The Starling City Times: News and Media about Arrow

[Chaser]

10 minutes ago, dtissagirl said:

This is legit hilarious, considering how there's no possible way to count people who love vs. people who despise. I'm willing to bet whatever popularity numbers the CW and the WB have on Felicity, they're far from 50-50 by a fairly considerable margin, even.

Claims like these seem to be based on Comment Sections, which can't be a basis for anything. 

[apinknightmare]

2 minutes ago, Chaser said:

Claims like these seem to be based on Comment Sections, which can't be a basis for anything. 

Yeah, I don't quite get why it's so difficult for some people to understand that comment sections are a really, really small percentage of the general viewing audience. If you frequent the same ones, then you usually see the same, IDK...100, maybe - actually posting? I'm sure way more than that lurk and read, but without posting, who knows how they feel. And when you're dealing with a measurable viewing audience of a few million (with who knows how many non-Nielsen viewers), that's nothing. I actually read someone making an argument that the Arrow subreddit turning on the show was a huge blow and terrible news for Arrow, LOL. 

[bijoux]

I started reading the IGN review on your recommendations and I got to Ollie. I just can't.

[looptab]

I'd like to know what is it that Felicity 'stands for'. :) also, I'd put even those who despise her and Olicity under the 'obsess' category :)

[dtissagirl]

It's been years and I still picture Justin Hartley every time I see an Ollie and then wonder if the reviewer is really really confused. Because I'm not confused. Ollie = Smallville; Oliver = Arrow. The end.

[tv echo]

Some Arrow stuff...

Interview: Stephen Amell Talks ‘TMNT: Out of the Shadows’
By Alejandra Torres on June 4, 2016
http://theyoungfolks.com/film/interview-stephen-amell-talks-tmnt-out-of-the-shadows/79857

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What was the audition process like? What made you interested in playing this part? 
Well, the fact that it was Casey Jones and the fact that it was Paramount, which is a studio that I have a lot of respect for based on products they put forward and the actors they have a longtime relationship with. And as for the actual audition process, I had a meeting with Brad [Fuller] and Andrew [Form] of Platinum Dunes, who were introduced to me by my manager as “The Michael Bay guys,” which I thought was cool. We had a meeting, but it wasn’t really about Casey Jones because we didn’t think there was any chance at all with my schedule on Arrow that I’d be able to shoot a movie like this because it wasn’t being built for me. You know it’s not Casey Jones out of the shadows. You got to line up everyone’s schedule. So when we found out that I was actually going to be able to do it, we knew that it was starting to float around, we knew that they were getting close to hiring somebody, and when we got the go-ahead from Warner Bros. actually talking about start and finish dates for Arrow, and they were willing to sort of lock both of those in, then I did a tape that afternoon. I want to say that was a Tuesday. That Friday afternoon I was testing with Megan [Fox] in LA, and Monday morning I got a phone call from my agents and manager, which is always a good call to get when you get the joint call. They were like, “You are to be expecting Michael Bay’s phone call.” And that was it.
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For all your fans who know your previous work in Arrow, might think you’re just playing another vigilante. How are you trying to bring something fresh to Casey Jones that’s very different from Arrow?First of all, if you go see the movie and you think it’s that vigilante guy playing that vigilante guy, then I can’t do anything for you. [Laughs] If you form your opinion based off of the trailer, I still can’t do anything for you, but if by the time Casey meets the turtles in the first couple of scenes, you’re thinking this guy isn’t different, then you don’t want it to be different because it really is. Oliver is actually closer to the turtles. Oliver is closer to being a ninja. Oliver thinks, he’s analytical. Casey Jones has more guts than brains. And I think he’s actually pretty funny.

What’s it like making the switch from TV to movie?
You know, it really is the same thing. It’s a camera and a lens. Again, it’s just time affords you the opportunity to make a much more personal vision. There are certain television shows that are technically television shows, but is Game of Thrones really a television show, or is it a nine-hour movie that comes out every year? [Laughs] With the amount of time that they have to film, it allows them to do stuff like long, steady cam shots. We are required on TV to keep our schedule, and we’re producing at a maximum rate, so when we’re building up a scene of course they story-board it, and that was very different. Since the scale was bigger, I was expecting it to be a little bit more stilted, and in fact, it was the exact opposite. Feature filmmaking allows you to make an incredibly personalized vision because if you don’t make your day, you just come back the next day.

