Season 20: Live Feed Discussion

[vb68]

1 hour ago, zorak said:

Rockstar is telling Bayleigh that Kaitlyn is the younger, flirtier version of herself and that she never wanted to sit next to her on the block for that reason.

Aww, I meant to add that this makes me want to cry- I mean gag!!

[Ceeg]

Tyler and KC are discussing evicting Kaitlyn now. Tyler thinks Kaitlyn only has 5 votes. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease evict Kaitlyn and have her come right back please BB gods.

[gunderda]

1 minute ago, Ceeg said:

Tyler and KC are discussing evicting Kaitlyn now. Tyler thinks Kaitlyn only has 5 votes. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease evict Kaitlyn and have her come right back please BB gods.

Better yet - have it be a unanimous vote to evict Kaitlyn and then she comes back and knows that Tyler is not with her!

[Pixiebomb]

Kaitlyn campaigning to Rachel who’s sitting there mmhmming with her sun glasses on. 

[Ceeg]

Tyler says he's for evicting Kaitlyn now. He said he's just gonna want her out next week if she doesn't go this week, and RS can't win, so he might as well evict Kaitlyn now. But Angela told him she needs to talk to him about RS. Which could be her telling him that RS said she's targeting Brett and Tyler. 

[ByaNose]

It sounds more & more it's going to be a 5-5 split. I guess Sam is the deciding vote. Of course, it won't matter unless the "game" is too hard for either Kaitlyn or Rockstar

[IndyMischa]

23 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

Her grandfather had money but she chose a different lifestyle or some shit like that. I'm basically Angela in this Rockstar/Angela conversation: nodding, wishing it were ending soon, and "mmhmm"ing throughout it.

This doesn't really surprise me. She's the walking definition of "protesting too much," so it makes sense that her family has money, but She Chose A Higher Path or whatthefuckever.

20 minutes ago, Ceeg said:

Lmao, after RS/Angela finished their awkward conversation and left the Geo Room, the camera man zoomed in on the writing/drawing on the wall which says "TRUE FRIENDS".

Cameraman shade is my favorite flavor.

[Ceeg]

Angela better not mess this up by telling Tyler that RS named him as a possible target. (She will)

Tyler, about Kaitlyn: "I cannot wait to leave her a goodbye message. I'm not gonna be able to watch this show, I'm a fucking savage when it comes to Kaitlyn."

[IndyMischa]

4 minutes ago, Ceeg said:

Angela better not mess this up by telling Tyler that RS named him as a possible target. (She will)

Tyler, about Kaitlyn: "I cannot wait to leave her a goodbye message. I'm not gonna be able to watch this show, I'm a fucking savage when it comes to Kaitlyn."

Please let this actually happen, and PLEASE let it be one that they show her while she's sitting next to Julie. (No, I'm not a very nice person. Thanks for asking!) Generally speaking, I disapprove of nasty goodbye messages, but this one is so very well deserved, I'm making an exception!

[Pixiebomb]

I don’t understand the inability to refrain from singing.  Maybe it’s just my crappy voice but I have never just burst into song during a conversation.  

[gunderda]

Sam made a windchime out of a coke bottle, silverware and bottle caps.  I hope they let them keep it. 

[Ceeg]

2 minutes ago, gunderda said:

Sam made a windchime out of a coke bottle, silverware and bottle caps.  I hope they let them keep it. 

And now she wants to make a pinata out of a cereal box. I love all her little do-it-yourself things. 

[Jess14]

8 minutes ago, Ceeg said:

Angela better not mess this up by telling Tyler that RS named him as a possible target. (She will)

Tyler, about Kaitlyn: "I cannot wait to leave her a goodbye message. I'm not gonna be able to watch this show, I'm a fucking savage when it comes to Kaitlyn."

What is the basis for anyone on Angela's side, other than Brett, to keep Kaitlin over RS? RS can’t win a damn thing and is basically dead weight for her alliance.  While Kaitlin is more likely to flip to their side than RS, she’s also unstable. 

[Ceeg]

1 minute ago, Jess14 said:

What is the basis for anyone on Angela's side, other than Brett, to keep Kaitlin over RS? RS can’t win a damn thing and is basically dead weight for her alliance.  While Kaitlin is more likely to flip to their side than RS, she’s also unstable. 

1. They don't want Krazy Kaitlin to come back in the house after they've evicted her.

2. They think that, while she's more emotionally volatile, she's also more malleable and can be manipulated in ways that RS cannot.

