Kyle Richards: Pantene Poster Girl

[ZettaK]

On 1/30/2025 at 10:12 PM, SweetieDarling said:

Being of the certain age to which you are probably referring, and having been elementary school room mom several times, I do know some families that have a family email acct for things like school, sports, and other family event type things where multiple people need to have access to the information. I do admit it I think It's kind of smart considering the different family configurations. I assume they have their own personal emails

 

get off my lawn!

Many young people give their passwords to social media accounts to their partners.

Edited February 4 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

On 1/30/2025 at 11:09 AM, SweetieDarling said:

Last season at an outdoor lunch, they were playing one of their famous games, and a question came up about husbands communicating with other women on social media

 

 

It's not an assumption

Thank you.

Edited February 4 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

On 2/2/2025 at 9:38 PM, Pattycake2 said:

It seems to me that if Mauricio did not commit infidelity, then all Kyle had to say when asked was… no Mo never cheated on me. If she was concerned about people thinking that she was a lesbian, all she had to do was say….no I’m not a lesbian. And if she was worried that no one discussed the text she sent to Dorit when Dorit and PK separated, she could’ve said on camera…. I also sent you a text.

I wonder if people watch all the episodes.

Kyle said twice on the show there was no infidelity (the second time on the last episode), she told Garcelle she didn't have an affair/relationship with Morgan (because that's what Garcelle asked about specifically) on a previous episode, and as for sending texts to both PK and Dorit, she said on an interview that the women knew she did (but they continued with the text storyline anyway), so I assume Bravo didn't show the whole conversation, something that is common. We might see more in the future.

Edited February 4 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

On 1/30/2025 at 3:27 PM, JenE4 said:

She didn’t say it in our version, but @nicole21290 transcribed the extended version, presumably on Peacock:

 

It was not right for Kyle to delete DMs, but in order for another person to be able to see DMs on an IG account that is not theirs, the other person (Mauricio in this case) has to give either their phone, or their password information to their account.  So he obviously agreed because he didn't think he had any secrets. Kyle said she was bothered he followed a lot of people and liked photos, and she didn't like his explanations why he did, but this could be just jealousy, and she didn't say he actually contacted any of the women, or cheated.

[RealHousewife]

6 hours ago, ZettaK said:

I wonder if people watch all the episodes.

Kyle said twice on the show there was no infidelity (the second time on the last episode), she told Garcelle she didn't have an affair/relationship with Morgan (because that's what Garcelle asked about specifically) on a previous episode, and as for sending texts to both PK and Dorit, she said on an interview that the women knew she did (but they continued with the text storyline anyway), so I assume Bravo didn't show the whole conversation, something that is common. We might see more in the future.

I think it's the whole teasing then playing coy thing. It's true Kyle never gave any details about Mauricio to back up an affair, but I can absolutely see why some people would think there was infidelity due to info she did share. Kyle says she's trying to be quiet about Morgan now out of respect for her, who knows. Then I don't know why she brought up PK texting her in the first place as if it's something to talk about if it wasn't something to talk about. 

[princelina]

3 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I think it's the whole teasing then playing coy thing. It's true Kyle never gave any details about Mauricio to back up an affair, but I can absolutely see why some people would think there was infidelity due to info she did share. Kyle says she's trying to be quiet about Morgan now out of respect for her, who knows. Then I don't know why she brought up PK texting her in the first place as if it's something to talk about if it wasn't something to talk about. 

My thoughts exactly!  I always said there was no way she was having and affair with Morgan, but she sure enjoyed acting like she was!  She knows what she's doing reality show-wise, but unfortunately not in life.  I felt bad for her tonight.

[ZettaK]

6 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I think it's the whole teasing then playing coy thing. It's true Kyle never gave any details about Mauricio to back up an affair, but I can absolutely see why some people would think there was infidelity due to info she did share. Kyle says she's trying to be quiet about Morgan now out of respect for her, who knows. Then I don't know why she brought up PK texting her in the first place as if it's something to talk about if it wasn't something to talk about. 

She did, and does those for the sake of a storyline (and to get sympathy). She liked the attention she received from a young female because she was bored with her middle aged life, but she backpedaled when the media and the cast asked openly if she had an affair.

[nicole21290]

1 hour ago, ZettaK said:

She did, and does those for the sake of a storyline (and to get sympathy). She liked the attention she received from a young female because she was bored with her middle aged life, but she backpedaled when the media and the cast asked openly if she had an affair.

I mean, I can't imagine why she'd publicly want to avoid owning a same-sex affair, especially given the other person isn't out and doesn't want to even be talked about on the show... 

For what it's worth, Garcelle's lesbian comment a few episodes ago? Kyle said on WWHL that the reason she called Garcelle an asshole over it is because they'd had a private, off-camera conversation and Kyle views that moment onscreen as "weaponizing" that conversation that had meant a lot to her. 

[Keywestclubkid]

1 hour ago, nicole21290 said:

 

For what it's worth, Garcelle's lesbian comment a few episodes ago? Kyle said on WWHL that the reason she called Garcelle an asshole over it is because they'd had a private, off-camera conversation and Kyle views that moment onscreen as "weaponizing" that conversation that had meant a lot to her. 

I find this hilarious that she’s going this route when SHE was the one that ONE brought the storyline to the show and 2 fed into the gossip and the rumors about it gleefully until the lesbian in question got blowback and didn’t want to be part of the show anymore 

 

there was never anything private about it .. Kyle is a full on hypocrite 

[nexxie]

Once they’re sure they aren’t getting back together, Kyle would be better off in a smaller home designed around her current life - this season she’s lost in a sea of memories no matter where she wanders in her home and garden.

[nicole21290]

10 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I find this hilarious that she’s going this route when SHE was the one that ONE brought the storyline to the show and 2 fed into the gossip and the rumors about it gleefully until the lesbian in question got blowback and didn’t want to be part of the show anymore 

 

there was never anything private about it .. Kyle is a full on hypocrite 

By brought the storyline to the show, you mean she showed part of the reality of her life which is that she spends time with Morgan? The "lesbian in question" has never talked publicly about her sexuality (and has only talked about one partner she's had - a boyfriend) and almost relapsed when she was being speculated about in the wake of the separation news, so Kyle is doing a good thing by respecting her and trying to keep her out of the narrative of her own sexuality journey, such as it is. 