In this day and age, anyone can kind of reach you at your twitter. Playing these iconic characters, not everyone is going to be happy. How do you handle that negativity?
Well first of all, it feels incredibly rare that I get horrible messages. I feel like there’s been a very loud faction of people that seem to think that Arrow was one show for a while, and now it’s becoming another show, but this is simply a problem that you run into because we just finished our 92nd episode. Some of the best shows on television have been their best shows since season six, seven and eight. So, I learned very early on—it was actually when we were shooting the pilot for Arrow— that the opposite of love is not hate, it is apathy. If nobody cared, then no one would write anything. When I moved to LA in 2010, I could’ve walked down the middle of Hollywood Boulevard in a box shouting some obscene message and nobody would’ve cared. Now, not so much. [Laughs]. So you just have to learn to roll with it. The other important thing is, especially with Twitter, if it’s not something people are willing to attach their name to, why would I take it seriously?

Edited June 4, 2016 by tv echo

[tv echo]

Laura Hurley is reporting from Awesome Con (in Washington, D.C.) this weekend - here's her article on Kevin Smith's event, I've quoted the part where he's talking about Arrow...

Awesome Con 2016: Kevin Smith may have a future on The CW 
Laura Hurley June 4, 2016 9:23 AM MST
http://www.examiner.com/article/awesome-con-2016-kevin-smith-may-have-a-future-on-the-cw

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The carte blanche invitation to return to Greg Berlanti’s Flarrow-verse could mean that the sky is the limit for what Kevin Smith can potentially bring to the four shows of the CW DC lineup. In response to an audience question about what he could deliver for Arrow, Smith revealed that he has an idea. “I would love to write for Arrow because I created a character called Onomatopoeia – a villain – and I would love to bring him into the show,” shared Smith.

Onomatopoeia is a supervillain that Kevin Smith introduced into DC canon as a serial killer who targets vigilantes who have become superheroes despite a lack of superpowers. Considering that Arrow is the only CW DC show not to revolve around any main characters with superpowers, Smith could indeed have the perfect live action vehicle to bring his character to life. Season 4 of Arrow featured an awful lot of characters with fantastical abilities, so a major villain whose primary focus is skills rather than superpowers could mean a return to what worked best in earlier years. Oliver deserves a break from all of the metahuman and magical shenanigans to battle a good old-fashioned psychopath.

Arrow fans shouldn’t get their hopes up just yet about Kevin Smith bringing Onomatopoeia to vex Oliver and Co. in Season 5. It seems that Greg Berlanti’s offer for Smith to drop by anytime hasn’t resulted in any solid plans for actual episode to showcase his villain. “The wheels started turning about maybe possibly jumping onto Green Arrow,” said Smith, “but so far, I haven’t spoken to anybody, there’s nothing official about it.”

Edited June 5, 2016 by tv echo

[tv echo]

Interestingly, Laurel is not listed among the most controversial deaths (those went to Lexa and Lincoln on The 100, Robin on OUaT, Abbie Milles on Sleepy Hollow, Elizabeth Keen on The Blacklist and Carl Elias on PoI)...

Death by numbers: A complete breakdown of 2016 TV character deaths and what they mean
1:00 PM EDT, JUNE 5, 2016
http://www.hypable.com/2016-tv-character-deaths-analysis/

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Here is the final list of numbers, broken down into the sections you’ll find below.

• Total number of deaths: 70
• Network deaths: The CW (27), ABC (14), NBC (12), CBS (6), Fox (4), MTV (2), AMC (2), BBC (1), HBO (2)
• Show deaths: Arrow (9), The 100 (5), Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (4), Once Upon a Time (4), Blindspot (4), Quantico (3), Grimm (3), The Originals (3), Reign (3), Legends of Tomorrow (3), Supernatural (2), Person of Interest (2), NCIS (2), Wayward Pines (2), The Walking Dead (2), Game of Thrones (2), The Catch (1), The Family (1), Grey’s Anatomy (1), Chicago Fire (1), Chicago Med (1), Chicago P.D. (1), The Vampire Diaries (1), The Flash (1), Hawaii Five-O (1), NCIS: New Orleans (1), Empire (1), Gotham (1), Teen Wolf (1), Doctor Who (1)
• Deaths broken up by gender: Men (42), women (28)
• Deaths broken up by race: 17 (9 male, 8 female)
• Deaths broken up by sexual orientation: 8 (1 male, 7 female)

