Spoilers and Speculation

[nodorothyparker]

Up from TSDF Army, which addresses both Maggie's baby and what kind of time jump or jumps we're looking at. 

 

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We have independent source confirmation that there will be a second time jump in season 9. As already reported, episode 1 will show a time jump of approximately 12 to 18 months including a bouncing, baby Hershel! From recent photo and filming evidence we were anticipating another jump. Source tells us the second time jump is 5-6 years. This also comes along with the confirmation that Matt Lintz will be playing an aged-up Henry.

The time jump appears to occur either between episodes 5 and 6 or during episode 6. (Episode 6 likely wrapped yesterday)

What does this mean for Rick Grimes? Your guess is as good as ours.

 

 

With the amount of time that's supposed to be passing and all the pictures coming out with most of them on horses or going the horse and wagon route, might we actually be getting to the point of addressing how cars and gas should have long stopped working?  Even as I ask this I realize Daryl and his big boy chopper will somehow still be magically exempt because it's Daryl.

[SimoneS]

Another time jump! It must explain how they get past losing Rick and Maggie. 

Edited July 11, 2018 by SimoneS

[nodorothyparker]

So Rick either dies or falls under a dumpster, fade to black, and then the next episode starts with a screener saying 5 years later and everyone's "Rick who?"  "Super sweaty guy, used to go crazy every other season or so."  I wouldn't put it past the show at this point.

[OoohMaggie]

1 hour ago, nodorothyparker said:

We have independent source confirmation t

It’s the word “confirmation” that I have a problem with, confirmed by whom exactly? 

[Anela]

Alden was the guy that seemed like he'll be around as a future partner for Maggie. It sounds like they're losing Maggie, but she was hardly around last season, was she? You know how they are with dropping story lines for a while, and then suddenly remembering someone, like Carol, or Maggie. 

Edited July 11, 2018 by Anela

[raven]

2 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

Matt Lintz will be playing an aged-up Henry.

Who the hell is Henry?

From the EW article

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“We’ll explore what happened as man made objects and structures break down,” says Kang. “Infrastructure like roads and bridges are changing and crumbling. And we’ll also explore what happens as resources are getting low.”

Apocalypse porn!  I admit this intrigues me, it's one of the reasons I watch shows like this.

[Anela]

40 minutes ago, raven said:

Who the hell is Henry?

From the EW article

Apocalypse porn!  I admit this intrigues me, it's one of the reasons I watch shows like this.

Henry is the little boy, I think. HIs younger brother, in real life. 

[nodorothyparker]

34 minutes ago, raven said:

Who the hell is Henry?

The budding little psychopath that Ezekiel, then Morgan, then Carol spent all of the last half season chasing around trying to keep him from killing himself.  They've swapped out the actor for yet another member of the Lintz family, their 17-year-old brother, to play an aged up version of Henry after the time jump.  So much for the theory that the show killed off Carl because Chandler Riggs was getting too old to play the homicidal kid role.

 

2 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

It’s the word “confirmation” that I have a problem with, confirmed by whom exactly? 

If they ever told us that, they probably wouldn't be sources any more.  If you spend any time reading The Spoiling Dead Fans forum, which is where this all originates, it seems pretty likely they've got sources attached to the show. They also do a fair bit of stalking filming and watching the actors comings and goings.  In the couple of years I've been watching that forum, I've seen them put out stuff this early that didn't perfectly match up what eventually aired but they've never gotten any of the big stuff wrong by the time the season was underway.

[CrazyDog]

1 hour ago, raven said:

Apocalypse porn!  I admit this intrigues me, it's one of the reasons I watch shows like this.

I agree, I think its a good angle for the show to finally take. If the show jumps another 12-18 months, I think we're well into 3+ years (more?) into the zombie apocalypse. I'd like to see the show cover issues like that.

All in all, I am interested in where they are going. But I am back to hoping they DO leave Rick's departure open-ended. I don't care if its a cliffhanger, I'd just rather see that than trying to wrap up Rick's entire arc in 6 episodes.

[AngelaHunter]

1 hour ago, raven said:

Who the hell is Henry?

