S02.E02: Safe as Houses

[pezgirl7]

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Tomas and Marcus attempt to escape Cindy's enraged family, while simultaneously trying to finish her exorcism; Rose is concerned about Caleb's mental state; Andy's neighbors offer to teach the children farming skills; Verity may be hiding something.

[SimoneS]

Great second episode! Wow, the demon conspiracy has either invaded the top levels of the Vatican or those cardinals are naive as hell. Run, Bennett, run!

I have so many questions. What do the Vatican conspirators think that they can do to Marcus?

Rose is right to be suspicious about what is going on. I give up. I don't know which of these kids is possessed. What was that black kid doing out there in the woods at night? He must be too young to have heard Eddie Murphy's rift about black people getting the hell out in haunted movies. At least, he knows that something is wrong.

How did the sheriff not realize that something is seriously wrong with his wife until the hospital? They didn't evacuate the nursery? WTH!

I think that Marcus is right to be worried. Tomas' power is either getting stronger or he is/getting possessed. 

To bad more people don't watch this show. It is soo good.

Edited October 7, 2017 by SimoneS

[Wicked]

I am really enjoying this season so far, except for the actual exorcism scenes, I find them boring. 

[TobinAlbers]

9 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

Rose is right to be suspicious about what is going on. I give up. I don't know which of these kids is possessed. What was that black kid doing out there in the woods at night? He must be too young to have heard Eddie Murphy's rift about black people getting the hell out in haunted movies. At least, he knows that something is wrong.

Ain't that the truth! Shelby stumbling around in the dark like that was a bit much, but what really got me was the boy smearing deformed lamb's blood on the door. Boy that's not the lamb of God! Get thee to a better bible study group if you didn't know that! Sheesh.

Well PossessedCaleb is sowing dissention in the family and Grace is becoming more and more discombobulated to become vulnerable for possession as well.

Bennett remaining his true badass self and not flinching when his whole case blew up and the possessed priest called his bluff was great. He's gonna keep rolling and fight the good fight. But really he brought his own salt and 'holy water'? Bennett should've been Hell no, use mine. But since we saw last year that possessed Casey could stand the holy water slipped to her long enough to escape immediate suspicion we knew it wouldn't work.

The social worker aka his ex throwing Andy's wife in his face is exactly why she should've recused herself form this case and assessment. She's emotionally involved in the wrong way.

Marcus and Tomas snipping at each other as they work is hilarious. Marcus dinging Tomas about when Casey's demon had him on his knees made me laugh even though it may be a bit inappropriate. Marcus had a point- he's been around this way longer than Tomas and has seen many a priest fall into the abyss or worse. Tomas has gone so all in that he's willing to accept this gift a little too readily and he's now compromised as his pride has been mightily inflated and a wedge placed between them and their trust shaky.

Okay, seriously hospital? You evacuate everyone out except one nurse left with the babies?! 

I love how the husband said 'thanks but ya'll need to leave' by simply throwing Marcus the truck keys. 

[SimoneS]

1 minute ago, TobinAlbers said:

Well PossessedCaleb is sowing dissention in the family and Grace is becoming more and more discombobulated to become vulnerable for possession as well.

So you think that Caleb is possessed? He does seem the most likely victim. 

[TobinAlbers]

14 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

So you think that Caleb is possessed? He does seem the most likely victim. 

Last week at the end of the episode when Andy was taking Caleb upstairs we saw his eyes without the glasses and they had the same opaqueness as Cindy and Tomas when the demon is inside his head. Now it could be a misdirect and that is the damage to his eyes that caused his blindness or the demon is smartly using that as its cover. 

Also 

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https://twitter.com/theexorcistfox/status/913991488333156352

the twitter account seems to confirm its Caleb.

 

 

But I also don't think it'll be one possession as everyone in that house is vulnerable in some way- even Andy and the social worker. This demon may play hopscotch. 