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AND THE DEADLIEST TELEVISION SHOW GOES TO…
Arrow far and away won this round, killing off 9 characters total. The threat of Damien Darhk warrants this total, but considering that’s four characters higher than the next show, it seems like quite a lot. Despite the regular and recurring requirements, I’d say only two of the characters — Laurel and Damien — were important. Some of them were still significant, like Andy and Ruvé, but they were more significant to the primary characters’ stories than their own.
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But the list is what it is, and I still find it fascinating to analyze, despite spending countless hours on both this article and the previous one. It shows me, and, I hope, the writers and showrunners of these television shows, that death on a show is more impactful when it is both rare and necessary. No one would celebrate the loss of Henry Allen on The Flash, but I think many would agree that one death of this caliber hits harder than most of the deaths found on Arrow. But even in the case of Laurel, her death feels less significant given the high causality rate on the show and their penchant for bringing characters back to life.

Edited June 6, 2016 by tv echo

[quarks]

How is this list defining "characters"?  Just for named characters with speaking roles? Because I distinctly remember a rather controversial massacre of a lot more than just 5 people on The 100, and Game of Thrones killed off eight people in the first episode this season and just killed off another few dozen people last night, and in between those episodes merrily burned about 40 people alive in a single scene, and still has three more episodes to go this season.

[Sakura12]

I'm thinking they mean significant characters, characters with speaking parts, names and being part of the show for at least a season. In that regard GoT killed off two of that type of character so far. Although that is something if Arrow has more deaths than GoT. 

Edited June 6, 2016 by Sakura12

[tv echo]

From same Hypable article:

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Before anyone on the list was revealed, I asked the other Hypable writers to give me the biggest deaths and departures that occurred in their fandoms for this season of television. Already the parameters were confusing. Some shows were in between seasons. Some characters weren’t leads but were still considered important. Others’ deaths were impactful, but not necessarily “major.” It is for these reasons that you’ll see some discrepancies throughout our list and why we have more characters on ours than TV Line has on theirs.

The list could also be much more inclusive than it is, but we were limited by the shows we watch as a group and by our own judgement of major vs. minor characters. For example, Abbie Mills from Sleepy Hollow absolutely should have been included, but for one reason or another she slipped under the radar when we were gathering characters before TV Line’s list began to be unveiled. In another example, there were plenty of important, recurring characters who died on The Shannara Chronicles, but we decided to focus only on the leads.
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So, yes, our list is inherently flawed. It also evolved over time, much like TV Line’s did. A lot more minor characters showed up on theirs than I expected, but in order to stay true to our initial objective of explaining the reason for and the impact of these deaths on their respective shows, I had our writers write blurbs for each and every name that showed up on their list. That’s why you’ll notice no minor character deaths that took place before May Sweeps, and yet several minor character deaths that took place during May Sweeps. It is an inconsistency that I address and try to work around in my analysis.

Edited June 6, 2016 by tv echo

[catrox14]

I don't get that list at all.  SPN's should have at 6 character deaths listed if they were going to include the very minor character Donatello who appeared in 1 and 1/8 episode and did really nothing particularly meaningful and is probably not dead.  And not in the 'Oh we'll bring him back from the dead" way but in the "there is no evidence that he was actually killed way" . There is another major recurring character who is likely actually dead but it's not clear, so I can ignore that one. If they are going to include Donatello, then there were 4 other guest/minor characters deaths that actually mattered to the entire main mytharc of the season.

Rant Warning:

Abbie Mills:  I don't care how they spin that "oversight". They could have easily chosen to add her to the list because IMO, her death was the single most important, impactful, and controversial character death on tv in 2015/2016 season. Abbie Mills absence is inexcusable therefore I judge this list invalid and pointless.

[Morrigan2575]

wait they left Abby Mills off the list?  That doesn't make sense. Seems this list is bmvery subjective while trying to appear scientific.

BTW - Who the hell is Donatello on SPN? 

[catrox14]

4 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

BTW - Who the hell is Donatello on SPN? 

spoilers for SPN

Spoiler

The new old white guy prophet from All in the Family. Introduced in the same episode they brought back Kevin to tell the boys to trust Chuck and then send Kevin to Heaven...ugh...don't even start me on that shitfest of a choice...sigh

[apinknightmare]

26 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

wait they left Abby Mills off the list?  That doesn't make sense. Seems this list is bmvery subjective while trying to appear scientific.

BTW - Who the hell is Donatello on SPN? 