The little bugger Morgan nearly killed in the last ep when Morgan was in his "Kill 'em all" phase and not his " All life is sacred" bag, so the little bugger was lucky to escape with his life. I wished Morgan had done it at the time. The moppet is a big PITA.

[nodorothyparker]

Good news.  The moppet is going to morph into yet another angsty apocalyptic teenager.

[Morrigan2575]

4 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

So Rick either dies or falls under a dumpster, fade to black, and then the next episode starts with a screener saying 5 years later and everyone's "Rick who?"  "Super sweaty guy, used to go crazy every other season or so."  I wouldn't put it past the show at this point.

I'm leaning towards Rick/Dumpster with a surprise Rick was really alive all along in the Series finale (whenever that happens).

[scrb]

3 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

The little bugger Morgan nearly killed in the last ep when Morgan was in his "Kill 'em all" phase and not his " All life is sacred" bag, so the little bugger was lucky to escape with his life. I wished Morgan had done it at the time. The moppet is a big PITA.

Sounds like they're going to make him a cheaper, younger Karl.

[Anela]

He's twelve. For some reason, I thought he was younger (Macsen). So the little girl will also have to be older. I can't remember her name. Shane's daughter. At least I think she's Shane's daughter. They've given her lighter hair as she's grown. 

Edited July 12, 2018 by Anela

[Nashville]

5 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

I'm leaning towards Rick/Dumpster with a surprise Rick was really alive all along in the Series finale (whenever that happens).

I bet... Rick’s going to disappear for a while - but a few years from now when AMC has renegotiated contract with both Andrew Lincoln and Chandler Riggs, Rick will suddenly wake up, and Carl’s death and everything subsequent will turn out to have been nothing more than a bad dream!

No, wait... that’s already been done by Dallas.  And Newhart, even.

Oooo, wait a sec - I’ve got it.  The entire zombie apocalypse will turn out to have been nothing more than an autistic kid’s musings as he stares into a snowglobe!

Aw crap, St. Elsewhere already called dibs on that’un....

Damn.

Edited July 12, 2018 by Nashville
Typo

[tv echo]

I guess nothing will change unless the ratings plummet even more...

Why The Walking Dead's Scott Gimple Doesn't Mind The Criticism
BY LAURA HURLEY  JULY 11, 2018
https://www.cinemablend.com/television/2448199/why-the-walking-deads-scott-gimple-doesnt-mind-the-criticism

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The Walking Dead has accumulated a large and passionate fanbase, but it definitely has not been immune to criticism from the folks who usually love the show. Some factions have been so upset with plot twists that they break out the petitions to reverse the decisions, ranging from Beth's tragic death to Andrew Lincoln's upcoming departure. Former showrunner Scott Gimple has been on the receiving end of a lot of criticism during his time in the top job, with some fans even campaigning for him to get fired after that heartbreaking Carl twist in Season 8. According to Gimple, however, the criticism doesn't bother him:

"This is a show that has lived in the world of Twitter. It's something you check in on and it's interesting, but there can be so much praise and criticism for the same things. ... Anybody's opinion is valid, as long as they watch the show."

No popular TV show exists in a vacuum anymore thanks to social media, and The Walking Dead as well as its fans are active on Twitter. Judging by his previous comments to USA Today, Scott Gimple is well aware of what fans have had to say about the show's direction over the years. While he and the show do get praise, they also get a lot of criticism, and online criticism is often more impassioned than online praise. As somebody who had fans petitioning for him to get fired after killing off Carl in a massive departure from the comics, Gimple could have been bitter about the criticism. Instead, he's cool with it as long as they watch and their opinions are informed.

Scott Gimple didn't get sacked by AMC due to the fan reactions in Season 8; in fact, he got a big promotion. When news broke that The Walking Dead had been renewed for a ninth season, it was announced that Gimple would take over the role of chief content officer of the entire Walking Dead franchise, which means he'll have a hand in Fear the Walking Dead as well as The Walking Dead, marketing, video games, merchandise, and more. Replacing him as showrunner is Angela Kang, who has been a part of the show as a writer and executive producer since way back in 2011.

