walnutqueen July 23, 2017 Share July 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, Petunia13 said: A fire breathing T-Rex is what I'd imagined for my avatar (signifying weak ineffectual arms and a ferocious demeanor), but a kindly fellow poster helped me with this avatar, so I kinda look like Barney. :-D 5 Link to comment
Sandman87 July 24, 2017 Share July 24, 2017 Military trivia: Contrary to almost every depiction you've ever encountered, vikings did not go into battle wearing helmets with horns or wings on them. When Phillip II besieged Chateau Gaillard to take it away from the English, the central bailey of the castle fell when some of the French soldiers crawled up the garderobe (toilet) chute and opened the gate. The B-52 bomber was last produced in 1962, and there are still (as of 2013) 78 of them still in service. The Air Force plans to keep them flying until 2045. When US and Canadian soldiers invaded the Pacific island of Kiska during WW II, there were 313 casualties despite the fact that the Japanese had abandoned the island two weeks beforehand. It's widely believed that during the English Civil War, Royalist commander Sir Arthur Aston was beaten to death with his own wooden leg. 3 Link to comment
Qoass July 24, 2017 Share July 24, 2017 (edited) Quote The average man/woman can go without food for 20 days, but can survive only 2 days without drinking. More like 2 hours if you have my job. But that's another thread... Edited July 24, 2017 by Qoass 6 Link to comment
Petunia13 July 24, 2017 Author Share July 24, 2017 @Qoass ? In the EU and U.K. its illegal to perform surgical procedures on an octopus ? without anesthesia for their pain because of their intelligence and cognitive ability. 7 Link to comment
janestclair July 24, 2017 Share July 24, 2017 Octopuses are my favorite cephalopod. They can open jars and solve puzzles and (maybe) recognize themselves in a mirror. They can also camouflage themselves amazingly well, changing not only their color but their texture as well. This ability is due to something called chromatophores, which are specialized, pigment-containing skin cells. They can also detach an arm and throw it at a would-be predator, and then grow it back. They have 3 hearts, and blue blood, and the majority of their nervous system is actually in their arms. 12 Link to comment
Blergh July 25, 2017 Share July 25, 2017 (edited) OK, it's well-known that Joan of Arc achieved amazing military feats before her horrible murder at roughly the age of 19 in 1431 . However; what's less known is that the only surviving known written tribute to her while she was living (Ditíe de Jehanne de Arc)was written by none other than Christine de Pizan . She was an Italian-born French noblewoman who, after her husband's sudden death when she herself was 25, became a writer to earn a living for herself and her family at a time when even literate women were not encouraged to do so. Mme. de Pizan wrote about the struggles and triumphs of historic women and was an advocate for women's rights when that concept was virtually unheard of. Anyway, after her children were grown and settled and her own mother's death, she opted to become a nun but she was so inspire by Joan's achievements that she took up the quill one last time to honor this young girl. Edited July 26, 2017 by Blergh 2 Link to comment
Zola July 26, 2017 Share July 26, 2017 "Outer Space" isn't actually all that far away from us; it starts a mere 62 miles (100km) above sea level. But wrap up well because space is extremely cold, with an average temperature of -270°C (-450°F). And if you needed help in space (assuming you weren't wearing a space suit and were holding your breath), don't bother shouting, screaming or firing a gun, or anything else that may generate noise (satellites, rockets, space shuttles etc), because no one would hear as space is almost a perfect vacuum. Link to comment
Sandman87 July 29, 2017 Share July 29, 2017 Morley is the most popular fictional brand of cigarettes in TV, movies, video games, and other media. It's been appearing at least since 1960, when it was shown at the end of Psycho. Similarly, characters often fly on Oceanic Airlines, and Finder-Spyder dominates web searching. 2 Link to comment
Blergh July 29, 2017 Share July 29, 2017 Sandman, Since "Psycho" was created by Sir Alfred Hitchcock could the name 'Morley' been inspired by his fellow rotund, gourmand, countryman and colleague Sir Robert Morley (who shined in his starring role in an "Alfred Hitchcock Presents" episode 'Specialty of the House')? Too bad Sir Robert has been somewhat forgotten since his death in 1992 but anyone watching "The Great Muppet Caper" will know exactly who I am talking about since he played the eponymous Englishman on the park bench warmly welcoming said Muppets to England after nonchalantly witnessing them crashing down! Regardless, it would be nice to think that Sir Robert has been immortalized via that brand! 1 Link to comment
Petunia13 July 29, 2017 Author Share July 29, 2017 Only 3,890 tigers are left in the wild. 3 Link to comment
Blergh July 30, 2017 Share July 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Petunia13 said: Only 3,890 tigers are left in the wild. What's even sadder is that there may be at least twice that number living in the US alone in 'private collections' including many backyards with fences and even basements! The linked article not only is sad re the tigers' fates but also a bit alarming re what this could mean to the 'private collections' neighbors. http://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-tigers-live-in-the-united-states-2016-6 1 Link to comment
Blergh August 8, 2017 Share August 8, 2017 Sean Connery and the late Harpo Marx have something in common: they are the only adult stars so far to insist on having being shoeless when having their footprints immortalized in front of Grauman's Chinese Theatre. 2 Link to comment
