S06.E10: Goodbye is Always Implied

[Gothish520]

On 1/9/2018 at 4:25 PM, Magic said:

I came to not dislike Nighthorse.  He cut corners but not for all the things Walt thought he did.  And I think he had the right goals in mind even if he thought the ends justified the means at times.  But not really, as far as I could tell, in anything except finances, e.g. no murder, etc. And I really like the way Mathias developed into helping out while still keeping the edge and mistrust that kind of seems necessary.

I loved Cady/Zach.  Don't really see her giving up her future to run for sheriff, and why Walt would try to saddle her with a job which so obviously she is not emotionally or otherwise fit for, makes me wonder how much he really loves her after all.  He has always been kind of patronizing of what she wants, and even here saddles her with something he wants.  In the end, as through the series, Cady is one of the characters that never really progressed.  Always looked like a deer in the headlights because everything she started, ended up with a twist that was always too much for her to solve effectively.   At least she got Zach in the end, but she might even ruin that if she ends up winning the sheriff job.  And that is how all her choices seem to end for her.  

ETA: I particularly loved the title for this, as the last episode in the series too.

I always believed that Walt was offbase when it came to Nighthorse. A Martinez was so great in the role and played the part with such conviction that I just knew Nighthorse was speaking the truth. I might have wavered for half a second when he asked to make a deal with Walt when he was in jail, but then again, not really. When Vic said that it was as good as admitting he was guilty, I thought that there must be something else going on.

Totally agree, Matthias was one of my favorite characters and I love how his relationship with Walt progressed. Their scenes together were always a pleasure to watch.

I loved Zach and Cady as well, and was so glad they brought him back. His return came as a total surprise to me. I was never a big Cady fan, but I really liked where they ended up taking her character. I think it's probable that she doesn't become sheriff, at least not on first try, but maybe running leads to something else, like a councilman position or another type of job serving the public.

Loved the title as well, and loved how the line was used in the episode.

Edited January 11, 2018 by Gothish520

[PatsyB]

I just finished watching, and I didn't LOVE it. Mostly because I found Walt annoying and absolutely hated him and Vic getting together. I don't always mind an age difference, but he was so patronizing, I didn't see any chemistry whatsoever, at least not romantic chemistry. Father/daughter, sheriff/deputy sure, but NOT romantic. In fact, I thought Cady and Nighthorse had more chemistry! I would have liked to see any of the native american characters have a romance, Henry, Mathias, and Nighthorse were all attractive and more appealing than Walt.

[dubbel zout]

I think if Walt hadn't been Vic's boss, she wouldn't have given him a second look. (Okay, maybe a second look, because Robert Taylor is a good-looking man, but she wouldn't consider him a romantic interest.) I don't think they work for a lot of reasons, and I'm disappointed the show took such a clichéd route there.

[SimoneS]

On 1/12/2018 at 1:20 PM, dubbel zout said:

I think if Walt hadn't been Vic's boss, she wouldn't have given him a second look.  

I don't agree and don't even understand the basis for this statement. We have seen that Vic is attracted to variety of different men. Walt being in law enforcement and a good cop would definitely attract her whether he was her boss or not.

Edited January 14, 2018 by SimoneS

[dubbel zout]

The basis for the statement is that Walt as Vic’s boss has a different appeal from Walt as random handsome man. I don’t think she’d be interested if she’d met Walt in a Abe and he were, say, a hardware store owner. The two of them being able to share their professional experiences is a major factor for Vic.

[SimoneS]

On 1/13/2018 at 8:28 PM, dubbel zout said:

The basis for the statement is that Walt as Vic’s boss has a different appeal from Walt as random handsome man. I don’t think she’d be interested if she’d met Walt in a Abe and he were, say, a hardware store owner. The two of them being able to share their professional experiences is a major factor for Vic.

Vic was attracted to Sean, her ex-husband, who worked for a power company. She has an affair with Ed Gosky, who was a detective in Philly. Vic worked closely with Branch and yet, she wasn't attracted to him, but she was attracted to Eammon who was also in law enforcement. All of this tells me that like many of us, Vic has varied taste in men. If a good looking man like Walt was a hardware store owner had flirted with her and asked her out, I bet she would said yes or more likely she would have asked him out first if he showed some interest in her. I always loved that she made the first move and called Eammon, now that is book Vic. Anyway, as the show occasionally pointed out, it isn't like there were tons of single eligible men in Wyoming. If she had to choose between handsome hardware store owner Walt and loser Travis, I don't think for a second that Vic would have ignored or rejected the former and chosen the latter (I still don't find it believable that she had sex with Travis, no matter how drunk she was). 

