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Can someone tell these nitwits that they don't need to have a child with every dingbat they date for any period of time? Christ, they're children, not parting prizes! Between Kail, Javi and Jenelle, they could form a football team with all of their dating trophies. And this episode didn't endear me to Babs at all. She is so desperate for a relationship with her daughter, she's willing to just tell her anything she wants to hear to appease her. People have said it before and it still rings true: she values her relationship with Jenelle over her grandchildrens' well being. My heart broke for poor little Aubree. Adam is a piece of shit. Thank goodness Aubree has a strong, loving support system at home and thank god for Cole. I know Chelsea has her share of critics when it comes to "replacing" Adam with Cole but Aubree is old enough to see what's going on and form her own opinions. She knows Cole is there and Adam is not. I hope karma slaps Adam in the face in the most brutal way possible. I also have to give it up to Chelsea for keeping her cool and letting Aubree process what happened. Considering I was in tears watching it at home and don't even know these people, I probably would've put a hit out on that scumbag by now. Kail continues to be a selfish bitch. Briana continues to be dumb and look like a deer in headlights behind her coke bottle glasses. Can someone please give that girl an oil absorbing face mask?

As to your last paragraph, I totally agree and get that. I'm a defense attorney so I'm naturally always formulating arguments to show why someone isn't free to leave with respect to Miranda. The standard isn't whether or not a person COULD leave, it's whether or not a reasonable person would FEEL FREE to leave. I don't think a reasonable person, under those circumstances, would think they could just say "I'm leaving" get up and try to walk out. I think we agree on more than it appears. :)

Yeah, there's actually a picture out there with the real Terra in the hospital with the dog on her bed. It's really sweet.

This is an important piece of information. While I firmly believe Terra would have been considered to be in custody for purposes of Miranda (I also know a little bit about this, given it's my profession) if the police honestly did not suspect her of any wrong doing at the time of questioning, they wouldn't need to Mirandize her. Miranda should be used when someone is subject to a custodial interrogation, which is a line of questioning designed to illicit an incriminating response. If that officer knew Terra had been attacked by John and was defending herself, then no, Miranda wouldn't be an issue. But people have been prosecuted for assault and murder when the self defense goes beyond what would be reasonably necessary to defend ones self. Remember, Terra and Deb still had to wait to see if Terra was going to be prosecuted. So if that cop hadn't Mirandized her and the DA decided she went too far in defending herself (which never would have happened, but let's just go for the sake of argument) and wanted to use the statements she made in that hospital room (such as her belief in "kill or be killed"), she'd be shit out of luck.

Not to nitpick but Terra was absolutely in custody for purposes of Miranda at that point. She was not free to walk out of that hospital until she was discharged. And we don't know if she was detained or not at that point, I'm guessing she was. Before a line of questioning like that, she absolutely should have been Mirandized. At the time of questioning someone had been brutally assaulted and was on life support at the hands of someone else. That, by itself, creates reasonable suspicion that a crime has occurred independent of whether an affirmative defense to that possible crime might exist. So we have a person who put someone else in the hospital on life support. That person is now a patient at the hospital and has not been discharged. There is a police officer at her bedside asking her questions about the incident. That is a textbook situation that would require her Miranda rights being read if for no other reason that to cover the officer's ass. Yeah but that's not how the law works. I disagree with that other poster for reasons stated below.

Terra might present like she's 12 but she's an adult. Her mother did not have to be present for questioning as if she were a juvenile. Police question people in the hospital after accidents every day. I do wonder if she mirandized her first, tho. That definitely should've happened.

I'm curious what they're going to do next season. Pick another podcast? Another true story? A totally fictionalized account? Is it going to be like a True Detective type thing where each season is a totally different story with different characters (and hopefully won't suck as much ass as that show did in it's second season?)

No worries, I'm not offended. I listened to the podcast (highly recommend, although Deb and her daughters' voices will drive you nuts) and the show actually did a great job at staying true to the story.

If the standard for "true story" episodes is everything is 100% true, nothing short of a surveillance video would suffice. The disclaimer on the actual show is what we should go on, not a sensationalized commercial.

The main reason I still loathe Debra. Even after everything that happened she can't face the reality that she was being conned. She still insists it was some great love story that just took a bad turn. She refuses to accept that he was likely never in love with her at all. She's completely delusional.

She probably got it from the podcast. Debra was VERY breathy and giggly throughout the whole thing. It was infuriating, given the ultimate conclusion of the story.

