Hoarders - General Discussion

[atlantaloves]

I don't suppose it ever occurred to Kevin to throw out his sex toys and porn before being on national television? Oh no, that might require actually lifting something and walking outside to put it in the trash. Oh Please, these people are killing me. Hey old people, throw out your porn now, so your family or friends don't have to see it if you die! I tell you, I'm old, and my stuff is long gone. Ha. 

[JunkFoodTV]

2 hours ago, PrincessPurrsALot said:

This one frustrated me when they first showed it and again today.  Kevin said many times he did not want his family cleaning the section of the living room where they then found porn.  He was okay with having the cleaners help, just not his family.   He then was berated by his sister for having porn near his Bible.  Like, yeah, in that enormous mess, that's your big problem?  Is there anything they thought he would treat as sacred? 

Then the next day, after he's already learned that they (that is, the show and family) are not going to listen to him when he says he does not want his family members to participate in any part of the cleanup that would uncover his porn, etc., Dr. Chabot says he must have wanted them to find it.  Then the family shames him on national TV.  

He said "no", and they overrode him repeatedly.  What more was he supposed to do? He could have said something more explicit beforehand, but, with the crews there that was asking a 

ALL of this. I was furious at this show. He's a grown ass man. He can have porn, he can say "no", and everyone else can STFU. I actually felt sorry for Kevin. And I never feel sorry for the hoarder.

[JudyObscure]

1 hour ago, atlantaloves said:

I don't suppose it ever occurred to Kevin to throw out his sex toys and porn before being on national television? Oh no, that might require actually lifting something and walking outside to put it in the trash. Oh Please, these people are killing me. Hey old people, throw out your porn now, so your family or friends don't have to see it if you die! I tell you, I'm old, and my stuff is long gone. Ha. 

Good advice. There's even a word for it! Döstädning, which means "death cleaning" in Swedish.  I read a  cute book about it last year, it's a big decluttering you do when you realize you're old enough to have that stroke any day now and you don't want your grandchildren finding your special sexy undies or even just journals or knick knacks that are personal to you and no one else.

[Minivanessa]

I wasn't angry at the show over the sex toy discovery. But I'm not all into shaming Kevin over it, either. 

I agree that one sister overreacted when they dug out that stuff in his bedroom. For all I know, it was just the last straw during a stressful situation, and she lost her shit at that point. Maybe in a less pressured situation she'd have been calmer about that stuff. The show said that she and Kevin made up over the whole thing the next day. I admit I wasn't watching all that closely, just saw them telling Kevin, we're going upstairs, are you okay with that, and him saying fine. And not mentioning, oh yeah, you'll see some stuff when you start going through the piles. 

These were members of a family in a high pressure situation. Kevin was a hoarder, in very bad health, and heaven knows what all the family history and dynamics were with his sisters. Everybody, including Kevin, could have handled that situation about his private pleasure toys better. At least everybody managed to get the main floor of his house cleaned up, with a bed on the main floor, so that he could move home, and I assume, have health care visitors as needed. 

But about the other case on that episode, Ben and Robin? If you can die from stubborn assholery, that will be (or maybe is) on their death certificates. I finally was almost yelling at the TV to their daughter: "Forget trying to fix this! You can't fix your parents, after all their years of hoarding. And your brother is an ungrateful *ss. Spend your money on therapy, and a nice relaxing cruise. Let those miserable sick people fester in their miserable hoarded house because nobody's getting them out of there alive."

[JunkFoodTV]

21 hours ago, Jeeves said:

And your brother is an ungrateful *ss. 

I really thought we might get out first 600 lb life/hoarders crossover!

[JudyObscure]

Betty from Marysville, Ohio.  Not far from me I was tempted to drive by and gawk.

She may be the very worst. one for me.  Betty talking about her children, "Got along without you before I met you, going to get along without you now." Even though she's not shy about letting us know she doesn't like her kids she still managed to hang out at her grown son's enough to hoard his house so that his children were removed.  

This is a "Where are they now?" episode and St Dorothy finds everything returned to it's original mess. Her daughter says is took about a month.  Her other daughter lives with her and copies some hoarding tendencies, but she has schizophrenia and would no doubt appreciate a calmer, less visually noisy environment.