Edited January 15, 2018 by SimoneS

[mledawn]

On 1/15/2018 at 0:27 PM, SimoneS said:

I still don't find it believable that she had sex with Travis, no matter how drunk she was

This, so much. Travis was a disaster.

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, mledawn said:

On 1/15/2018 at 0:27 PM, SimoneS said:

I still don't find it believable that she had sex with Travis, no matter how drunk she was

This, so much. Travis was a disaster.

Vic wasn't exactly living her best life either. 

At least the father of Vic's baby was someone she knew and not a ONS. I'll give the writers a tiny bit of credit for that.

[SimoneS]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Vic wasn't exactly living her best life either. 

Maybe not, but I find it unbelievable that even drunk that Vic would climb through the window of Travis' mother's house to have sex with that aimless loser.  

 

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

At least the father of Vic's baby was someone she knew and not a ONS. I'll give the writers a tiny bit of credit for that.

As much as I have loved Longmire, I think the writers making Travis a potential father of Vic' baby was the worse storytelling of the whole show. Vic already slept with Eammon and obviously believed that he was the baby's father when she went to visit him in the hospital. This continued the set up a triangle, make that a quadrangle with Eammon/Vic/Walt/Donna that had a lot of potential. There was absolutely no need to shoehorn in Travis.

Edited January 19, 2018 by SimoneS

[Nashville]

On 11/18/2017 at 4:32 PM, sharifa70 said:

I rolled my eyes over yet another Henry-in-Jeopardy storyline.

Swear to god - LDP's excellent acting notwithstanding, the inability of the writers to NOT have Henry go three whole episodes in a row without somebody beating the shit outta him was irritating in the extreme.  How the hell did Henry ever function successfully as a replacement Hector?  

Henry-as-everybody's-favorite-punching-bag was a TOTAL divergence from the source material.

 

On 11/24/2017 at 9:37 PM, roughing it said:

Casinos in Colorado are non-smoking.  And they are packed with people.

Most casinos now are either non-smoking, or have segregated Smoking/Non-Smoking sections.

 

On 11/24/2017 at 9:37 PM, roughing it said:

Off-topic:  when streaming Netflix, our feed stops several times an episode and has to rebuild with the endless spinning circle. Sometimes we have to exit Netflix and try again. Does anyone experience this? And how to fix it?

While you're watching, the Netflix app will try to "read ahead" and build a buffer of the streaming feed so as to avoid starts-and-stops while you're watching.  On a poor or low-volume network connection, though, the buffer may run out - so you end up stuck watching the Spinning Wheel of Doom until at least another few seconds' worth of streaming broadcast get pulled across the network into the buffer.  Occasionally doing a manual Pause while watching gives the app the chance to read ahead and get more streaming broadcast data pulled into the buffer - thus enabling smoother playback.

 

On 12/25/2017 at 1:25 PM, Paloma said:

Too bad, I had been thinking about reading the books but I really hate the Vic/Walt romance so knowing this makes it less likely I will read them--unless in the books they are closer in age and the relationship develops more organically, without the paternal vibe that I got from Walt in the series until close to the end. The way it happened in the series just seemed so forced, and I especially disliked the horse brushing scene because it just screamed "This is how we (the writers) are going to change Walt's feelings from paternal/platonic to sexual chemistry and romantic love."

Without going into too much detail in an episode thread, the books handled it much better, and in a much more believable manner - not in the least because of the glaring differences between the books' portrayal of characters vs. that of the TV series, especially the character of Victoria.