Edited July 12, 2018 by tv echo

[tv echo]

Video and updated version of EW article...

First image and intel on The Walking Dead season 9 time jump
DALTON ROSS  July 11, 2018 at 11:00 AM EDT
http://ew.com/tv/2018/07/11/walking-dead-season-9-time-jump-first-image/

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There will be a lot of changes when The Walking Dead returns in October. “We’re really looking at the start of a new chapter of the show,” says The Walking Dead exec producer Angela Kang about season 9. Which is fitting, seeing as how Kang is now taking over showrunning duties from Scott M. Gimple, who has assumed more of a franchise overseer role. That new chapter will also mean a new look, which you can see here in the exclusive first image for season 9. The new look promises a back to basics approach for the survivors, and it is one born out of necessity, for while society may have indeed crumbled thanks to the zombie apocalypse, we will now see it literally crumbling as well — especially after a time jump.

“We’ll explore what happened as man made objects and structures break down,” says Kang. “Infrastructure like roads and bridges are changing and crumbling. And we’ll also explore what happens as resources are getting low.” You can see the effect of that in the photo, as Michonne leads a group of survivors… on horseback. “There’s a fun Western vibe that has emerged,” notes Kang. “We are going into a period where a lot of the things that we’ve seen in previous seasons have broken down, so they’ve got these horses and carriages that are being drawn around instead of cars. Things are lit with oil lamps. People are using different kinds of weaponry. There’s a real grittiness to it that I think will be fun and fresh for the viewers.”

And will Rick Grimes’ vision for a new utopia in which different communities work together for the betterment of all actually play out? (It’s a question made all the most imperative with the impending departure of star Andrew Lincoln, who reportedly will be leaving the show this season.) “We’ll see our group together working in unity in a lot of ways, but you’ll also see some changes in the way that they deal with each other,” teases Kang. “In some ways, you’ll see that the vision has succeeded beyond anybody’s wildest imagination. But you’ll also see the cracks in that.” Alas, the crumbling continues.

Edited July 12, 2018 by tv echo

[deemac]

Some of this actually sounds interesting, more real life problems.  But as long as Negan continues in any capacity (some things can never be forgiven) I will still experience this show third hand here in the forums.

[nodorothyparker]

"Fun and fresh" are not really words I would ever expect to hear about this series at this point.

Still, that confirms some of what we were thinking last night, that after 8 seasons of utterly ignoring that batteries die, gas goes bad, and things fall apart, they're finally going to address it.  I'm cautiously interested in that although only up to a point if they don't figure out how to muzzle Chatty Cathy or expect us to buy that these people will have lived side by side with him for years and only after all that time are thinking about getting around to doing something about him.

[tv echo]

Oh look - JDM is even starting to look like AL (maybe Negan will just replace Rick in playing out the comics storylines going forward) ...

Edited July 12, 2018 by tv echo

[rab01]

3 hours ago, deemac said:

Some of this actually sounds interesting, more real life problems.  But as long as Negan continues in any capacity (some things can never be forgiven) I will still experience this show third hand here in the forums.

The Alexandria storyline could have been that too but instead they focused on Rick finding his twu wuv, killing her husband, losing her to a horde and then finding his Negan.

[AngelaHunter]

9 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

"Fun and fresh" are not really words I would ever expect to hear about this series at this point.

It's been awhile that I've seen it as anything but "dumb, ridiculous and deadly boring." Seeing Rick sparing Negan was way beyond the last straw (He miraculously has a piece of glass - from a bizarre stained glass window hanging on some tree -  in his hand at the right moment, and enough control in the heat of battle to plan to just give Negan a flesh wound with it and that the convenient doctor module who was traded for Carl could "fix him"?) and TPTB are desperately trying to wring every single nickel out of the hide of this dead horse. Yes, I deserve every eyeroll because I kept watching this dreck, even if I just skim through eps that are mostly unwatchable not only because of the dumbness but the darkness and the mumbling. I want them all to die. The Gimp has made them too stupid to live. Congrats, Gimp. Or Kang, who from what I've read is not exactly a stellar replacement.