[RedheadZombie]

I loved how this episode started - it felt like first season.  Fr. Bennett was always my third favorite priest, but I'm just loving him tonight.   Especially because he's not being chased down a country road by a hillbilly shooting off a sawed-off shotgun.  There's a natural gravitas about the character.  Not being Catholic, the blazing red robes just scream demonic to me on a normal day.  Bennett was crazy for not blessing that water himself, and I'm guessing some of the others at the table are also integrated.  How completely irreverent to dab holy water at his ears as if it were perfume, and then wink.  One guy at the table looked disturbed by the lack of respect.  Why not have him take a full communion performed by another priest?  Oh, I know - the other fathers were gutless.  Such a dire accusation, and he swaggers on in like he's performing at the Apollo.  Where's father Marcus to shank them all in the neck.  And, by the way, the pope is alive.  So I think the security was a success.

My heart cannot handle the sight of Marcus and Tomas tied up together, with scruffy facial hair.  Completely distracting.  Ben Daniels's intensity and charisma remind me of Michael Fassbender.  They really mesmerize me. 

I just don't care about Cindy, and I'm slightly annoyed we're having a second episode about her.  Why does Marcus pronounce Tomas's name as Thomas?  I can't remember if he did that last season.

I like Andy, but I wish he were a female character.  Since our exorcists are Catholic priests, by definition the heroes are male.  Unless Rose suddenly becomes heroic, there's no solid kick-ass that's female.  Even the five foster kids have one more male than female.  I wonder if it's common for single men to foster female children.  Andy wants to add two more fosters?  I wonder what the limit is for a single parent.  I wonder what the demand for foster parents is in such an isolated area.

So Nicole was the kids' foster mother, and apparently self-harmed.  Perhaps Grace witnessed it, or is simply the most traumatized?  I wonder how long it's been, because it doesn't seem helpful that she stays up in her room 24/7.  Although someone pointed out last week that Andy's the only one to have seen her so far.  Seems true this week, too.

It's pretty disgusting that the sheriff just lets his "wife" torture that poor man.  He also made zero attempt to rescue the newborns when his wife was subdued.

Bennett has a supporter, and it looks like he's going to team up with that kick-ass female I was asking for!

I knew the laboring sheep was going to end badly.  I'm sure the parakeet is toast, too.  Paranormal shows only have pets so they can kill them. I guess the house is actually cursed now since Shelby used the demonic lamb's blood.

[pezgirl7]

Is it possible no one is possessed at this point? Maybe there's just an evil presence lurking around. I don't know how a demon could cause the issue with the lamb, or the worms in the apples. Seems like a larger force is at work. Caleb seemed truly scared of Verity in the kitchen, so I think whatever made him go out to the well sounded like Verity to him. I thought maybe the social worker was possessed, because she was typing that Caleb standing on the well was a ritual of strength, before Andy told her that info. But maybe she found out another way, or it was a continuity error.

I still think Grace might be a ghost. Maybe her death is what caused Andy's wife to kill herself? It would kind of tie in to the Cindy story, since her possession had something to do with the loss of her child.

I'm also wondering how many episodes it's going to take before Marcus and Tomas show up at the foster home, if they ever do!

Edited October 7, 2017 by pezgirl7

[RedheadZombie]

55 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

Great second episode! Wow, the demon conspiracy has either invaded the top levels of the Vatican or those cardinals are naive as hell. Run, Bennett, run!

I have so many questions. What do the Vatican conspirators think that they can do to Marcus?

Rose is right to be suspicious about what is going on. I give up. I don't know which of these kids is possessed. What was that black kid doing out there in the woods at night? He must be too young to have heard Eddie Murphy's rift about black people getting the hell out in haunted movies. At least, he knows that something is wrong.

How did the sheriff not realize that something is seriously wrong with his wife until the hospital? They didn't evacuate the nursery? WTH!

I think that Marcus is right to be worried. Tomas' power is either getting stronger or he is/getting possessed. 

To bad more people don't watch this show. It is soo good.

Wasn't Shelby returning from the nightmarish lamb birth?