[Nashville]

On another note: in the scene where Vic is feeling up Walt's knife wound, Robert Taylor deserves an Emmy for delivering his lines so well while simultaneously sucking in his gut so hard.  :D

[Nashville]

FYI - blitz-watching the entirety of Season 6 from start to end really helps with the story line continuity, donchaknow.  ;)

Pretty much all of the story's loose ends were addressed - some more ineptly than others - but I still have a handful of outstanding questions/comments on the finale:

1. Henry's stroll through the casino carries with it the VERY strong implication Jacob Nighthorse is now cooling his heels in a federal prison somewhere - but I would've liked to have seen Nighthorse going into genpop for some closure.
2. Eamonn's story line never got cleanly closed out, IMHO; last we saw, he was sitting in a hospital bed looking for career alternatives with lower potential for getting shot.  Kinda unsatisfying, that.
3. While the notion of Tucker Baggett getting plugged filled me with endless glee, I thought Lucien's closeout sucked - although I do think Lucien would've appreciated the coffee can.  :)

Edited January 22, 2018 by Nashville

[Gothish520]

8 hours ago, Nashville said:

FYI - blitz-watching the entirety of Season 6 from start to end really helps with the story line continuity, donchaknow.  ;)

Pretty much all of the story's loose ends were addressed - some more ineptly than others - but I still have a handful of outstanding questions/comments on the finale:

1. Henry's stroll through the casino carries with it the VERY strong implication Jacob Nighthorse is now cooling his heels in a federal prison somewhere - but I would've liked to have seen Nighthorse going into genpop for some closure.
2. Eamonn's story line never got cleanly closed out, IMHO; last we saw, he was sitting in a hospital bed looking for career alternatives with lower potential for getting shot.  Kinda unsatisfying, that.
3. While the notion of Tucker Baggett getting plugged filled me with endless glee, I thought Lucien's closeout sucked - although I do think Lucien would've appreciated the coffee can.  :)

1. I actually sort of liked Nighthorse - he wasn't evil enough to deserve a shiv.

2. I never liked Eamonn so don't care what happened to him personally.

3. Sad to see Lucien go, but he did it with flair, I'll give him that.

Would've been nice to see Henry get a little romance, and also a scene or two with Walt where their friendship really came through - there seemed a bit of distance between them after their falling-out.

[SimoneS]

11 hours ago, Nashville said:

Without going into too much detail in an episode thread, the books handled it much better, and in a much more believable manner - not in the least because of the glaring differences between the books' portrayal of characters vs. that of the TV series, especially the character of Victoria.

I don't agree here. If anything in the books, Vic is a cipher who we only see through Walt's eyes. It is hard for me gauge what she is feeling for him and when it does happen between them, it feels like it comes out of nowhere on her side. While I think that the show could have done better with Walt and Vic's romance, especially with Walt, I think that it was way more believable than in the books.

 

11 hours ago, Nashville said:

On another note: in the scene where Vic is feeling up Walt's knife wound, Robert Taylor deserves an Emmy for delivering his lines so well while simultaneously sucking in his gut so hard.  :D

Hilarious and true. 

Edited January 22, 2018 by SimoneS

[Nashville]

1 hour ago, SimoneS said:

I don't agree here. If anything in the books, Vic is a cipher who we only see through Walt's eyes. It is hard for me gauge what she feeling for him and when it does happen between them, it feels like it comes out of nowhere on her side. While I think that the show could have done better with Walt and Vic's romance, especially with Walt, I think that it was way more believable than in the books.

Response moved to another thread.

[Nashville]

1 hour ago, Gothish520 said:

1. I actually sort of liked Nighthorse - he wasn't evil enough to deserve a shiv.

Oh, I didn’t want Nighthorse dead; just something along the lines of a “How are the mighty fallen” closure scene.  Maybe a shot of a jumpsuit-clad Jacob sitting down in the mess hall, and immediately having his food tray taken away from him by Bubba.  You know - poetic justice.  ;>

[SimoneS]

13 minutes ago, Nashville said:

Oh, I didn’t want Nighthorse dead; just something along the lines of a “How are the mighty fallen” closure scene.  Maybe a shot of a jumpsuit-clad Jacob sitting down in the mess hall, and immediately having his food tray taken away from him by Bubba.  You know - poetic justice.  ;>

Jacob would be incarcerated in one of those minimum federal prison camp for white collar criminals/non-violent offenders. He would be alright, but I would have liked a last shot of him and Mathias.

[Nashville]

10 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

Jacob would be incarcerated in one of those minimum federal prison camp for white collar criminals/non-violent offenders. He would be alright, but I would have liked a last shot of him and Mathias.