I think it's pretty okay for Kyle to feel hurt by Garcelle and Sutton using off-camera conversations - where she felt she could trust and confide in them - for the cameras. Sutton literally has Garcelle's quote about being a lesbian plastered across a shirt on her website, monetising the whole thing. 

6 hours ago, nexxie said:

Once they’re sure they aren’t getting back together, Kyle would be better off in a smaller home designed around her current life - this season she’s lost in a sea of memories no matter where she wanders in her home and garden.

Kyle has said she and Mauricio have had conversations about whether to sell the Encino home or not, and seem to be leaning towards leasing it. She was talking on the podcast with Alex Baskin this week about the prospect of being in charge of her own bills, etc, and said she and a friend were checking out a home (smaller, 1 acre instead of 2, IIRC) and she was taken aback by how high even THAT potential bill would be. She does still have five dogs, many of which are large, so she has to keep that in mind; it's not just the number of rooms she has. She's also said that when Portia goes to college, she's pretty sure she sees herself moving about a lot, not living in LA fulltime but also in Aspen and maybe somewhere else. 

[Keywestclubkid]

46 minutes ago, nicole21290 said:

By brought the storyline to the show, you mean she showed part of the reality of her life which is that she spends time with Morgan? The "lesbian in question" has never talked publicly about her sexuality (and has only talked about one partner she's had - a boyfriend) and almost relapsed when she was being speculated about in the wake of the separation news, so Kyle is doing a good thing by respecting her and trying to keep her out of the narrative of her own sexuality journey, such as it is. 

I think it's pretty okay for Kyle to feel hurt by Garcelle and Sutton using off-camera conversations - where she felt she could trust and confide in them - for the cameras. Sutton literally has Garcelle's quote about being a lesbian plastered across a shirt on her website, monetising the whole thing. 

Kyle has said she and Mauricio have had conversations about whether to sell the Encino home or not, and seem to be leaning towards leasing it. She was talking on the podcast with Alex Baskin this week about the prospect of being in charge of her own bills, etc, and said she and a friend were checking out a home (smaller, 1 acre instead of 2, IIRC) and she was taken aback by how high even THAT potential bill would be. She does still have five dogs, many of which are large, so she has to keep that in mind; it's not just the number of rooms she has. She's also said that when Portia goes to college, she's pretty sure she sees herself moving about a lot, not living in LA fulltime but also in Aspen and maybe somewhere else. 

She brought it to the show yes .. she can’t suddenly say someone is being an asshole for responding to what she brought herself .. there was nothing private about Morgan till suddenly Morgan didn’t want to be part of it ..

Kyle did this no one else .. Kyle played up the rumors they shot a video playing with the rumors .. they were living for the rumors.. feeding each other getting matching tattoos it’s literally documented on this show and that tacky video they shot for her song being wait for it gay baiting lesbianish vibes  lol 

 

Garicelle didn’t do those things she’s just saying wanna be a lesbian be one do what makes you happy .. I mean how is that asshole  behavior?   .. it’s literally accept yourself and live your life .. only Kyle would flip that to be a bad thing 

Edited February 5 by Keywestclubkid

[nicole21290]

26 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

She brought it to the show yes .. she can’t suddenly say someone is being an asshole for responding to what she brought herself .. there was nothing private about Morgan till suddenly Morgan didn’t want to be part of it ..

Kyle did this no one else .. Kyle played up the rumors they shot a video playing with the rumors .. they were living for the rumors.. feeding each other getting matching tattoos it’s literally documented on this show and that tacky video they shot for her song being wait for it gay baiting lesbianish vibes  lol 

Garicelle didn’t do those things she’s just saying wanna be a lesbian be one do what makes you happy .. I mean how is that asshole  behavior?   .. it’s literally accept yourself and live your life .. only Kyle would flip that to be a bad thing 

She's not saying that. She actually defended Garcelle's curiosity as expressed in the first episode, that she understands why people had questions. What she thinks was an asshole move was using something Kyle said privately, off-camera for an on-camera moment. And no, Morgan's been pretty private. It's fair to say that she's even MORE private now (she has Kyle's name blocked in her IG comments, never comments on her posts), but she's only ever publicly talked about one relationship, has never addressed her sexuality, etc. 

What Kyle is hurt by isn't Garcelle responding or reacting to rumours or what was publicly out there. She's hurt that she trusted Garcelle, was vulnerable with her in a private discussion abourt her sexuality and that apparently Garcelle used what was shared in a scene for the show. People were absolutely just intepreting it as a jokey 'be yourself!' moment, but Kyle apparently relates it to a specific private conversation where she shared something. 

[Keywestclubkid]

2 minutes ago, nicole21290 said:

She's not saying that. She actually defended Garcelle's curiosity as expressed in the first episode, that she understands why people had questions. What she thinks was an asshole move was using something Kyle said privately, off-camera for an on-camera moment. And no, Morgan's been pretty private. It's fair to say that she's even MORE private now (she has Kyle's name blocked in her IG comments, never comments on her posts), but she's only ever publicly talked about one relationship, has never addressed her sexuality, etc. 

What Kyle is hurt by isn't Garcelle responding or reacting to rumours or what was publicly out there. She's hurt that she trusted Garcelle, was vulnerable with her in a private discussion abourt her sexuality and that apparently Garcelle used what was shared in a scene for the show. People were absolutely just intepreting it as a jokey 'be yourself!' moment, but Kyle apparently relates it to a specific private conversation where she shared something. 

Privately off camera the hypocrisy.. she literally drug Denise off camera private behavior onto the show … how is she still moving around being so full of crap and double standerds .. G didnt mention anything that was said OFF camera she literally just said wanna be a lesbian be one ... Kyle was pretending to be one seasons prior 

 

oh my god 

Edited February 5 by Keywestclubkid

[nicole21290]

1 minute ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Privately off camera the hypocrisy.. she literally drug Denise off camera private behavior onto the show … 

oh my god 

The cast have always shared things off-camera with the expectation that it doesn't come on-camera. We want them to have genuine friendships and that's part of that, for better or worse. With Denise, Brandi shared ON camera and therefore (unfortunately) they felt Denise should also address it on camera. I think it's totally fair for Kyle to be called a hypocrite, but I also think it's fair for her to be hurt that both Sutton and Garcelle apparently used things Kyle privately confided in them (regarding sexuality and infidelity) for a scene onscreen. 

