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Yours alone wasn't bad but there were quite a few posts disparaging the poor girl's looks (or her sisters' and cousin's.) Just opining why a minor child wouldn't want to be filmed for a reality show. People can be assholes online. Disclaimer: not referring to anyone specifically HERE. No need to report me.

I totally agree. It's gross. I don't know what makes her think being subservient to her husband and being treated as chattel by her own parents with respect to marriage is something to brag about. Brainwashing is a powerful thing, I suppose.

Yay someone else who doesn't like Delores!! I've never really liked her. She doesn't seem that bright, she's a mindless foot soldier for people she considers friends (her backing up all of Siggy's crazy antics last season was too much) to the point where she can't look at any of their actions objectively, she's misogynistic (I mean, most of the Jersey wives are, but her even more so) and just pathetic when it comes to her personal relationships. I might actually dislike her more than Tre and that's saying a LOT.

This argument from housewives makes me crazy. No one "came for" Jennifer's kids, that's completely absurd. She did not say one negative thing about those children. Not ONE. That's on the same level with Tre claiming Jackie "attacked her family" by saying that if Teresa could control Joe he wouldn't be in jail. Falsely accusing someone of doing something highly inflammatory in order to justify your anger is an underhanded way of creating drama that these housewives excel at. If the other person (that you already dislike) did something that wasn't really that big of a deal but pisses you off because you hate them anyway, you just ramp it up and act like they did something objectively awful that anyone would be upset at. So Jackie says "this mother gives her kids everything. What can she do to ensure they stay the adorable, sweet kids they are now?" Jennifer then tells everyone "Jackie ATTACKED MY KIDS!!" I can't even take someone seriously when they start playing that game.

All I can hope is that the rest of the cast are as obnoxious to Jennifer on that trip as she was to Marge's poor friend on the ranch.

And we wonder why poor Gabrielle wants to avoid the cameras...

I see you're confused. Let me help you out. The rules don't apply to Tre. For example, SHE can speak about other people's husbands, but no one can talk about hers. SHE can attack family mercilessly (see: Wakiles and Gorgas) but those family members had better be loyal to HER. SHE can yell and threaten people, but you'd best never raise your voice or be disrespectful to HER. Capice?

I think my comment is being taken out of context a bit. When I made my comment about online dating, it was in response to a poster talking about her friend who is often overlooked by women because of his looks and style. I responded that online dating is helpful in avoiding writing someone off based on looks alone without getting to know their personality at all first.

LOL. Point taken.

I mean, come to think of it, we've never really seen Cynthia eat, unless you count the frozen grapes she puts in her gigantic glasses of wine as ice. So maybe she doesn't know how to actually prepare food for people that eat. ;) As for the Italian mom thing, fuck THAT. If I was dating some dude whose mommy came over to clean and cook for him, I'd be out. What kind of misogynistic bullshit is THAT?

That's so crazy. Those are the easiest things to fix! Anyone can get a new wardrobe and I honestly believe the more you like someone's personality the more attractive they become to you. For me, at least, a man becomes 100% more attractive to me if he can make me laugh. That's why I'm a fan of online dating. Get to know the person a little bit before actually meeting them in person. That's how I met my husband, 10 years ago. Still bitter we didn't get on one of those Match.com commercials. We've got 2 match.com babies!

I listened to an interview with her on the True Crime podcast and she was genuinely impressed, as I believe any person would be. What he did was impressive. As someone stated upthread, it's possible to be both horrified and impressed at the same time. I think Sweat would have remained under the radar for quite some time if he didn't have the human albatross Matt weighing him down. I think he undoubtedly would've made it to Canada. They travelled 20 miles in 21 days together and Sweat travelled 18 miles in 2 days alone. That says everything you need to know. I think Sweat's crimes were more dumb kid probably hopped up on drugs derived. He was 35 when he got caught and did 12 years in prison without so much as an infraction for bad behavior as opposed to Matt, who I believe was a genuine psychopath who committed crimes just to commit crimes. I think that Sweat genuinely did not want to go back to prison and would've found some way to stay on the straight and narrow well under the radar for many years had be been alone. Does that mean he should have? Of course not. But I think he would have, had Matt not been there.

It was actually a good thing that he ran since the prosecutor told him they could only get him for possession (that was before he ran, right?) So once he ran they could get him for escape, fleeing an officer, battery on an officer and threats against and officer. That's likely what landed him in prison vs. county for a short stint. I do agree with you on the race issue, tho. I'm a public defender and while I don't have a ton of black clients, I have quite a few Latino clients. The differences in how they're treated is staggering. Whenever one of my black clients asks me why they were pulled over or stopped I look them dead in the eye and tell them "because you're a black man/woman in_____ county. That's the truth. Please trust that I will never lie to you." And I won't.

I'm not going to go into detail because we're not supposed to discuss the podcast in this thread but just know that's not actually how her taking the money out went down.