I don’t ask for much - just a nice shot through the wire-mesh viewport window of a door: Jacob sitting on a concrete bench in his Club Fed jumpsuit, stoically stewing.  

Now pull back from the door... Jacob’s stony face still centered, but receding... receding...

...and fade to black.  :>

[Readalot]

So what happened again to Nighthorse? I answered a call and missed some. I don’t want to watch again cause Walt/Vic. - Zach needs his own series, I can watch him all night long. 

[Nashville]

34 minutes ago, Readalot said:

So what happened again to Nighthorse? I answered a call and missed some. I don’t want to watch again cause Walt/Vic. - Zach needs his own series, I can watch him all night long. 

Earlier in the episode, Jacob had told Henry that if Jacob went to prison (for mismanaging the tribal casino’s funds), he wanted Henry to take over management of the casino because Jacob felt Henry was the only person who could be trusted with the job.  The closing shot of Henry in a suit walking the casino floor and conversing with the staff STRONGLY implies this is what transpired, but we are never explicitly shown a shot of Jacob in prison - and I, for one, am extremely disappointed.

[Clanstarling]

9 hours ago, Nashville said:

Earlier in the episode, Jacob had told Henry that if Jacob went to prison (for mismanaging the tribal casino’s funds), he wanted Henry to take over management of the casino because Jacob felt Henry was the only person who could be trusted with the job.  The closing shot of Henry in a suit walking the casino floor and conversing with the staff STRONGLY implies this is what transpired, but we are never explicitly shown a shot of Jacob in prison - and I, for one, am extremely disappointed.

It worked for me. I thought it was an efficient use of storytelling. Jacob had his big scene with Henry and set up the scenario. And then the closing shot of Henry showed the positive side of that scenario - which fit tonally with all the other positive scenes at the end. I liked Jacob a lot, he was one of my favorite characters, but personally, I didn't really need to see him in prison.

[J-Man]

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However, she did get with hot Barry Sloane's character and will be the next the Sheriff. I have no problem believing that she will be elected overwhelmingly, after all she doesn't have an law office enforcement experience so the voters will probably flock to her.

She's probably not going to get many Indian votes after the debacle with the sick child, so I don't think her chances of being elected are that great.

[Nashville]

3 hours ago, J-Man said:

She's probably not going to get many Indian votes after the debacle with the sick child, so I don't think her chances of being elected are that great.

The Indian folks who live on the reservation won’t be voting in the county elections; the rez is sovereign territory, with its own government totally separate and distinct from that of the county.  Cady couldn’t get elected dogcatcher on the rez, true - but given she could both ride the familiarity of the Longmire family name AND simultaneously campaign on a reform platform, she could probably get elected sheriff in Absaroka County.  

Unfortunately, I think Cady would do a shit job as sheriff - but that’s never stopped someone from getting elected in this country yet.

[Clanstarling]

6 hours ago, Nashville said:

The Indian folks who live on the reservation won’t be voting in the county elections; the rez is sovereign territory, with its own government totally separate and distinct from that of the county.  Cady couldn’t get elected dogcatcher on the rez, true - but given she could both ride the familiarity of the Longmire family name AND simultaneously campaign on a reform platform, she could probably get elected sheriff in Absaroka County.  

Unfortunately, I think Cady would do a shit job as sheriff - but that’s never stopped someone from getting elected in this country yet.

According to the Bureau of Indian Affairs, they are eligible, just like any other American Citizen.

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Yes. American Indians and Alaska Natives have the right to vote just as all other U.S. citizens do. They can vote in presidential, congressional, state and local, and tribal elections, if eligible

As I recall, this fact was a big part of the Longmire vs Branch Connely election - Cady and others were working to bring people in from the Rez so they could vote.

Edited May 20, 2018 by Clanstarling

[Nashville]

5 hours ago, Clanstarling said:

According to the Bureau of Indian Affairs, they are eligible, just like any other American Citizen.

You misunderstand; the restricting issue is not race, but location of residence.  The Voting Rights Act of 1965 identified all American Indians and Alaska Natives as American citizens with the same attendant voting rights as non-Indian citizens, true - but it does not grant them the right to vote in districts outside their place of residence.  They can’t vote in the elections of districts/jurisdictions which adjoin their location of residence, any more than you can vote in the local elections of the next county over.

