First Looks: Upcoming Episodes

[zoeysmom]

5 hours ago, slitz said:

There's a video up now of Meghan and Jimmy finding out there's just the one baby.  I know lots of you are over Meghan's IVF/pregnancy storylne but dammit, this got to me.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-11/episode-13/videos/meghan-finds-out-shes-only-having

It was touching.  Shannon told a story about Jim and his love of kids.  She said last year when they were doing a photo shoot, Tamra had brought Ava.  While Tamra had her make up done, Jim held the baby for an hour.  She also said that her children are crazy about Jim.   

[Jextella]

David does not look happy.   For all her zen attempts, Shannon is the most high-strung of the wives and David is at the receiving end of things.  Cheating ain't the answer, but I get it.

[SCS]

8 hours ago, Jextella said:

David does not look happy.   For all her zen attempts, Shannon is the most high-strung of the wives and David is at the receiving end of things.  Cheating ain't the answer, but I get it.

Totally agree. Overall, I like Shannon but being around her for any extended time span would be exhausting. 

[Giselle]

I do find Shannon's voice grating when she is excited, or making a point using vocal emphasis. It's nails on the chalk board for me on par with Vicki's when she's mad. It's screaching. Hollering I can handle, screaching no.

[PhilMarlowe2]

Oh my God just when it seems like David is somewhat normal again, more tea about his messy affair gets spilled. And I cannot imagine Shannon is going to be happy about Vicki and Heather spilling all this tea on national TV!

[biakbiak]

1 hour ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

Oh my God just when it seems like David is somewhat normal again, more tea about his messy affair gets spilled. And I cannot imagine Shannon is going to be happy about Vicki and Heather spilling all this tea on national TV!

Eh, Heather states the reason she knows the info is because Shannon told her which is how I imagine Vicki knows not from the talk around town but because Shannon told her when they were friends and before Brooks was outed as faking cancer. 

[PhilMarlowe2]

8 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Eh, Heather states the reason she knows the info is because Shannon told her which is how I imagine Vicki knows not from the talk around town but because Shannon told her when they were friends and before Brooks was outed as faking cancer. 

Yes, it is clear Shannon told both of them. That doesn't mean she necessarily wanted it broadcast in front of the cameras.

Edited September 26, 2016 by PhilMarlowe2

[biakbiak]

9 minutes ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

Yes, it is clear Shannon told both of them. That doesn't mean she necessarily wanted it broadcast in front of the cameras.

 

9 minutes ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

Yes, it is clear Shannon told both of them. That doesn't mean she necessarily wanted it broadcast in front of the cameras.

Vicki clearly states that she heard this because the "OC" is a small town not that Shannon told her. Based on everything else that was spilt about his mistress at the time that she never seperated from her husband.  I think that is what Shannon might have thinking happened not actually based in reality.  If true then Shannon should have punched David in the face after his mom and sister started talking shit at the LOCK show. 

Edited September 26, 2016 by biakbiak

[zoeysmom]

3 minutes ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

Yes, it is clear Shannon told both of them. That doesn't mean she necessarily wanted it broadcast in front of the cameras.

I am confused, as Shannon was pretty clear when they had contact, and the woman was married with a family of her own.  I would be surprised if anyone in David's family actually knew he was having an affair, or invited her around knowing she was having an affair.  Not to say Shannon didn't say it, but it seems rather odd, heather would know about family dinners but not that Shannon had a bad relationship with her MIL.

[WireWrap]

20 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I am confused, as Shannon was pretty clear when they had contact, and the woman was married with a family of her own.  I would be surprised if anyone in David's family actually knew he was having an affair, or invited her around knowing she was having an affair.  Not to say Shannon didn't say it, but it seems rather odd, heather would know about family dinners but not that Shannon had a bad relationship with her MIL.

According to her, Shannon told her this and I believe her. Heather doesn't say anything about not knowing that Shannon/in-laws have a bad relationship to begin with, what she did say is that it would be devastating to learn that his family was also having a relationship with the Mistress on top of David cheating.

