TBBT vs Young Sheldon: Nitpicks, Anomalies, and Historical Facts In An Evolving Universe, presented by Sheldon L. Cooper

[shapeshifter]

Just now, ChitChat said:

When I saw Wendy Malick in tonight's episode, she reminded me of Jessica Walter, who played the wealthy donor on TBBT (The Benefactor Factor).  I thought it was the same actress at first.  That would've been funny to have had her as the university President.  

I only recognized Wendy Malick right away because of her distinctive voice. Kudos to wardrobe, hair and makeup. 

[Chit Chat]

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Sheldon's crack about how he closed his eyes and thought of science on his honeymoon was totally uncalled for.

Sheldon thought Amy was beautiful and looked like "a pile of swans" on their wedding day.   Mark Hamill married them.  That was some major foreplay for Sheldon!  There's no way he wasn't into the honeymoon festivities! 😉 

[Katy M]

11 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

Sheldon thought Amy was beautiful and looked like "a pile of swans" on their wedding day.   Mark Hamill married them.  That was some major foreplay for Sheldon!  There's no way he wasn't into the honeymoon festivities! 😉 

Eh.  I don't know.  He did have to schedule the "festivities"  and when Amy got mad explained that he wasn't pysical, but knew it was an important part of marriage so was scheduling so she wouldn't feel neglected.  I think he thinks of sex as a nonoptional marriage requirement.

[Chit Chat]

6 minutes ago, Katy M said:

He did have to schedule the "festivities"  and when Amy got mad explained that he wasn't pysical, but knew it was an important part of marriage so was scheduling so she wouldn't feel neglected. 

I remember him doing that while they were on their honeymoon trip, but I would like to think that he enjoyed their wedding night.  Knowing Sheldon though, he probably was thinking of science.  Actually, he was probably still in awe that Mark Hamill was at his wedding.  That would be hard to top! 

[anna0852]

Watching once again how George is pretty effective in teaching Sheldon how to navigate the world, I wonder just how different Sheldon might have turned out if George had lived.

[Chit Chat]

2 hours ago, anna0852 said:

Watching once again how George is pretty effective in teaching Sheldon how to navigate the world, I wonder just how different Sheldon might have turned out if George had lived.

So true.  I wonder if the writers/Lorre of TBBT now regret writing his Dad as a jerk.  Seemed like later in the series they softened their tone about George though.  At his wedding, Mary told Sheldon how proud his Dad would've been of him.  Maybe they were trying to backtrack with his storyline in anticipation of YS.  

Edited February 26, 2021 by ChitChat

[rmontro]

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Sheldon's crack about how he closed his eyes and thought of science on his honeymoon was totally uncalled for.

I didn't like that line when I first heard it.  Because from my recollection, Sheldon actually did enjoy the festivities.  But the more I think about it, maybe this line wasn't so far off base.  After all, Sheldon only wants sex once a year, on Amy's birthday, and I'm sure that's mostly out of obligation to her.  There are probably aspects of it that he likes, but only aspects.

[Chit Chat]

53 minutes ago, rmontro said:

After all, Sheldon only wants sex once a year, on Amy's birthday, and I'm sure that's mostly out of obligation to her.  There are probably aspects of it that he likes, but only aspects.

It's really a wonder that Sheldon ended up having sex in the first place!  At least he enjoyed it more than he thought he would, so there was the incentive to do it again, albeit sparingly, but hey, if Amy was okay with that arrangement, then that's all that mattered!  "I'm just saying, second base is right there!"  From the episode where Sheldon was her snuggle bunny because Penny & Bernadette went shopping for some wedding nonsense without her.  

[rmontro]

5 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

It's really a wonder that Sheldon ended up having sex in the first place! 

They had set his character up to be so asexual that it was a big shocker moment for the series when it happened, and when he told Amy he loved her.  It's interesting, because if you've ever seen the unaired pilot, IIRC his character had some interest in sex.