[enoughcats]

3 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

so that his children were removed.

I will admit that I used to think that removing children from their families was a bad thing.  The older I get, the more I grow to dislike certain fellow human beings and when I see children were removed, I'm a whole lot less judgmental about government interfering.  

Different thoughts:

 

One of our local TV shows had a local special interest story about a sweet old lady who collected dolls. Dolls all well kept but crowded together like a rock concert on every available flat surface and lots of sitting surfaces. I couldn't call her a hoarder, because there was order and cleanliness.

But that left me wondering how she could collect that many things to love, but still control her life.  And what makes others lose control, never to regain it?  Thoughts? 

[CrazyInAlabama]

I read Matt Paxton's book, and others who deal with hoarders, and a clean hoarder is right up there with the others.     Plus if you take the hoard out, there almost have to be vermin hiding there too.    

There was a retired school teacher on one of the hoarder shows, maybe named Dorothy?    She had a neat hoard, seemed really interested in cleaning up her nicely packed hoard.   However, at the end she donate less than 10 storage boxes of her hoard, and got rid of nothing.     

Edited March 2, 2020 by CrazyInAlabama

[enoughcats]

Sad story from California and comments that think that mental health workers can make a difference.

[CrazyInAlabama]

 

Just like anyone on this show, if they don't accept they have a problem, and want help, then they will not change, or heal.      That's one reason I'm glad the last season of Hoarders was apparently the last.    Because those hoarders were extremely ill, and even the last episode (with the brothers or cousins) supposedly was a success, but I see no hope for permanent change.      

Over all of the episodes of this show, I think there were only a few that were actually helped.  

Edited March 4, 2020 by CrazyInAlabama

[mamadrama]

23 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

I read Matt Paxton's book, and others who deal with hoarders, and a clean hoarder is right up there with the others.     Plus if you take the hoard out, there almost have to be vermin hiding there too.    

There was a retired school teacher on one of the hoarder shows, maybe named Dorothy?    She had a neat hoard, seemed really interested in cleaning up her nicely packed hoard.   However, at the end she donate less than 10 storage boxes of her hoard, and got rid of nothing.     

I belong to a Children of Hoarders support group and we talk about this all the time. Hoarding is a physical manifestation of a mental ilness. Even with a clean hoard you're still dealing with all the psychological stuff. My mom might not have garbage in her floor, but she still acts just as bad as the others who do. 

[Dianaofthehunt]

If I could wave a magic wand, I would make (almost all) of these houses burn to the ground, with nothing but fine ash left behind. This is my desire.

[JudyObscure]

In the midst of the pandemic I keep thinking of our hoarders.  Don't you figure they're feeling all justified and "I told you so," right now?  While the rest of us can't get to the stores for zippers and plastic purses, they have everything they need.  Not for them to run out of yogurt when they have a whole refrigerator full of it in the basement!  And who needs toilet paper when you have stacks of adult diapers on hand.

I'll bet they're just rolling in schadenfreude, gloating over how much we would like to have some of their old VHS tapes to watch. (I kind of would, actually.)

I'll admit I had an afternoon when I was tempted to ask my hoarder neighbor if I could borrow one of her many old sewing machines to make masks, but I knew she would probably come along and watch to make sure I didn't hurt it somehow.

[AZChristian]

5 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

In the midst of the pandemic I keep thinking of our hoarders.  Don't you figure they're feeling all justified and "I told you so," right now?  While the rest of us can't get to the stores for zippers and plastic purses, they have everything they need. 

Yes, they have it all.  But they still can't FIND any of it.  And if/when they do, it'll be covered with mold and mouse feces.

[camom]

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Yes, they have it all.  But they still can't FIND any of it.  And if/when they do, it'll be covered with mold and mouse feces.

But they can wash it, or put it out in the sun to sterilize it, don't ya know.

 

[atlantaloves]

Camon: thank you, you made my afternoon. God, I remember that crazy hoarder so well.  she literally flicked either a mouse or a bug off something she was eating out of a plastic container, remember?  I did get a free package of t.p. from one of my hoardet friends though, and I didn't even have to ask.  I was shocked, shocked I tell you. 

