The GCEh?C: Canadian Episodes (Spoilers for Non-Canadians)

[HeatLifer]

54 minutes ago, miamama said:

She had *no issues* having sex with Jack for about a year post-Marco. She has also stated she can't have sex with Jack because it would be cheating on Billy.

This has nothing to do with Marco. Show is not even pretending it does. 

It's weird bc I still don't know why Phyllis and Billy are drawn to each other. I'm like Phyllis. I'm ~confused~ It started as Victor hate/revenge bonding, then it wasn't, and now they're back to Jack "defending" Victor to give Phyllis a reason to leave. Pick a lane, show.

[NinjaPenguins]

It would be interesting to see Phyllis struggle with being intimate with Jack because of the Marco issue, but that would require a deft touch and a writer with empathy for women. Pratt does all his writing with a crayon in one hand and a copy of Crazy Bitch Monthly in the other. Instead we get Phyllis acting like Jack is revolting because he can't dilate his nostrils to accommodate a can of Pringles and lacks the sexy complexion of an anemic vampire. Most importantly, Phyllis having a Marco-related reaction to Jack doesn't even need to include Buttbiscuit. Heaven forbid Billy be forced to carry his own story.

[miamama]

23 minutes ago, NinjaPenguins said:

It would be interesting to see Phyllis struggle with being intimate with Jack because of the Marco issue, but that would require a deft touch and a writer with empathy for women. Pratt does all his writing with a crayon in one hand and a copy of Crazy Bitch Monthly in the other. Instead we get Phyllis acting like Jack is revolting because he can't dilate his nostrils to accommodate a can of Pringles and lacks the sexy complexion of an anemic vampire. Most importantly, Phyllis having a Marco-related reaction to Jack doesn't even need to include Buttbiscuit. Heaven forbid Billy be forced to carry his own story.

lol. Right? I wonder if Pratt has ever actually met a woman. And it's obvious what happened with the Marco tale. Pratt thought Marco and Phyllis sex was funny. It was the comic relief against the Kelly tortures Jack scenes -- the two were shown in parallel fashion constantly. But then oops, he learned it was offensive. So someone higher up said FIX IT and Pratt made the story all about Phyllis's violation. So that no one mentions Jack's torture/rape/drugging EVER. It's fucking bananas. Pratt is a moron. Why can't both Jack and Phyllis deal with their trauma? You have built in marital conflict, tons of material to mine for fantastic dialogue, a reason to have a revenge plot, the makings of a fascinating and complex power couple. 

Why is that so hard?????? Because Pratt is a stupid person and a breathtakingly horrid writer -- and because of The Agenda. Although even before Buttbiscuit was hired and the storyline shifted Phack were all peace and love and forgiveness. 

Jack/PB is a victim of EB and JT and show's determination to sell them as sexy heroes. 

[MollyB]

18 hours ago, bannana said:

She explains Dylan’s plan to Vic, that everyone has to say they were just angry when they testified. 

I (as all you Preverts can imagine) had a long and detailed rant for this trial/aftermath debacle that constititutes 'law' in GC.

I deleted it and give you this.

I would not watch the trial and certainly am not going to waste my precious retirement with this miscarriage of anything even resembling 'law'. I just have to live with the fact the Show accepts everyone going (tearfully shamefaced) to the judge and voila! Victurd goes free.  Prattasshole is indeed an idiot.  I'm not even going to call him a writer, because just tapping out words does not a Writer make and it would insult Preverts, who are good writers.  Preverts are good writers because they pay attention to details such as, history (of the character), medical conditions and treatment within the realm of actual possibility, [I can buy development of TumorAde, but not in a perfume company's lab], law enforcement procedures [even CSI doesn't question a suspect or plan strategy in a freakin coffee shop], and Rules of Jurisprudence (there's actually books on this, Prattmoron!! In fact, whole freakin Libraries!)  Preverts also write alternate stories and create better story lines. 

So I'm not gonna watch the show. I'm gonna thank all you stalwart Preverts ( bonus points to those who do watch) who write such wonderful comments, recaps, insights and just plain entertaining exchanges.  You are writers. Smoke on your pipe and put that in! Prattdouche.

[pearlite]

Well, amid all this encircling gloom, I'm still watching. And I applaud each of you for following what passes for plot here. Plot tends to elude me at the best of times, so, much as I don't find much to enjoy at the moment, my immunity to plot and/or verisimilitude tends to preserve me from actual tissue damage.