[WinnieWinkle]

10 minutes ago, rmontro said:

It's interesting, because if you've ever seen the unaired pilot, IIRC his character had some interest in sex.

Even in the pilot episode that does get aired the opening scene is Sheldon and Leonard at a sperm bank because they want to get paid to make a donation (can't recall what they wanted to buy but it was something "sciency").  

[WinnieWinkle]

I feel like YS is now doing exactly what some of us were afraid was coming.  They are totally throwing BBT Mary and Sheldon under the bus and turning George into The World's Best Dad.  How can they go from the recent stories and turn George into the man we know from BBT?  

[Chit Chat]

3 hours ago, WinnieWinkle said:

How can they go from the recent stories and turn George into the man we know from BBT?  

For the people who never watched BBT, it might be rather jarring if they write George the way we knew him.  I'd much prefer this George!  I think they'll lose their audience if they go the direction that BBT did.  Actually, I don't see how this show has many more seasons in them anyway.  The kids are growing up, and there's only so many stories to write about Sheldon being in college.  I'd rather see the show go out on a positive note rather than a sad one, but if it goes that long, they probably will have to at least have a grown-up Sheldon narrate how he lost his Dad at a young age.  Seeing it play out like we know it from TBBT is too depressing to me!

[WinnieWinkle]

1 hour ago, ChitChat said:

For the people who never watched BBT, it might be rather jarring if they write George the way we knew him.  I'd much prefer this George! 

I agree but my problem is that BBT is in eternal reruns and I am a dedicated watcher.  I like YS George but when I watch BBT the George that gets referenced is not YS George and I find this irritating.  Sheldon is the Sheldon we all know based at least in part on his upbringing.  When you watch YS and BBT you are left wondering how could young Sheldon have ever grown up to be quite as Sheldony as BBT Sheldon!

[shapeshifter]

24 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

1 hour ago, ChitChat said:

For the people who never watched BBT, it might be rather jarring if they write George the way we knew him.  I'd much prefer this George! 

I agree but my problem is that BBT is in eternal reruns and I am a dedicated watcher.  I like YS George but when I watch BBT the George that gets referenced is not YS George and I find this irritating.  Sheldon is the Sheldon we all know based at least in part on his upbringing.  When you watch YS and BBT you are left wondering how could young Sheldon have ever grown up to be quite as Sheldony as BBT Sheldon!

I'm wondering if they might follow the comic book model of (what I think is?) different "universes," which would seem fitting, given TBBT's characters' obsession with superhero comics.

[MaryMitch]

19 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

I'm wondering if they might follow the comic book model of (what I think is?) different "universes," which would seem fitting, given TBBT's characters' obsession with superhero comics.

I like this approach. I really like both shows, and I don't have a problem with George being different. I wouldn't want to watch a show where George was abusive to his family; I don't think many people would.

[Driad]

Do we have a list of what Sheldon and others said about George in BBT?  Sheldon would not necessarily interpret George's behavior the same way others would.  Sheldon might consider some behavior abusive that others would consider fair.

[WinnieWinkle]

I'm not sure we are ever given the impression that Sheldon thought George was abusive.  It was more the comments about the excessive drinking and of course the infidelity.  The drinking does seem to be an aspect of YS George so that hasn't changed. What I find in BBT is that we are never given the impression (until possibly the last few seasons) that Sheldon even particularly liked his father or that they had any kind of relationship.  I wonder if the spin they will give on this (and it does make sense) is that Sheldon distanced himself from memories of his father when George died.

[Chit Chat]

46 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

What I find in BBT is that we are never given the impression (until possibly the last few seasons) that Sheldon even particularly liked his father or that they had any kind of relationship.

Bingo!  That's how I remember it.  Most of his early comments about his Dad on TBBT left me thinking that his Dad was a jerk.  In YS, I feel otherwise.  I like this George! 

[anna0852]

1 hour ago, WinnieWinkle said:

I wonder if the spin they will give on this (and it does make sense) is that Sheldon distanced himself from memories of his father when George died.