[Keywestclubkid]

Kyle pretended to be a lesbian you can't watch that season and say she didnt play up the styck... she brought this then tried to cry fowl .... nope you opened this box it's fair game 

[nicole21290]

19 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Kyle pretended to be a lesbian you can't watch that season and say she didnt play up the styck... she brought this then tried to cry fowl .... nope you opened this box it's fair game 

How did she "pretend to be a lesbian"? And how exactly do you do that besides saying you're a lesbian when you're not? She hasn't yet defined her sexuality and spending time with someone perceived as queer because of how they look isn't 'evidence' of anything. 

As I've said, she doesn't take issue with peoples' curiosity over what they saw last season. She is taking issue with Garcelle apparently bringing something on camera that had been shared with her privately off-camera. 

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Privately off camera the hypocrisy.. she literally drug Denise off camera private behavior onto the show … how is she still moving around being so full of crap and double standerds .. G didnt mention anything that was said OFF camera she literally just said wanna be a lesbian be one ... Kyle was pretending to be one seasons prior 

 

oh my god 

Yeah it's odd. Kyle is sort of acting like if it weren't for this private conversation, that the Garcelle thing would have come out of nowhere. It wasn't like Garcelle spilled anything or grilled her about her sexuality. 

Regarding Denise, yes Brandi shared on camera, seemed kind of summoned over by Kyle to do so. Then whatever Denise said, it wasn't good enough for Kyle & co, kind of like Lisa's answers regarding puppy-gate.

[nicole21290]

3 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

Yeah it's odd. Kyle is sort of acting like if it weren't for this private conversation, that the Garcelle thing would have come out of nowhere. It wasn't like Garcelle spilled anything or grilled her about her sexuality. 

Regarding Denise, yes Brandi shared on camera, seemed kind of summoned over by Kyle to do so. Then whatever Denise said, it wasn't good enough for Kyle & co, kind of like Lisa's answers regarding puppy-gate.

This is VERY VERY much a hypothetical, but if Kyle had said something to Garcelle about considering whether she might actually be a lesbian and then Garcelle says out loud on camera, "If you want to be a lesbian, be a lesbian", would that not be rather more pointed and feel more exposing to Kyle than how everyone has taken the comment? It's about trust to her, regardless, As with Sutton, it appears she wanted to deepen those relationships offscreen, confided in them about very personal things, and then they used those conversations, even if not overtly or explicitly, to try and get responses from her on camera. 

[Natalie68]

17 hours ago, nicole21290 said:

She's not saying that. She actually defended Garcelle's curiosity as expressed in the first episode, that she understands why people had questions. What she thinks was an asshole move was using something Kyle said privately, off-camera for an on-camera moment. And no, Morgan's been pretty private. It's fair to say that she's even MORE private now (she has Kyle's name blocked in her IG comments, never comments on her posts), but she's only ever publicly talked about one relationship, has never addressed her sexuality, etc. 

What Kyle is hurt by isn't Garcelle responding or reacting to rumours or what was publicly out there. She's hurt that she trusted Garcelle, was vulnerable with her in a private discussion abourt her sexuality and that apparently Garcelle used what was shared in a scene for the show. People were absolutely just intepreting it as a jokey 'be yourself!' moment, but Kyle apparently relates it to a specific private conversation where she shared something. 

Come on.  Kyle is the master at getting others private matters on air.  The scene with Teddi, Brandi and Kim outing Denise was not organic.  Kyle wanted it on air so it could be discussed.  She was peeved at Denise for a reason I cannot recall so it was payback.  If Morgan isn't comfortable with the attention and speculation about her sexuality, perhaps the video with Kyle was a bad idea.  Or Kyle being coy.  Cannot have it both ways.

[snarts]

Kyle herself introduced & used her separation from Mo  & "friendship" with Morgan as a storyline only to turn around & play victim when/if anyone dares mention or ask about them.

It's extremely hypocritical in light of how she's treated her castmates over the years, demanding full transparency & offering zero grace. 

The old idiom "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" comes to mind. Kyle should expect to receive the exact same treatment she afforded LVP, Denise, Dorit, etc. but instead cries foul, turns on the waterworks or runs away.

I have zero sympathy. If she wants to be on a reality show, she should expect scrutiny. 

[Keywestclubkid]

28 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

Come on.  Kyle is the master at getting others private matters on air.  The scene with Teddi, Brandi and Kim outing Denise was not organic.  Kyle wanted it on air so it could be discussed.  She was peeved at Denise for a reason I cannot recall so it was payback.  If Morgan isn't comfortable with the attention and speculation about her sexuality, perhaps the video with Kyle was a bad idea.  Or Kyle being coy.  Cannot have it both ways.

 

17 minutes ago, snarts said:

Kyle herself introduced & used her separation from Mo  & "friendship" with Morgan as a storyline only to turn around & play victim when/if anyone dares mention or ask about them.

It's extremely hypocritical in light of how she's treated her castmates over the years, demanding full transparency & offering zero grace. 

The old idiom "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" comes to mind. Kyle should expect to receive the exact same treatment she afforded LVP, Denise, Dorit, etc. but instead cries foul, turns on the waterworks or runs away.

I have zero sympathy. If she wants to be on a reality show, she should expect scrutiny. 

thank you guys i was like am i going crazy? like so its ok and excuses are made for Kyles behavior on why its NOT the same when its the exact same behavior she's now bitching about not being nice and fair  .. just when kyle does it its ok 

Edited February 6 by Keywestclubkid

[snarts]

17 hours ago, nicole21290 said:

How did she "pretend to be a lesbian"? And how exactly do you do that besides saying you're a lesbian when you're not?

[Keywestclubkid]

56 minutes ago, snarts said:

THANK YOU ..