So, it's down to characters and clothes for me, and I thoughtfully append the following list of observations for your bandwidth consumption:

1. Nikki, is it true that when you show up during the daytime in a black get-up you've just suffered neuron-depletion? Yes, dear, just because the Corpse of Monsieur Valdemar saved you, it means all his crimes and misdemeanours are forgiven, and you may now anticipate joining him as he dissolves into a putrescent ooze.
2. Speaking of Valdemar, who actually paid attention to reprise #712 of Adam vs Putrescent Ooze? Not to mention the sudden cartae ex machina. Because it's perfectly fine to just pull items out of your collective asses, writers, and whip them in there like used toidy wipes.
3. Favourite scene of the day? Sharon the Mad Housewife, skittering about in shorts and hi-heeled shoebooties, feather duster in hand, singing "I'm strictly a female female..." Fine, including the perky replacement of the Maltese Falcon bookend she clocked Mariah with. Until she started cleaning an end-table with Windex. Is it just me, or do all of you clean wood with Windex? Maybe it's just me. Maybe I should just shut up now.

[peacheslatour]

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Is it just me, or do all of you clean wood with Windex? Maybe it's just me. Maybe I should just shut up now.

Well, she ran out of furniture polish last time she and Maj. Mahogny had sex.

[boes]

1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

Well, she ran out of furniture polish last time she and Maj. Mahogny had sex.

I thought she took the Lemon Pledge!

[HeatLifer]

Another day of Billy whining, yelling, and acting like a victim to Phyllis' face. Real!Phyllis! would have kicked him in the balls by now.

Edited July 11, 2016 by HeatLifer

[miamama]

26 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Another day of Billy whining, yelling, and acting like a victim to Phyllis' face. Real!Phyllis! would have kicked him in the balls by now.

This is so utterly unwatchable to me. I can't believe it's still going on and on and on and on as though anyone wants to FUCKING SEE THIS.

[miamama]

I'm so confused with this storyline. Why is Billy acting as though he doesn't know Jack, and that this is all Phyllis's decision and angst and conflict and hers alone? Do the writers not realize Jack and Billy are brothers? 

I would think Billy could easily say to her: I'm telling Jack whether you have "decided" or not. He deserves to know that we are IN LOVE. And then he gets to make the choice about whether he wants you. This way Billy is in a win-win. Jack will dump Phyllis and she'll be free for Billy. But even if she doesn't want him any more and thinks she wants her marriage, at least he can know that he is no longer deceiving his brother and he is not letting Phyllis deceive Jack either. That's what a person who actually is human and actually gives one fuck about his brother would do. Phyllis can be angry but she has absolutely no moral ground to stand on. 

The show is so off the rails with this writing...

[bannana]

Whoa, this show is seriously stupid.  And boring. 

Phyllis and Jack are Jabot, gushing over each other.  Meanwhile, Eddy Munster (wait till you see the buzz cut) is membering one of their “hot” sex scenes, when Cane shows up at the door.  Cane is there with a painter who is going to fix Grey Gardens.  Billy is annoyed, and says who cares, the house is blue, so what, and Cane says: actually it is Navaho Grey.  Billy whines about how Jill is doing this to him because she doesn’t like his decisions about the house, business or women.  He tries to get rid of the painter and Cane says, no way, Jill is exercising the clause in the contract that says she can take her house back.  Billy stomps out.   Meanwhile Phyllis and Jack plan another romantic afternoon.  She plays along but has that nauseous look on her face when he leaves.  Poor Jack.

Puka is at the GCAC pool lounge having a sensitive espionage-like phone call out in the open for Dummer to overhear.  He says to someone something about the workers planning to protest and being willing to take Newman down over safety concerns.  He tells Dummer he was talking to a reporter and even she is confused as to why Puka would be talking to media about Newman’s labour problems. Puka says the reporter is an old friend of his who is at the site keeping him informed.  And I just learned that he is in NEWFOUNDLAND!  How did I miss this? But this is exciting. We all know how well they portrayed Ottawa and Saskatchewan—I cannot wait to see what they do with Dick in NEWFOUNDLAND.

But wait till you hear how the seasoned CEO Victoria handles the media—which includes yelling, snarking and hanging up the phone.  Travis arrives to overhear.  He asks about Drinki, and Vic says she is good.  So good that Vic is going to help her dad get an appeal because he tried to save her mom.  Travis wisely thinks she is a doofus.  Run, Travis, run.  Unless you are working a long con, then stay, please.  Travis tries to convince her that Prick is an asshole.  Vic tells Travis that an outsider couldn’t possibly understand.  She is such a stupid bitch.

Devon is at the GCAC stalking Hillary and tells her he wants to be at her side and she tells him to get lost.  He tries to explain his actions to her, but she doesn’t buy it and figures he is just trying to protect his billions.  She tells him to talk to her lawyer.

Neville and Ash are at the pool lounge talking about the protocol and whether it is working.  Neville tells her it is working, using baseball analogies!  He shows Ash the file with Hillary’s dramatic improvement.  They flirt (sigh).  Across the bar Hillary is with Jack and seemingly unwell.  Whoops.  Jack sees Ash and Neville and they tell him Hillary is right as rain and Neville gives Jack the file with the lab results.  Ash says: she’s probably waiting for your knock on her door right now.  

