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Well, they couldn't have had him die since he's still alive. I think for a guy like Sweat, a large number of years in solitary is a great punishment. He'll go insane. Although: Joyce's son actually does still support her to this day, so that part was accurate. It's kind of amazing that he does. I mean, she stole his real father from him! He didn't look THAT young when all that stuff went down so he should still have SOME memory of it. I thought it was a great ending. Matt being so awful made me sympathetic for Sweat, despite looking forward to both of them being caught after Episode 6. I have little doubt Sweat would've made it if he hadn't been slowed down by Matt (who made my skin crawl.) 18 miles in 2 days vs 20 miles in 21 days? Jesus. Looks like they were essentially just hanging out in the forest with Matt drunk while they were together.

Yes, my opinion. That's kind of why I said "I think." If you're trying to make me feel bad about having an opinion over a name, it's not going to happen. Let's move on to discussing the actual show, hm? I'm excited to watch the next episode, I haven't seen it yet. I DID see, however, Debra responding in a facebook group thread. She said some of her ex husbands were abusive and she left. She hasn't dated anyone else and won't until she "fixes her picker" which was encouraging.

You know you can get a life sentence for things other than murder, right? And that addiction can cause people to do things they would never EVER do while sober? You don't have to be a serial killer to get a 25 to life sentence. Hell, the three strikes law in California can get someone a life sentence for surprisingly little. I'm not saying it's the rule by any means, but not all people are beyond redemption. And I'm clearly not talking about serial killers. I think we can ALL agree that serial killers are irredeemable and should never see the light of day again. But serial killers are a very small percentage of prisoners.

I couldn't' agree more. I actually had to distract myself with my phone during Matt's scenes because it was so disturbing. I wouldn't have voluntarily watched a show about these protagonists had I known what horrible people they are/were. Plus, it changes the audience's perceptions in time for the manhunt so we can better empathize with the town.

Wait, what?

She really is an awful person and still shows absolutely NO remorse. She actually tried to say Sweat and Matt threatened to kill Lyle if she didn't help them escape which makes zero sense whatsoever. She's definitely a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

They're both serving life sentences so when you look at it that way, 5 years is a pretty short amount of time. Especially for Sweat, who seems pretty young. Me neither. She seems like a miserable person and while certain miserable people invite sympathy (such as poor Lyle) Tilly just comes across as a bad person with the way she treats everyone she's not getting something from. Her whining, petulance and meanness make her insides match the ugliness of her outsides.

He gives him very nice paintings in exchange for good treatment. Because it because pretty obvious he was banging Tilly. He lost his job and his cell.

You'd be surprised how much some lifers can change in prison. I've worked on appeals before and have gone to the prisons and met with them. Some of them are better than the people outside the walls.

Holy shit, I've never seen that before. That is UNCANNY. He's a hard nut to crack. I was surprised when Matt mentioned they were both lifers. I had assumed he just did something really dumb that earned him a relatively long sentence. The way he came at his mom on the phone showed us a little more, but it seems like he WANTS to do the right thing, he just doesn't have a strong enough will. It's hard to see him seeking out crime, you know? Looks like more of an opportunist criminal. But I haven't read anything on him or his past, I'm purely going off of the show.

At this point, I can't see him NOT being abusive. He's speaking to her as a child and literally TOOK HER FOOD AWAY WHILE SHE WAS EATING IT. Who DOES that??

Yeah about an hour before he snatches away your half eaten dinner because he doesn't approve of your answers to his dinnertime interrogation.

They're there to film their lives, not keep them from making stupid decisions. If the producers and cameramen on Intervention can record people literally shooting up on camera, I doubt any producer is going to feel a moral quandary about letting a bullheaded, naïve almost thirty year old give up her vCard to some dude she met in prison that happens to be a liar.

No way. They quoted her 385 JUST for the color, cut and blow dry. That's insane, especially for a strip mall salon. Notice the one lady looked at her hair, said "hmmm" and then looked at the other lady (probably silently conversing about what they could get away with) and then gave her the price. Reputable salons have prices posted for all services, they don't "quote" you. I go to a nice salon and get a curly deva cut and color. I'm in the chair for 2.5 hours, minimum. It's $160, not including tip. And it's not a cheap salon. Those women saw Clint's dumbass and those cameras and priced accordingly. I'm sure he paid way more than the 385 for the makeup, ect.