ETA: Nevermind - my bad, I misread. 

Edited June 6, 2016 by apinknightmare

[catrox14]

Re Abbie Mills absence.  Fuck off, Hypable

I swear, if I were more conspiratorially minded I would think Fox paid Hypable to put together this poorly conceived with terrible methodology, list just to keep Abbie off the bad lists so we just forget she ever existed. But I'm not bitter....

 

2 hours ago, tv echo said:

The list could also be much more inclusive than it is, but we were limited by the shows we watch as a group and by our own judgement of major vs. minor characters. For example, Abbie Mills from Sleepy Hollow absolutely should have been included, but for one reason or another she slipped under the radar when we were gathering characters

[quarks]

16 minutes ago, Sakura12 said:

I'm thinking they mean significant characters, characters with speaking parts, names and being part of the show for at least a season. In that regard GoT killed off two of that type of character so far. Although that is something if Arrow has more deaths than GoT. 

Even under that definition, and ignoring last night's episode since this article was written before that aired, I think Game of Thrones has killed off more than two significant characters this season. (checks)

Spoiler

 

The Red Woman - Doran Martell (appeared in multiple episodes for a full season last year); Minor: Trystane 

Home - Roose Bolton (first appeared in season two; relatively major character); arguable: Balon Greyjoy; minor: Fat Walda and her baby 

Oathbreaker - Alistair Thorne (first appeared in season one; relatively major character), arguable Olly (appeared in multiple seasons); minor: Bowen Marsh and whoever the other Night Watch guy was

Book of the Stranger - arguable Osha (first appeared in season two, but like Balon Greyjoy, only limited appearances), 40 or so khals burned alive.

The Door - Hodor, plus minor characters Summer (he totally counts as a character!), the Three-Eyed Raven and various Children of the Forest.

Blood of my Blood - No major or minor character deaths.

 

So that's at least four significant characters, depending on how a few of them are classified, in just the first four episodes, plus at least nine characters with speaking parts who appeared in more than one episode, and two or three characters who didn't speak but had a relatively significant role in the plot.

Meanwhile, in order to classify Arrow as the deadliest show on television, Hypable needs to claim that Arrow killed off nine significant characters this season. I'm counting eight (Laurel, Amanda Waller, Damien Darhk, Alex, Ruve, Poppy, Reiter, Andy - who did I miss?). If villain Damien Darhk and minor characters Alex and Ruve count as significant deaths, and Laurel and Amanda Waller are counted despite dying prior to May sweeps, then that bumps Flash up to at least three significant deaths, not one (Killer Frost, Zoom and Henry Allen) and also bumps The 100 up 

Spoiler

(regular Lincoln died prior to May sweeps, as did Lexa, Emerson, Sinclair, Hannah, Nia, and Zoe)

.  Arrow nuking a town does bring its overall death count above Game of Thrones, but since we didn't see any of those deaths or the bodies, that swings the pendulum back to Game of Thrones (where we did) and The 100 (ditto). 

I'm sympathetic to the argument Hypable's trying to make here - that too many deaths lessen the emotional impact - but the methodology is so flawed, I can't buy it. I agree, completely, that at least one death in Game of Thrones and one death on The 100 this season got a much larger and more emotional fan response than any of the deaths on Arrow. But since both of those shows, by any counting methodology, had a much higher overall death count - and Game of Thrones still has a few episodes to go - I don't think it's the death count. Rather, I'd argue that the emotional impact comes from other factors: the characters themselves, the way the deaths were written/filmed, and the way those deaths impact other characters and the plot. Not all of the deaths on Game of Thrones or The 100 had an emotional impact, but those that did shared a few common factors: the show had taken time to establish their characters clearly, the camera usually (not always) lingered either on the deaths or, more importantly, the reaction to the deaths, and most of the deaths that caused an emotional impact also impacted the plot.  That was less true with the deaths on Arrow.

And I'd have to agree that any article that leaves Abby Mills off the list of significant character deaths this season is rather hard to take seriously - even if I've just spent this post partly refuting it.

[catrox14]

1 minute ago, apinknightmare said:

From the article under "Controversy": 

Then there are deaths like Abbie Mills and Elizabeth Keen, who are the stars of their own shows — shows that will continue to air despite their departures.

Wait, what? So I show that continues to air despite the highly controversial death of one of the leads...makes those deaths...less impactful than...say fucking Donatello from SPN . WHAT THE HELL?