Neil and Devon discuss Hillary blah blah.  He tells Devon to get real about his love for her.

Billy shows up at Jabot to harangue Phyllis into choosing him.  He is reneging on giving her time to decide.  She tells him she is going to dinner with Jack so she cannot cavort with Billy.  He says that Phyllis is stringing him along and then he says some blah blah sex talk which I tried to block out.  Apparently Phyllis is trying to figure out how to break the news to Jack, and she is guilt-ridden.  So she really does want to leave Jack, I guess.  Billy tells her he must be more into her than she is into him and tells her he will let her off easy and stomps out.

Jack goes to Hillary’s room where she is lying down, he thinks she is faking being sick and he confronts her with her lab results.  She says is not conning him, she is really not well.  He says she still loves Devon and she says she doesn’t.  He tells her that he and Hillary are friends and her lies are threatening their friendship and it needs to stop, and he leaves.

Vic tells Dick on the phone to give the workers in NEWFOUNDLAND a week off with pay, and also that Newman will open contract negotiations with them, to buy time.  Puka and Dummer overhear and Puka tells Vic that Newman is in no position to open negotiations; she tells him to butt out.  Dummer defends Vic and says she wouldn’t make an offer that isn’t bonafide, but Vic tells Dummer business is complicated, little girl.  Puka tells Vic she is acting like Prick.  Vic snarls at Puka and walks out.

Devon wonders whether the medication is what is making Hillary be a bitch, and Neil tells him to try and save his marriage for reals.  Devon says he really and truly loves Hillary.  She walks in and collapses in his arms after she says she really is sick and needs to go to the hospital.

Dummer tells Puka that she has never seen Victoria so un cool and out of control.  Puka tells Dummer that Vic is handling this all wrong and he lays out how he would handle it.  He tells her business should be conducted honestly. Hah!  Dummer is impressed and confesses that she doubted him, and she apologizes.  He says he only cares about Dummer and what Newman means to her and she says: Thanks God that we have you to handle whatever comes next.  Blech.

Of course Vic shows up at Harry’s Bar which has about as many customers as Crimson Lights and the GCAC.  She admits to Travis that she does sound like her father.  He tells her she is not like her father and they kiss and hump the pool table.  Afterwards, Travis tries to convince Vic that she should abandon her high stress life and go off with him.

Billy returns to Grey Gardens and yells angrily at Cane and Al the housepainter (who has made zero progress in the interim), and Cane asks Billy WTF is really going on with him.  Meanwhile Phyllis is flashing back to sexy times with Billy when Jack arrives to spirit her away for lunch and romance;  she pulls away from him and says no, I can’t.  And she says she cannot do dinner either, she says:  there is something I need to tell you.

Cane tries to explain to Billy, who is railing about Jill, that his mom is worried about him going back to his old ways.

Ash and Neville are at the hospital and Devon tells Neville what happened with Hillary.  Neville says the drug is working, so they all think she is faking.  The doctor comes out and says the lab must be wrong because Hillary is suffering a serious and dramatic decline.

Dummer is reading a news story that quote’s a disgruntled worker in NEWFOUNDLAND, and Puka says this is not good.  Dummer says they should have followed Puka’s plan, not Vic’s. 

Previews: Prick to Adam:  My son, I’ve got bad news for you; you’ve run out of options. Drinki to Jack at the GCAC:  Is everything alright? And Jack, looking pissed, says, no, everything is definitely not all right. Travis to Vic as he hoists a giggling Vic up on the bar:  It’s amazing, we can set sail in a week or two.

Edited July 12, 2016 by bannana

[HeatLifer]

2 hours ago, miamama said:

I'm so confused with this storyline. Why is Billy acting as though he doesn't know Jack, and that this is all Phyllis's decision and angst and conflict and hers alone? Do the writers not realize Jack and Billy are brothers? 

I would think Billy could easily say to her: I'm telling Jack whether you have "decided" or not. He deserves to know that we are IN LOVE. And then he gets to make the choice about whether he wants you. This way Billy is in a win-win. Jack will dump Phyllis and she'll be free for Billy. But even if she doesn't want him any more and thinks she wants her marriage, at least he can know that he is no longer deceiving his brother and he is not letting Phyllis deceive Jack either. That's what a person who actually is human and actually gives one fuck about his brother would do. Phyllis can be angry but she has absolutely no moral ground to stand on. 

The show is so off the rails with this writing...

Because for some reason the writers don't care about Billy and Jack's relationship? That's all I got. And, also, Phyllis is the main character in this particular story. It's her choice, it's her betrayal to tell or not to tell, it's her problem. It's all very strange, tbh. To tell the story THIS way. Billy as the aggressive, angry lover who acts like the ultimate victim....Jack as the stupid, gullible husband... and Phyllis as the confused wife who wants to screw Billy but doesn't want to be seen as a cheater....