I think there's some infestation going on with Tomas.  He seems to almost taunt Marcus about being insecure with Tomas's gift.

4 minutes ago, pezgirl7 said:

Is it possible no one is possessed at this point? Maybe there's just an evil presence lurking around. I don't know how a demon could cause the issue with the lamb, or the worms in the apples. Seems like a larger force is at work. Caleb seemed truly scared of Verity in the kitchen, so I think whatever made him go out to the well sounded like Verity to him. I thought maybe the social worker was possessed, because she was typing that Caleb standing on the well was a ritual of strength, before Andy told her that info. But maybe she found out another way, or it was a continuity error.

I still think Grace might be a ghost. Maybe her death is what caused Andy's wife to kill herself? It would kind of tie in to the Cindy story, since her possession had something to do with the loss of her child.

I'm also wondering how many episodes it's going to take before Marcus and Tomas show up at the foster home, if they ever do!

I think the worms were a hallucination.  Verity didn't notice anything when she walked in, and she should have seen Caleb's dropped wormy apple.

Another reason I think it's Caleb is because he lied about Verity.  He knows she's vulnerable and he's preying on her.

P.S.  I don't know why, but I'm having a heck of a time not calling Verity Veracity.  I typed the wrong name but caught it before I posted.

[pezgirl7]

16 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

I think the worms were a hallucination.  Verity didn't notice anything when she walked in, and she should have seen Caleb's dropped wormy apple.

Another reason I think it's Caleb is because he lied about Verity.  He knows she's vulnerable and he's preying on her.

I didn't get the sense that Caleb knew there were maggots in the apple, just that it didn't taste right. He couldn't see them after all. He placed the apple down by the sink, so that's why Verity didn't see it. Caleb might not have been lying if the demon took the form, or voice, or Verity. Also, it wouldn't make sense that he would tell her to leave him alone, unless he truly believed that she was the one who left him at the well.

[ZoloftBlob]

Am I the only one who saw a weird flash in Tomas's eyes as the demon left Cindy? Because I am pretty sure I saw that....

[piequinn35]

Grace was not in the picture of Andy, Nicole and 4 kids, was she a new foster kid or a ghost?

[7isBlue]

1 hour ago, piequinn35 said:

Grace was not in the picture of Andy, Nicole and 4 kids, was she a new foster kid or a ghost?

Yes! I noticed that, too. I think it's odd that no one else interacts with Grace. When Shelby was in the woods, he was reciting scripture. Junior Exorcist intern?

Side note:  All I could think of during that scene of Shelby running through the forest was, "Have the lambs stopped screaming, Clarice?" <shudder>

[mertensia]

Run, Father Bennett, run!

Once again, this is how you do creepy.

I'm with Marcus. How can you not be scared of demonic possession ?

[SimoneS]

8 hours ago, pezgirl7 said:

I still think Grace might be a ghost. Maybe her death is what caused Andy's wife to kill herself? It would kind of tie in to the Cindy story, since her possession had something to do with the loss of her child.

It never occurred to me that Grace is a ghost, but I think that you might be right.

[Door]

I love this show and am so glad it's back!

Good call on Grace, you guys! Odd that no one else interacts with her - maybe she's the demon! Only a demon would come up with that pillow case nightmare, after all.

[mertensia]

Grace is just creepy. If anything about this show would give me nightmares it's the girl in the pillowcase.

[Happy Belly]

Just when I think I couldn’t love this show anymore, this cast and crew prove me wrong.  So good to see Father Bennett again but why, oh why, did he not be the one to do the blessing? Too early in the season, I guess. Marcus and Tomas have to be the sexiest exorcists EVER!  I wouldn’t live in Andy’s house if you paid me. Grace and her pillowcase head give me the creeps.

[piequinn35]

I like watching Ghost Adventures and they said that demons do pretend to be a little girl so Grace might be a demon also.

16 hours ago, ZoloftBlob said:

Am I the only one who saw a weird flash in Tomas's eyes as the demon left Cindy? Because I am pretty sure I saw that....