[BooksRule]

I just caught the episode with BG & Lee. They were the ones who were on the verge of a divorce but were staying together because they lived in that million-dollar Victorian home in San Francisco and would lose it if they split up for good. I never really wanted to live in that type of home myself, but I appreciate the beauty of them and it hurt my heart to see how they had hoarded it up and how it was showing the signs of neglect (on the inside--the outside still looked pretty good).  I also wondered what the neighbors thought when they saw stuff being brought outside (or when they saw the episode on TV).  Did they know it was that bad?  (I'm sure they knew there was some type of hoarding going on since the backyard seemed pretty full.)  It would be bad enough to have a hoarder for a neighbor in a rural area or even in the suburbs, but these neighbors live about 6 inches away from each other. I would love to see a follow-up to their story.  Before the crew even left, BG was looking at the one room and hallway that they had cleaned out (both which--although clean--seemed pretty full of furniture to me) and commenting on how 'sparse' and 'bare' they looked and that she would have to bring some precious items back in to fill in the 'empty space'.  Yeeks!  Since this aired in 2012, I wonder if they are still together or if they lost the house and went their separate ways (both now hoarding up new spaces). I didn't like either one of them and their constant bickering made me want to smack them both (Dr. Zazio has very good self-control).

On the other hand, Chris (the one who hoarded up his apartment and five storage units with electronics-type stuff) was just kind of sad.  He was so focused on handling everything that needed to go that it was very frustrating, but he didn't get angry or throw fits and he actually was getting help at the end.  (And his apartment looked pretty good at the end.) 

Edited May 17, 2020 by BooksRule
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[enoughcats]

https://www.distractify.com/p/what-happened-louise-hoarders

A followup on Louise who had 'beautiful things' two apartments, numerous storage units and no money to pay the rent on any of them. 

We saw on a followup that she'd moved into a sparse apartment.  That sort of worked for a while.  Then (according to the above) serious health problem , homelessness, and now waiting for an opening in a senior center.....

[OoogleEyes]

Hoarders is now on Netflix. I'm watching "Linda" the woman who peed and pooped in cups. St. Dorothy was the cleaning person. Why they didn't just burn that joint to the ground I'll never know 

I haven't watched this show in a while  and it's bringing back fun (ha!) memories of the original Hoarders board and the nicknames we gave everyone. Perfect entertainment for this rainy day!

Edited May 22, 2020 by OoogleEyes
Memmmmries!

[Minivanessa]

5 minutes ago, OoogleEyes said:

Hoarders is now on Netflix. I'm watching "Linda" the woman who peed and pooped in cups. St. Dorothy was the cleaning person. Why they didn't just burn that joint to the ground I'll never know 

Netflix seems to have only a handful of episodes. Last night I started watching the one with Patti (I think), the woman who'd hoarded up THREE houses. But I just couldn't stick with it. I've developed a low tolerance for viewing so much dysfunction. I have to be in the right head space for it, and last night I just wasn't. 

[AZChristian]

1 hour ago, OoogleEyes said:

Hoarders is now on Netflix. I'm watching "Linda" the woman who peed and pooped in cups. St. Dorothy was the cleaning person. Why they didn't just burn that joint to the ground I'll never know 

I haven't watched this show in a while  and it's bringing back fun (ha!) memories of the original Hoarders board and the nicknames we gave everyone. Perfect entertainment for this rainy day!

"Peed and pooped in cups" IN FRONT OF HER GRANDCHILDREN.  And then insisted she went to the laundromat and spent $40 a week to make sure the kids had clean clothes to wear to school.  

Interesting that there was a washer and dryer IN THE HOUSE that she couldn't get to because of the hoard.  The kids knew they were dirty and smelled.  Dr. Fazio even said she could smell the house from the street.

Linda was a lying piece of s**t who wanted what she wanted when she wanted it.  Nothing mattered to her except going out to buy more junk.  Did she have mental issues?  Sure.  But her daughter (the kids' mother) in jail wanted CPS to leave the kids in that hell hole until she could get out of jail and take care of them.  