[Anna Yolei]

Billy doesn't want to be seen as a cheater? Honey, that ship has sailed on many, many, many deployments, between Sharon, Mackenzie, the reconned rape from Chelsea and Kelly....and even during this fugging story with Bethany and his pissing contest over Victoria. I'm sure there were others from the David Tom 1.0 days I'm forgetting about, but he had the excuse of being a dumb kid then. 

B&B has a similar story with Brooke and Katie, and good God does it highlight how much this show lost when HT left. THAT is how you frame an infidelity story involving family that has some fucks to give for one another.

[DivaT]

8 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

Billy doesn't want to be seen as a cheater? Honey, that ship has sailed on many, many, many deployments, between Sharon, Mackenzie, the reconned rape from Chelsea and Kelly....and even during this fugging story with Bethany and his pissing contest over Victoria. I'm sure there were others from the David Tom 1.0 days I'm forgetting about, but he had the excuse of being a dumb kid then. 

B&B has a similar story with Brooke and Katie, and good God does it highlight how much this show lost when HT left. THAT is how you frame an infidelity story involving family that has some fucks to give for one another.

Let's not forget the Raul/Mac/Brittney/Billy thing. He was soras'd a cheater 

[miamama]

15 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Because for some reason the writers don't care about Billy and Jack's relationship? That's all I got. And, also, Phyllis is the main character in this particular story. It's her choice, it's her betrayal to tell or not to tell, it's her problem. It's all very strange, tbh. To tell the story THIS way. Billy as the aggressive, angry lover who acts like the ultimate victim....Jack as the stupid, gullible husband... and Phyllis as the confused wife who wants to screw Billy but doesn't want to be seen as a cheater....

It is strange. It's confounding. I don't get it. I was thinking the Phyllis is nauseated by Jack's touch is supposed to -- I believe -- make her look like a better person because she cannot fuck two brothers at the same time. Seriously. Because if she didn't want to fuck Billy, it would be over. They have nothing else. That's why she runs into Jack's arms after facing mortal danger. That's how we stupid viewers see her connection go Jack. With Billy it's their "hot" sex flashbacks. Again: Tone deaf writing because, um, a woman who doesn't want to cheat on her cheater is not a good person. 

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Billy shows up at Jabot to harangue Phyllis into choosing him.  He is reneging on giving her time to decide.  She tells him she is going to dinner with Jack so she cannot cavort with Billy.  He says that Phyllis is stringing him along and then he says some blah blah sex talk which I tried to block out.  Apparently Phyllis is trying to figure out how to break the news to Jack, and she is guilt-ridden.  So she really does want to leave Jack, I guess.  Billy tells her he must be more into her than she is into him and tells her he will let her off easy and stomps out.

Not watching but sure reads like she wants to end it with Jack. So why the fuck is Buttbiscuit so angry? A couple of weeks ago he was all "You can DO IT! You CAN TELL JACK THE TRUTH! It'll hurt but IT MUST BE DONE. He can't give her a few hours to END IT WITH JACK? Isn't that what he WANTS????? And what happened to wanting to protect her from evil Jack's reaction? Or wanting to go tell him together? Was that really ONE ROGUE EPISODE????? WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF WRITING IS THIS FOR A FRONT BURNER STORYLINE???? 

She'll break it off with Jack and she'll break it off with Billy. I think TS guessed this elsewhere. She just can't choose and she can't hurt the family. Except the family member (that would be Billy) does not GIVE A FUCK ABOUT JACK so the family is already destroyed and none of this makes any sense whatsoever.

But it does drag this storyline from hell on - which is really the end game here.

So the powerful reveal is further drained of power because Phack will be split. This is so lame. I can't believe Pratt's capacity to take slam dunks and turn them into shit.

17 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

Billy doesn't want to be seen as a cheater? Honey, that ship has sailed on many, many, many deployments, between Sharon, Mackenzie, the reconned rape from Chelsea and Kelly....and even during this fugging story with Bethany and his pissing contest over Victoria. I'm sure there were others from the David Tom 1.0 days I'm forgetting about, but he had the excuse of being a dumb kid then. 

B&B has a similar story with Brooke and Katie, and good God does it highlight how much this show lost when HT left. THAT is how you frame an infidelity story involving family that has some fucks to give for one another.

I think HeatLifer was saying Phyllis doesn't want to be seen as a cheater.

[HeatLifer]

2 minutes ago, miamama said:

I was thinking the Phyllis is nauseated by Jack's touch is supposed to -- I believe -- make her look like a better person because she cannot fuck two brothers at the same time. Seriously. Because if she didn't want to fuck Billy, it would be over. They have nothing else. That's why she runs into Jack's arms after facing mortal danger. That's how we stupid viewers see her connection go Jack. With Billy it's their "hot" sex flashbacks. Again: Tone deaf writing because, um, a woman who doesn't want to cheat on her cheater is not a good person.