Cindy and Tomas got a connection thru the visions the demon was in his mind too I think the flash in his eyes was when they finally exorcised the demon.

[RedheadZombie]

16 hours ago, pezgirl7 said:

I didn't get the sense that Caleb knew there were maggots in the apple, just that it didn't taste right. He couldn't see them after all. He placed the apple down by the sink, so that's why Verity didn't see it. Caleb might not have been lying if the demon took the form, or voice, or Verity. Also, it wouldn't make sense that he would tell her to leave him alone, unless he truly believed that she was the one who left him at the well.

But someone would have eventually noticed a maggot-filled apple, with one piece bitten out.  My impression was it was maggot-filled in his mind, but since he's blind that's harder to get across to the audience.  The maggots were shown for the audience to understand why he spat it out.  Demonic infestation is more about the mind games, which makes me feel that the apple was fine, and it was all in his mind.  There's a reason we didn't see a shot of the maggot-apple when Caleb walked away.  And he's being secretive by not mentioning it to Verity when she was right there.  And I did not sense any fear of Verity, more like anger, which is why he knocked all the apples over as he sashayed out of the room.  He knew who would have to clean that up.  So he was degrading Verity on a certain level.  Plus, my opinion is he lied to pin his bizarre disappearance on Verity.  He's then the sympathetic victim, and she's the out of control bitch, likely to be kicked out of the house.  I imagine the demon may continue to isolate Caleb by driving others away.  

I still believe that Caleb is the possessed one.  I'm firmly convinced that the glasses were the dead give away.  I'm sure blind people still wear sunglasses on occasion, I just doubt it's within the privacy of their own bedroom.  Plus we saw Caleb's glowing eyes, and he was a little too pleased as Andy was carrying him back into his room.  Plus he's isolating himself, as evidenced by locking Truck out of the room, and the creepy manipulating of the record player the night he ran off.

You're absolutely right, the demon could have manipulated Caleb by the sound of Verity's voice.  But I can't believe he would be willing to risk his life by climbing out of second floor window, rather than walking down the stairs - if he actually believed he was simply being taken to the well for the initiation.  And he was a little too casual about telling Andy this traumatic story. 

The problem, for me, is that he saw these kids all of five minutes before the demonic stuff began.  It felt more organic and careful season one.  In fact, we saw every step of Casey's possession - how it started out kind and supportive, then seductive,  then cruel and oppressive.  They teased us for the first episode, thinking it might be Kat.  But this season feels like unnecessary misdirect by giving every single child a vulnerability, and then strange behavior to make us question who's the Regan.  And while the possibility that Grace is a ghost is tantalizing on any other paranormal show (they've already done that on American Horror Story:  Murder House), I'm not sure how it's going to fit onto the show that's very black and white, good versus evil, God versus the devil.  I wonder if it's simply Andy's delusion out of grief.  Maybe she's a crutch to comfort him, and that's why the youngest child lives up in the attic all alone.  Perhaps she's meant to be his child with his wife, but she doesn't look particularly Asian.  I'm not sure, but I'm interested.  I'm sure you're 100% right and I'm wrong, these are just the impressions that I'm getting. 

[piequinn35]

Do you think that Grace pretended to be Verity that led Caleb to the well?

[RedheadZombie]

5 minutes ago, piequinn35 said:

I like watching Ghost Adventures and they said that demons do pretend to be a little girl so Grace might be a demon also.

Cindy and Tomas got a connection thru the visions the demon was in his mind too I think the flash in his eyes was when they finally exorcised the demon.