How cruel/nasty can a MIL be to not only her DIL but also to disrespect her grandkids by entertaining the other woman in her home while her son is stilled married/living with/sleeping with his wife. Sick!

[zoeysmom]

39 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

According to her, Shannon told her this and I believe her. Heather doesn't say anything about not knowing that Shannon/in-laws have a bad relationship to begin with, what she did say is that it would be devastating to learn that his family was also having a relationship with the Mistress on top of David cheating.

How cruel/nasty can a MIL be to not only her DIL but also to disrespect her grandkids by entertaining the other woman in her home while her son is stilled married/living with/sleeping with his wife. Sick!

I am thinking this married living with her husband woman wasn't trotting over to David's mom's house for dinner.  That just seems odd, was he there with his kids or her kids or just David's sister and David's mom.  I am wondering if perhaps Heather misunderstood. 

IIRC didn't the affair kind of freak out when David left Shannon and accuse David of stalking her?

[WireWrap]

3 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

I am thinking this married living with her husband woman wasn't trotting over to David's mom's house for dinner.  That just seems odd, was he there with his kids or her kids or just David's sister and David's mom.  I am wondering if perhaps Heather misunderstood. 

IIRC didn't the affair kind of freak out when David left Shannon and accuse David of stalking her?

Well, Shannon confirmed it, David/Mistress did go to his Mom's for dinners. Weird!!!!

[zoeysmom]

48 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Well, Shannon confirmed it, David/Mistress did go to his Mom's for dinners. Weird!!!!

Yuck

[MichelEliz]

Wrong page 

Edited September 27, 2016 by MichelEliz
Wrong page!

[biakbiak]

10 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Well, Shannon confirmed it, David/Mistress did go to his Mom's for dinners. Weird!!!!

Where? On her twitter she said it wasn't true.

[WireWrap]

11 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Where? On her twitter she said it wasn't true.

In a TH during the episode last night. She didn't deny it on twitter, IMO, she basically said that Vicki embellished things.

[biakbiak]

8 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

In a TH during the episode last night. She didn't deny it on twitter, IMO, she basically said that Vicki embellished things.

I can't link it for some reason but she stated "nope. Another Vicki lie." Responding to a question from a fan asking if it was true that David rook his mistress to meet his mother.

[WireWrap]

2 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

I can't link it for some reason but she stated "nope. Another Vicki lie." Responding to a question from a fan asking if it was true that David rook his mistress to meet his mother.

Here is the tweet and her response......

"

You'vegot_Mel ‏@MelanieHenshaw 12h12 hours ago

Now Vickie's spilling all of Shannon's secrets #RHOC

 

Tweet to @ShannonBeador

Send a Direct Message

 

Follow Following Unfollow Blocked Unblock Pending Cancel Shannon BeadorVerified account ‏@ShannonBeador 12h12 hours ago

@MelanieHenshaw That she made up...

 

She did confirm that David took his Mistress to his mothers for dinner on the show last night in a TH. IMO, she is disputing the rest of Vicki's comment's.....that David "was happier", that his sister and the Mistress became "good friends" and that she heard all this through gossip because the OC is small.

[biakbiak]

6 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Here is the tweet and her response......

"

You'vegot_Mel ‏@MelanieHenshaw 12h12 hours ago

Now Vickie's spilling all of Shannon's secrets #RHOC

 

Tweet to @ShannonBeador

Send a Direct Message

 

Follow Following Unfollow Blocked Unblock Pending Cancel Shannon BeadorVerified account ‏@ShannonBeador 12h12 hours ago

@MelanieHenshaw That she made up...

 

She did confirm that David took his Mistress to his mothers for dinner on the show last night in a TH. IMO, she is disputing the rest of Vicki's comment's.....that David "was happier", that his sister and the Mistress became "good friends" and that she heard all this through gossip because the OC is small.