I've given up trying to analyze Phyllis as to which man she's actually in love with. Her POV changes hourly.

18 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

Billy doesn't want to be seen as a cheater? 

No, Phyllis doesn't want to be seen as a cheater. Which is equally as ridiculous bc this ain't her first time. But she's the one who is afraid of what Jack and others will think of her. Billy doesn't care. He lives in some fantasy world where they're just gonna tell Jack and live happily ever after with no repercussions.

[DivaT]

I think they are just trying to prolong this reveal until November. So they will separate Phyllis and Billy now then circle back around. Start back up right before the reveal. 

[miamama]

1 minute ago, HeatLifer said:

I've given up trying to analyze Phyllis as to which man she's actually in love with. Her POV changes hourly.

No, Phyllis doesn't want to be seen as a cheater. Which is equally as ridiculous bc this ain't her first time. But she's the one who is afraid of what Jack and others will think of her. Billy doesn't care. He lives in some fantasy world where they're just gonna tell Jack and live happily ever after with no repercussions.

From what I have seen and read in recaps Phyllis is repulsed by Jack and over him. She's just obligated or something. She fantasizes about Billy constantly. But she doesn't even notice Billy when she needs comfort after her cabin ordeal and runs directly to Jack. At her moment of life and death she remembered her marriage. But Billy just had to say "fuck" and she is ready to dump Jack again.

It's fucking bananas.

It's bananas because it doesn't matter what she wants. Jack will find out so who gives a fuck who Phyllis chooses? 

8 minutes ago, DivaT said:

I think they are just trying to prolong this reveal until November. So they will separate Phyllis and Billy now then circle back around. Start back up right before the reveal. 

Sadly this could happen.

[HeatLifer]

Just now, miamama said:

From what I have seen and read in recaps Phyllis is repulsed by Jack and over him. She's just obligated or something. She fantasizes about Billy constantly. But she doesn't even notice Billy when she needs comfort after her cabin ordeal and runs directly to Jack. At her moment of life and death she remembered her marriage. But Billy just had to say "fuck" and she is ready to dump Jack again.

It's fucking bananas.

It's bananas because it doesn't matter what she wants. Jack will find out so who gives a fuck who Phyllis chooses? 

Yeah, I'm laughing at the "choice." When Jack finds out, if written in character, he won't even want her ass. 

[miamama]

48 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Yeah, I'm laughing at the "choice." When Jack finds out, if written in character, he won't even want her ass. 

Then Philly will be left to drive story on their own. What will they do? Will she work for him and his mom? And live with them? Because Jack will kick her ass out of Jabot too. I don't see where they go story wise when not "cheating."

I was laughing that Billy said it was "more real" for him than her. (Were those his words?) He who lives in la la land where they will have Thanksgiving dinner at the Abbott house as husband and wife if Phyllis would just PICK HIM.

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, DivaT said:

I think they are just trying to prolong this reveal until November. So they will separate Phyllis and Billy now then circle back around. Start back up right before the reveal. 

Jesus Tapdancing Christ on a mothafuckin' cracker. Hadn't they been teasing this Philly shit since before Old Ass Dirt Orange Tan Billy left? This was hinted at as early as October. Whole generations of monarch butterflies have lived and died in the time that's been devoted to this go-nowhere affair. Hamsters born at the beginning of this are coming into early middle age. Meanwhile, Summer has finally learned to read See Spot Run without any assistance from her niece Katie in all this time. Just take them out of our misery already. 

[HeatLifer]

1 hour ago, miamama said:

Then Philly will be left to drive story on their own. What will they do? Will she work for him and his mom? And live with them? Because Jack will kick her ass out of Jabot too. I don't see where they go story wise when not "cheating."

I was laughing that Billy said it was "more real" for him than her. (Were those his words?) He who lives in la la land where they will have Thanksgiving dinner at the Abbott house as husband and wife if Phyllis would just PICK HIM.

Billy is delusional. Everything about how he's written and the way he's portrayed is just...uncomfortable. A part of me kinda wants them to just ride with Philly for real bc I'm legit grossed out by his angry and obsessive-like behavior. Ever since the characters had sex, Billy especially is this OTT lunatic.

[NinjaPenguins]

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It's fucking bananas.

What? And all this time I've just been...eating them?

So Cane's the voice of reason now. Good times, good times.

[valleycliffe]

9 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

and Phyllis as the confused wife who wants to screw Billy but doesn't want to be seen as a cheater....

phyl, you're an idiot and a stupid one at that.  if you are MARRIED and having an affair, it is CHEATING whether you want to admit it or not.  sheesh, she's just too stupid to live..