You're right, they do say that demons present as little girls, and they do this to inspire sympathy and the permission to stay in the house.  I'm not crazy about this theory though, because it implies that Andy is the most vulnerable of them all.  But, it would make it more interesting in a slow boil kind of way.  Demons just don't show up and start possessing people within minutes.  It's like the show is entirely skipping the stage of infestation, and leaping from oppression to possession.  Typically something weird is happening with the household, which is causing a generalized discomfort to all who live there.   This was harder to gage in the Rance household because Henry had brain damage, Kat was still recovering from the trauma of her accident, and Angela was pretty much a head case.  So I can buy that things were happening in this house without anyone but Casey noticing.  Andy seems far too sharp and sensitive to miss all of these signs, have one of his charges be on the brink of possession without noticing, and having a little girl up in his attic that no one sees or speaks to, but him.  Although I have a theory that Andy is the ultimate target, just as Angela/Regan was.  There has to be something behind the fact they hired a known actor to play his wife.  I'm wondering if she's going to be the face of the demon, as the creepy old man was last season.

Does anyone recall if Andy has ever actually named the number of foster kids he has?  If I get time, I need to go back and watch both episodes.  I'm guessing he never says four or five, and that he never mentions Grace to Social Worker.  I know he suggested Grace meet the SW, but I don't believe the reverse happened.  I'm focusing on this hard because I didn't initially pick up on - American Horror Story:  Murder House spoiler:

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That Tate was a ghost (at least at the beginning), or that Violet had successfully committed suicide and continued on as a ghost in the house - fooling even her own parents.

 

24 minutes ago, piequinn35 said:

Do you think that Grace pretended to be Verity that led Caleb to the well?

Perhaps, if Grace is the form of the demon.  But I'm still hung up on the fact that Caleb is lying.  Although I'm sure I'll be proved wrong. 

[ZoloftBlob]

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Cindy and Tomas got a connection thru the visions the demon was in his mind too I think the flash in his eyes was when they finally exorcised the demon.

See, I interpreted that as the demon going into Tomas. Coupled with his snippy "I'm the chosen one" attitude later at Marcus over how going into the mind of the possessed was his gift.... I thought this was the initial. Like when the demon went into Sister Mary Eunice in American Horror Story Asylum. 

Speaking of American Horror Story conceits... yes, it is increasingly noticeable that no one interacts with Grace but Andy and the lady from Social Services hasn't expressed any concern about the eight year old agoraphobe in the house of teenagers who doesn't go to school, speak out loud or leave the attic unless no one else is around....

[RedheadZombie]

Okay, I'm doing a re-watch.  Regarding Andy and foster children:

Episode one:  Neither Andy, nor anyone else, names the number of foster children.  None of the older four children mention Grace.  Grace only refers to the other four when looking out the window at them, "Are they going to school?".

If there's a closeness between any of the kids, it seems to be between Caleb and Verity.  She's the one to hand him his seeing eye cane after the well scene, she's makes an excuse for Caleb's father to have missed the court case, and reaches out to comfort Caleb at the dinner table.  When Caleb is missing, Verity insists on searching for him, and says "that's my brother out there". 

As pointed out last week, not one person mentions Grace when they all go out searching for Caleb.  When Caleb falls through the boards and Andy saves him, Caleb acts confused and says, "A-Andy?", even though Andy had said - coming to get you, hold on, okay, and give me your hand - as if Caleb had been in a trance.

When Andy is looking at the picture of himself with Nicole, it says the picture is from five years ago.

As Andy carries Caleb upstairs, Andy sees Grace and tells her to go to bed, and of course Caleb can't see her, and doesn't ask Andy who he's speaking to.  Caleb looks into the camera with an eerie expression, and his eyes are blue with the white cast over them.  Rose follows up the stairs after Grace is out of sight, and she notices small hand prints underneath the wall of pictures she'd looked at earlier.  As the camera focuses on the last hand print (there's a total of eight), we see a flaw in the wall.

Episode Two:   Rose comes upon Andy boarding up the well.  She questions how a blind kid ends up out in the woods on a well.  Andy mentions he's contemplating two more fosters (without specifying how many he currently has).  Truck can't get in to feed the parakeet because Caleb's locked him out of their room.  