The base question then becomes whether or not American Indians living on a reservation have the right to vote in the elections of the county in which the reservation is located, and the answer to THAT question is generally negotiated between the Tribe and the State/local governments on a case-by-case basis - and in many cases this question is still working its way through the courts.  Historically the basic rule has been if reservation residents pay county taxes, they have the right to vote in county elections.  The advent of Indian gaming (casinos and such) has complicated this somewhat, though, as taxation of casino revenues is subject to Tribal negotiation with State and local entities - and these negotiations frequently get somewhat... fractious, especially when casino revenues first start rolling in and the rhetorical becomes reality.  Also - some reservations can be spread across multiple counties, which can further complicate questions of who gets to vote where.  

Bottom line is, there’s no simple cookie-cutter answer - and new casinos can really muddy the waters.

 

5 hours ago, Clanstarling said:

As I recall, this fact was a big part of the Longmire vs Branch Connely election - Cady and others were working to bring people in from the Rez so they could vote.

Hollywood =/= Reality.  :)

[Clanstarling]

3 minutes ago, Nashville said:

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As I recall, this fact was a big part of the Longmire vs Branch Connely election - Cady and others were working to bring people in from the Rez so they could vote.

 

Hollywood =/= Reality.  :)

True, and thanks for the details. I didn't dig deep, taking the BIA's word for it as the answer. So it was less a misunderstanding than a failure to research beyond their presumably expert (though abbreviated) answer.

13 hours ago, Nashville said:

17 hours ago, J-Man said:

She's probably not going to get many Indian votes after the debacle with the sick child, so I don't think her chances of being elected are that great.

The Indian folks who live on the reservation won’t be voting in the county elections; the rez is sovereign territory, with its own government totally separate and distinct from that of the county.  Cady couldn’t get elected dogcatcher on the rez, true - but given she could both ride the familiarity of the Longmire family name AND simultaneously campaign on a reform platform, she could probably get elected sheriff in Absaroka County.  

I absolutely agree that Hollywood does not equal reality. However, given that this discussion began about a fictional sheriff's election in a fictional county in a series that has already established that Native Americans living on the rez can and do vote in local elections, I'm guessing that in this Hollywood creation, the County, the State, and the Tribe have negotiated and come to an agreement.

[Nashville]

7 minutes ago, Clanstarling said:

I absolutely agree that Hollywood does not equal reality. However, given that this discussion began about a fictional sheriff's election in a fictional county in a series that has already established that Native Americans living on the rez can and do vote in local elections, I'm guessing that in this Hollywood creation, the County, the State, and the Tribe have negotiated and come to an agreement.

Point taken.  ;)

[mytmo]

Like everyone else so disappointed with the ending.  Seriously Cady as Sheriff?  Though it would made more sense her taking over running The Red Pony (and continual soiree).  Vic's character seriously went downhill after her divorce and the "love" scene was retch worthy - she sticks her fingers in his knife wound and topped with his age and the sheer fact that he just put in some serious foot chase and fight time and he's ready to get it on?  Please.  Also did not know the healing properties of Smirnoff.  I'm a Kettle One fan myself but really?  The fresh knife wound magically heals with a handful of Vodka?  I was worried about missing the series as it was the weekend ritual in our house to watch 4 episodes with a pizza.  This series however had the most true to life depiction of Natives on screen - not completely factual but most true.  With the exception of the last episode this was a great series.

[mxc90]

The ending wasn't satisfying. 

Didn't like Walt and Vic getting together. I always thought of them as the father/daughter type. He was better off with Donna.

I would have a hard time seeing Cady immediately getting in the sheriff's seat. I'd rather see Mathias get the job. The writers should have eased her into police work earlier instead of adding that in the last episode. I'm sure after a few months of Cady, Walt's cell phone will ringing with calls for him to return. 

After all these seasons, it was nice they finally showed the mayor (albeit we didn't see him in many episodes and he was a jerk) and gave dialogue questioning/mentioning there are only three/four in the police force and Ruby for the size of that county and high murder rate/crime. The res had more in their force than Walt's group. 

Good series. I'll miss this show.

Edited August 18, 2018 by mxc90

[Gothish520]

On 8/14/2018 at 9:08 AM, mytmo said:

Like everyone else so disappointed with the ending. 