[miamama]

7 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

Jesus Tapdancing Christ on a mothafuckin' cracker. Hadn't they been teasing this Philly shit since before Old Ass Dirt Orange Tan Billy left? This was hinted at as early as October. Whole generations of monarch butterflies have lived and died in the time that's been devoted to this go-nowhere affair. Hamsters born at the beginning of this are coming into early middle age. Meanwhile, Summer has finally learned to read See Spot Run without any assistance from her niece Katie in all this time. Just take them out of our misery already. 

Lol. Yes, please.

It amazes me how this story has made everyone involved unwatchable. Actually UNWATCHABLE. Jack, my beloved Jack, is so stupid I can't listen to him. And seeing Phyllis repulsed by him? I just can't. Billy is a hateful POS. Phyllis is cheating trash AND fucking annoying with her Nonono YES NO! yes?

This is a textbook soap affair #fail

(if there is such a thing)

ETA: if show is actually going to have Jack lose to loser (and newbie) Billy I will have to finally part ways with the Young and the Restless. Victor, ok, EB's stranglehold and ego I have learned to accept. But Buttbiscuit? Hell no. 

And by that I mean JACK HAD BETTER KICK THESE ASSHOLES TO THE CURB and not be begging for anyone's "love."

Edited July 12, 2016 by miamama

[spinxella]

 

Is JT's character going to a Trekkie convention??

WTF @ that weird ass haircut.

[jewel21]

Ugh, that face. I can't. I want to kick it.

The only parts of yesterday's episode I liked were Cane showing up with a painter, hee. I'm just sad the color hadn't been changed by the time Billy came home.

I also enjoyed Jill telling Billy the other day that there was a clause in their contract and she can take the mansion back at any time. Yes, please, Jill. Take it back. It made no sense for you to sign it over in the first place. That was clearly Pratt and JFP being idiots. I'm liking Mal Young already for trying to course correct this monumental travesty.

Everything else on this show is either boring or stupid.

[peacheslatour]

If I were teaching a creative writing course, watching this show would be required to pass the class. It would be called "How To Completely Fuck Up A Long Running Series 101".

[miamama]

For those of you brave Preverts watching, today's Cdn is the first one with Mal Young credited as Executive Producer. Let me know if it "feels" different.

[NinjaPenguins]

Ah, spinxella, now there's a face. A face that makes me wish I were a genteel and proper lady. A lady of fine breeding and impeccable taste dressed in her finest finery. I would remove the white silk glove from my left hand, give it a robust snap to ensure proper unfurling, and approach the owner of that intriguing visage. My English butler would, with graceful economy of movement and practiced discretion, hand me a freshwater coho salmon. Enviable fish, to be netted in such luxury! Firmly ensconced in my glove, the salmon would make a glorious arc through the air, meeting that puckered mouth with a grand yet moist vigor. 

Granted, that would be a criminal waste of a perfectly good fish.

[miamama]

OMG Ninja. Thank you for that. I'm not violent. I'm not. But I'm with Jewel. that is a face you just want to smack or kick or punch.

[peacheslatour]

I think backpfeifengesicht is what we're groping for. It should be NeverBilly's first, middle and last name.

[NinjaPenguins]

It's not even the face, exactly, but the expression on it and the attitude behind it. Petulance and smug contempt blended together for a bitter cup of Punchable Face*.

*I do not approve of people punching each other in the face, with or without freshwater fish. Fictional Jack can fictionally cold-cock fictional Billy's assface all fictional day long.

[bannana]

50 minutes ago, miamama said:

For those of you brave Preverts watching, today's Cdn is the first one with Mal Young credited as Executive Producer. Let me know if it "feels" different.

I may not get to watch until later this evening, but now I am excited (I know, I know).

[HeatLifer]

Personally, and with just a quick comment, I didn't feel anything different about this show. They've got Phyllis, for one thing, taking on Billy's favorite role of victim and crying in Jack's face that she needs a "break" from them bc she's being pulled in different directions, blah, blah, blah. I can't. Jack is still playing the role of Dumb Idiot. This show is STILL trying to make Villy an "option." Billy is still the center of our world. It's all so irritating.

Every day is the same with Billy and/or Phyllis taking on a martyr role.

[PatsyandEddie]

NuKatie is adorable and Nikki had too much makeup on. VicTurd was his usual smug asshole self. That's all I got. Sigh 

[miamama]

37 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Personally, and with just a quick comment, I didn't feel anything different about this show. They've got Phyllis, for one thing, taking on Billy's favorite role of victim and crying in Jack's face that she needs a "break" from them bc she's being pulled in different directions, blah, blah, blah. I can't. Jack is still playing the role of Dumb Idiot. This show is STILL trying to make Villy an "option." Billy is still the center of our world. It's all so irritating.

Every day is the same with Billy and/or Phyllis taking on a martyr role.

Interesting. Clearly only Phyllis suffered and Jack was on vacation with his girlfriend Kelly.