 

queerbaiting" when creators in media hint at LGBTQ+ relationships for audience appeal without ever fully depicting them, essentially exploiting queer representation for profit without authentically representing it. 

 

queerbaiting : noun: queerbaiting;

1.the incorporation of apparently gay characters or same-sex relationships into a film, television show, etc. as a means of appealing to gay and bisexual audiences while maintaining ambiguity about the characters' sexuality.

 

Which is 100% what they BOTH were doing .. you dont do this shit then pretend you dont know why people are asking if you are gay ... so either you are and this is authentic or you used a whole group of people to try to sell your shitty music and tv show to pretending to be one of them to get the publicity and attention ...

 

playing dumb to this doesn’t make it not true 

Edited February 6 by Keywestclubkid

[Keywestclubkid]

oh oh oh and singing that totally inappropriate song at kyles friends celebration of life.....the woman in me needs the lover in you blah blah blah ... what the hell was that about esp during a time when someone killed themselves whose idea was it for her to sing THAT song while Kyle fan girled out and acted like a groupie during it ...

 

 

[nicole21290]

4 hours ago, snarts said:

Kyle herself introduced & used her separation from Mo  & "friendship" with Morgan as a storyline only to turn around & play victim when/if anyone dares mention or ask about them.

It's extremely hypocritical in light of how she's treated her castmates over the years, demanding full transparency & offering zero grace. 

The old idiom "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" comes to mind. Kyle should expect to receive the exact same treatment she afforded LVP, Denise, Dorit, etc. but instead cries foul, turns on the waterworks or runs away.

I have zero sympathy. If she wants to be on a reality show, she should expect scrutiny. 

She's not playing victim when she's asked about Morgan. In fact, she said she totally understood the curiosity and defended Garcelle's approach and questions in Episode 1 when asked about it. However, that's different than using a private conversation. We want real friendships on this show and that requires them to have trust and be able to share things without the expectation that it gets televised. Maybe it's naive to imagine that can still happen, but it's been the norm for RHOBH this entire run, so I'm not surprised that Kyle felt hurt.

I think it's totally fine to accuse her of hypocrisy or double standards, but I'm not personally here for the way there's such an expectation that she shares information or definition of her sexuality that she's not willing or ready to share - completely regardless of what she shared privately or showed onscreen previously. The only time she has run away this season was about the text to PK - nothing to do with intrustion into her personal life regarding either Morgan or Mauricio.

3 hours ago, snarts said:

I'm sorry, this is 'evidence' of a romantic or sexual relationship? The photo on Kyle's lap, Morgan also posted photos of her on the laps of their other friends. One of these is a music video where they were acting. One is them taking a selfie. And one is a tattoo of a cowboy hat, which is something Kyle had an affinity for long before she ever met Morgan. The rings? Yes, I think they're indicative of *something* though I won't define it myself.

2 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

THANK YOU ..

queerbaiting" when creators in media hint at LGBTQ+ relationships for audience appeal without ever fully depicting them, essentially exploiting queer representation for profit without authentically representing it. 

queerbaiting : noun: queerbaiting;

1.the incorporation of apparently gay characters or same-sex relationships into a film, television show, etc. as a means of appealing to gay and bisexual audiences while maintaining ambiguity about the characters' sexuality.

Which is 100% what they BOTH were doing .. you dont do this shit then pretend you dont know why people are asking if you are gay ... so either you are and this is authentic or you used a whole group of people to try to sell your shitty music and tv show to pretending to be one of them to get the publicity and attention ...

playing dumb to this doesn’t make it not true 

Queerbaiting refers to what a creator does within media and does not apply to real life human beings. Literally, your definition above is about this. I would ask you to please look into this and the damage that can be done when people apply the same 'rules' - Kit O'Connor, Becky Albertalli, etc. People are being forced out of the closet or having to acknowledge their identities before they're sure, before they're ready, all because audiences feel 'entitled' based on the fact that they wrote a queer book or acted a queer character.

Morgan does not feel people are entitled to information about her sexuality (although one ex-girlfriend has talked about her), and Kyle has talked openly about questoning her sexuality now. Who is pretending what exactly?! 

33 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

oh oh oh and singing that totally inappropriate song at kyles friends celebration of life.....the woman in me needs the lover in you blah blah blah ... what the hell was that about esp during a time when someone killed themselves whose idea was it for her to sing THAT song while Kyle fan girled out and acted like a groupie during it ...

That celebration of life was a fundraiser by NAMI in honour of Kyle's friend a year after her passing. Like many such fundraiser, an artist performed a full set. In this case, Morgan sang more than two songs and also talked about her own history with mental health and suicidal ideation (things she has also written songs about - see The Night, The Night Part 2, 27 Club, etc). The two songs production chose to highlight are her two most famous and were written prior to knowing Kyle. 

[Keywestclubkid]

12 minutes ago, nicole21290 said:

She's not playing victim when she's asked about Morgan. In fact, she said she totally understood the curiosity and defended Garcelle's approach and questions in Episode 1 when asked about it. However, that's different than using a private conversation. We want real friendships on this show and that requires them to have trust and be able to share things without the expectation that it gets televised. Maybe it's naive to imagine that can still happen, but it's been the norm for RHOBH this entire run, so I'm not surprised that Kyle felt hurt.

I think it's totally fine to accuse her of hypocrisy or double standards, but I'm not personally here for the way there's such an expectation that she shares information or definition of her sexuality that she's not willing or ready to share - completely regardless of what she shared privately or showed onscreen previously. The only time she has run away this season was about the text to PK - nothing to do with intrustion into her personal life regarding either Morgan or Mauricio.

I'm sorry, this is 'evidence' of a romantic or sexual relationship? The photo on Kyle's lap, Morgan also posted photos of her on the laps of their other friends. One of these is a music video where they were acting. One is them taking a selfie. And one is a tattoo of a cowboy hat, which is something Kyle had an affinity for long before she ever met Morgan. The rings? Yes, I think they're indicative of *something* though I won't define it myself.

Queerbaiting refers to what a creator does within media and does not apply to real life human beings. Literally, your definition above is about this. I would ask you to please look into this and the damage that can be done when people apply the same 'rules' - Kit O'Connor, Becky Albertalli, etc. People are being forced out of the closet or having to acknowledge their identities before they're sure, before they're ready, all because audiences feel 'entitled' based on the fact that they wrote a queer book or acted a queer character.