It's about the only way to reconcile the YS George with the BBT George. 

[Sarah 103]

On 2/27/2021 at 9:57 AM, WinnieWinkle said:

I feel like YS is now doing exactly what some of us were afraid was coming.  They are totally throwing BBT Mary and Sheldon under the bus and turning George into The World's Best Dad.  How can they go from the recent stories and turn George into the man we know from BBT?  

 

23 hours ago, ChitChat said:

For the people who never watched BBT, it might be rather jarring if they write George the way we knew him.  I'd much prefer this George!  I think they'll lose their audience if they go the direction that BBT did.  Actually, I don't see how this show has many more seasons in them anyway.  The kids are growing up, and there's only so many stories to write about Sheldon being in college.  I'd rather see the show go out on a positive note rather than a sad one, but if it goes that long, they probably will have to at least have a grown-up Sheldon narrate how he lost his Dad at a young age.  Seeing it play out like we know it from TBBT is too depressing to me!

At some point George changed. We know he had affairs. My guess is that George started to become a worse person later in life. If memory serves correct, it sounded like Sheldon caught George when Sheldon was no longer living at home. What if the series ends when Sheldon leaves home, and all of the bad stuff happens after Sheldon leaves home? It's one way to reconcile the timeline. 

[Driad]

Sheldon mentioned how old he was when his father died -- was he 14? -- in the BBT episode in which Professor Proton died.

When we met Georgie in BBT, he said that he and Mary protected Sheldon from a lot of problems after George died.

[anna0852]

Unfortunately BBT made it clear multiple times that George died when Sheldon was 14. So unless they start pretending BBT never happened, that time frame is locked in.

The twins are 11 now. And those are real, growing child actors. They can't go the Simpson route and halt time.

Either end the show at season 7 or write in George's death.

[Katy M]

11 minutes ago, anna0852 said:

Unfortunately BBT made it clear multiple times that George died when Sheldon was 14. So unless they start pretending BBT never happened, that time frame is locked in.

The twins are 11 now. And those are real, growing child actors. They can't go the Simpson route and halt time.

Either end the show at season 7 or write in George's death.

Sheldon can pass for 11 right now.  I don't know who they think they're kidding with Missy.  Yes, the actress is only 2 years older than that, but that's a fairly large age difference at that age.

I don't care if they totally retcon tbbt history though.  i think of this as an entirely different show, or at they very least an alternate universe.

[Chit Chat]

I don't recall them giving an explanation for Sheldon's nickname of Moon Pie - or did I miss it?  I'm sure it's as simple as him liking Moon Pies when he was little, but I was hoping for something more original!  Maybe it's because Moon Pies are a soft marshmallow on the inside, and a harder shell on the outside.  Maybe that's how MeeMaw sees Sheldon.  Maybe the writers can come up with something more clever than that! 

[rmontro]

5 hours ago, WinnieWinkle said:

I wonder if the spin they will give on this (and it does make sense) is that Sheldon distanced himself from memories of his father when George died.

This is what I was thinking.  Maybe they create some sort of emotional defense system where Sheldon remembers his father as a horrible person to spare himself the pain.  Or perhaps Mary and George have a divorce or a falling out, and her bitterness influences the way Sheldon sees him.  Sheldon is a mama's boy, after all.

It's interesting in the latest episode, George confesses that he is unhappy with his life.  Maybe he will blame his family for keeping him from coaching college football.  In any case, maybe this is a sign that the writers are aware of the problem and looking for some sort of fix.  If they do assassinate George's character to some extent, I hope they do it slowly over time, and not wait to do it in the last few episodes (Game of Thrones, I'm looking at you).

[Sarah 103]

2 hours ago, Katy M said:

Sheldon can pass for 11 right now.  I don't know who they think they're kidding with Missy.  Yes, the actress is only 2 years older than that, but that's a fairly large age difference at that age.