3. They think they can use her as a meat shield. RS isn't really a big target for anyone because she can't win anything. 

[RagePaige]

Rockstar just told JC and Angela that she wants to put Brett and Tyler up.  Oppps

[Jess14]

4 minutes ago, Ceeg said:

1. They don't want Krazy Kaitlin to come back in the house after they've evicted her.

2. They think that, while she's more emotionally volatile, she's also more malleable and can be manipulated in ways that RS cannot.

3. They think they can use her as a meat shield. RS isn't really a big target for anyone because she can't win anything. 

Gotcha! Thanks!

[Ceeg]

Bayleigh just told Fessy that Kaitlyn is telling people (Rachel, Brett, KC) that she's putting up Fessy if she wins HOH.

ETA: Yeah Angela is solidly evicting RS, since she's targeting Brett and Tyler. I figured because her talk with RS was not good. And the funny thing is RS thought it was great. She told JC she just had a great conversation with her.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Ceeg

[Lady Calypso]

I'm loving how chaotic things are right now with the vote. I have no idea who's getting evicted, which is lovely.

Now, to start my commute home and hope I don't miss too much drama.

[Ceeg]

Angela says she was legit on the fence before her talk with RS, but she can't keep her if she's going after Brett and Tyler. Especially when Kaitlyn says she'd put up Fessy.

[Cutty]

1 minute ago, Ceeg said:

Angela says she was legit on the fence before her talk with RS, but she can't keep her if she's going after Brett and Tyler. Especially when Kaitlyn says she'd put up Fessy.

This is why I don't get the Angela is a secret gamer talk. Why exactly is Brett/Tyler being targeted bad for her game? I mean, I realize they're in an alliance together but does she really think going to the endgame with both of them is a good idea?

It's weird but these girls in Level 6 seem more concerned about Tyler's game than their own. Having some serious Paul deja vu. 

[Ceeg]

2 minutes ago, Cutty said:

This is why I don't get the Angela is a secret gamer talk. Why exactly is Brett/Tyler being targeted bad for her game? I mean, I realize they're in an alliance together but does she really think going to the endgame with both of them is a good idea?

L6 want the jury to have as many L6 people as possible, since they're playing everyone else and are nervous about a bitter jury. If RS puts up Brett AND Tyler next week, it's one less L6 on the jury. And if one is evicted next week, they become the minority vote.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Ceeg

[Growsonwalls]

1 minute ago, Cutty said:

This is why I don't get the Angela is a secret gamer talk. Why exactly is Brett/Tyler being targeted bad for her game? I mean, I realize they're in an alliance together but does she really think going to the endgame with both of them is a good idea?

Angela and Rachel were talking last night that the reason L6 worked so well was because there was such structure and hierarchy. It wasn't like the chaotic "other" group. They really believe that having the clear leaders of Brett/Tyler and stable backups like her/Rachel/KC gives the group its strength. They like the top-down management. 

I personally think this will land them solidly into mid-jury and no further, but I think right now they're just thinking about the jury stipend.

[RagePaige]

5 minutes ago, Cutty said:

This is why I don't get the Angela is a secret gamer talk. Why exactly is Brett/Tyler being targeted bad for her game? I mean, I realize they're in an alliance together but does she really think going to the endgame with both of them is a good idea?

It's weird but these girls in Level 6 seem more concerned about Tyler's game than their own. Having some serious Paul deja vu. 

The biggest issue with alliances in this game is that they turn on each other too soon.  All of the successful alliances ever sometimes sacrifice their own personal games for the alliance for the first month and a half.  Its also good for their jury management

Edited July 24, 2018 by RagePaige

[green]

12 minutes ago, Ceeg said:

Angela says she was legit on the fence before her talk with RS, but she can't keep her if she's going after Brett and Tyler. Especially when Kaitlyn says she'd put up Fessy.

Angela is the only one thinking clearly right now. Everyone else including Tyler is sinking into "personal stuff" reasons which is never a good sign. 

And Kaitlyn is so much more likely to win the challenge than Rockstar too.  They suddenly seem to be forgetting that the evictee can come right back in.  And even if Rockstar is out instead and somehow wins the challenge -- (BB: Now Rockstar we want you to put together these two puzzle pieces.  You have 10 minutes to accomplish this task and can ask for tips along the way.) -- she will automatically be back with her group targeting Tyler's group.

And Angela is right to keep L5 together.  It is way too early to bolt.  Both Brett and Tyler are her meatshields and one or both will probably go before she has to make any kind of move on her part thus assuring her their votes in the jury management phase of the game.