Whoa, not everyone! I LOVED the ending. After seasons of turmoil and strife for pretty much every main character, I loved how each of their stories, though not tied up in neat little bows, landed on notes of hope and positivity. One of the best series finales I've seen.

[Kohola3]

I held off watching the finale because I just didn't want this to be over.  Kind of like waiting to open that special Christmas present last.  And now I'm sorry I didn't get it over with earlier.  What a disappointment!

On 8/18/2018 at 6:10 PM, mxc90 said:

The ending wasn't satisfying. 

Didn't like Walt and Vic getting together. I always thought of them as the father/daughter type. He was better off with Donna.

That love seen was just gag-worthy embarrassing - I had to fast forward through it. So incredibly all kinds of wrong with a high degree of ick factor.   

On 8/14/2018 at 9:08 AM, mytmo said:

Like everyone else so disappointed with the ending.  Seriously Cady as Sheriff?  Though it would made more sense her taking over running The Red Pony (and continual soiree). 

That would have been a great idea since Henry was off running the casino.  Henry in a suit was a little jarring but he'd be the logical one to take over and ensure the tribe benefits from the profits in the proper way.  Or his influence just might have turned things around for Cady as well if he endorsed her in her legal work so she could carry on as an attorney for the tribe.

But Cady as sheriff?  Where the hell did that come from? That whole plot point came out of the blue. 

On 1/11/2018 at 3:58 PM, Gothish520 said:

Matthias was one of my favorite characters and I love how his relationship with Walt progressed. Their scenes together were always a pleasure to watch.

They came a long way in their relationship from the beginning and that was a pleasure to watch.  With Henry in charge of the casino hopefully their relationship improves as well.

On 1/12/2018 at 11:13 AM, PatsyB said:

I would have liked to see any of the native american characters have a romance, Henry, Mathias, and Nighthorse were all attractive and more appealing than Walt.

Ditto.  I always thought Henry and May Stillwater would have been good together, sort of the stable parents of the tribe.  And I could never see too much of Matthias.

On 2/10/2018 at 9:01 AM, Clanstarling said:

I liked Jacob a lot, he was one of my favorite characters, but personally, I didn't really need to see him in prison.

I never really knew what to think of Jacob which was one of the strong parts about the writing and acting.  He wasn't all good or all bad which was refreshing since none of us are.  In the end he paid for his betrayal but I do think he regretted what he had done and not just because he got caught at it.

And random thoughts:

Not sorry to see Malachi dead but you knew he wasn't going to go quietly.  Evilness virtually exuded from every pore which is why Graham Greene is such a great actor.  Interesting that they used the same knife to the gut move by Malachi that Barlow used on himself.

Sorry that Marilyn died.  Beverly is a hoot.  Loved that Zach came back and was an integral part of the wind up.  Scenery was a delight.

Overall it just seemed a little Disney-esque with all of the loose ends neatly tied up and that's why it was just not the finale I expected.  Definitely not an episode I will watch over and over like a do so many of the others.  I'd have to gouge my eyes out if I saw that horrible sex scene again!

[Gothish520]

1 hour ago, Kohola3 said:

I held off watching the finale because I just didn't want this to be over.  Kind of like waiting to open that special Christmas present last.  And now I'm sorry I didn't get it over with earlier.  What a disappointment!

That love seen was just gag-worthy embarrassing - I had to fast forward through it. So incredibly all kinds of wrong with a high degree of ick factor.   

That would have been a great idea since Henry was off running the casino.  Henry in a suit was a little jarring but he'd be the logical one to take over and ensure the tribe benefits from the profits in the proper way.  Or his influence just might have turned things around for Cady as well if he endorsed her in her legal work so she could carry on as an attorney for the tribe.

But Cady as sheriff?  Where the hell did that come from? That whole plot point came out of the blue. 

They came a long way in their relationship from the beginning and that was a pleasure to watch.  With Henry in charge of the casino hopefully their relationship improves as well.

Ditto.  I always thought Henry and May Stillwater would have been good together, sort of the stable parents of the tribe.  And I could never see too much of Matthias.

I never really knew what to think of Jacob which was one of the strong parts about the writing and acting.  He wasn't all good or all bad which was refreshing since none of us are.  In the end he paid for his betrayal but I do think he regretted what he had done and not just because he got caught at it.