I don't care if the author addresses why Abbie wasn't included, the fact is the LIST itself does NOT include Abbie Mills who died a full two weeks before May sweeps. So if minor characters are included from May sweeps then a fucking LEAD character should be included no matter when said character died.

Damn, I'll never be over Abbie's demise. Fuck you, Fox. Sorry

[Morrigan2575]

30 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

spoilers for SPN

  Reveal hidden contents

The new old white guy prophet from All in the Family. Introduced in the same episode they brought back Kevin to tell the boys to trust Chuck and then send Kevin to Heaven...ugh...don't even start me on that shitfest of a choice...sigh

Oh that's right. I knew the actor from Angel and never bothered to learn his SPN name 

[Carrie Ann]

I just don't see the point of Hypable or TVLine doing less-comprehensive versions of the same story as Vox, when Vox's was actually comprehensive, with clearly-laid-out guidelines for what constituted a "significant" death. It's just kind of embarrassing, IMO, but whatever gets those clicks I guess.

[dtissagirl]

8 minutes ago, Carrie Ann said:

I just don't see the point of Hypable or TVLine doing less-comprehensive versions of the same story as Vox, when Vox's was actually comprehensive, with clearly-laid-out guidelines for what constituted a "significant" death. It's just kind of embarrassing, IMO, but whatever gets those clicks I guess.

^^THIS, so much. I shut that Hypable article off 3 paragraphs in because it felt like I was reading the knockoff article
 

52 minutes ago, quarks said:

Meanwhile, in order to classify Arrow as the deadliest show on television, Hypable needs to claim that Arrow killed off nine significant characters this season. I'm counting eight (Laurel, Amanda Waller, Damien Darhk, Alex, Ruve, Poppy, Reiter, Andy - who did I miss?).

Milo Armitage.

[bijoux]

25 minutes ago, dtissagirl said:

Milo Armitage.

That Southern dude who hated Oliver and Reiter's hard on for Oliver in the flashbacks. I was actually thinking about Milo yesterday. I'm almost sad that they offed him like they did. Realizing he had actually been around from practically the start was one of my favorite minor shock moments. It could have been cool to have him play a bigger role either this or the next season.

[quarks]

1 hour ago, bijoux said:

That Southern dude who hated Oliver and Reiter's hard on for Oliver in the flashbacks. I was actually thinking about Milo yesterday. I'm almost sad that they offed him like they did. Realizing he had actually been around from practically the start was one of my favorite minor shock moments. It could have been cool to have him play a bigger role either this or the next season.

I completely forgot the other flashback guy. I should have remembered Milo Armitage, though.

[looptab]

And what about Mina Fayad? And that other nameless chick who died when Milo did? :(

[bijoux]

Phaedra Nixon.

[Starfish35]

Why are they counting Elizabeth Keen? Does a faked death count?

[TwistedandBored]

9 hours ago, catrox14 said:

Wait, what? So I show that continues to air despite the highly controversial death of one of the leads...makes those deaths...less impactful than...say fucking Donatello from SPN . WHAT THE HELL?

I don't care if the author addresses why Abbie wasn't included, the fact is the LIST itself does NOT include Abbie Mills who died a full two weeks before May sweeps. So if minor characters are included from May sweeps then a fucking LEAD character should be included no matter when said character died.

Damn, I'll never be over Abbie's demise. Fuck you, Fox. Sorry

Same.

[kismet]

I still don't understand how you can write an article about major deaths and forget about Abbie. I know Sleepy Hollow is low on fans, but the outrage hit mainstream media. She was the co-lead and half of the duo the whole premise of the show was written around to save the world. It's just wrong.

And it honestly makes me question the integrity of that article. Out of of all of the deaths this season, Abbie is one of those that will forever change the show on a fundamental level. It's literally a mandatory reworking of the show.

[catrox14]

5 minutes ago, kismet said:

And it honestly makes me question the integrity of that article. Out of of all of the deaths this season, Abbie is one of those that will forever change the show on a fundamental level. It's literally a mandatory reworking of the show

Yup. That's why I said I think that article is invalid. I'm not even kidding. It's BS.

[Trini]

8 hours ago, Carrie Ann said:

I just don't see the point of Hypable or TVLine doing less-comprehensive versions of the same story as Vox, when Vox's was actually comprehensive, with clearly-laid-out guidelines for what constituted a "significant" death. It's just kind of embarrassing, IMO, but whatever gets those clicks I guess.