Morgan does not feel people are entitled to information about her sexuality (although one ex-girlfriend has talked about her), and Kyle has talked openly about questoning her sexuality now. Who is pretending what exactly?! 

That celebration of life was a fundraiser by NAMI in honour of Kyle's friend a year after her passing. Like many such fundraiser, an artist performed a full set. In this case, Morgan sang more than two songs and also talked about her own history with mental health and suicidal ideation (things she has also written songs about - see The Night, The Night Part 2, 27 Club, etc). The two songs production chose to highlight are her two most famous and were written prior to knowing Kyle. 

You will make every excuse for what she did .. make all the excuses she queerbaited. You can try to say no all you want I am queer I know what it is and was 

 

we get used and it’s patronizing the excuses for trying to say it’s not clearly what it is especially when it’s directed towards my own community .. I honestly feel like I’m being gaslighted here … no don’t believe your eyes and the evidence .. I just can’t respond anymore .. 

Edited February 6 by Keywestclubkid

[nicole21290]

4 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

You will make every excuse for what she did .. make all the excuses she queerbaited. You can try to say no all you want I am queer I know what it is and was 

 

we get used and it’s patronizing the excuses for trying to say it’s not clearly what it is especially when it’s directed towards my own community 

I'm not making excuses. I'm explaining. Again, I would encourage you to look into the dangers of accusing real life people of queerbaiting.

Also, I'm a lesbian (and therefore it's also my own community), so I'm not sure why my perspective is apparently so much less valid? 

[Pattycake2]

On 2/5/2025 at 6:28 PM, nicole21290 said:

She's not saying that. She actually defended Garcelle's curiosity as expressed in the first episode, that she understands why people had questions. What she thinks was an asshole move was using something Kyle said privately, off-camera for an on-camera moment. And no, Morgan's been pretty private. It's fair to say that she's even MORE private now (she has Kyle's name blocked in her IG comments, never comments on her posts), but she's only ever publicly talked about one relationship, has never addressed her sexuality, etc. 

What Kyle is hurt by isn't Garcelle responding or reacting to rumours or what was publicly out there. She's hurt that she trusted Garcelle, was vulnerable with her in a private discussion abourt her sexuality and that apparently Garcelle used what was shared in a scene for the show. People were absolutely just intepreting it as a jokey 'be yourself!' moment, but Kyle apparently relates it to a specific private conversation where she shared something. 

Or, Garcelle believed that Kyle’s private and vulnerable conversation with her was just a ploy to try to bring her over to Kyle’s side. And Garcelle’s on camera comment was a way to let Kyle know that she wasn’t buying it.   Shades of Kyle asking some of the girls to the restaurant to explain herself.  No one bought that either.

[nicole21290]

2 hours ago, Pattycake2 said:

Or, Garcelle believed that Kyle’s private and vulnerable conversation with her was just a ploy to try to bring her over to Kyle’s side. And Garcelle’s on camera comment was a way to let Kyle know that she wasn’t buying it.   Shades of Kyle asking some of the girls to the restaurant to explain herself.  No one bought that either.

Well, that would be incredibly cynical and a bit of a risk to take considering it wasn't just about an apology but something private about her sexuality. Not exactly comparable, IMO... 

[princelina]

6 hours ago, nicole21290 said:

She's not playing victim when she's asked about Morgan. In fact, she said she totally understood the curiosity and defended Garcelle's approach and questions in Episode 1 when asked about it. However, that's different than using a private conversation. We want real friendships on this show and that requires them to have trust and be able to share things without the expectation that it gets televised. Maybe it's naive to imagine that can still happen, but it's been the norm for RHOBH this entire run, so I'm not surprised that Kyle felt hurt.
 

Kyle deliberately spilled a drink on Dorit at the Bravo show, and when Dorit laughingly said that Kathy was now her favorite sister Kyle "felt hurt".  She and Garcelle are not real friends because Garcelle has never liked her since her first season.  Kyle was surprised about that at the time, but has had years to get over it.

 

Morgan does not feel people are entitled to information about her sexuality (although one ex-girlfriend has talked about her), and Kyle has talked openly about questioning her sexuality now. Who is pretending what exactly?! 

IMO Kyle and Morgan have been pretending a lesbian affair for fame and notoriety the entire time.  With coy hints so they can deny it in the future.  I get what @Keywestclubkid means about queerbaiting, even if that is not "my community" so I'm not sensitive to that.  I just think it's ridiculous that Kyle would think anyone believes it's true 😄. But I am sensitive to, for example, people doing fake "fertility" stories, as that's something that affects me and I don't like it.  (Talking to you, BOZ).  So I can understand the comparison.

 

[nicole21290]

38 minutes ago, princelina said:

Kyle deliberately spilled a drink on Dorit at the Bravo show, and when Dorit laughingly said that Kathy was now her favorite sister Kyle "felt hurt".  She and Garcelle are not real friends because Garcelle has never liked her since her first season.  Kyle was surprised about that at the time, but has had years to get over it.

 

IMO Kyle and Morgan have been pretending a lesbian affair for fame and notoriety the entire time.  With coy hints so they can deny it in the future.  I get what @Keywestclubkid means about queerbaiting, even if that is not "my community" so I'm not sensitive to that.  I just think it's ridiculous that Kyle would think anyone believes it's true 😄. But I am sensitive to, for example, people doing fake "fertility" stories, as that's something that affects me and I don't like it.  (Talking to you, BOZ).  So I can understand the comparison.

I'm not sure what the BravoCon/Dorit situation has to do with anything? Clearly that wasn't the biggest issue Kyle had and I wish it wasn't the one highlighted so often because yes, that was a reach even if I think it was because it played into Kyle's existing feeling that Dorit was willing to publicly side with Kathy over her. Garcelle said prior to the season that she felt she and Kyle always had a very surface level friendship but she felt it had deepened because Kyle had confided in her more. If she takes those deeper conversations when Kyle is trying to build the friendship off-camera and uses them to score points or make a good scene, that sucks, IMO.