While I agree with the spirit of your post, I don't think anyone is saying John Meehan shouldn't have been punished because Deb was stupid or that Deb deserved (well, the ultimate crime wasn't even against her) what happened. I think people are just saying that it's hard to feel SORRY for her because she refused to protect herself and her family from this psychopath, despite multiple people practically screaming at her that he was dangerous. Just like if someone rapes a child murderer in prison. The rapist should still be punished, yes, but no one is crying out "poor poor Mr. Child Murderer!"

Putting this in spoiler tags because I don't think we're supposed to discuss the podcast in the show episode threads: She was making it look like she hadn't read the letter before giving it to John

I vote for stupidest (above marrying him and going back to him.) You know you're with a dangerous psychopath drug addict. You're being super careful in planning to leave, resealing envelopes, wearing wigs, carefully withdrawing money, ect. So why would you tell him you want a divorce at night, alone, WHILE STANDING IN THE CLOSET, IN WHICH HE IS BLOCKING THE ONLY EXIT? Jesus, Debra. She is the stupidest intelligent businesswoman I've ever seen.

At least your friend knows how to do laundry if he ever had to. ;) So true. Nene, like Marlo, thinks everyone needs her advice about everything, because her life is so awesome. I really don't get how Marlo is supposed to be some fashionista. Every time I see her, she looks like a tacky ol heifer past her prime. Oh wait, I forgot she's only 42. :D

Right? Nene would be the LAST person I would call for parenting advice. Her boys are fat and lazy. I don't think anyone is saying doing your kids' laundry makes you a lesser person. There is something to be said, however, for ensuring your kid has basic life skills before leaving home like being able to do laundry, cook a meal, pay a bill, ect. Sending your kid out into the world not knowing how to do any of these basic tasks isn't doing them any favors. I don't think it's an Italian thing, either. I'm Italian and I not only did my own laundry growing up, I did my parents as well.

Yeah, that one got some serious side eye from me. I'm sympathetic to Noelle, I spent the first semester of my freshman year on the phone with my mom begging her to let me come home or switch schools or SOMETHING before I finally met some friends in my dormitory and never looked back, but demanding everyone leave is a bit much. Cynthia is doing that child no favors by coddling her and giving in to her every demand. At least she's got Leon to keep her grounded. I can't believe Nene brought Marlo dress shopping with Eva ESPECIALLY given how much shade Marlo had been throwing towards Eva with respect to fashion. That's just mean. Nene can be such a bitch.

What a scumbag, taking time off of work to help his mother in law recover from surgery for a few days! That guy is a real creep!

Well, he's not being paid for that project, so I assume he's doing it on his downtime. Considering his lack of downtime, it would be a safe assumption that he works quite a bit. I believe all the men on this show work. Just because they're not filmed physically working doesn't mean they don't have jobs or clients.

Way too many bridesmaids for anyone, in my humble opinion. Everyone I know who has had super large wedding parties (admittedly few people) have lived to regret it. I think anything over 4 just becomes too many people to juggle and is just for show at that point. My husband and I had one attendant each and it was perfect. This episode just made me hate Jennifer even more. She's such a little snot and really does think she's better than everyone else. It's fine to be proud of your culture but you don't have to put down others in order to show that pride. Honey, you're not convincing anyone that arranged marriages are a good thing people should strive for. Give me a break. Danielle is THE WORST. I really thought her antics were just for the show but according to an interview I listened to with Margaret, she was like that even when the cameras weren't there. She's just a nasty piece of work. Color me confused about how she ended up with such lovely daughters. I can't believe Marty bought that "it was just a test!" line from Joe. He didn't even say it that convincingly! Heh. I do like the two Joe's together and really like Margaret's Joe. He seems like a genuinely good guy who adores his wife (without humping her leg 24/7 like the other Joe.) Where did you get that he doesn't work from? He's a general contractor, like Joe Gorga.

There's a great podcast about this show by the creators an two episodes featured an interview with Ms. Lehey Scott. You should check it out. It's called Real Crime Profile.

He was also really young, I believe in his very early twenties. Shit, his brain wasn't even fully developed yet. He was 35 when he broke out. Matt was completely irredeemable and I'm glad he's dead. I believe, like others have said, Sweat wasn't beyond redemption. I'm a public defender. Our cut off is 2K a month or owning any property. However, we get appointed on people that don't qualify all the time, subject to fees. Usually when someone won't retain private counsel claiming they can't afford it (despite assets showing otherwise) and the judge doesn't want to deal with them in pro per status.. It kind of pisses me off. My boss once made me represent another attorney who was busted for DUI while driving an expensive rental sportscar. I was not amused. Being forced to represent people that can clearly afford private counsel directly steals resources from those that really can't (a good chunk of my clients are legitimately homeless.) I've gotten into arguments more than a few times with people claiming destitution and demanding I represent them who earn more annually than I do. People have a lot of nerve.