Farm couple drop in and invite Shelby to witness the birth of the lamb.  Lamb is born deformed and screaming, kills it's mother(?), and is killed by farmer husband.  Shelby walks home through the woods in the dark reading the bible, and is freaked out by something moving and making lamb bleating sounds.  He smears the deformed lamb's blood onto the foster house, and tells Andy it's to protect them from something in the woods.  

Rose questions Caleb, who is a smartass and plays dumb.  He walks out on the conversation.  Rose tal

ks to Andy, and rubs it in that he's no expert on recognizing warning signs of depression and self-harming (obviously referring to Nicole). She expresses confusion regarding what happened, and what her report will say.  Questions how he can move on without Nicole.  Andy walks out and sees Grace, Rose does not see her.

Caleb eats wormy apple, spits his mouthful into the sink, and places apple with squirming worms on the counter.  Verity stands right next to wormy apple with no comment.  Caleb walks away and knocks over bushel of apples.  He tells Andy that Verity made him go outside and left him at the well.   Andy accuses Verity who denies it, and again encounters Grace who no one else sees.  Andy tells Rose that Caleb went out by himself for the ritual.

So for first two episodes, no one sees Grace except Andy, and no one speaks of or to Grace, except Andy. 

[PhoneCop]

On 10/6/2017 at 7:53 PM, RedheadZombie said:

Why does Marcus pronounce Tomas's name as Thomas?  I can't remember if he did that last season.

He did; I know because when the renewal happened, I remember thinking, "Man, I hope Marcus learns how to pronounce Tomas' name in Season 2." I think in interviews, Ben pronounces it the same way, so either that's the way it comes out in his accent or he somehow hasn't twigged to the difference between TOM-uss and toe-MOSS.

Has it been established what kind of Christian Shelby is? I'm assuming he's Catholic because it's The Exorcist, but I'm actually hoping he's not, just because it would be interesting to see how someone of strong faith but a different denomination plays into the situation.

[RedheadZombie]

3 hours ago, PhoneCop said:

He did; I know because when the renewal happened, I remember thinking, "Man, I hope Marcus learns how to pronounce Tomas' name in Season 2." I think in interviews, Ben pronounces it the same way, so either that's the way it comes out in his accent or he somehow hasn't twigged to the difference between TOM-uss and toe-MOSS.

Has it been established what kind of Christian Shelby is? I'm assuming he's Catholic because it's The Exorcist, but I'm actually hoping he's not, just because it would be interesting to see how someone of strong faith but a different denomination plays into the situation.

I've always found Europeans to be a lot more sophisticated in using proper accents, but maybe Ben is a rare bird.  Everything about that man does something for me.  

For some reason I assumed Shelby was born again because that's what I'm familiar with, and Catholics I've known have been less likely to speak of God and religion in almost every conversation, as Shelby tends to do.  I'm not familiar with Catholic-specific prayers, so that doesn't help.  Maybe he'll drop a "church" or a "mass" to help us figure it out. 

[tennisgurl]

This show is so awesomely creepy, I just love it. It relies on good old fashioned creepy atmosphere and ideas instead of violence and jump scares like so many horror shows/movies do now, but it also has interesting characters and an intriguing story line. 

Father Benedict is back! The conspiracy is huge and is practically engulfing the church, so now Benedict has to go rouge to keep fighting the good fight. I love the actor who plays him, he has such authority and presence to him. Now that Benedict is going off the grid though, how will he let Tomas and Marcus about the foster home? I assume they'll get there soon! 

Tomas needs to be careful about his new demon powers. Letting the demon in might have helped here, but letting a demon into your head? Especially when the demons are clearly after you? Not a good long term solution. Listen to Marcus, this is his whole life, he knows this stuff. Also, I would have been way more of a dick to the husband and the redneck squad than Marcus and Tomas were. Yeah demonic possession isn't an easy pill to swallow, but it was clear something weird was going on. "I hate to throw out an I told you so..."

I wasn't really thinking that Grace was a ghost or a demon last week, but now? I am starting to think its possible. And that while Caleb might be possessed, Andy is the real target of the demons. His wife presumably killed herself, and now maybe they want to get him to follow her, or become possessed as well? Demons do love to corrupt good people after all. The social services woman seems alright, but throwing his wife's probably death at him was a low blow. 