At the end of the show, when the "what happened after" info came up on the screen, they said that Linda had moved back into the house, and "cleaned every day."

Sure, Jan.

[OoogleEyes]

5 hours ago, Jeeves said:

Netflix seems to have only a handful of episodes. Last night I started watching the one with Patti (I think), the woman who'd hoarded up THREE houses. But I just couldn't stick with it. I've developed a low tolerance for viewing so much dysfunction. I have to be in the right head space for it, and last night I just wasn't. 

Oh wow, that entire family was such a frickin mess. Those sisters! Especially the oldest one. Cory and Dr. Zasio deserve sainthood for this one 

Edited May 22, 2020 by OoogleEyes

[CrazyInAlabama]

They're showing some reruns this morning.    I have seen them before, but it's still amazing how the person who claim they want help, turn on everyone the second they find out they can't keep everything.     

Teri the nurse in Hawaii is awful.   At least Dr. Zasio tried to call the CPS authorities about the kids living in that disgusting hoard.   I doubt they ever did anything to help the kids, and the husband just sits there and does nothing to help his own children.  

[Claire85]

Sandra’s episode is on A&E now. Whew. Those homeowners were so kind and patient with her. I know she’s ill, but I just could not feel sorry for her, she was so mean. She’s telling Matt she decorates houses all over the world. Sure, Jan. 

[CrazyInAlabama]

Yes, the TV show coming in, and Sandra being allowed back (she had finally been evicted by the very patient buyers) was the economical way to clear the house out.   Poor Luther (the very kind man helping with clean up) died after this was filmed. 

Sandra is so mean, and delusional.   I've noticed that Sandra isn't the only one that claims someone broke in, dumped things in the house, and stole her valuable stuff.    (The after story that the producers did said Sandra was in a trailer on someone's property, told to leave, and the brothers found her a rented room to stay in.   Her dogs were given a good home by her brothers).   

[FormerMod-a1]

From Cory's FB.. 

In case you can't see the link

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Hoarders TV Show is accepting applications right now for more shows! If you know someone with an ENORMOUS hoard (mansions, multiple properties, large land hoards, etc.), have them apply soon as we already have a few selected.
https://hoardingcleanup.com/hoarders_tv_show. New shows should be airing soon, and I will post the air dates as soon as we know.

 

[atlantaloves]

hey fellow neat freaks, Hoarders can also be found on the free streaming channel Tubi. 

[Guest]

11 hours ago, aquarian1 said:

From Cory's FB.. 

In case you can't see the link

 

Great news! But I'm reminded that Cory posted something similar back in May 2019 and there hasn't been a single new show since. 

 

[FormerMod-a1]

I know.  It does take quite some time to film and edit.  I know prior seasons took nearly a year to do so.  Now throw covid into the mix and I'm sure that's creating a gap, too.  But I still want to see new episodes now!  🙂 

[FormerMod-a1]

We have a date!  July 20!

 

[Guest]

53 minutes ago, aquarian1 said:

We have a date!  July 20!

 

[CrazyInAlabama]

The Hoarders from that last season a couple of years ago, were all beyond help.     I'm hoping that none of the people this season are totally beyond help, and fight the process, but I think they'll show anything for ratings.     I'm not sure I'm watching any new episodes, 

I'm tired of relatives, or neighbors of the hoarders getting dragged through to show how shocked they are.  I'm also tired of endless extensions by local authorities to clean out properties, and how bad that is for the people who live around them.    I don't see anything actually helping the hoarders either.   I think the mental health pros are just there to keep the filming going, since they aren't licensed to treat in all states, and hoarding isn't treatable anyway.    Sometimes the mental issue is not hoarding / OCD, and others can be treated, but not hoarding.    

I know from reading articles, and books about hoarding, that it seldom is treatable, and hoarders simply don't want to change either.    Most of the episodes I've watched, the hoarder has had repeated clean outs before the televised one, and often have had previous houses condemned.    Hoarding is something they go right back to.   I'm betting a lot of the hoarders store items, and then can rebuild the hoard quickly.   