From recaps some things give me hope (because without it what am I doing here?): 

Phack had a conversation that didn't revolve around Billy, right? Did Phyllis flashback to Sofa Sex? If she did everything I say henceforth can be ignored. I think if they play her heinous cheating as pain and mess re: Marco they can help redeem her. It sucks but it's better than Billy IS AWESOME and Philly Love Trumps All. It reduces Philly to a symptom of trauma rather than a love story.

Jack expressed that he cannot "forgive Victor" that's new. He's been all Poor Victor Peace and Love. 

Travis is gone so Victoria and Billy can have angst and mess galore (IDGAF about Villy but anything to keep Billy AWAY from Jack's orbit and love life.)

[HeatLifer]

Phack had a conversation that didn't revolve around Billy, right?

But it IS about Billy. Jack even made a comment that like "But you and Billy find common ground!" Anything about Victor is being used as an excuse by TPTB. Yes, they can always retcon it later to claim Phyllis' behavior is bc of that, but right NOW? Right now it's an excuse to cover the real reason for Phack's "break," which is Philly and Phyllis wanting Billy and feeling guilty or whatever about it. Jack had his "I'll never forgive Victor" revelation bc he thinks that's the reason Phyllis is behaving like this. But it's not, it's Billy, and that's what will blow up his world.

[Shicklove1]

12 minutes ago, miamama said:

Interesting. Clearly only Phyllis suffered and Jack was on vacation with his girlfriend Kelly.

From recaps some things give me hope (because without it what am I doing here?): 

Phack had a conversation that didn't revolve around Billy, right? Did Phyllis flashback to Sofa Sex? If she did everything I say henceforth can be ignored. I think if they play her heinous cheating as pain and mess re: Marco they can help redeem her. It sucks but it's better than Billy IS AWESOME and Philly Love Trumps All. It reduces Philly to a symptom of trauma rather than a love story.

Jack expressed that he cannot "forgive Victor" that's new. He's been all Poor Victor Peace and Love. 

Travis is gone so Victoria and Billy can have angst and mess galore (IDGAF about Villy but anything to keep Billy AWAY from Jack's orbit and love life.)

I will never see Philly as a love story no mater what they do.  To me they are two sick selfish self serving degenerates who don't care about Jack at all.  They make me want to visit the bathroom and hang over the boll every time I see them.  Oh and Billy's new hair cut is ugly as he!!.  I didn't find him sexy before now all I can say is Yuck.

[miamama]

1 minute ago, HeatLifer said:

 

But it IS about Billy. Jack even made a comment that like "But you and Billy find common ground!" Anything about Victor is being used as an excuse by TPTB. Yes, they can always retcon it later to claim Phyllis' behavior is bc of that, but right NOW? Right now it's an excuse to cover the real reason for Phack's "break," which is Philly and Phyllis wanting Billy and feeling guilty or whatever about it. Jack had his "I'll never forgive Victor" revelation bc he thinks that's the reason Phyllis is behaving like this. But it's not, it's Billy, and that's what will blow up his world.

Ah, right. Okay then. I'm reaching because I want to see a shift.

Also Phyllis is trash for letting Jack think he failed her. She's dumping HIM and not giving him the satisfaction of being the victim - that he is. Of BOTH of them. And if she suffered re: Marco, what about Jack?

It's still all about Phyllis and/or Billy.

okay, hopes dashed. Lol

[HeatLifer]

5 minutes ago, miamama said:

Ah, right. Okay then. I'm reaching because I want to see a shift.

Also Phyllis is trash for letting Jack think he failed her. She's dumping HIM and not giving him the satisfaction of being the victim - that he is. Of BOTH of them. And if she suffered re: Marco, what about Jack?

It's still all about Phyllis and/or Billy.

okay, hopes dashed. Lol

Phyllis is too busy acting like a victim to grant anyone else the opportunity to be one. Like, oh, poor Phyllis. She's cheating on her husband and can't choose between him or his brother. :( Oh, dear. The dilemma! The tears! 

I honestly wouldn't care about her if Jack wasn't the one who had to be brainless throughout this story. His job is to just kiss her ass while she makes all the decisions and the choices. While simultaneously screwing his brother. Must be nice.

[miamama]

3 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Phyllis is too busy acting like a victim to grant anyone else the opportunity to be one. Like, oh, poor Phyllis. She's cheating on her husband and can't choose between him or his brother. :( Oh, dear. The dilemma! The tears! 

I honestly wouldn't care about her if Jack wasn't the one who had to be brainless throughout this story. His job is to just kiss her ass while she makes all the decisions and the choices. While simultaneously screwing his brother. Must be nice.

I'm also sick and tired of Tognoni getting all the emotionally complex scenes. FFS show PB is a talented vet. Enough already.