I hope the old farm couple dont get taken out by the demon. They seem nice. Caleb clearly has some issues with the demon lamb blood. Maybe he had some traumatic past and he is holding onto religion super hard as a coping mechanism? Which makes him a solid possession candidate as well. This house needs an army of exorcists! 

[RedheadZombie]

16 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

This show is so awesomely creepy, I just love it. It relies on good old fashioned creepy atmosphere and ideas instead of violence and jump scares like so many horror shows/movies do now, but it also has interesting characters and an intriguing story line. 

Father Benedict is back! The conspiracy is huge and is practically engulfing the church, so now Benedict has to go rouge to keep fighting the good fight. I love the actor who plays him, he has such authority and presence to him. Now that Benedict is going off the grid though, how will he let Tomas and Marcus about the foster home? I assume they'll get there soon! 

Tomas needs to be careful about his new demon powers. Letting the demon in might have helped here, but letting a demon into your head? Especially when the demons are clearly after you? Not a good long term solution. Listen to Marcus, this is his whole life, he knows this stuff. Also, I would have been way more of a dick to the husband and the redneck squad than Marcus and Tomas were. Yeah demonic possession isn't an easy pill to swallow, but it was clear something weird was going on. "I hate to throw out an I told you so..."

I wasn't really thinking that Grace was a ghost or a demon last week, but now? I am starting to think its possible. And that while Caleb might be possessed, Andy is the real target of the demons. His wife presumably killed herself, and now maybe they want to get him to follow her, or become possessed as well? Demons do love to corrupt good people after all. The social services woman seems alright, but throwing his wife's probably death at him was a low blow. 

I hope the old farm couple dont get taken out by the demon. They seem nice. Caleb clearly has some issues with the demon lamb blood. Maybe he had some traumatic past and he is holding onto religion super hard as a coping mechanism? Which makes him a solid possession candidate as well. This house needs an army of exorcists! 

It's Father Bennett, but I've been tempted to call him Benedict too, it seems more Catholic.  And I agree - I mentioned that he has a gravitas about him.  I'm worried about how he's going to find Marcus/Tomas, but maybe Bennett has spidey senses.

I'm really worried about Tomas.  He's irritating me this season with his arrogance and taunting of Marcus.  I suspect he may already have a little bit of an oppression going.  I'm glad to be rid of the stereotypical redneck crew.

I agree that Andy may be the true target!  I think I mentioned it upthread.  He's just too good of a character to be a simple babysitter.  I'm not sure yet if his wife is dead or simply gone, but I'm thinking she may be the face of the demon.  I still don't have a good read on social worker, Rose.  I wonder if she was close with Nicole, and that's why she lays so much blame on Andy.  I don't get evil yet.  But she is somewhat protecting Andy, which fits into the plan to keep Caleb with Andy, if Andy is the ultimate target.  

The farm couple is nice, but seem like simple plot devices to get us the demented lamb, and the possibility of accidentally cursing the house with tainted lamb's blood.  

I like this episode soooo much more than the previous one.  I still miss Chicago, and I'm going to miss the inner turmoil within the upper echelons of the Catholic Church.  But I cannot wait until Bennett shows up and the band is back together.  They showed a picture of Maria, so I wonder if she will make another appearance.  Why else show the picture?

[piequinn35]

Tomas and Marcus are going to Seattle or somewhere in Washington, the foster home is in an island close to Seattle, so they are close.

[PhoneCop]

2 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

But I cannot wait until Bennett shows up and the band is back together. 

Yeah, this. I'm not any more optimistic about another season than I was last year, so I hope the Holy Trinity gets some real sceneage together this season. Like, I want the cameras going 360 while all three are back to back to back chanting in Latin and shit's on fire and everything's falling down around them. Just seven seconds of that.