Kids who are the same age can look drastically different in terms of maturity. Also, girls mature sooner/earlier than boys, so even if they were the same age, Missy might very well look a little bit older. 

2 hours ago, anna0852 said:

Unfortunately BBT made it clear multiple times that George died when Sheldon was 14. So unless they start pretending BBT never happened, that time frame is locked in.

The twins are 11 now. And those are real, growing child actors. They can't go the Simpson route and halt time.

Either end the show at season 7 or write in George's death.

To me, the core of the show is Sheldon and his family. Once he leaves home, the show doesn't work anymore. They could try to keep it going, but 6 or 7 seasons is a pretty good run these days. I think it would make the most sense to end it when Sheldon leaves home, and do a final voiceover narration explaining what happens to everyone. 

2 hours ago, ChitChat said:

I don't recall them giving an explanation for Sheldon's nickname of Moon Pie - or did I miss it?  I'm sure it's as simple as him liking Moon Pies when he was little, but I was hoping for something more original!  Maybe it's because Moon Pies are a soft marshmallow on the inside, and a harder shell on the outside.  Maybe that's how MeeMaw sees Sheldon.  Maybe the writers can come up with something more clever than that! 

I like your explanation. 

[WinnieWinkle]

33 minutes ago, Sarah 103 said:

To me, the core of the show is Sheldon and his family. Once he leaves home, the show doesn't work anymore. They could try to keep it going, but 6 or 7 seasons is a pretty good run these days. I think it would make the most sense to end it when Sheldon leaves home, and do a final voiceover narration explaining what happens to everyone. 

I don't think Sheldon leaves home at 14.  Even if technically he is living away from home I would still liken that more to him going to boarding school than not living at home anymore.

[Chit Chat]

1 hour ago, WinnieWinkle said:

I don't think Sheldon leaves home at 14.  Even if technically he is living away from home I would still liken that more to him going to boarding school than not living at home anymore.

Didn't he go study out of the country?  Seems like on TBBT that Georgie told Sheldon that there were a lot of things  he didn't know about while he was away.  His Mom and Georgie kept things from him so as not to upset him.  Correct me if I'm wrong on that (about going abroad to study!)  

[Katy M]

2 hours ago, Sarah 103 said:

Kids who are the same age can look drastically different in terms of maturity. Also, girls mature sooner/earlier than boys, so even if they were the same age, Missy might very well look a little bit older. 

As is the case as the actors are within a year of each other. However, I just really don't buy Missy as 11.

Just now, ChitChat said:

Didn't he go study out of the country?  Seems like on TBBT that Georgie told Sheldon that there were a lot of things  he didn't know about while he was away.  His Mom and Georgie kept things from him so as not to upset him.  Correct me if I'm wrong on that (about going abroad to study!)  

Yes, Germany.  And, I'm pretty sure he said he was there when his father died.

[Chit Chat]

10 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Yes, Germany.  And, I'm pretty sure he said he was there when his father died.

Thanks for the reminder!  I remember Georgie and Sheldon discussing something (on TBBT), and Sheldon said he didn't remember it, and that's when Georgie told him it's because he and his Mom were protecting Sheldon.  I think Sheldon finally gave Georgie the respect that he deserved for how he stepped in and helped his Mom after George died. 

[WinnieWinkle]

I don't recall them ever saying Sheldon was studying abroad - I do remember an early episode of BBT saying he was a visiting professor for a summer in Germany when he was 15 - his mother was with him though and his father was still alive.  This was before they decided to go with having George dead by the time Sheldon was 14.

[shapeshifter]

On 2/27/2021 at 3:22 PM, shapeshifter said:

I'm wondering if they might follow the comic book model of (what I think is?) different "universes," which would seem fitting, given TBBT's characters' obsession with superhero comics.

10 hours ago, WinnieWinkle said:

I don't recall them ever saying Sheldon was studying abroad - I do remember an early episode of BBT saying he was a visiting professor for a summer in Germany when he was 15 - his mother was with him though and his father was still alive.  This was before they decided to go with having George dead by the time Sheldon was 14.