Not the tweet I was referring to it was directly what I quoted.

[WireWrap]

4 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Not the tweet I was referring to it was directly what I quoted.

All I can say is go read her blog! She doesn't deny what you think she is there.

[biakbiak]

2 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

All I can say is go read her blog! She doesn't deny what you think she is there.

Here is the tweet. Seems unambiguous and I disagree with your interpretation of that line in her blog.

Edited September 27, 2016 by biakbiak

[motorcitymom65]

I watched the episode after reading the comments, so was waiting for the TH when Shannon confirmed that the MIL had dinner with the side piece. I never saw it.

I agree it probably happened, though, as Heather agreed with Vicki when she said it and mentioned that Shannon had told her the same thing. 

[WireWrap]

6 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I watched the episode after reading the comments, so was waiting for the TH when Shannon confirmed that the MIL had dinner with the side piece. I never saw it.

I agree it probably happened, though, as Heather agreed with Vicki when she said it and mentioned that Shannon had told her the same thing. 

Then exactly what did Shannon confirm in her TH about David/Mistress? I thought it was that they went to his mothers for dinners. LOL

[biakbiak]

3 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Then exactly what did Shannon confirm in her TH about David/Mistress? I thought it was that they went to his mothers for dinners. LOL

She just stated that all of them wanted David to leave her for the mistress which I believe she has mentioned in the past but that might have been in an interview and not the show.

Edited September 27, 2016 by biakbiak

[motorcitymom65]

6 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Then exactly what did Shannon confirm in her TH about David/Mistress? I thought it was that they went to his mothers for dinners. LOL

Good question. I'll try to see if I can find that part. 

[motorcitymom65]

13 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Then exactly what did Shannon confirm in her TH about David/Mistress? I thought it was that they went to his mothers for dinners. LOL

Ok, just watched that part again.  This is exactly Shannon says:

" I mean it's no secret that David's mom and his sisters wanted David to end up with his affair.  They all wanted him to leave me". 

So she didn't mention dinners, but she certainly made it sound like they knew this chick.  Unless David was just doing a major job of selling her to his family through conversation, I'm not sure why they would want him to end up with her if they had never met her. 

Shannon should be all kinds of mad at the MIL and sister, but David is so far from blameless.  My guess is he did say something about Shannon pushing him because he was so miserable in the marriage. Certainly for a guy who supposedly doesn't care for his family, he was hanging with them enough for them to like his girlfriend. 

[WireWrap]

16 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Ok, just watched that part again.  This is exactly Shannon says:

" I mean it's no secret that David's mom and his sisters wanted David to end up with his affair.  They all wanted him to leave me". 

So she didn't mention dinners, but she certainly made it sound like they knew this chick.  Unless David was just doing a major job of selling her to his family through conversation, I'm not sure why they would want him to end up with her if they had never met her. 

Shannon should be all kinds of mad at the MIL and sister, but David is so far from blameless.  My guess is he did say something about Shannon pushing him because he was so miserable in the marriage. Certainly for a guy who supposedly doesn't care for his family, he was hanging with them enough for them to like his girlfriend. 

Ok, Thanks. I guess that is why I got confused and thought she was talking about them having dinner with them. LOL

Also, Thanks biakbiak  for checking as well.

I suspect that the MIL/SIL did meet the Mistress and that David confided in them about her.

[motorcitymom65]

Ok, so Shannon has cleared it up on Twitter. She said that when Heather was agreeing, it was about David's sister, who did have the side piece over to dinners. She said that her MIL never had a family dinner. So basically, Vicki was technically wrong for saying it was the MIL, but the basic premise is the same - David brought his girlfriend around his family. 

[breezy424]

I hate the word 'mistress'.  It's so misogynistic.  They were lovers.  They are equals.