Ceeg and Ragepage we all were posting at the same time, haha.  Yeah NEVER jump from a winning alliance too soon.  It will destroy your game for sure.

Edited July 24, 2018 by green

[IndyMischa]

4 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

Angela and Rachel were talking last night that the reason L6 worked so well was because there was such structure and hierarchy. It wasn't like the chaotic "other" group. They really believe that having the clear leaders of Brett/Tyler and stable backups like her/Rachel/KC gives the group its strength. They like the top-down management. 

I personally think this will land them solidly into mid-jury and no further, but I think right now they're just thinking about the jury stipend.

Jmo, but I think they're right about both the clear leadership = strength (team meetings take five whole minutes and don't need to be repeated ad nauseum each week), and even more so right to like the top-down management. Random hussie-shaming noms aside, if someone on the other side decides to Make A Move, they're going for Tyler/Brett and not Angela/Rachel.

[Alice Mudgarden]

1 hour ago, Callaphera said:

Her grandfather had money but she chose a different lifestyle or some shit like that. I'm basically Angela in this Rockstar/Angela conversation: nodding, wishing it were ending soon, and "mmhmm"ing throughout it.

So she comes from money, willingly chose a path of non-wealth, hates people solely for having the wealth she chose not to have because they have it and not her, and believes she deserves to win a large sum of money over said wealthy people because she chose not to have the money they "kept".

What. The. Fuck.

[Jess14]

6 minutes ago, RagePaige said:

The biggest issue with alliances in this game is that they turn on each other too soon.  All of the successful alliances ever sometimes sacrifice their own personal games for the alliance for the first month and a half.  Its also good for their jury management

I agree that it’s often a mistake to jump ship too early, but I don’t necessarily think keeping someone who would go after her alliance members, but not her, is jumping ship. 1) RS is almost certainly not going to win HOH anyway; and 2) Kaitlin could flip out and throw her up on the block anyway. I definitely see the point though, and I don’t think Angela irrational for wanting to vote out RS.

[Ceeg]

12 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

I personally think this will land them solidly into mid-jury and no further, but I think right now they're just thinking about the jury stipend.

It really depends. If they're able to keep picking off former S6 people, then Brett and Tyler are *probably* going to be evicted over Rachel/Angela/KC, if they're ever on the block together. The only thing the girls have to worry about is if Brett/Tyler turn into comp beasts. I can't see Brett doing that, but Tyler might. Either way, the girls would evict Brett over each other IMO. I don't think it's a bad idea to have meat shields within your own alliance as well as outside of your alliance. 

I think they really perceive Kaitlyn to be more beneficial because IF she puts up Brett, she would also put up Fessy, and they have the numbers to evict Fessy. They just want someone who won't put up two members of L6. One is fine.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Ceeg

[Cutty]

17 minutes ago, green said:

And Angela is right to keep L5 together.  It is way too early to bolt.  Both Brett and Tyler are her meatshields and one or both will probably go before she has to make any kind of move on her part thus assuring her their votes in the jury management phase of the game.

I'm not saying she should bolt, but she also shouldn't be playing her game solely to protect Tyler and Brett. Who did she expect Rockstar to say she would target? 

I guess I'm just not terribly impressed with the females in L5, and Angela in particular. She's easily the weakest social player of that alliance, has virtually made no attempt to form relationships with people not directly in her alliance. Then again, at this point, she might be viewed as a decent goat for Tyler or Brett to bring to the end so it's not bad strategy on her part if that's what she is going for. 

7 minutes ago, Jess14 said:

I agree that it’s often a mistake to jump ship too early, but I don’t necessarily think keeping someone who would go after her alliance members, but not her, is jumping ship. 1) RS is almost certainly not going to win HOH anyway; and 2) Kaitlin could flip out and throw her up on the block anyway. I definitely see the point though, and I don’t think Angela irrational for wanting to vote out RS.

I actually think voting RS out is the better move for most of the house. Kaitlyn is batshit crazy but totally disposable. She will always be a default target for someone who doesn't wanna make waves. And the one competition she won was a total crapshoot, so I'm not sure she has any better or worse chance of winning a comp than Rockstar does. 

Edited July 24, 2018 by Cutty

[Growsonwalls]

20 minutes ago, IndyMischa said:

Jmo, but I think they're right about both the clear leadership = strength (team meetings take five whole minutes and don't need to be repeated ad nauseum each week), and even more so right to like the top-down management. Random hussie-shaming noms aside, if someone on the other side decides to Make A Move, they're going for Tyler/Brett and not Angela/Rachel.