Both of them have literally denied being in a relationship, though? Morgan has zero interest in being talked about in any way that is associated with Kyle publicly and related to the show, and even Kyle rarely posts when they spend time together (for example, Kyle is currently in Nashville - someone was on the same plane as her going straight from NYC to there Tuesday night, even though Morgan's concert isn't until Friday). Exactly what is being 'pretended'? I AM part of the community and I stand by what I said about how real people can't queerbait. Kyle has now talked quite a bit about questioning her sexuality and that journey for herself (being on autopilot and only realising these past few years that she has her own thoughts, beliefs and new feelings about things including her sexuality), so I'm not sure what's so unbelievable... 

[princelina]

37 minutes ago, nicole21290 said:

I'm not sure what the BravoCon/Dorit situation has to do with anything? Clearly that wasn't the biggest issue Kyle had and I wish it wasn't the one highlighted so often because yes, that was a reach even if I think it was because it played into Kyle's existing feeling that Dorit was willing to publicly side with Kathy over her. Garcelle said prior to the season that she felt she and Kyle always had a very surface level friendship but she felt it had deepened because Kyle had confided in her more. If she takes those deeper conversations when Kyle is trying to build the friendship off-camera and uses them to score points or make a good scene, that sucks, IMO.

Both of them have literally denied being in a relationship, though? Morgan has zero interest in being talked about in any way that is associated with Kyle publicly and related to the show, and even Kyle rarely posts when they spend time together (for example, Kyle is currently in Nashville - someone was on the same plane as her going straight from NYC to there Tuesday night, even though Morgan's concert isn't until Friday). Exactly what is being 'pretended'? I AM part of the community and I stand by what I said about how real people can't queerbait. Kyle has now talked quite a bit about questioning her sexuality and that journey for herself (being on autopilot and only realising these past few years that she has her own thoughts, beliefs and new feelings about things including her sexuality), so I'm not sure what's so unbelievable... 

The Bravocon/Dorit situation has to do with the fact that Kyle may "feel" a way that doesn't seem reasonable.  Again I'll say that Kyle has no reason to think Garcelle is her friend.  And of course Kyle and Morgan have both denied being in a relationship, because they were never in one.  I find it unbelievable based on watching Kyle on this show for a decade.  I do find it believable that they could behave in a certain way for clicks and attention.  I would include Kyle's talk about "questioning her sexuality" under that umbrella.  **For the record, I have always liked Kyle and stick up for her on here over her horrible sisters all the time.  But I didn't buy what she was selling last year (fake lesbianism) and I'm just pointing out that she was selling it.

[nicole21290]

40 minutes ago, princelina said:

The Bravocon/Dorit situation has to do with the fact that Kyle may "feel" a way that doesn't seem reasonable.  Again I'll say that Kyle has no reason to think Garcelle is her friend.  And of course Kyle and Morgan have both denied being in a relationship, because they were never in one.  I find it unbelievable based on watching Kyle on this show for a decade.  I do find it believable that they could behave in a certain way for clicks and attention.  I would include Kyle's talk about "questioning her sexuality" under that umbrella.  **For the record, I have always liked Kyle and stick up for her on here over her horrible sisters all the time.  But I didn't buy what she was selling last year (fake lesbianism) and I'm just pointing out that she was selling it.

She never claimed to be a lesbian, so what is this 'fake lesbianism' that you speak of?

Do you believe her that she talked to her daughters about her sexuality, about her changing feelings and what was "sparked" in her, and felt 'accepted' by them? If her conclusion after some time of 'questioning' was just 'yeah, am just straight' WHY did she have that conversation with them? And why did they then feel okay about teasing her about what was said? And why is she still speaking about her 'journey' and 'figuring things out' in the present tense? You think all of that is just a lie? 

[princelina]

33 minutes ago, nicole21290 said:

She never claimed to be a lesbian, so what is this 'fake lesbianism' that you speak of?

Do you believe her that she talked to her daughters about her sexuality, about her changing feelings and what was "sparked" in her, and felt 'accepted' by them? If her conclusion after some time of 'questioning' was just 'yeah, am just straight' WHY did she have that conversation with them? And why did they then feel okay about teasing her about what was said? And why is she still speaking about her 'journey' and 'figuring things out' in the present tense? You think all of that is just a lie? 

Yes.

[hoodooznoodooz]

I think we have a troll, guys.

[nicole21290]

27 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I think we have a troll, guys.

I'm not. But I'll bow out. Apologies. 

[Keywestclubkid]

9 hours ago, princelina said:

Yes.

This part we have seen what Kyle WILL do to make a storyline for this show 

 

like refilming her telling her daughters her an Mo are separated so they could have it ON camera 

 

yes I 100% believe she would use a fake lesbian storyline.

It comes across as she thought she could use the “controversy” has a cute way to deflect from Moe because lesbians are more accepted in society cause straight men have this weird fantasy that even tho they are lesbian they have a chance and its used to promote stuff towards them (and thought oh it’ll be taboo and cute and it will give us attention not thinking trying to glob onto using a sexuality that isnt yours but people seem to find fascinating as harmful to that community and acting like its a choice ... ITS NOT A CHOICE ) but then when the actual questions started popping up and Morgan was getting blowback suddenly it was like she was never “questioning” her sexuality at all .. 

at the end of the day it ends up harming a whole community while she gets to play coy and act like it doesn't matter. Playing with this shit like it doesn't have consequences  is why people think being gay is a choice 

 Do you honestly think we would chose to be hated and ridiculed and have people who don't even know us want to cause harm to us for no other reason then we are gay? what do we get out of that?

 I would LOVE to be like "everyone" else  (IE you straight people) and not have to worry about walking down the street holding my bfs hand just like you all  get to do and not hearing F@g hurled at us by some random driving by.. or being attacked by a car full of muscle guys just walking around a corner while they screamed homophobic shit while they all surrounded me and started punching just because they drove by and saw me walking alone (yes its happened)

No one would willfully chose to be different and have that shit hurled at you.. to live authentic to ourselves even today especially in certain parts of the country still could get you seriously hurt or killed  its not something we can take lightly its life or death for some of us ... and Kyle playing with that is DANGEROUS and this is why this triggers me so much the damage she COULD do with it .. now fans of the show will be like see if she didn't have to be a lesbian you don't have to be gay ...