Well, they can interview people other than John, such as the cops who questioned him, the women he talked to online, the other people he interacted with ect. Just because they can't talk to him doesn't mean everything is completely made up. By that logic, you can't take anything Debra or the family say at face value either because John's not there to verify. Also, it's based on a true story, it's not a documentary. Some editorializing is to be expected. I liked this episode. I always like when shows and movies "rewind" and go over the same events from someone else's perspective. I don't think that's ever a waste.

As soon as people stop saying "so and so could care less." If they COULD care less, it means they DO care. Think about it. And "such and such is the worse." What does that even mean? It's the WORST. Ah hem. I feel better now. Carry on.

Because they spend their lives being brainwashed by misogynists to believe that living in a misogynistic house is a good thing.

I believe it was a set up by Kandi's crew. Kandi hasn't STFU about Dennis and her friend that dated him. What are the odds that Kandi's crew member who has gotten into beefs with Porsha before would just happen to be cruising around the same area of the venue at the party that Dennis and Porsha are at with said friend? That's just too much of a coincidence for me. I'm sure Porsha did freak out, but Kandi knew what was going down beforehand.

Institutionalization is a very real thing. It appears that Matt has spent the vast majority of his life in one institution or another, from the time he was a child. It's literally all he knows. Remember Dom from last season? He was in Canada and was required to stay in a halfway house for a year upon release. Apparently Canada takes reintegration into society much more seriously than we do here. Here, you just get taken in a van and "released into the community" at some random location. There are no steps taken to aid you in reintegration. So someone who has spent a significant amount of time incarcerated is much more likely than not to wind up right back in prison because they literally don't know how to function outside of prison walls. It's a very real and very sad phenomenon. But Matt is a tool. It also doesn't look like he's had any sort of treatment for his raging addition, either. You can not be physically dependent on a substance anymore but still be a raging addict, like Matt. No treatment + no fear of going back inside = start a betting pool on how long it'll be before his next arrest.

That's why Scott spend a bunch more money on a lawyer and she spent an extra year in jail, remember? She was caught with drugs and cell phones.

Nitpick: she's not on probation or parole. She was in federal prison.

While I agree there's quite a bit of disparity with respect to the way people are treated in the criminal justice system based on their race, I'm sure that's far from the only factor here. Being tried as an adult at 15 is not common. The prosecution would have to justify that decision and they'd have to give more reasoning than the color of his skin. I'm guessing he earned it. I don't think anyone would disagree with you. Brock Turner, anyone?

I don't feel bad for her. Doesn't she have like, 2-3 nannies? So how much time is she ACTUALLY spending with those kids between the hours they spend in school and the hours they're with the nannies? Now I totally get choosing to pick your battles and bribing your kids, my husband and I have similar discussions (I'm of the pick your battle camp while he seems to choose Every Single Battle) but that's more of something that happens when you're worn down after spending hours upon hours with your kids, not when you're seeing them for the one hour a day they're not with the nanny. Plus, you saw her on the phone with her daughter. The minute the daughter started crying (which you know wasn't genuine given how quickly she stopped once she got what she wanted) her first response was "I'll buy you something." It wasn't a last resort, it's just the way she handles any discontent from her kids. She's teaching them to fill any void in their life with material things, which is how she herself lives. Her days are spent shopping for Chanel and convincing herself that being treated as less than a man in her culture is a good thing. A guilded cage is still a cage. Now, if she admitted that her life is less than ideal that would be one thing. But the woman gloats non-stop and seems to be on some kind of mission to convince the world that going back in time a few centuries with respect to how women are treated would be a GOOD thing. It's gross.

I mean, would you wanna hang out with Jennifer and those five screechy children on your day off? It looked like a curling iron burn to me.

It totally is. I listened to a podcast interview with her. I actually liked her a lot more afterwards, when I realized that's just who she is, she's not putting on a show with the cameras.

How so, though? The only thing she said about the kids was that they were sweet and Jen buys them a lot of gifts. How is that involving them "in an inappropriate way"? She writes a parenting column. Anything she writes is going to mention kids in some way, so it can't really be inappropriate by way of mentioning them at all. I DO agree with you that the article was shady and Jackie knew exactly what she was doing writing it. I just don't think she was insulting or attacking her kids in any way, which is my issue with Jen's reaction.

You need to watch Love After Lockup. There are whole websites where inmates post personal ads to "meet people" (aka: find more suckers to scam.)

All you need to do to answer that question is to look at his relationship with his ex-wife Tonia. Debra is THE WORST. She's as vapid as they come.