[nodorothyparker]

It's also become shorthand in discussions of a number of other shows I watch for a show that's unrelentingly grim and keeps going to the same well over and over again to torture its characters.  So there's that.

[AngelaHunter]

1 hour ago, nodorothyparker said:

It's also become shorthand in discussions of a number of other shows I watch for a show that's unrelentingly grim and keeps going to the same well over and over again to torture its characters.  So there's that.

Hmm... yes. I think I know what you mean. If "unrelentingly grim torture porn" and "repetitive, non-sensical 'We don't know what the hell we're doing but it pays $$$'" are filed under the label of "It's artistic and you cretins just. do. not. get. our vision," maybe it makes it all okay, somewhere. I must be missing something.

[Nexus8]

On 7/11/2018 at 12:11 PM, OoohMaggie said:

An interesting interview with showrunner Ms Kang,

Thanks for the link !

[OoohMaggie]

Taken from the Kang Comicbook interview,

“ With Lauren, she has said that she would like to come back to the show and we would love to have her back; we think there's more story with Maggie to tell. We already have some plans brewing that I think are pretty cool. So the world of The Walking Dead moves on with whoever we have at the moment. It's what we've always done."

This does give some hope that we won’t be seeing Maggie’s demise in S9, I’ll take reduced appearances over no appearances however annoying it will be.

[tv echo]

‘The Walking Dead’ Twitter Account Hilariously Responds to Emmy Snub
Denise Caputo  July 12, 2018
https://fanfest.com/2018/07/12/the-walking-dead-twitter-account-hilariously-responds-to-emmy-snub/

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The Walking Dead being overlooked for Emmy nominations is particularly disheartening to fans this year, especially with the upcoming ninth season reportedly bringing about massive changes for the series. New showrunner Angela Kang has taken over on the series and has already confirmed the new season will include a bit of a time jump from where season eight left off. Additionally, Andrew Lincoln and Lauren Cohan (who plays Maggie Greene (Rhee)) are reportedly leaving the series before the ninth season’s end. Cohan was recently cast in ABC’s Whiskey Cavalier which was picked up to series during the recent 2018 television upfronts. Both Cohan and Lincoln are said to appear in just six episodes in the upcoming season.

Whiskey Cavalier - Official Trailer
Published on May 15, 2018, by ABC Television Network

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“Whiskey Cavalier” is a high-octane, hour-long action dramedy that follows the adventures of tough but tender FBI super-agent Will Chase (codename: “Whiskey Cavalier”), played by Scott Foley. Following an emotional break-up, Chase is assigned to work with badass CIA operative Francesca “Frankie” Trowbridge (codename: “Fiery Tribune”), played by Lauren Cohan. Together, they lead an inter-agency team of flawed, funny and heroic spies who periodically save the world (and each other) while navigating the rocky roads of friendship, romance and office politics. The series is from writer/executive producer Dave Hemingson and executive producer Bill Lawrence.

Edited July 13, 2018 by tv echo

[WalkerTalker]

On 7/12/2018 at 3:02 AM, Anela said:

He's twelve. For some reason, I thought he was younger (Macsen). So the little girl will also have to be older. I can't remember her name. Shane's daughter. At least I think she's Shane's daughter. They've given her lighter hair as she's grown. 

Judith

[OoohMaggie]

21 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

The Gimp has made them too stupid to live. Congrats, Gimp. Or Kang, who from what I've read is not exactly a stellar replacement.

Many people are blaming ‘The Gimp’ for the state that the show is in, some are defending him saying it’s not his fault. I don’t know what percentage of control he has over the path the show follows, or the hiring and firing of characters, so I’m talking mainly about the quality of the writing. As a layman I’m under the impression that a showrunner is in complete control of the quality of what we watch, the quality and credibility of the writing.

In season Eight we had no less than seven writers and nine directors involved, is it not Gimple’s job to ensure their combined output not only follows ‘the’ plan, but also reaches the required level of said quality and credibility?