So I guess the comic book terms are not just "different universes," but also "versions" such as "Pre-Crisis," "Post-Crisis," and "Ages," including "Infinite Crisis" or even "Post-Infinite-Crisis" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_versions_of_Superman, https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/154268/what-are-the-differences-between-the-pre-crisis-superman-and-the-post-crisis-sup, https://superman.fandom.com/wiki/Superman:_Infinite_Crisis). Whew! That's a lot of different versions. 
But George is a regular dad, not a superhero.

Anyway, I am happy to cut the writers of Young Sheldon some slack if they want to retcon George, especially if it means not making him depressing to watch, or even dead in-show. Heck, I'd be okay if it turns out George was just "Dead-To-Me George" for Sheldon's Mom, and Sheldon just adopted that terminology.
But then when my ex and I split up, for rest of the kids' childhood, I frequently referred to my ex as "Him," which my oldest (and not his biological child) adopted for a while when referring to "Him." The oldest daughter said she imagined it spelled in all caps. 
I guess I thought it was better than calling him expletives, and I can imagine Mary thinking the same if she referred to absent George as "Dead to me." 
Maybe George was never even "unfaithful," but just goes off to "find himself," which isn't cool for the main provider for minor children to do, but maybe he sends a bit of money home too. IDK. Just spit-balling.

 

[WinnieWinkle]

I only saw the first few minutes of this weeks YS (no idea why my PVR decided I'd only want 5 minutes of a show) anyway did Mary have objections to Missy dancing?  On BBT there are at least two references that I can recall that made it clear Sheldon had danced as a child/teenager - the episode where he says: "In the South, preadolescent children are forced through a process called cotillion, which indoctrinates them with all the social graces and dance skills needed to function in 18th century Vienna." and in another episode he talks about going to a dance with his sister and tells Amy she is his first real date becauseL "Apparently, a semi-incestuous Teens for Jesus Fourth of July Hoedown didn't count."

[shapeshifter]

3 hours ago, WinnieWinkle said:

I only saw the first few minutes of this weeks YS (no idea why my PVR decided I'd only want 5 minutes of a show) anyway did Mary have objections to Missy dancing?  On BBT there are at least two references that I can recall that made it clear Sheldon had danced as a child/teenager - the episode where he says: "In the South, preadolescent children are forced through a process called cotillion, which indoctrinates them with all the social graces and dance skills needed to function in 18th century Vienna." and in another episode he talks about going to a dance with his sister and tells Amy she is his first real date becauseL "Apparently, a semi-incestuous Teens for Jesus Fourth of July Hoedown didn't count."

Yes, Mary was against dancing for religious reasons on the last episode.
Thanks for reminding us of these 2 examples of Sheldon's very specific memories of childhood, parent-approved dancing.
This reminds me of how in some episodes Penny seemed pretty dumb and not able to figure things out, whereas in others she was quite smart. 
So, any viewers who are expecting Young Sheldon writers to stick to character backstories from TBBT are bound to be disappointed.

[WinnieWinkle]

11 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

So, any viewers who are expecting Young Sheldon writers to stick to character backstories from TBBT are bound to be disappointed.

Even on BBT the characters back stories changed to suit the plot of the week.  Sitcom don't seem too worried about being consistent with things they've said in the past!

[Chit Chat]

22 hours ago, WinnieWinkle said:

I only saw the first few minutes of this weeks YS (no idea why my PVR decided I'd only want 5 minutes of a show) anyway did Mary have objections to Missy dancing? 

I saw a rerun a few nights ago and it had the whole family at a dinner at their church.  It's the one where Pastor Jeff introduces his young, hot wife to the family, and Georgie blurts out "you're married to her?"  Then George says to Georgie "You can think it, but you don't have to say it!"  Anyway, they pan over to Missy swaying to a hymn being played by a church band and Pastor Jeff walks by and motions 'no' to her dancing. Looks like her particular church frowns upon it, so that's where Mary gets it from.  