 

it’s total bullshit 

 

 

IF she was actually authentically questioning her sexuality (which is fine) why is she NOW pretending it never happened and Morgan suddenly doesn’t exist? There is literally NOTHING wrong with questioning about something you thought you had to hide from your friends and family … there is something wrong with using a group of people and their community as a prop then trying to pretend no that “storyline” never happened ..

 

it’s super disrespectful and almost feels like she is now trying to distance herself from it by white washing/gasligting it ever happened 

ITS NOT something to play with for a "reality" show

 

we are NOT a prop 

we are NOT an accessory 

we are not something to be used for  attention or publicity or something that is trendy 

we are Human Beings 

Edited February 7 by Keywestclubkid
sorry for some many edits but this really is something that some of us have to live with and not a game

[hoodooznoodooz]

@Keywestclubkid

 

Thank you for describing some of what you experience and experienced. 
 

My heart breaks for you. I would have tried to protect you with every ounce of my being.
 

You are such a thoughtful, compassionate, fair person. I have a 15-year-old son. I would love for him to grow up to be someone like you. You are exemplary and exceptional in how you perceive others and how to interact with them.

 

 

[Keywestclubkid]

13 hours ago, nicole21290 said:

I'm not. But I'll bow out. Apologies. 

Don’t bow out .. every opinion is valid .. it just seems you are super ride or die for Kyle which is fine we all have that housewife we go to the mat for .. 

 

we just won’t agree on this and that’s ok .. we don’t have to .. you are definitely welcome to keep posting it’s just as much your board as it is ours .. just for this topic I bow out with responding ❤️❤️

Edited February 7 by Keywestclubkid
Ride or die not rude or die lol

[Baltimore Betty]

@Keywestclubkid I feel like Brynn from NY used her climbing all over Jenna, getting in bed with her, kissing her, etc...as a prop and it was just so performative. 

Kyle is/was trying to have a storyline that involved somebody who does not want to be on camera, we have no way of knowing what her true feelings are towards she who shall not be mentioned. I do think we would be happy for her if she could be open and honest and own it but we probably will never get close to a real answer.

Whatever Kyle does with SWSNBM I hope they do not have that experience that you have had to endure.  

 

 

 

[Keywestclubkid]

4 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

@Keywestclubkid I feel like Brynn from NY used her climbing all over Jenna, getting in bed with her, kissing her, etc...as a prop and it was just so performative. 

Kyle is/was trying to have a storyline that involved somebody who does not want to be on camera, we have no way of knowing what her true feelings are towards she who shall not be mentioned. I do think we would be happy for her if she could be open and honest and own it but we probably will never get close to a real answer.

Whatever Kyle does with SWSNBM I hope they do not have that experience that you have had to endure.  

 

 

 

Fair point .. it’s just the total shutdown makes it seem like she either regrets it and thinks she did something wrong or it wasn’t “real” at all .. 

if it’s the first I truly feel heartbreak for that because everyone deserves happiness and love .. 

 

just the way she went about it on the show now seems performative and I hate that too for the reason I have expressed probably to much in this thread lol 

 

and my wish is that she does find happiness even if she does annoy the hell out of me 

6 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

@Keywestclubkid

 

Thank you for describing some of what you experience and experienced. 
 

My heart breaks for you. I would have tried to protect you with every ounce of my being.
 

You are such a thoughtful, compassionate, fair person. I have a 15-year-old son. I would love for him to grow up to be someone like you. You are exemplary and exceptional in how you perceive others and how to interact with them.

 

 

You’re to sweet .. thank you for the kind words 

[RealHousewife]

@Keywestclubkid I'm so sorry for what you've gone through. I have never understood how anyone could have it in their hearts to harass and harm innocent people. You deserve to have love and feel safe holding your partner's hand anywhere. 

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

@Keywestclubkid I feel like Brynn from NY used her climbing all over Jenna, getting in bed with her, kissing her, etc...as a prop and it was just so performative. 

Kyle is/was trying to have a storyline that involved somebody who does not want to be on camera, we have no way of knowing what her true feelings are towards she who shall not be mentioned. I do think we would be happy for her if she could be open and honest and own it but we probably will never get close to a real answer.

Whatever Kyle does with SWSNBM I hope they do not have that experience that you have had to endure.  

Brynn seems to think it's appropriate to be all over Jenna just because she's a woman. It's gross. I'm not LGBT myself, and another thing I can't figure out is why some straight people seem to assume gay people want to sleep with anyone of the same sex. It makes no sense, and I totally get why it's offensive, especially when people like Brynn get handsy. It does all strike me as performative.

With Kyle, I do stand by my posts of her "teasing" the same storylines for two years now, but I actually don't think her questioning her sexuality is fake. She mentioned that none of this stuff is not how she was raised. That leads me to believe she might still be struggling with acceptance, wondering what Big Kathy would think, etc. Who knows. This is just the impression I have as a cis-gendered straight woman who is sensitive to the fact that there is still a lot of hatred out there. 

Same. If Kyle really is bi or gay, I wish her all the love and acceptance in the world. 

[nicole21290]

14 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

This part we have seen what Kyle WILL do to make a storyline for this show 

like refilming her telling her daughters her an Mo are separated so they could have it ON camera 

yes I 100% believe she would use a fake lesbian storyline.

It comes across as she thought she could use the “controversy” has a cute way to deflect from Moe because lesbians are more accepted in society cause straight men have this weird fantasy that even tho they are lesbian they have a chance and its used to promote stuff towards them (and thought oh it’ll be taboo and cute and it will give us attention not thinking trying to glob onto using a sexuality that isnt yours but people seem to find fascinating as harmful to that community and acting like its a choice ... ITS NOT A CHOICE ) but then when the actual questions started popping up and Morgan was getting blowback suddenly it was like she was never “questioning” her sexuality at all .. 

at the end of the day it ends up harming a whole community while she gets to play coy and act like it doesn't matter. Playing with this shit like it doesn't have consequences  is why people think being gay is a choice 

 Do you honestly think we would chose to be hated and ridiculed and have people who don't even know us want to cause harm to us for no other reason then we are gay? what do we get out of that?