Whenever I watched a Talking Dead with Gimple on the sofa, I so wanted Hardwick to ask him how a particular stupid, unbelievable, badly written scene ever made it to screen, obviously it never happened. So that’s my question, who is responsible for all those ‘Oh! Please’ scenes were being subjected to on a Sunday night? 

The comment about Kang is also worryingly valid , she co-wrote the S8 mid season finale (how it’s gotta be), remember the one where Maggie gets ambushed, I use ambush in its loosest possible form, and she just sits in the car, letting herself get ‘slowly’ surrounded, then let’s armed people just walk up to the cars and demand their weapons, which she obviously gives up without so much as raising her voice, yeah that’s the one, it’s writing like that which is killing the show, and this is from the new show runner, you’re worries are well founded.

[AngelaHunter]

12 minutes ago, OoohMaggie said:

remember the one where Maggie gets ambushed, I use ambush in its loosest possible form, and she just sits in the car, letting herself get ‘slowly’ surrounded, then let’s armed people just walk up to the cars and demand their weapons, which she obviously gives up without so much as raising her voice,

Oh, yes. That shocking, mind-blowing moment when they killed... what the hell was his name again? Neil! That was it. Oh, Neil and the "Oh, shit!" But Maggie did put on her best "Grumpy Cat" face, so there was that. That's when we knew shit was getting, like, really serious.

 

16 minutes ago, OoohMaggie said:

Hardwick to ask him how a particular stupid, unbelievable, badly written scene ever made it to screen, obviously it never happened.

Obviously. I thought Hardwick was there to ass-kiss, justify and screech the praises of the great minds who came up with the utter stupidity we've been subjected to for quite some time now? I need to be thrown into a garbage heap to fight Winslow as punishment for continuing to watch this drivel. 

[Anela]

12 hours ago, WalkerTalker said:

Judith

Thank you. :) 

"as long as people are watching". That reminds me of someone I'm acquainted with, whose career is streaming things over the internet. She uploads things to youtube, as well, and said that she has haters who follow her, just so that they can "dislike" videos on there right away. She said it doesn't bother her at all, because a dislike shows engagement, just like a "like", and youtube only cares about that. So as long as people are talking, even mocking them, they don't mind. 

[tv echo]

Exclusive first look at Norman Reedus in season 9 of The Walking Dead
Dalton Ross   July 13, 2018 at 10:00 AM EDT
http://ew.com/tv/2018/07/13/walking-dead-norman-reedus-daryl-dixon-season-9/

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We’ve got your exclusive first look at Norman Reedus as Daryl Dixon in season 9 of The Walking Dead with the season’s first episodic shot of the crossbow-wielding badass. Not only that, but we’ve got some scoop from new showrunner Angela Kang about what to expect coming up for the survivors when the show returns this October.
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“We’ll see a lot of the core relationships,” says Kang. “We’ll be delving into those and seeing how people are thinking about bigger problems. And thinking about their philosophies, and thinking about how people come together and create civilization and what those rules are going to be, and how you contend with it. And I think that there’ll be some really interesting storylines for people who care about some of these characters that we’ve been following for years. Because they are family at this point, and they love each other. They respect each other, but those relationships are very complicated. So, we’ll see our group together working in unity in a lot of ways. But you’ll also see some changes in the way that they deal with each other.”

When Kang talks about relationships being “complicated” and there being changes in the way the group deals with each other, what does that mean in terms of Maggie and Daryl not being so happy about Rick’s decision to spare Negan at the end of season 8? “There will definitely be story about Maggie and Daryl and Rick and where they are at with each other,” says Kang. “I don’t want to spoil too much about that storyline, but there will be some surprises along the way with it. It’s definitely something that we will be exploring this season.”

Michael Cudlitz comes home as he makes his return to The Walking Dead in series nine 
JJ Nattrass    Saturday 14 Jul 2018
https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/14/michael-cudlitz-comes-home-makes-return-walking-dead-series-nine-7715125/

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Well, the one formerly known as Abe has made a comeback to the AMC horror series off-camera as the director of episode seven. 

Shared on Reddit, a behind the scenes snap from the current filming schedule shows a clapboard for ‘907’, and right next to the title director is Michael’s name.
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Below that is Duane Manwiller’s name which suggest that The Walking Dead vet is back to head up cinematography on the episode.