And random thoughts:

Not sorry to see Malachi dead but you knew he wasn't going to go quietly.  Evilness virtually exuded from every pore which is why Graham Greene is such a great actor.  Interesting that they used the same knife to the gut move by Malachi that Barlow used on himself.

Sorry that Marilyn died.  Beverly is a hoot.  Loved that Zach came back and was an integral part of the wind up.  Scenery was a delight.

Overall it just seemed a little Disney-esque with all of the loose ends neatly tied up and that's why it was just not the finale I expected.  Definitely not an episode I will watch over and over like a do so many of the others.  I'd have to gouge my eyes out if I saw that horrible sex scene again!

Lol! I didn't mind the sex scene, and I was always a Vic/Walt shipper, so I was happy that they got together.

I don't feel like they tied the ends up neatly, because we don't really know how Vic and Walt's relationship will progress, though there is hope. Also, Ferg was left hanging, we have no idea if his girl took him back or not. Also have no idea if Cady actually becomes Sheriff. I like that things were left very hopeful but open-ended. In my mind, everything works out perfectly for everyone, but I am a huge optimist, so there you go.

[Daltrey]

11 hours ago, Gothish520 said:

Ferg was left hanging, we have no idea if his girl took him back or not.

This was probably the biggest disappointment to me, now that you mention it.  Those two were great together. I don't remember what exactly Ferg did to screw it up but I remember feeling like she wasn't fully justified in her anger. I was really hoping for a reconciliation.

[Kohola3]

9 hours ago, Daltrey said:

I don't remember what exactly Ferg did to screw it up but I remember feeling like she wasn't fully justified in her anger.

He pegged her old boyfriend as being Cowboy Bob and thought she was involved as well.  Pretty egregious.  For his sake I hope she relented but if it were me I'd be pretty peeved as well.

[Gothish520]

7 hours ago, Kohola3 said:

He pegged her old boyfriend as being Cowboy Bob and thought she was involved as well.  Pretty egregious.  For his sake I hope she relented but if it were me I'd be pretty peeved as well.

I agree that she had every right to be pissed - the ex boyfriend was initially a viable suspect, but Ferg went over the top in his pursuit and accusations. That being said, I hope she forgave him..

[Daltrey]

On 9/4/2018 at 12:45 PM, Gothish520 said:

On 9/4/2018 at 5:25 AM, Kohola3 said:

He pegged her old boyfriend as being Cowboy Bob and thought she was involved as well.  Pretty egregious.  For his sake I hope she relented but if it were me I'd be pretty peeved as well.

I agree that she had every right to be pissed - the ex boyfriend was initially a viable suspect, but Ferg went over the top in his pursuit and accusations. That being said, I hope she forgave him..

Ah yes, I remember now. Thank you both, I'll recant my statement now. What bothered me about it was how aggressive Ferg was in his belief. I think it was a bit out of character for him to pursue something that hard and with such conviction. He was always determined to prove himself at the job but he never really came off as completely, blindly jealous, even when Zach and/or Josh was around. In Retrospect, her initial reaction was understandable but I think it was also somewhat out of character for her to not try and see it from his perspective or at least try to talk to him about it and hopefully work things out.  As I recall, she seemed too much of a sweetheart to be hardnosed enough to just cut him out of her life completely without giving him a chance to make amends, but I could be wrong; It's been quite some time since I watched.

[roughing it]

Ahhh, Longmire!  Everything that "Yellowstone" is not (I had high hopes for Yellowstone).  My perfect ending:  1) that another production/channel picked it up, yet again, to continue; 2) that Walt/Vic never got together, because yuck; 3) Cady didn't run for sheriff but stuck it out working with the folks on the res - I think she gave up to quickly (or that her bid for sheriff failed and she returned to her work on the res); and maybe 4) I also like Kohola3's idea of Cady running The Red Pony, but with lawyering on the side, because that is her passion. 