[HeatLifer]

5 minutes ago, miamama said:

I'm also sick and tired of Tognoni getting all the emotionally complex scenes. FFS show PB is a talented vet. Enough already.

I'm with you. I've been a fan of GT and JT for a long ass time and I'm to the point where I'm sick of them both, lol. Obviously not in the way where I blame them (it's obviously not their choice), but they get way too much screen time, way too much character POV, and it's to the point where it hinders another great actor in PB.

[miamama]

Saw a clip on Twitter. Phyllis walks away from Jack, 'sorry, Jack' as she walks up the stairs to her suite, with a little peck on his cheek. He says something to her but she ignores and keeps walking. So she dumps his ass and leaves him devastated and feeling like it's all his fault even though she has fucked his brother for months.

And yesterday Billy dumped Phyllis.

JFC.

Edited July 13, 2016 by miamama

[HeatLifer]

32 minutes ago, miamama said:

Saw a clip on Twitter. Phyllis walks away from Jack, 'sorry, Jack' as she walks up the stairs to her suite, with a little peck on his cheek. He says something to her but she ignores and keeps walking. So she dumps his ass and leaves him devastated and feeling like it's all his fault even though she has fucked his brother for months.

And yesterday Billy dumped Phyllis.

JFC.

Yes. 

She dumps him but not really bc THEYRE STILL MARRIED. So not only is Jack left alone and confused, he has to REMAIN MARRIED until SHE decides who she wants to screw. This.show.

[miamama]

13 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Yes. 

She dumps him but not really bc THEYRE STILL MARRIED. So not only is Jack left alone and confused, he has to REMAIN MARRIED until SHE decides who she wants to screw. This.show.

And I'm on Twitter earlier seeing comments like "poor Phyllis" sniff sniff. WTF? Are we in an alternate universe? I mean those of us on this board? I'm so confused. I don't watch B&B but I gather from Twitter that Brooke and Bill cheated on Katie (the sister/wife; the Jack as it were) and she got to rip into them. And they weren't half as bad as Philly. And Katie was a drunk harpy of a wife not a devoted spouse like Jack.

What is wrong with this show???????

[HeatLifer]

LOL, yeah, I always think I'm watching a different feed with every soap. I TRY not to watch with shipper goggles, though, so I think that's why.

Edited July 13, 2016 by HeatLifer

[jewel21]

Bye bye, Travis.

*sniffles*

ETA: Yellow paint! Anything is better than that ugly shade of "blue" Billy keeps going on about.

Edited July 13, 2016 by jewel21

[miamama]

13 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

LOL, yeah, I always think I'm watching a different feed with every soap. I TRY not to watch with shipper goggles, though, so I think that's why.

I like certain pairings at certain times because it's good story and, hell, it's a soap so I want to see good romance. But I have never liked a pair of people over storyline logic or over ONE character. Ever. And I have never understood others who do. I don't get it. I think it's a different strokes thing and that's fine.

But beyond that I feel a kind of stupidity in soap viewing. A pathological level of identification with some of the women characters that defies any intelligence. Like people who say poor Phyllis with those scenes in today's Canadian. How is she at all the one to feel badly about???? How??????? She is fucking the man's brother and letting him feel as though he has failed her in this marriage. She tells him that her pain is so overwhelming that she has lost herself and so she needs space to decide if she wants him any more. That is so unspeakably cruel to do to someone even when you haven't fucked his brother. To withdraw yourself emotionally and physically from a marriage like this until YOU DECIDE you want it again. And she's doing it after betraying him in the worst way possible. AND even if you feel for her because she was traumatized, SO WAS JACK. How can a viewer say, "Phyllis is in pain because she was raped" and so Jack should understand, when Jack was raped too. And kidnapped and tortured and beaten and drugged and shot. And he didn't fuck Phyllis's sister to feel better.

It's just weird. I don't understand it. But it appears that the show caters to this viewer. They did this to Jack over the whole Marco storyline. He was clearly the victim as it happened. But after the fact he became a sap and sidelined as it became about Victor and Phyllis and then Billy. It's bad enough we have to endure Victor as hero and the one everyone fawns all over when he's the perpetrator of all. But Jack ALSO gets this shit from these assholes? And it's STILL about Phyllis's pain????? I can't believe they gave her another scene of this? She has had so many "pain meltdowns" over Marco I've lost count.

And Jack stays stupid. 

sigh.

If this ends up with Phyllis having some emotional breakdown I'm out. This time I will be. I cannot bring myself to watch (even with FF handy I can't do it). I have time tonight. Kids are asleep, husband is at work, I have no big deadlines, I can enjoy a few episodes but I simply cannot do it. I can't watch. It's too stupid to bear.

[HeatLifer]

I think it's a different strokes thing and that's fine.

I really think that's all it is. Trust me, I get where you're coming from. But I also know a lot of people watch TV solely for their favorite characters/couples and everything else becomes irrelevant, you know?