 

Edited July 14, 2018 by tv echo

[OoohMaggie]

So The Walking Dead meets Little House On The Prairie! I Can’t wait until Judith falls down the well and Doc Siddiq races over on his buggy at full gallop Lol

 

http://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2018/07/15/the-walking-dead-season-9-address-bullets-gas/

Edited July 15, 2018 by OoohMaggie

[OoohMaggie]

This quote from Ms Kang in TV Line is interesting, is it her way of telling us those rumours about Daryl’s sexuality were true, or just my warped mind Lol

“What I will say, is that we will be telling a great story with Daryl this season,” new showrunner Angela Kang told TV Line when asked if the upcoming season will explore Daryl’s non-existent sex life. “He has some really meaty material coming up, so Daryl fans will get their fill.”  ???

Edited July 15, 2018 by OoohMaggie

[AngelaHunter]

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Daryl and Carol’s relationship, platonic or romantic, will be addressed in season 9, coming at a time when Reedus is queued up to take over as lead following the looming departure of Rick Grimes actor Andrew Lincoln.

Daryl is going to learn to speak again in coherent sentences? Personally, I no longer give a rat's ass about Carol/Daryl or whatever. I certainly don't want to see or even think about any hint of sex with this filthy guy who hasn't washed himself in at least a year. Anyway, we know s-e-x is verboten on this show. TPTB are making themselves sound utterly desperate and pathetic by dragging out and dusting off old, boring storylines in the wake of their total ruination of this show. It would be funny if it weren't so insulting.

[nodorothyparker]

Had they addressed the Daryl situation back in seasons 3 or 4 back when he was still checking off all the competence is sexy boxes and before they let the actor appear on camera for years at a time looking like he'd taken a refreshing dip in a 55-gallon oil drum while wearing a dead ferret on his head and mumbling all of his lines, that might have been a draw.  Now?  Who the hell cares?  It absolutely reeks of desperation to now be wanting to cater to the same fanbase they were so casually dismissive of when the show was drawing much much bigger numbers.  All the sleeveless leather vests in the world can't call that ship back.

And leave poor Carol out of it.  The show has gone whole seasons barely remembering those two characters have any sort of connection and now she has a much prettier boy making pretty pretty eyes at her despite his terrible wig.

[mightysparrow]

Are they really trying to drag up the tired old Caryl frenzy?  I thought they'd squeezed the last drop out of that.  As @nodorothyparker said, Carol has moved on to greener, cleaner pastures.  And even though Carol couldn't seem to work up much interest in Carl's death, I find it hard to believe she would side with anyone who would turn against Rick.  But the showrunners are desperate so they might try to revive an old fanwar to try and spark some interest. 

[OoohMaggie]

5 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

I find it hard to believe she would side with anyone who would turn against Rick

After seeing so many of her adopted group laying dead in the field, I can’t see how she would ever countenance Negan being shown any kind of mercy. Not long ago she would have walked into the infirmary and taken care of him herself, (as Maggie should be doing) yet I’m not sure exactly which Carol we have now, what more can they do with the character?

[nodorothyparker]

What's killing the plausible motivations for any of these characters is the immediate time jump.  Had Maggie walked into the infirmary right after the season ender or, as OoohMaggie suggests, had Carol taken it upon herself in a "no, we are absolutely NOT keeping this continuing threat to all of us laying around or feeding it" thing as she's been known to do in the past that would have been within character for each of them.  But if the new season opens 18 months later with Rick still keeping him as a pet while everyone else more or less shrugs it off and goes about their business, the plotting and the motivations get tougher to rationalize.  That's where that spoiler we got earlier about Michonne realizing during a visit to Hilltop that Maggie's purposely withholding food from Alexandria at least does start to make sense.  You want to keep him despite everything he did and could still do?  Fine, then you figure out how to feed him and yourself while you're at it because I'm not contributing to it.  Neither Carol nor Maggie even lives at Alexandria now and have their own stuff going on with children or latest substitute children to raise.  At some point, they could be forgiven for washing their hands of the whole stupid let's keep Negan alive when nobody but you wants that mess and saying good luck with that, but instead we're apparently supposed to think that Maggie has been biding her time all that time.