[zoeysmom]

Here is a first look at the battling Dodds.  I really don't care about their marriage.  Maybe Kelly should reach within and stop with the man talk to a woman crap.  http://www.allabouttrh.com/2016/09/28/rhoc-preview-kelly-michael-dodd-discuss-crumbling-marriage/  It should be about how people treat each other.

[breezy424]

53 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Here is a first look at the battling Dodds.  I really don't care about their marriage.  Maybe Kelly should reach within and stop with the man talk to a woman crap.  http://www.allabouttrh.com/2016/09/28/rhoc-preview-kelly-michael-dodd-discuss-crumbling-marriage/  It should be about how people treat each other.

Is Kelly wearing her daughter's bikini?  She looked ridiculous.  It's all Michael's fault?  Um, no, Kelly.  You're just as much a part of the problem.

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

Here is a first look at the battling Dodds.  I really don't care about their marriage.  Maybe Kelly should reach within and stop with the man talk to a woman crap.  http://www.allabouttrh.com/2016/09/28/rhoc-preview-kelly-michael-dodd-discuss-crumbling-marriage/  It should be about how people treat each other.

Kelly kept asking Michael why he "wanted to fight" her when she really needs to ask why she always wants to fight him first!

[heatherchandler]

On ‎9‎/‎27‎/‎2016 at 8:48 AM, WireWrap said:

In a TH during the episode last night. She didn't deny it on twitter, IMO, she basically said that Vicki embellished things.

Looks like she did deny it on twitter.  Vicki is such a liar. 

17 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Ok, so Shannon has cleared it up on Twitter. She said that when Heather was agreeing, it was about David's sister, who did have the side piece over to dinners. She said that her MIL never had a family dinner. So basically, Vicki was technically wrong for saying it was the MIL, but the basic premise is the same - David brought his girlfriend around his family. 

He didn't bring her to family dinners, Vicki is a liar.  I believe what happened was that the "mistress" befriended the sister.  Not that David brought her to dinner at the sister's house, but that the weasel mistress created a friendship with the sister independent of David.  Remember - she also was friends with Shannon at the time!

[zoeysmom]

14 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

Looks like she did deny it on twitter.  Vicki is such a liar. 

He didn't bring her to family dinners, Vicki is a liar.  I believe what happened was that the "mistress" befriended the sister.  Not that David brought her to dinner at the sister's house, but that the weasel mistress created a friendship with the sister independent of David.  Remember - she also was friends with Shannon at the time!

I get the impression because of Shannon and the affair's kids being on the same team there was some overlap.  The affair (Nicole) was married so I really don't see her courting David's family.  As soon as things got hot in the press Nicole claimed  David was obsessed with her. 

If though I think David's mom is totally inappropriate and I can see her saying when her son left his marriage she wanted him to be happy.  Would she want him to be unhappy?  I don't think Shannon had a friend in her MIL, but adult children make choices and her MIL should support her son's happiness.  The pushing David to an affair was out of bounds.  To me it sounds as if Vicki has strung a whole lot of stuff together to make some sort of relevant comment.

I am also laboring under the impression this is not the last we have heard of Vicki talking smack about David and Shannon's marriage and Shannon may not be totally debunking each Vicki statement until the relevant episode airs.  I think the blow out will be major.

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

I get the impression because of Shannon and the affair's kids being on the same team there was some overlap.  The affair (Nicole) was married so I really don't see her courting David's family.  As soon as things got hot in the press Nicole claimed  David was obsessed with her. 

If though I think David's mom is totally inappropriate and I can see her saying when her son left his marriage she wanted him to be happy.  Would she want him to be unhappy?  I don't think Shannon had a friend in her MIL, but adult children make choices and her MIL should support her son's happiness.  The pushing David to an affair was out of bounds.  To me it sounds as if Vicki has strung a whole lot of stuff together to make some sort of relevant comment.

I am also laboring under the impression this is not the last we have heard of Vicki talking smack about David and Shannon's marriage and Shannon may not be totally debunking each Vicki statement until the relevant episode airs.  I think the blow out will be major.