Eh, I think it's a safe way to play right now but it's not a winning game. If Tyler comp-beasts his way to the end and takes, say, KC, no one will say "We should give KC the money because she did whatever Tyler told her to do."

Also, KC/Angela/Rachel are now all essentially playing the identical game. They all are the mild-mannered support for Tyler/Brett. Tyler and Brett are going to choose their parachute soon and I don't think it will be either Angela or Rachel. 

[green]

Well Kaitlyn ALMOST won the last HOH while Rockstar fell down first.  But yeah Rockstar is going after TWO of Angela's alliance and if both were up and one won veto then Angela seems to be the main "number three" choice on the other side in the past in their discussions to put up as a replacement so Rockstar needs to go first.   Both for Level5 as well as for Angela's own individual game.

Like others have said she could live with one member going up but not both since that puts her way into the danger zone.

[vb68]

7 hours ago, Ceeg said:

Bayleigh just told Fessy that Kaitlyn is telling people (Rachel, Brett, KC) that she's putting up Fessy if she wins HOH.

I was waiting for that to get back to him. It took longer than I thought. I also figured it would be Haleigh that would tell him.

7 hours ago, green said:

And Angela is right to keep L5 together.  It is way too early to bolt.  Both Brett and Tyler are her meatshields and one or both will probably go before she has to make any kind of move on her part thus assuring her their votes in the jury management phase of the game.

Ceeg and Ragepage we all were posting at the same time, haha.  Yeah NEVER jump from a winning alliance too soon.  It will destroy your game for sure.

I agree. I'm more and more impressed with Angela's game. She's very observant and really smart. She's like a stealth assassin.  I see her steadily upping her social game, too. She's totally right about this vote as well. You don't need a powder keg like Kaitlyn coming back in to blow up everyone's game. I hope Angela gets Tyler and Kaycee back on track. Vote out RS! Short of the challenge being naming her kids or something, I'm not too sure how of how else they could rig for RS to win.

I have to admit I love watching L5 play.

Edited July 25, 2018 by vb68

[zenithwit]

5 minutes ago, vb68 said:

I have to admit I love watching L5 play

It should be fun to watch them play when they have to turn on each other (and hopefully some time before final 5).  Maybe some players like Scottie, Haleigh or Bayleigh will be smart enough to lend themselves as votes in the breakup of L5?

[Ceeg]

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11 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

Also, KC/Angela/Rachel are now all essentially playing the identical game. They all are the mild-mannered support for Tyler/Brett. Tyler and Brett are going to choose their parachute soon and I don't think it will be either Angela or Rachel. 

To be fair, it's still super early. They've only had 3 evictions. Eventually, if they aren't evicted, they've gotta start feeling out things and go different ways. A lot of time, the people who play hard with success in the beginning don't actually win the game. Steve Moses won BB17 and had zero game until there were only 6 people left. Josh beat Paul last year. Ian beat Dan. Etc. 

That's not to say I think Tyler can't win. He absolutely can. But I think that BB does have a certain element of luck involved IMO. Things have to fall the right way for him. 

[Skycatcher]

51 minutes ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

because she chose not to have the money they "kept".

What. The. Fuck.

Agreed. But maybe she didn't choose not to have the money. Sometimes the Fates are just unkind, which is a bitch and can leave behind a lot of resentment.  She has all the makings of someone who should have been a trust fund baby, the political woke-ness, etc.  And there's a feeling that she just doesn't know what to do with her less-than-well-off lifestyle.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Skycatcher

[Alice Mudgarden]

2 minutes ago, Skycatcher said:

Agreed. But maybe she didn't choose not to have the money. Sometimes the Fates are just unkind, which is a bitch and can leave behind a lot of resentment.

@Callaphera's post (which is what I'm going by - I didn't hear it myself) indicated that she chose a different lifestyle. Which is fine - live the life you want - but don't be a hypocrite about it, you know?

[Skycatcher]

6 minutes ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

@Callaphera's post (which is what I'm going by - I didn't hear it myself) 

 Neither did I. My comments are just my wandering mind combined with cheap wine ( I too, am not a trust fund baby) and a hot, muggy Florida afternoon.

ETA:  I am so glad that global warming is a myth because otherwise I'd have to say it's mything all over my summer.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Skycatcher

[Alice Mudgarden]

2 minutes ago, Skycatcher said:

 Neither did I. My comments are just my wandering mind combined with cheap wine ( I too, am not a trust fund baby) and a hot, muggy Florida afternoon.