[CelticBlackCat]

I don't like social worker Rose whether she's bringing in a demon, is a demon, or is just a mortal.  Everything was fine at Andy's foster home until she turned up for the prolonged inspection visit.  I agree that little girl Grace is not real, but is she a figment of Andy's imagination, a ghost/apparition that decided to live in the attic, or a demon Andy only communicates with?  I don't see her as his biological daughter with his white wife because the child is not half Asian.  Maybe we will find out she was a real foster child that had a bad ending.

I still believe that regardless of the credits, Ben Daniels' Marcus Keane is The Exorcist.  Alfonso Herrera's Father Tomas is the apprentice with only six months experience at this point.

Here's a thought:  What if Fr. Tomas meets his end by becoming possessed like Fr. Karras in the movie The Exorcist?  He is already arrogant and impatient.  There seems to have already been some demonic goings-on with his eyes.

[PandoraTHExplora]

2 hours ago, PhoneCop said:

Yeah, this. I'm not any more optimistic about another season than I was last year, so I hope the Holy Trinity gets some real sceneage together this season. Like, I want the cameras going 360 while all three are back to back to back chanting in Latin and shit's on fire and everything's falling down around them. Just seven seconds of that.

THIS!!!!! Haha, love these three guys altogether. Can’t wait to see the cool intense ways they perform future exorcisms. 

[rubinia]

On 06/10/2017 at 9:24 PM, TobinAlbers said:

Okay, seriously hospital? You evacuate everyone out except one nurse left with the babies?! 

Yes!! Also there's  no way in hell (pun intended?) I would evacuate the hospital without my baby!

[rubinia]

15 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I've always found Europeans to be a lot more sophisticated in using proper accents

Not Brits ;)

(I'm a total Anglophile, no offense intended)

[Addlepated]

My husband is complaining that this season has turned into Supernatural and keeps calling the priests "Sammy" and "Dean."

I'm more on board with it, but the way they're getting the exorcists to the island seems a bit contrived to me.  

The showrunners are still the masters of the creepy atmo!

[Straycat80]

I'm so glad this show is back and it fills my Friday night must watch TV spot since Grimm is done.

Good call on Grace being a ghost. And I'm glad Father Bennett is still alive. The one thing I was afraid of was that the demon was going to jump out of Cindy and into one of those newborn babies. 

[PandoraTHExplora]

8 hours ago, Addlepated said:

My husband is complaining that this season has turned into Supernatural and keeps calling the priests "Sammy" and "Dean."

I'm more on board with it, but the way they're getting the exorcists to the island seems a bit contrived to me.  

The showrunners are still the masters of the creepy atmo!

I do see the similarities between the priests and the Winchester’s...like, Marcus is dean with his whole “why are you NOT afraid of this?” comment. Reminds me a lot of the first seasons where dean was warning Sam about using his powers since he could potentially go evil with all of it.  I liked that storyline a lot which is PROBABLY why I am so into this show right now- lol! 

 

Oh, and the fact that the priests are super sexy is another similarity and a plus in my books. ?

[jay741982]

On 10/7/2017 at 0:02 AM, ZoloftBlob said:

Am I the only one who saw a weird flash in Tomas's eyes as the demon left Cindy? Because I am pretty sure I saw that....

I don't think I saw that but it seemed the demon left Cindy kinda quietly . I wouldn't be surprised if Tomas has the demon in him. 

[RedheadZombie]

13 hours ago, jay741982 said:

I don't think I saw that but it seemed the demon left Cindy kinda quietly . I wouldn't be surprised if Tomas has the demon in him. 

It did seem relatively easy.  I think Tomas is experiencing oppression, but I don't think he's possessed quite yet - based on nothing.  I remain convinced that Andy is the true target on the island, again based on nothing.  My Tomas love is fading with each arrogant comment.  I wouldn't mind him being a little humbled, and acknowledging Marcus is the superior exorcist.  Six months under his belt and Tomas thinks he's the most gifted of them all, and can forego further mentoring.  Pride goeth before the fall and all.