Daryl's even worse in trying to makes sense of in this despite his reported elevation as hero/replacement lead.  He still lives at Alexandria where Negan is Every. Single. Day. and is still operating as Rick's right hand and bestest all-around buddy.  Yet he's supposedly been plotting against Rick for a year and a half without actually doing anything about it.  And if Negan is still around after the reported five or six year time jump and characters like Rick or Maggie end up dead or destroyed over it?  Forget it.  He's your roommate now and best learn to make the best of it.

I do realize in typing all this that I've probably just given this story more thought that the people writing it have.

[WalkerTalker]

7 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

After seeing so many of her adopted group laying dead in the field, I can’t see how she would ever countenance Negan being shown any kind of mercy. Not long ago she would have walked into the infirmary and taken care of him herself, (as Maggie should be doing) yet I’m not sure exactly which Carol we have now, what more can they do with the character?

 

5 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

What's killing the plausible motivations for any of these characters is the immediate time jump.  Had Maggie walked into the infirmary right after the season ender or, as OoohMaggie suggests, had Carol taken it upon herself in a "no, we are absolutely NOT keeping this continuing threat to all of us laying around or feeding it" thing as she's been known to do in the past that would have been within character for each of them.  But if the new season opens 18 months later with Rick still keeping him as a pet while everyone else more or less shrugs it off and goes about their business, the plotting and the motivations get tougher to rationalize.  That's where that spoiler we got earlier about Michonne realizing during a visit to Hilltop that Maggie's purposely withholding food from Alexandria at least does start to make sense.  You want to keep him despite everything he did and could still do?  Fine, then you figure out how to feed him and yourself while you're at it because I'm not contributing to it.  Neither Carol nor Maggie even lives at Alexandria now and have their own stuff going on with children or latest substitute children to raise.  At some point, they could be forgiven for washing their hands of the whole stupid let's keep Negan alive when nobody but you wants that mess and saying good luck with that, but instead we're apparently supposed to think that Maggie has been biding her time all that time.

Daryl's even worse in trying to makes sense of in this despite his reported elevation as hero/replacement lead.  He still lives at Alexandria where Negan is Every. Single. Day. and is still operating as Rick's right hand and bestest all-around buddy.  Yet he's supposedly been plotting against Rick for a year and a half without actually doing anything about it.  And if Negan is still around after the reported five or six year time jump and characters like Rick or Maggie end up dead or destroyed over it?  Forget it.  He's your roommate now and best learn to make the best of it.

I do realize in typing all this that I've probably just given this story more thought that the people writing it have.

No rest for the wicked, no reprieve for the tyrant, KILL him! They want a civil society to rise up, Morgan built a jail, try him by a jury of his peers. I have no doubt the verdict will be death, not life amongst us. Negan is pure evil. He terrorized those poor peeps. He tortured them. He was cruel to them in life and death. If he went before a jury trial he would get a death sentence. If you want to show compassion kill him quickly with an arrow to the brain. If you want to give him a just death, beat him with Lucille. Each person he wronged gets to take a wack.

[Nashville]

1 hour ago, WalkerTalker said:

 

If you want to show compassion kill him quickly with an arrow to the brain. If you want to give him a just death, beat him with Lucille. Each person he wronged gets to take a wack.

Or, if you want revenge:

1. Beat every part of Negan with Lucille EXCEPT his head until death - making sure every limb is broken several times and mangled.  Avoidance of the head and neck also promotes the maximum experience before expiration.
2. Throw Negan’s shattered corpse in the back of a pickup truck and drive it out a couple hundred miles or so.  Note: be aware he’ll probably turn on the trip.
3. Find someplace relatively inaccessible - an old water tank, a well or other moderately deep hole in the ground, a steep-walled canyon, etc. - and chuck his busted-up, crippled, zombified ass in.
4. Take Polaroids before you leave and go back home.  Lots of them.
5. Feel free to come back and visit any time - Negan should still be there.  Bring the kids.