TVLine's Mays Sweeps Scorecard (which was first, BTW) shouldn't even be compared to the other two lists anyway, since TVLine's was only set up to tease plot twists, and only for the sweeps period. The Vox article (which does have some omissions) is much, much better.

[looptab]

I don't even understand the explanation given for not including Abbie, to be honest.

[tv echo]

Stephen Amell on Fighting for Roles and How His Arrow Fanbase Affects His Choices [VIDEO]
BY JUSTINE BROWNING  June 6, 2016
http://collider.com/stephen-amell-arrow-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-2-interview/

[tv echo]

Lots of quotes from Arrow actors...

Do we need more 'strong women' on TV? Female actors have their say on the debate
8 JUN 2016  BY JO-ANNE ROWNEY , STACEY WILLIAMS
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/need-more-strong-women-tv-8105723

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Arrow’s Emily Bett Rickards summed up the issue saying female characters “become the glue” in shows.

“The thing is, we shouldn’t just have to be the glue,” she said. “I want to be the pieces.”
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Arrow star Willa Holland said one of her favourite things about the show is being able to represent all kinds of women and the progression her character shows.

"One of my favourite things about the show is being able to represent females as a whole - the way all the female characters do, [they're] so badass," she said when asked about her role.
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"I really have enjoyed bringing a young girl who is damaged and a little crazy and full of herself in the beginning to a real stand-up human being and having that evolution and having her go from the negative partying and all that to actually loosing her family and just going through all these real life scenarios.

"Growing up in her own right and taking the time to do it justice, because we were able to take time to do justice to a growth.

"Rather than in one year she goes through everything and at the end of it she's in a Speedy costume."
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Katrina Law echoed her co-star's comments, saying they were "fortunate" to be on a show like Arrow that she felt "values" females.

She said: "We're really fortunate on the show to be a part of a writing staff and production team that values its female characters and female cast mates so much.

"We get to fight for freedom and for love and for justice right along next to the men.

"Sometimes we fight for our men, and sometimes we fight for our own storylines and I think that's very rare for a female on television in general, so it's wonderful watching a character like Thea turn into Speedy or someone like Nyssa who learns to love through the Lance sisters and watching the Lance sisters go through their development."

She praised all the female cast members, saying they gave a great example for younger viewers, adding: "We have such a wonderful cast of strong females. I think that's so important and vital especially for the young generation coming up."

Edited June 8, 2016 by tv echo

[bijoux]

Ten Episodes of Arrow to Rewatch This Summer

http://emertainmentmonthly.com/2016/06/08/ten-episodes-arrow-rewatch-summer/

it's a very good list, but I burst out laughing at Laurel and Sara being the best sisters on TV. That would be pretty sad if true.

[Sakura12]

1 hour ago, bijoux said:

Ten Episodes of Arrow to Rewatch This Summer

http://emertainmentmonthly.com/2016/06/08/ten-episodes-arrow-rewatch-summer/

it's a very good list, but I burst out laughing at Laurel and Sara being the best sisters on TV. That would be pretty sad if true.

I always see people saying how great Laurel and Sara are as sisters. And I'm always like "WHAT!" do these people not have sisters? If they did I don't see how it's possible to love those two as sisters. I've seen better sisterly relationships between friends on the other shows over those two. I'd actually consider Laurel and Sara as one of the worst examples of sisters on TV. Although I know people that watch TV on a very surface level, where if a character says something they believe it, even when that character doesn't show or act like they meant it. They liked the Hawks relationship on LoT because they both said they love each other. Acting ability doesn't seem to matter to them. 

[Chaser]

1 hour ago, bijoux said:

Ten Episodes of Arrow to Rewatch This Summer

http://emertainmentmonthly.com/2016/06/08/ten-episodes-arrow-rewatch-summer/

it's a very good list, but I burst out laughing at Laurel and Sara being the best sisters on TV. That would be pretty sad if true.

According to that writer, everything Arrow is the bestest thing ever.

[catrox14]

12 minutes ago, Sakura12 said:

I always see people saying how great Laurel and Sara are as sisters. And I'm always like "WHAT!" do these people not have sisters? If they did I don't see how it's possible to love those two as sisters. I've seen better sisterly relationships between friends on the other shows over those two. I'd actually consider Laurel and Sara as one of the worst examples of sisters on TV. Although I know people that watch TV on a very surface level, where if a character says something they believe it, even when that character doesn't show or act like they meant it. They liked the Hawks relationship on LoT because they both said they love each other. Acting ability doesn't seem to matter to them. 