[Ashell]

If you read the 'Longmire' series Cady marries Vic's brother (a 'Philly' cop) and has a baby girl who, of course, is the apple of both Walt's and Standing Bear's eyes.  I won't tell any more because it would ruin the books for those of you who choose to read them BUT this scenario is much better than the ending of the  TV series.  Vic and Walt together was painful to watch and Vic's treatment of Travis was so mean.  He was immature because of his domineering mother but he wasn't a bad guy.  I wish the writers of this final series would have let us know what happened to Travis.  And Cady running for sheriff was ridiculous!  Maybe she'll loose the election, marry Zach, practice law in town and Zach, who is much more qualified, will be come Sheriff.

[Kohola3]

2 hours ago, Ashell said:

And Cady running for sheriff was ridiculous!  Maybe she'll loose the election, marry Zach, practice law in town and Zach, who is much more qualified, will be come Sheriff.

I don't think Travis had enough experience so it would more likely be Vic.  But I agree that it was an abysmal ending to an otherwise outstanding series. I, too, wish they had tied up the loose end on Travis and even Eamonn for that matter. It was never established which was the father.  

And Vic and Walt together was just nauseating.  They are very different characters in the books.

[roughing it]

19 minutes ago, Kohola3 said:

They are very different characters in the books.

How many books are there?  I'd love to start reading them.

[Kohola3]

Fifteen including the one that just came out this month  My favorite is The Highwayman.

[Foxylady]

I must be the only one (not that I've read all the posts, I do have a life) that was happy to see Walt and Vic together.

I get them. 

They both have an extraordinary sense of loyalty. 

They are both tough and set on doing the right thing, regardless of consequences. 

They are both good cops. 

They are both ok with each others quirks. 

They read each other well.

And, they balance each other, he is more head/logic, she more heart/passion. They give each other space to be themselves. 

Henry at the casino 👍

Cady running for sheriff 😒

[Nashville]

My personal I-wish list?   :)

• Walt retires, and he and Lizzie Ambrose end up back together again.  I always thought they were a good couple, I was never very happy with the TV series’ depiction and development (or lack thereof) of the book series’ Walt/Vic relationship, and I could never see Walt and Dr. Donna together without feeling he was stepping out with SOA’s reprehensible Agent Stahl.
• Vic takes over as sheriff and ends up with Eamon, while Ferg stays on as senior deputy and reconciles with Meg.  I thought long and hard about whether Ferg should be sheriff instead, but I don’t think Ferg is really all that ambitious - he just wants to do his job, fish whenever he can, and find someone to love and have a family with.  Besides - I like Ferg, and he’s too nice a character for me to want his good nature unavoidably eroded by the sleazy politics which go hand-in-hand with the sheriff’s position.
• Henry’s right where he should be: managing the casino with integrity for the benefit of his people.
• Cady does double-duty running the Red Pony in Henry’s absence, and doing pro bono lawyer work on the side.

Edited December 25, 2018 by Nashville

[Gothish520]

On 12/15/2018 at 2:44 PM, Foxylady said:

I must be the only one (not that I've read all the posts, I do have a life) that was happy to see Walt and Vic together.

I get them. 

They both have an extraordinary sense of loyalty. 

They are both tough and set on doing the right thing, regardless of consequences. 

They are both good cops. 

They are both ok with each others quirks. 

They read each other well.

And, they balance each other, he is more head/logic, she more heart/passion. They give each other space to be themselves. 

Henry at the casino 👍

Cady running for sheriff 😒

Not the only one! I was happy to see them get together. I loved seeing Walt finally find some happiness and contentment. The finale may not have been flawless (though I still loved it), but the final scene was perfect. 

[thewhiteowl]

I was a fan of Walt's relationship with Vic solely because of the books. It makes a bit more sense there. The show didn't develop it as well and I think Vic was changed to suit putting Katie Sackoff (?)  in the role and the changes were not always to the character's advantage. KS  is a good actor and had some buzz from other roles so I can see why employing her made sense for TV but I didn't think she was a very good fit.  The daughter becoming sheriff also makes more sense there.

[Kohola3]

20 hours ago, Nashville said:

My personal I-wish list?   :)

I agree with most of your list - the biggest thing being Walt not ending up with Vic.  That whole thing made me positively nauseated.

20 minutes ago, thewhiteowl said:

KS  is a good actor and had some buzz from other roles so I can see why employing her made sense for TV but I didn't think she was a very good fit. 

Agree as well.  The book and the series were very, very different.  I hated the finale after the first 30 minutes except for Henry.  Kady as sheriff?  That was just stupid.