Haha whatever it takes to get you through the gross heat.

[Skycatcher]

4 minutes ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

Haha whatever it takes to get you through the gross heat.

 Since it's so abominably hot outside Previously TV/BB and cheap wine,  have become my sanctuary of choice.  That and reading through my  somewhat worn and tattered collection of WEB Griffin novels.

Edited July 24, 2018 by Skycatcher

[Callaphera]

Holy shit, Bayleigh. Give it up. Swaggy ain't coming back. Ever. Until finale night, when he'll be lucky to get 2 minutes to talk on camera when the pre-jury boots are interviewed by Julie.

 

18 minutes ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

@Callaphera's post (which is what I'm going by - I didn't hear it myself) indicated that she chose a different lifestyle. Which is fine - live the life you want - but don't be a hypocrite about it, you know?

Rockstar made it sound like a choice. I don't know whether it actually was or whether she says that so that she doesn't have to admit that the family lost/pissed away/was dumb/ran out of their money, but she was going on about how she was from the same "country club" sort of world and she knew all about those place settings and nine spoons on a table and everything. She could have just been trying to talk a good game.

I mean, my grandfather had money too, so I guess I could tell the same story and just keep quiet about his gambling and pony addiction, which is why the house and everything went into Grandma's name and I never had a membership to the country club. But it's totes my choice to be poor. C'mon, y'all wanna give me the half a million now, don't you?

Edited July 24, 2018 by Callaphera

[Skycatcher]

Geez!  If dragging one's antecedents through the sandbox would get me $500000 I would do it in a heart beat. But  honestly..............nyah.

[IndyMischa]

1 hour ago, Ceeg said:

To be fair, it's still super early. They've only had 3 evictions. 

Yep, this. Not to be Helen, but in this case, her go to strategy is the right one for at least another 2-3 evictions. 

 

 

 

Eventually, if they aren't evicted, they've gotta start feeling out things and go different ways. A lot of time, the people who play hard with success in the beginning don't actually win the game. 

[splitting the quote isn't working on my phone today - yay] 

I think a big part of that frontrunner problem, is that they turn into (or started as) epic assholes, and therefore flame out. Let's call that the Paulie Principle...

[Thalia]

2 hours ago, Pixiebomb said:

I don’t understand the inability to refrain from singing.  Maybe it’s just my crappy voice but I have never just burst into song during a conversation.  

I've done this my whole life, it is just automatic.  I grew up watching old musicals, and listening to soundtrack albums.  Those songs, along with classic 70 rock, are my poison of choice.  Not like every day, I can go long periods without doing it, but I do it regularly enough that it is a "thing."  But I do have a nice voice, and ever since I've started watching the feeds, I've known I would have a problem in that house.  

2 minutes ago, Thalia said:

Nothing to see here.

 

Edited July 24, 2018 by Thalia

[Callaphera]

2 hours ago, Pixiebomb said:

I don’t understand the inability to refrain from singing.  Maybe it’s just my crappy voice but I have never just burst into song during a conversation.  

I was going to say the same thing and then I realized that the husband and I are constantly singing lines of songs back and forth to each other when we talk, because someone will say something that sounds almost like a song lyric and the other will sing the actual lyric back. And I don't care that I have a singing voice that could make all the neighbourhood cats yowl in pain, if the husband drops an "Oops" while in the kitchen, I will be right there with "I did it again, I played with your heart, got lost in the game" complete with Britney Spears dance moves. 

We're also quite fond of "Hold me closer, Tony Danza" when one of us goes in for a cuddle or a hug. 

[Alice Mudgarden]

It's annoying to constantly cut to fish because of songs and whatnot but I know that if I were in that house, you'd all be cursing me too. There's no way I wouldn't be randomly blurting out whatever was in my head.

[peachmangosteen]

I think for now it's fine for Kaycee/Angela/Rachel to be laying low and protecting Tyler/Brett, but they shouldn't do that forever and I'm not convinced they won't just continue it.

[Growsonwalls]

Heh, Scottie was telling RS how to campaign. "Just say keep me, because I'm useless." RS didn't take that advice well.

[peachmangosteen]

I have a new BEC: Angela's eyelashes. They annoy me to no end!

Rachel and Angela just told Tyler and Kaycee that they have convinced Bay to evict RS.

[Lamb18]

Guys, don't put vodka in the fish tank! The black one is my favorite.

[Alice Mudgarden]

11 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

I have a new BEC: Angela's eyelashes.

For some insane reason, I read this as Angela's Ashes at first.