[chitowngirl]

On 2/28/2021 at 2:44 PM, ChitChat said:

I don't recall them giving an explanation for Sheldon's nickname of Moon Pie - or did I miss it?  I'm sure it's as simple as him liking Moon Pies when he was little, but I was hoping for something more original!  Maybe it's because Moon Pies are a soft marshmallow on the inside, and a harder shell on the outside.  Maybe that's how MeeMaw sees Sheldon.  Maybe the writers can come up with something more clever than that! 

Meemaw calls Sheldon Moonpie because “he's so "nummy-nummy, she could just eat him up!." This was from TBBT episode where they are on the train to San Francisco and Sheldon forgets his paper to give to the speaker. The copy is on a USB drive in his room and Penny has to get it. She’ll only do it if he answers a question for every step she has to go through.

I think Sheldon was a visiting Professor in Germany at 14 when his father died.

[Chit Chat]

33 minutes ago, chitowngirl said:

Meemaw calls Sheldon Moonpie because “he's so "nummy-nummy, she could just eat him up!." This was from TBBT episode where they are on the train to San Francisco and Sheldon forgets his paper to give to the speaker. The copy is on a USB drive in his room and Penny has to get it. She’ll only do it if he answers a question for every step she has to go through.

Thanks!  I don't remember this at all!  I must've missed an episode or two along the way.  🙂

[NoReally]

12 hours ago, chitowngirl said:

Meemaw calls Sheldon Moonpie because “he's so "nummy-nummy, she could just eat him up!." This was from TBBT episode where they are on the train to San Francisco and Sheldon forgets his paper to give to the speaker. The copy is on a USB drive in his room and Penny has to get it. She’ll only do it if he answers a question for every step she has to go through.

They also mention this in the episode where Meemaw visits them in California (to size up Amy). Amy asks why she calls Sheldon Moonpie, and the rest of the gang answer in unison: "Because he's so nummy you could just eat him up."

At which point Meemaw snarks on Amy for not knowing that.

[Bort]

15 hours ago, chitowngirl said:

I think Sheldon was a visiting Professor in Germany at 14 when his father died.

No, that was when their house slipped off the cinder blocks.

[Chit Chat]

As the seasons go by on YS, we're seeing more and more how much of a positive influence George was on Sheldon.  There were a few times on TBBT that Sheldon did speak fondly of his Dad, but my overall impression of him before YS was that he was a slovenly jerk.  He might turn into that later on, but as of right now, I like this version of George much better than what was portrayed on TBBT. 

[shapeshifter]

4 hours ago, ChitChat said:

As the seasons go by on YS, we're seeing more and more how much of a positive influence George was on Sheldon.  There were a few times on TBBT that Sheldon did speak fondly of his Dad, but my overall impression of him before YS was that he was a slovenly jerk.  He might turn into that later on, but as of right now, I like this version of George much better than what was portrayed on TBBT. 

Now that you mention it^ I'm thinking that TBBT version of George is a combination of Sheldon's snobbery --think of how he looked down on a mere Masters degree in engineering from MIT and then consider Sheldon's opinion of his father's education and achievements-- plus if there was any cheating or divorce, his mom and Memaw would have likely thrown the memory of George under the bus at any opportunity. 

[mammaM]

24 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Now that you mention it^ I'm thinking that TBBT version of George is a combination of Sheldon's snobbery --think of how he looked down on a mere Masters degree in engineering from MIT and then consider Sheldon's opinion of his father's education and achievements-- plus if there was any cheating or divorce, his mom and Memaw would have likely thrown the memory of George under the bus at any opportunity. 

I like this.

And I also think Sheldon is an unreliable narrator, even if it's unintentional. As others have said, the episode in TBBT when we first meet Georgie proves this. He thought everything was fine after his father died because that's what everyone told him. I think the writers can use that to make the inevitable a little more palatable.