WORST SISTERS EVER.

Seriously. There is so much wrong with their sisterhood I can't even begin.

[Primal Slayer]

I like me some Laurel/Sara. After they got over all their initial drama, they were good as gravy for me. 

[wonderwall]

I don't know any good sister who, in good conscience, would resurrect her sister then proceed to chain her up like an animal in a basement with no restroom, water, bed, or any other necessities. That was absolutely disgusting. And worst of all, that aspect didn't even phase Laurel as much as it did Quentin. God she was the worst. 

Not to mention their history was terrible too.

• Laurel getting Sara into SERIOUS trouble over a boy by ratting out the party Oliver was holding
• Sara: "I don't mean to be a bitch" Laurel: "Title of your autobiography" --  and this is over a boy
• Sara then decided to go on that boat with Oliver knowing what it'd do to Laurel.
• Sara deciding to bring Oliver to that stupid dinner (let's be real, that decision was stupid as hell)
• Sara deciding to sleep with Oliver without any regard to Laurel
• Laurel then throwing glass at Sara and telling her that she stole her life... What life Laurel??? A life where Sara got ripped away from her family for 6 years???.
• After discovering Sara was tortured Laurel goes to Oliver of all people to comfort? Ugh.
• Laurel (and TA)  then stuffing Sara into a goddamn fridge then her old grave (which was a disgusting thing to do)
• Sara not batting an eyelash when Slade took Laurel. Oliver would legit die for Thea and go on a rampage, but Sara? Nope. Nothing
• Laurel smiling like an asshole when Sara was going BACK to the LoA (a place that almost made her commit suicide) 
• Laurel not telling anyone about resurrecting Sara because she wanted to save the headache of Oliver judging her which was incredibly selfish

Their best sisterly moments:

• Laurel apologizing to Sara at the club
• Laurel comforting Sara when she was having an identity crisis (at the end of season 2)... It was a pretty shallow ass speech but hey, it worked
• The moment on the rooftop before Sara was killed
• Sara/Laurel training in LoT
• Sara/Laurel saying goodbye in 406

Yeah. They were horrendous sisters and not even the good moments can cancel the fuckery that they put each other through. 

Edited June 8, 2016 by wonderwall

[Chaser]

It gets even worse if you add in the comics. IIRC Lance had to ask Laurel to help Sara when she was getting bullied.

[Starfish35]

They must not watch Supergirl.  I can't believe anyone would pick Laurel and Sara over Kara and Alex.

[BkWurm1]

3 hours ago, bijoux said:

Ten Episodes of Arrow to Rewatch This Summer

http://emertainmentmonthly.com/2016/06/08/ten-episodes-arrow-rewatch-summer/

it's a very good list, but I burst out laughing at Laurel and Sara being the best sisters on TV. That would be pretty sad if true.

I'd nominate Kara and Alex from Supergirl for best sisters in the Berlanti universe.  Now that relationship actually works. 

[catrox14]

5 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

I'd nominate Kara and Alex from Supergirl for best sisters in the Berlanti universe.  Now that relationship actually works. 

Yes. And it's more realistic because they don't always get along and they don't always see eye to eye. But they are they for each other and have yet to fight over a guy (that I remember anyway)

[FurryFury]

IIRC there was a hint in casting calls or early character descriptions that James would be interested in Alex while Kara pines for him, but thankfully they've decided to drop this aspect (I guess they've replaced Alex with Lucy in this scenario).

[Velocity23]

[Velocity23]

Olicity nominated for LipLock in 2nd Wave of Teenchoice

http://www.teenchoice.com/article/vote-now-for-wave-2-teen-choice-nominees

[Delphi]

Well,  that's nice but I assume OUaT is going to snag that one. 

[Velocity23]

Well since FOX has the right to choose from the top 4 votes, anything is possible honestly.

[kismet]

Is it a specific kiss? Or just kissing in general? Because I think the Ying/Yang kiss has a lot of potential to garner votes. It's a unique kiss. I feel like either really pivotal & passionate kisses get the votes. But if you have a unique kiss, that ups the ante.

Did BA & IW even kiss this season? I really have no memory of it.

[Morrigan2575]

Season finale, cpupled with the white light behind them. Seriously reminded me of the 301 Hospital Kiss