In this way Negan could have a continuing beneficial role to the community - as a cautionary tale.  

Or an Example, if you prefer.

Yeah... I’m not necessarily all that nice.

[Anela]

2 hours ago, Nashville said:

Or, if you want revenge:

1. Beat every part of Negan with Lucille EXCEPT his head until death - making sure every limb is broken several times and mangled.  Avoidance of the head and neck also promotes the maximum experience before expiration.
2. Throw Negan’s shattered corpse in the back of a pickup truck and drive it out a couple hundred miles or so.  Note: be aware he’ll probably turn on the trip.
3. Find someplace relatively inaccessible - an old water tank, a well or other moderately deep hole in the ground, a steep-walled canyon, etc. - and chuck his busted-up, crippled, zombified ass in.
4. Take Polaroids before you leave and go back home.  Lots of them.
5. Feel free to come back and visit any time - Negan should still be there.  Bring the kids.

In this way Negan could have a continuing beneficial role to the community - as a cautionary tale.  

Or an Example, if you prefer.

Yeah... I’m not necessarily all that nice.

I'd let Maggie do it. Not only did he murder her husband, but he wanted her as a new "wife" to rape.

[Fellaway]

I think they should do an "Who Killed Negan" episode, a la "Who Shot J.R."  Just think of all the suspects!  It could be a Murder on the Orient Express type deal.  Or!  They could leave it unsolved, on screen, and just let the viewers know who did it.  Or!  Not even let the audience know.  Who really cares?  Negan would be dead and, who knows, the ratings might go up.

[OoohMaggie]

9 hours ago, Fellaway said:

I think they should do an "Who Killed Negan" episode,

Well my guess would be Maggie, in the Ballroom using the lead pipe!

[Nashville]

10 hours ago, Fellaway said:

I think they should do an "Who Killed Negan" episode, a la "Who Shot J.R."  Just think of all the suspects!  It could be a Murder on the Orient Express type deal.  Or!  They could leave it unsolved, on screen, and just let the viewers know who did it.  Or!  Not even let the audience know.  Who really cares?  Negan would be dead and, who knows, the ratings might go up.

 

20 minutes ago, OoohMaggie said:

Well my guess would be Maggie, in the Ballroom using the lead pipe!

Naw, if we’re gonna do this I want the full monty on the Orient Express schtick - I want EVERYBODY taking a shot at this Negan nutfumbler.

[nodorothyparker]

They sort of already did it, except as more of a reverse "I too failed to kill Negan when the opportunity presented" strung out over two seasons.  Qualifiers include shooting at the damn bat, windows, or random subordinates standing next to him, not shooting him in the back, not poisoning him when repeatedly pressed to do so, trying to hit him with the wrong end of the stupid bat, leaving a bag of guns in reach while impotently shoving a walker on cart at him, cutting his throat and then changing your mind, etc.   Rick is clearly atop the leader board on this.

[Nashville]

1 hour ago, nodorothyparker said:

They sort of already did it, except as more of a reverse "I too failed to kill Negan when the opportunity presented" strung out over two seasons.  Qualifiers include shooting at the damn bat, windows, or random subordinates standing next to him, not shooting him in the back, not poisoning him when repeatedly pressed to do so, trying to hit him with the wrong end of the stupid bat, leaving a bag of guns in reach while impotently shoving a walker on cart at him, cutting his throat and then changing your mind, etc.   Rick is clearly atop the leader board on this.

 

Not me - I’m firmly in the Scotty camp on this subject:

 

[nodorothyparker]

Maybe if they'd written Scott into the show they could have moved things along well before now.

[tv echo]

The Walking Dead Season 9: Official Comic-Con Teaser
Published on Jul 19, 2018, by amc

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Don't miss the world premiere of the Season 9 Comic-Con trailer on Friday, July 20. 

Edited July 19, 2018 by tv echo

[SimoneS]

Good trailer except for that fucker Negan droning on. I swear, his punishment should be the removal of his tongue and penis. 

I have lost count of how many times I referenced Scott on the episode threads since Negan arrived.

Edited July 19, 2018 by SimoneS