[WinnieWinkle]

6 minutes ago, mammaM said:

I think the writers can use that to make the inevitable a little more palatable.

My problem with them changing too much of what we're told in BBT is that it messes with my enjoyment of BBT!  When you watch the shows where George and Mary's marriage is referenced you are definitely not left in any doubt about how badly things went for them - a lot of what gets said can't really be a case of misinterpretation. I'm really torn.  I like YS and I like George on it but I also feel like they're setting things up for a story arc where Sad George messes up but it's all Shrewish Mary's fault.  I hope I'm wrong.

Edited March 5, 2021 by WinnieWinkle

[Callietwo]

The writers just did a lousy job of continuity between the two shows.  I feel YS is a better show with them having written it with a good "YSGeorge" vs having written it with Shitty "BBTGeorge."  

I've decided that the only way this can work is if I look at each show as it's own total entity that just happen to have characters that share some similar situations/characters.  Alternative universes or some such.  I feel like they'd be better off going that way than trying to now go back and retrofit YSGeorge into becoming BBTGeorge.

[mammaM]

31 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

My problem with them changing too much of what we're told in BBT is that it messes with my enjoyment of BBT!  When you watch the shows where George and Mary's marriage is referenced you are definitely not left in any doubt about how badly things went for them - a lot of what gets said can't really be a case of misinterpretation. I'm really torn.  I like YS and I like George on it but I also feel like they're setting things up for a story arc where Sad George messes up but it's all Shrewish Mary's fault.  I hope I'm wrong.

I do agree with you. I know on the thread people say just think of them as two completely different shows, but I want them connected. 

I meant more along the lines of...yes George had some kind of mid life crisis, booze, women, yadda, yadda, yadda. Then he and Mary decided to get counseling, maybe things were starting to get better, then he died. Doesn't change anything, but it's something Sheldon might not know about especially if he's away at school. That's what I meant by a little more palatable.

PS: I'm also on the team that says the show should end before this happens. Let the show end with Sheldon finally go away to college and the voice over can tell us what happened to everyone "Wonder Years-style"

[meep.meep]

I wonder less about George and more why Mary, on TBBT, would refer to her other two children as "mouth breathers."  Clearly they aren't on either show.

[shapeshifter]

23 minutes ago, meep.meep said:

I wonder less about George and more why Mary, on TBBT, would refer to her other two children as "mouth breathers."  Clearly they aren't on either show.

Well, to be fair to Mary, we did just see Georgie and Missy need a calculator to figure out what is the product of 40 times 1 million. 

[WinnieWinkle]

3 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Well, to be fair to Mary, we did just see Georgie and Missy need a calculator to figure out what is the product of 40 times 1 million. 

Also we do know from things Mary says that in the BBT timeline Missy and Georgie go on to make some life choices that Mary is VERY displeased with - she is probably talking less about them not being smart academically as she is about them not being smart about how they are living their lives.

[Chit Chat]

1 hour ago, Callietwo said:

I've decided that the only way this can work is if I look at each show as it's own total entity that just happen to have characters that share some similar situations/characters. 

I try to keep the 2 shows separate as much as I can while I'm watching YS, but I do like the occasional nod from YS to TBBT in terms of what grown Sheldon said about his past.  It's like seeing pieces of the puzzle come together.

38 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

Also we do know from things Mary says that in the BBT timeline Missy and Georgie go on to make some life choices that Mary is VERY displeased with - she is probably talking less about them not being smart academically as she is about them not being smart about how they are living their lives.

I think she did say something along the lines of "God doesn't give you more than you can handle.  That's why he gave me 2 other children who are dumb as soup."  

One thing I was disappointed with on TBBT was seeing  how unhappy Missy was at Sheldon's wedding.  Raj went and picked her & Mary up at the airport, and she made a comment about being pregnant again.  "Yippee" is what I remember her saying sarcastically.  I was hoping for a happy life for Missy.  

Edited March 5, 2021 by ChitChat
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