Edited July 2, 2020 by CrazyInAlabama

[FormerMod-a1]

Matt Paxton is back this season.  Whoo hoo!

 

[JudyObscure]

On 7/1/2020 at 4:49 PM, CrazyInAlabama said:

I know from reading articles, and books about hoarding, that it seldom is treatable, and hoarders simply don't want to change either.    Most of the episodes I've watched, the hoarder has had repeated clean outs before the televised one, and often have had previous houses condemned.    Hoarding is something they go right back to.   I'm betting a lot of the hoarders store items, and then can rebuild the hoard quickly.   

That's true and I remember reading about one city that had been forcing hoarders to clean up and then had to stop because the hoarders were killing themselves, they felt so exposed and lonely without their stuff.  It truly is incurable in lots of cases.

I like the shows where they seem to  catch people before they are too far gone.  Ones who  simply became overwhelmed with the mess during a bad period of life.

I'd like to see a few things just for fun: 

   A huge yard sale for one of those hoarders who claims all his stuff is worth a lot of money.

   Someone forced to clean  and repair all the junk that just needed to be cleaned or painted or laid out in the sun.

   Some of the artists or crafters or fabric collectors forced to make things out of all the stuff they've saved for the purpose.

   Shelves put up through out a house like in a library for one of the hoarders who doesn't want to throw anything out but just wants it all     organized.

   A hoarder emptied out  by the show, then followed on speed camera as she re-hoards.

   All the "gifts" actually given to the friends and family.

 

[CrazyInAlabama]

I don't remember which hoarders show it was on, but there was a retired doctor (Neurologist, or Neurosurgeon?) that claimed everything in his huge house was priceless to collectors.   He put a lot at auction, and it brought in very little.     Then Sandra of the mansion bought by the two men, and the show had an auction house that came in, went through the rooms they could get to, and collected items for auction.   It brought about $14,000 and that's it.         The funny thing to me about a hoarder's yard sale, would be the other hoarders that would show up.    

Matt Paxton's business is one that helps heirs with their late relatives house, with cleaning out, looking for valuables to sell, finds lost accounts, cleans out the house, and arranges for the sales.   Then the heirs get the proceeds, but don't have to cope with clearing out tons of junk, and 'collectibles'.       People just don't accept that the Hummels, and other stuff they spent thousands of dollars collecting are virtually worthless.   All of the China, and crystal, and other items that people thought they had to have, and their heirs would love, are simply not worth much now, and I don't know anyone that got stuck with the older China and glasses that wanted it.  

What I hate about the show is that the relatives are dragged back to the hoard, and browbeaten into cooperating with the show, because they're promised that this clean out will be different.       I don't think a single person that was a real hoarder ever cleaned up, and kept things clean.     I'm not sure I can watch this any longer.    The last season they had a couple of years ago, was only a few episodes, but those people were beyond help, or even wanting help.    

What I resent most are the therapists, that only are on the show to keep the participants filming.   When a relative tries to quit helping, then there goes the therapist trying to guilt them into continuing.    

 

Edited July 5, 2020 by CrazyInAlabama

[MoldySpiceGirl]

On 7/1/2020 at 1:49 PM, CrazyInAlabama said:

I know from reading articles, and books about hoarding, that it seldom is treatable, and hoarders simply don't want to change either. 

Of course they don't want to change.  It's a mental illness, not a preference for tea.

The brain of a hoarder is telling them that they're just fine.  That it's not that bad.  Or if they know it's that bad, that they have reasons for it all, and once imaginary conditions are met, they'll take care of it.  (Some of those can be physical triggers, like once I get my garbage service turned back on or unarticulated other triggers, like when I'm safe again.)

Clearly, those conditions can never BE met, so they're stuck in a horrible feedback loop where they either don't know or know and can't do anything about it.

It's dismissive to say they "simply don't want to change", because there's nothing simple about it.

Edited July 5, 2020 by MoldySpiceGirl

[AZChristian]

I agree that for some it is a mental illness that overrides their normal thought processes.