Shannon did confirm that the SIL and the other woman were friends, so there is a possibility there were some interactions with the MIL as well. Hopefully she, Shannon, will clear all of this up as the season progresses. The blow out preview with both Shannon and Tamra look big, really, really big! LOL

[zoeysmom]

26 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Shannon did confirm that the SIL and the other woman were friends, so there is a possibility there were some interactions with the MIL as well. Hopefully she, Shannon, will clear all of this up as the season progresses. The blow out preview with both Shannon and Tamra look big, really, really big! LOL

I believe Shannon and David were also neighbors with the affair's sister in law and brother in law. 

Because of so many misdirects by Bravo this year, I am question the context of the clips. 

[WireWrap]

1 minute ago, zoeysmom said:

I believe Shannon and David were also neighbors with the affair's sister in law and brother in law. 

Because of so many misdirects by Bravo this year, I am question the context of the clips. 

I agree. LOL

[Giselle]

15 hours ago, breezy424 said:

I hate the word 'mistress'.  It's so misogynistic.  They were lovers.  They are equals.

I don't think so, what she did was very misogynistic to shannon. I prefer fucking around asshole and marriage wrecking bitch.

Don't get me started on the premise that he cheated and not her. The bitch was just as guilty. She had no respect for the sanctity of their marriage and was an active participant in the deceit to the point of befriending shannon or betraying their friendship. 

Edited September 28, 2016 by Giselle

[breezy424]

I guess my point was missed but it was about the use of the word 'mistress'.  It's about the word itself - a woman other than his wife with whom a married man has a continuing sexual relationship.  'His' mistress.  Do we have an equal word for a man in the same situation?  Nope.  It's a 'special' name reserved just for women and has a specific female connotation.  Let's get into the 21st century.  Men and women are equal.  When referring to a married woman having an affair, it's her lover or her affair.  Keep the same for the man. 

Sorry, but the woman who David cheating with has no obligation to the sanctity of David and Shannon's marriage.  David made the vow, not his affair.  Just as David had no obligation to the sanctity of his affair and her husband.  If this woman and her husband had an agreement of fidelity, then that is on her.  I don't know to what extent what this woman's friendship with Shannon was.  If they were truly friends, then, of course, the friendship would come into play.

In any event, my comment about 'mistress' really had nothing to do specifically with David and Shannon.  It was about the use of the word 'mistress'.

Edited September 29, 2016 by breezy424

[WireWrap]

10 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

I guess my point was missed but it was about the use of the word 'mistress'.  It's about the word itself - a woman other than his wife with whom a married man has a continuing sexual relationship.  'His' mistress.  Do we have an equal word for a man in the same situation?  Nope.  It's a 'special' name reserved just for women and has a specific female connotation.  Let's get into the 21st century.  Men and women are equal.  When referring to a married woman having an affair, it's her lover or her affair.  Keep the same for the man. 

Sorry, but the woman who David cheating with has no obligation to the sanctity of David and Shannon's marriage.  David made the vow, not his affair.  Just as David had no obligation to the sanctity of his affair and her husband.  If this woman and her husband had an agreement of fidelity, then that is on her.  I don't know to what extent what this woman's friendship with Shannon was.  If they were truly friends, then, of course, the friendship would come into play.

In any event, my comment about 'mistress' really had nothing to do specifically with David and Shannon.  It was about the use of the word 'mistress'.

What term would you have us call someone that has an affair with a married man, while still a married woman? A term that would apply to both. LOL I can think of a few but I really do try to not swear much so I am at a loss and I don't want to insult any animals either. LOL

I do agree, the other woman cheated on her husband/family and David on Shannon/daughters but had no obligation to the others spouse/family.

[breezy424]

2 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

What term would you have us call someone that has an affair with a married man, while still a married woman? A term that would apply to both. LOL I can think of a few but I really do try to not swear much so I am at a loss and I don't want to insult any animals either. LOL

I do agree, the other woman cheated on her husband/family and David on Shannon/daughters but had no obligation to the others spouse/family.