The women in that salon saw a sucker coming a mile away when Clint and the She Beast walked in those doors. They FLEECED them. That was not anywhere NEAR a $400 cut and color. And that dress? Clint might think everyone in that restaurant is jealous but they'll really be thinking "aw, the poor slow kid's friends finally bought him a hooker!" I also feel vindicated AF watching that dinner scene with Marcelino and his Real Live Doll. Because that's all she is to him. I hated that guy from jump and was ready to pull my hair out with every facebook post and podcaster saying how sweet and kind they thought he was. I knew he was a narcissistic, controlling abuser after listening to 3 minutes of him. That girl is WAY too good for him. I was so happy when she got up and walked away from him. What a douchebag.

Jesus Christ, there are some evil people in this world.

You're giving Teresa a LOT of credit here. She is not intelligent enough to even consider the possible implications from Jackie's statement, she was just mad that Jackie said anything about Joe's "situation" at all. Remember, this is the woman who won't even utter the word "prison." And I'm not sure what Teresa wanted Melissa to DO, anyway, as far as controlling Joe is concerned. Teresa has spoken with Joe directly about the issue a number of times, so is she expecting Melissa to do Teresa's bidding for her? I doubt it, since Teresa would never admit that Melissa is capable of doing something she's unable to do. Besides, Teresa has seen Joe blow up at her during these conversations without Melissa even being present so why is it suddenly Melissa's fault that Joe blew up at Teresa about the same situation? How would she "hype him up" about something he's ALREADY hyped up about? It's just absurd. Teresa hates Melissa and has always hated Melissa. That's really what it boils down to. The only time she'll even call Melissa family is when she expects Melissa to stand up for her or do her bidding. All other times Melissa is just "the girl my brother fucks." I really don't understand how anyone continues to buy her bullshit.

I still think it's a dumb name. There are a lot of people whose parents saddled them with dumb names out there. Doesn't make them any less dumb. Not that that's at all the point here. ;)

It probably went to show how Terra figured out Debra was back with John. She had to stay with her and notice her gone in the middle of the night.

If I got anything on that letterhead we would be instant BFFs

That girl is Poooiiiiiissssoooooooon! And I'm a middle aged white lady that drives a minivan.

And then had a full on photo shoot of HERSELF laying across the table dressed in that stupid Mad Hatter get up. That was the best!

Cynthia OWNED Eva in that walk-off. She is a striking woman, with or without sunglasses. I can't believe she's over fifty. She looks about a decade or two younger than "42" year old Marlo. I agree with you on Tanya and Nene. Nene has always been a hater with a viscous jealous streak. And the facial expressions. Good lord, does she even realize how absurd she looks? She looks like she's having a stroke. If anyone is a legend in their own mind, it's Ms. Leaks. I enjoyed this episode. While I don't care for Nene much, her and Porsha do crack me up together. When Nene screamed "push!" and Porsha, without missing a beat, starts squatting like she was giving birth I died. They're hilarious together. Porsha has grown on me maybe even more than Kelly Dodd from OC. I find her delightful and I'm so happy she's getting everything she's wanted. Yeah but when someone is telling them they don't' really want your help you don't continue telling them how awful they look, humiliating them on camera, making them feel bad and steamrolling them to "help" them. Marlo was being obnoxious (as usual.)

EXACTLY. I can't STAND Marlo, she's all kinds of awful. She's a tired old prostitute (if she's 42 like she claims, then I'm 12) who likes to carry on like she's Princess Grace. It's beyond tired. There's a reason she's been nothing but a "friend of" for over a decade now. She's all talk. There's a big difference between being a wife and a whore. I didn't realize darker skinned people are never successful in the music industry. Learn a new thing every day.

I'm guessing the whole "fiancé" part of the K1 visa is interpreted pretty loosely. I doubt the embassy is going to request video documentation of the actual proposal.