But sometimes, I think some people are just lazy.  I think about that woman who said she had about twenty terminal illnesses.  She sat like a queen in a big recliner in her roach-infested house, surrounded by used hypodermic needles.  The only thing she did keep relatively clean was the big bag of her daily medications, because that's all that was important to her.

When asked how her house got like that, she said it was because her kids didn't empty the trash can.  She's the only person I remember seeing who did not lift a finger to help with the cleaning process, and even insisted she needed to take a nap in the middle of the mess.  When challenged by the psychiatrist, she got all huffy and headed off (with no apparent physical problems) and sat in her car.

I never felt that she had a mental disease that caused the hoarding; she wasn't saving things that meant something to her.  She just wouldn't get her butt up and either take the trash out herself or make the kids do it.  

[CrazyInAlabama]

 

Shirley of the frog purses, that she claimed were her non-existent sister had a door mat of a husband.   He actually bought another house that she also hoarded, endangering their disabled son, and then she died too, freeing her family to live a decent life.  

Edited July 6, 2020 by CrazyInAlabama

[AZChristian]

11 minutes ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

Was her name Sherry?    If so she's gone to that burning hoard down below.  I hated her, and the ex-husband for deserting his children to her so she wouldn't lose her benefits (that's what he said, so I don't know exactly what he meant, unless she was living off of his child support).    

Yep.  Sherry.  I can't see anywhere online that she died; is that what you meant by "gone to that burning hoard down below"?  I think for Hoarders, Hell is a place that looks like a model home, and it's the hoarder's job to keep it clean.

I think what her husband said infers he let the kids live there because a family of 3 qualifies for more assistance and food stamps than one person living alone.  He didn't appear to be a highly paid executive, so I'm sure trying to support two households on his own would have been close to impossible.  If I were he, I'd take the kids and leave the bitch to fend for herself . . . after surrounding her with roach-infested sanitary pads from the bathroom.

BTW, just realized that Sherry was on "Hoarding:  Buried Alive," so we probably should take any further discussion to that forum.

[sempervivum]

I've been sporadically watching the reruns leading up to the new season. Yesterday they showed the one with ?Kathy? whose husband had been killed in a car accident at 41, which was supposedly what pushed her into hoarding. She was notable for keeping a big box of cicada husks as well as assorted dead mammals. The capper, though, was the owl she had in her freezer. I kind of related to her (yes, I have a (clean) possum skull in my kitchen), but when I find a whole dead critter, I just give it a decent burial in my yard. 

I'm just now realizing that the owl was killed by a truck on the road, not unlike her husband. 

[Vivigirl10]

I too got caught watching some of the reruns.  They started with two men who lived together (what the relationship was, I don't know) and one was so proud of his expensive old cell phone collection (ha!).  Then they exposed that they didn't only hoard electronics but they had stack upon stack of caged kitties too.  I couldn't change the channel fast enough.  I haven't stopped thinking about those poor babies.  Did it have a positive resolution?   

[Twiz44]

I recently saw the episode from last year with the couple in Washington who were sure they were being spied upon, among other things. My comment is regarding the organizer. Not sure of her name but all I could think was “where oh where is Dorothy”. This girl was so out of her league and ineffective that Dr. T had to console her. I sure hope Dorothy will be back. She takes control and gets the job done while maintaining her compassion and kindness.
 

[BradandJanet]

20 hours ago, Twiz44 said:

I recently saw the episode from last year with the couple in Washington who were sure they were being spied upon, among other things. My comment is regarding the organizer. Not sure of her name but all I could think was “where oh where is Dorothy”. This girl was so out of her league and ineffective that Dr. T had to console her. I sure hope Dorothy will be back. She takes control and gets the job done while maintaining her compassion and kindness.
 

Yep. Poor organizer was in tears. Working with mentally ill people requires both compassion and detachment. The organizer needs to develop a very thick skin to continue in this job if these people are representative of her clients. 

[Twiz44]

Watching the episode this morning with “Len” and his bag hoard. All I can say is Dorothy Brenninger is an angel on earth. Her compassion and kindness is unmeasured.