Her affair or lover.  Same goes for a man.  His affair or lover.

Edited September 29, 2016 by breezy424

[WireWrap]

13 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

Her affair or lover.  Same goes for a man.  His affair or lover.

I could agree to call her/him the "Affair" but I don't want to use the term "lover" as that is also used between/for single couples as well. LOL

[Almost 3000]

16 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

Her affair or lover.  Same goes for a man.  His affair or lover.

Nope, only Aleksandr Petrovsky is a lover. Everyone else is an affair.

[breezy424]

Again, missing my point.  IMO.  It's about the word:  Mistress.  If a man is having an affair why is the woman termed a 'special' word.  That's what it is about for me.  And I've seen that word over and over in posts here as well as on the show.  Why differentiate when it comes to the woman?  Let's 'equate'.  That's what I'm saying.

Edited September 29, 2016 by breezy424

[Almost 3000]

19 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

Again, missing my point.  IMO.  It's about the word:  Mistress.  If a man is having an affair why is the woman termed a 'special' word.  That's what it is about for me.  And I've seen that word over and over in posts here as well as on the show.  Why differentiate when it comes to the woman?  Let's 'equate'.  That's what I'm saying.

I get what you're saying. I should have added a LOL to my Petrovski comment. I just can't take the word "lover" seriously anymore after Carrie Bradshaw announced she was going to stay in with her Russian Lovour...

[zoeysmom]

8 hours ago, breezy424 said:

I guess my point was missed but it was about the use of the word 'mistress'.  It's about the word itself - a woman other than his wife with whom a married man has a continuing sexual relationship.  'His' mistress.  Do we have an equal word for a man in the same situation?  Nope.  It's a 'special' name reserved just for women and has a specific female connotation.  Let's get into the 21st century.  Men and women are equal.  When referring to a married woman having an affair, it's her lover or her affair.  Keep the same for the man. 

Sorry, but the woman who David cheating with has no obligation to the sanctity of David and Shannon's marriage.  David made the vow, not his affair.  Just as David had no obligation to the sanctity of his affair and her husband.  If this woman and her husband had an agreement of fidelity, then that is on her.  I don't know to what extent what this woman's friendship with Shannon was.  If they were truly friends, then, of course, the friendship would come into play.

In any event, my comment about 'mistress' really had nothing to do specifically with David and Shannon.  It was about the use of the word 'mistress'.

Shannon got to know Nicole when their children began playing basketball on the same team, the very one David was coaching. Shannon told the affair she got the RHOC gig, and the first day of filming David and Nicole consummated their affair.  At some point Nicole pursued the relationship with Shannon, and became privy to her side of the Beadors' marital problems.  David told Nicole to stop contacting Shannon.  I believe the deepening friendship probably had more to do with Nicole looking for opportunities.

The affair started in October and was discovered in April.

[motorcitymom65]

8 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Again, missing my point.  IMO.  It's about the word:  Mistress.  If a man is having an affair why is the woman termed a 'special' word.  That's what it is about for me.  And I've seen that word over and over in posts here as well as on the show.  Why differentiate when it comes to the woman?  Let's 'equate'.  That's what I'm saying.

I get your point, and I agree. Why is there a special word for the woman in the situation, and not the man? But the reality is, that is the definition on a mistress - a woman, other than man's wife, with whom he has a sexual relationship. 

[zoeysmom]

When I hear the word mistress I always think it has to do with a married man financially supporting a woman who is not his wife.  So I thought Andy using the word mistress was incorrect.

Then again a very popular saying in legal circles is, "the law is a jealous mistress."

[Watermelon]

I wouldn't mind a special word for the "other person in an affair". But that word shouldn't have the same connotation as "lover". I like "hoe on the side" but that's a phrase...

[jaync]

Quote

Do we have an equal word for a man in the same situation? 

Yes, "manstress".