 I would LOVE to be like "everyone" else  (IE you straight people) and not have to worry about walking down the street holding my bfs hand just like you all  get to do and not hearing F@g hurled at us by some random driving by.. or being attacked by a car full of muscle guys just walking around a corner while they screamed homophobic shit while they all surrounded me and started punching just because they drove by and saw me walking alone (yes its happened)

No one would willfully chose to be different and have that shit hurled at you.. to live authentic to ourselves even today especially in certain parts of the country still could get you seriously hurt or killed  its not something we can take lightly its life or death for some of us ... and Kyle playing with that is DANGEROUS and this is why this triggers me so much the damage she COULD do with it .. now fans of the show will be like see if she didn't have to be a lesbian you don't have to be gay ...

it’s total bullshit 

IF she was actually authentically questioning her sexuality (which is fine) why is she NOW pretending it never happened and Morgan suddenly doesn’t exist? There is literally NOTHING wrong with questioning about something you thought you had to hide from your friends and family … there is something wrong with using a group of people and their community as a prop then trying to pretend no that “storyline” never happened ..

it’s super disrespectful and almost feels like she is now trying to distance herself from it by white washing/gasligting it ever happened 

ITS NOT something to play with for a "reality" show

we are NOT a prop 

we are NOT an accessory 

we are not something to be used for  attention or publicity or something that is trendy 

we are Human Beings 

I hope I'm okay to reply again? I really don't mean to cause a problem or further pain, so feel free to ignore if that is the case. I just want to say I'm so, so, so sorry that you've gone through all of that. I'm actually a lesbian and didn't realise until my thirties due to an extremely religious, homophobic upbringing full of comphet. Five years later, I'm still not out to anybody offline. So I understand, I do. 

I would like to point out that they didn't re-film them 'telling' their daughters about the separation. It wasn't intended to come across that way, I don't think - she even says onscreen that it's been weeks since the separation news and that it's an opportunity for them to ask any further questions or ask for clarity. She also spoke about it in an interview, saying when they sign on for the show, it does mean having to do certain things you don't want to, but that she checked with all her daughters and if ANY of them had had misgivings about filming that scene, she would've said no to doing it. 

It has been about two a half years since she showed up at the S12 reunion wearing her matching Tiffany ring (that Morgan also has) right below her engagement ring. By that point, she has also had a matching heart tattoo that "means something". This was nine months before the media or Bravo blogs ever really took a public look at their relationship or speculated it was the cause of the separation. When the actual questions started being asked, she denied they were in a relationship but all the quotes about her specifically questioning her sexuality, talking to her daughters about her new "feelings" and their acceptance, her position on speculating about those who aren't out, etc? That was all a couple of months ago, just before the new season aired. She hasn't backtracked from that position at all, and in fact seemed to be suggesting just last week that Garcelle telling her "be a lesbian if you want to be a lesbian" was specifically a reference to a private, deep conversation they'd had that meant a lot to Kyle. She's also said that some of the rumours weren't true but that some WERE.

I don't think she's playing coy at all, and I think she's in a hard position (her hands are tied, she has said) because she is trying to speak to her own "journey" but also knows she can't speak for anyone else's sexual orientation (ie. Morgan's) so has to be careful how any of this is addressed because, at this point, the speculation around her sexuality is intrinsically linked to the speculation about the nature of her relationship with Morgan. And Morgan does NOT want that to be the case. She's 'pretending Morgan doesn't exist' because that is what Morgan wants. She is not out and her sobriety was almost threatened in the wake of the speculation in 2023. They still spend lots of time together (Kyle flew straight to Nashville after WWHL on Tuesday night and is still there) so she's trying to distance herself from the Morgan of it all, but not the question of sexuality, IMO.

I totally understand why you have the position you have based on your own past experiences, and I have all the sympathy in the world for that, but for me, I would rather be proven wrong in what I'm saying now about Kyle than to publicly doubt her own words and invalidate the journey she says she's on. 

If anyone does have time and are interested, by the way, I did compile a document of the things Kyle has said about her sexuality - for reference. 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nC1SwVnSvYKHapZtf0GF2S8knnxrCuNuREX7XKc4SHY/edit?usp=sharing

“I can only speak to myself, I'm not here to speak about anyone else's sexual orientation. A lot of things in this last couple years made me see things differently. I just realized that I had one way of thinking, the way I was raised, and was just on autopilot. And all of a sudden I was like, 'Wait, I have my own thoughts, my own feelings that have nothing to do with the way I was raised or what I was taught and it's okay.' Whether that's getting a tattoo at my age or whatever, my sexual orientation, it's okay. Which is why I wanted to have that conversation with my daughters too, because that's not how I was raised at all. I want my daughters to always be comfortable being whoever they are and know that they're loved and supported no matter what.”

[Baltimore Betty]

On 2/7/2025 at 9:22 PM, nicole21290 said:

comphet

I had to Google the word.

It is hard to keep up with the vernacular of these times.

Life is short, you have to grab happiness when you can.

 

[Natalie68]

Bit of gossip from Behind the Velvet Rope re Morgan:

David said he went out to dinner with a bunch of his friends in the community in LA and they said what they have heard about Morgan.  That she has a history of going after wealthy older women.  Who knows.

[Baltimore Betty]

7 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

Bit of gossip from Behind the Velvet Rope re Morgan:

David said he went out to dinner with a bunch of his friends in the community in LA and they said what they have heard about Morgan.  That she has a history of going after wealthy older women.  Who knows.

A tale as old as time, I myself entertained the idea a few times in my single days, lol.

[Surrealist]

So, Kyle torpedoed her marriage for a golddigger who's young enough to be her daughter?

[Keywestclubkid]

11 hours ago, Surrealist said:

So, Kyle torpedoed her marriage for a golddigger who's young enough to be her daughter?

she doesn't know what you're talking about ... who's is this Morgan ... she has decided to rewrite that they ever met lol

[Surrealist]

51 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

she doesn't know what you're talking about ... who's is this Morgan ... she has decided to rewrite that they ever met lol

But let's talk about Denise Richards and her sex life. 🙄😂