[BooksRule]

I caught the re-run of a recent episode (it was dated 2019) with Linda, the woman who took care of her grandchildren while her daughter was in jail.  I tried very hard not to get angry at her (and yell at the screen, the way I usually do during this show) because she clearly had major mental issues, what with the hoarding of human waste (even when the plumbing was working) and chaining up dogs in the house. I was more angry at her daughter, who screwed up her own life and left her kids with the woman because she decided that they would be better off with her mother than with others or in foster care. Even if (as she claimed) she didn't know it was that bad, she had to know that her mother had some problems.  I missed a few minutes of the episode here and there (cleaning house, yay me!)--did the kids ever let their mother know about the condition of the house?  I also noticed that Dr. Z stated that she could smell the house as she approached.  When they showed an aerial view near the end of the episode, the house next door was really, really close.  Did anyone nearby ever complain about the distressed look of the house and -- most of all -- the smell and call authorities?  

I was a little confused about the end.  The note said that the daughter's husband (boyfriend?) who was a contractor was making repairs and that Linda had moved back into the house.  Didn't everyone (including at least two experts) say that the house couldn't be repaired (one said that it would take a minimum of $160,000 - not including electrial and plumbing - to make the house liveable)?  Even if you take out labor costs by having a friend or relative do the work, it still had to be a costly project. And, finally, the note said that although her family was still 'hoping' that she would take advantage of the offered mental health counseling, Linda had been 'cleaning the house'.  As one poster above said 'Sure, Jan'. 🙂 

Edited July 12, 2020 by BooksRule

[Twiz44]

If anyone wondered “Whatever Happened to Baby Jane”, sadly her name is Barbara she’s living in a hoarded house in Beaver Falls, PA.

[CrazyInAlabama]

I'm guessing Linda's house was never completed, the son-in-law was just trying to get her off her daughter's back about that dump.    I'm guessing that the end of the filming that showed Linda moving back in was a red flag to the local authorities, and hopefully, got them off their fannies, and they condemned the house.        However, local authorities seem to be very reluctant to actually do anything about hoarders, or other code violations.  

 Remember, she was living with the daughter for a while, and still pooping on the floor instead of using the bathroom, so she wasn't moving back in there. 

Edited July 14, 2020 by CrazyInAlabama

[yaytv]

Oh man I have gotten sucked into Hoarders again after my sister showed me the Sandra episode last night (Greensboro, NC; 2017). Jesus H Crackers. 

I have depression and anxiety, and I worry that I could very well wind up on Hoarders some day. But I get tired of Dr. Tonya et al being all "oh it's a mental illness, [the hoarder] needs to touch and feel every single thing as we carry it out" and then being annoyed/surprised when the hoarder wants to keep everything or gets cranky with the clean up process. I'm also tired of the "if So and So doesn't participate, I'll have to call Adult Protective Services" or whatever. Like, the time to call them was clearly long before the Hoarders TV crew showed up. Maybe stop giving the hoarder 5000000 chances to be a public health hazard???

Honestly, the best thing to do for all of these hoarders is to get them into some kind of a home-with-a-capital-H (pity that Reaganism killed all the psych institutions back in the '70s), raze the (ruined, biohazardous) buildings and salt the earth, and then build new, multi-family residential units for low-income families, homeless people, and other at-risk populations. 

[CrazyInAlabama]

I doubt I'll watch the new episodes.   I really think the psychological professionals are just on the show to keep the filming going.     Unless it's a state they're licensed to practice in, they can't actually do any therapy anyway.     The hoarders from that short last season were so far gone, that nothing changed.   I'm guessing the last ones have rehoarded already, and added more.     

 

Edited July 19, 2020 by CrazyInAlabama

[BooksRule]

I'm watching 'Sybil & Ron', the one with the woman with the infestation of at least 1,500 mice (and who sleeps outside in the 'catio' with her four cats so that she can avoid having mice run over her in her sleep) and the second-hand camera shop owner (who sells the 'special tea' for prostate trouble on the side).  I think that Sybil won the Captain Obvious Award for today when she was speaking about her huge collection of Christmas ornaments: 'For the most part, they were an investment... (pause)... and I think they were a poor way to invest'. 

Edited July 19, 2020 by BooksRule