ratgirlagogo August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 For those of you around NYC, or who might think of visiting here, there is a mini-version of Grauman's in front of Theatre 80 St. Marks (formerly a movie repertory house, now a live-action theatre. http://forgotten-ny.com/2014/10/theater-80-sidewalk-east-village/ http://gotten-ny.com/1999/08/the-stars-of-st-marks-place/ http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/35807 Link to comment
Sandman87 August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 Temperatures in the Earth's thermosphere can reach 4,530 °F, but it's so close to being a vacuum that it wouldn't even feel warm if you managed to stick your hand into it. The word "hysteria" comes from the Greek word for "uterus." At one time the ancient Greeks believed that the uterus would move around and press against other internal organs, which would then cause emotional symptoms. The novel Gadsby by Ernest Vincent Wright is roughly 50,000 words long, and was written without using the letter "e". The author immobilized the "e" on his typewriter so he would be forced to figure out how to tell the story using only e-less words. Note that only the story itself is e-less; the introduction, author's name, and so on were written normally. Some later printings of the book accidentally inserted some "e"s. Contrary to popular belief, mules can reproduce on rare occasions. There are at least 60 documented cases of female mules giving birth. 2 Link to comment
Blergh August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 Cab Calloway and Ethel Merman had something in common: they both had their earliest known filmed appearances doing live action performances then singing within Betty Boop cartoons when they were each 24! Mr. Calloway was first shown conducting his swing orchestra and doing a proto moon walk in the live action opening cartoon in which he then sang and 'voiced' several scary characters taunting Betty and her companion Bimbo while singing his trademark song in the Betty Boop cartoon of the same name "Minnie the Moocher"! Miss Merman was seen uncharacteristically sedately singing in someone's window box the song "Let Me Call You Sweetheart" three times while encouraging the movie audiences to do the same- then lastly voicing a rather aggressive black cat singing the song while chasing newly hatched baby chicks! The main cartoon itself of Betty Boop within that framework had nothing to do with the song. One odd note is that in the credits the year was stated as '1930' but it wasn't actually produced until 1932 . Link to comment
ennui August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 Adult giraffes almost never sleep for longer than five minutes at a stretch in the wild, often modifying the position so that they remain standing with their head and neck curved around to rest on their hindquarters. All in all, adult giraffes get by on just 30 minutes of sleep a night (on average). It’s the shortest sleep requirement in the entire animal kingdom. 3 Link to comment
Quof August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 Quote All in all, adult giraffes get by on just 30 minutes of sleep a night (on average) Welcome to my life. 12 Link to comment
Sandman87 August 10, 2017 Share August 10, 2017 5 hours ago, Quof said: Welcome to my life. On a positive note, you can more easily reach the tasty leaves that are higher up in the trees. 7 Link to comment
Giselle August 19, 2017 Share August 19, 2017 http://www.neatorama.com/2017/08/17/The-Worlds-Sewing-Kit/ 2 Link to comment
Blergh August 19, 2017 Share August 19, 2017 Fairly good article re Dansk Cookie boxes, Giselle (though I'd have preferred reading a small summary here rather than just click to the link but that's just MO). Anyway, that's gotten me to think about the fact that for over a half century, my mother's kept my sibs' and my own baby teeth in her jewelry box. I wonder how many other folks' mothers have done the same- and has anyone actually gone to the trouble of doing a survey to find out if what percentage of women have kept their descendants' and/or other relatives' baby teeth in jewelry boxes. 2 Link to comment
Cherry Bomb August 19, 2017 Share August 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Blergh said: Fairly good article re Dansk Cookie boxes, Giselle (though I'd have preferred reading a small summary here rather than just click to the link but that's just MO). Anyway, that's gotten me to think about the fact that for over a half century, my mother's kept my sibs' and my own baby teeth in her jewelry box. I wonder how many other folks' mothers have done the same- and has anyone actually gone to the trouble of doing a survey to find out if what percentage of women have kept their descendants' and/or other relatives' baby teeth in jewelry boxes. I remember I had a baby teeth pillow. Whenever I lost a tooth there was a little compartment to put the tooth in and then my Mom would write on the pillow over the compartment where the tooth was the date I lost the tooth. I wonder where that little pillow is now. It must be in a box somewhere. 1 Link to comment
Sandman87 August 19, 2017 Share August 19, 2017 1 hour ago, forumfish said: I bet I'm the only person whose dad glued his kids' baby teeth to a tie tack. And wore it. Cute, yet morbid. I like it! 2 Link to comment
Blergh August 20, 2017 Share August 20, 2017 (edited) 23 hours ago, forumfish said: I bet I'm the only person whose dad glued his kids' baby teeth to a tie tack. And wore it. How did he manage to get those past your mom? Just curious. OK, in honor of tomorrow's Uno Wutt, it should be noted that the Ancient Chinese were about the first to be able to predict solar eclipses . However; even though they knew WHEN these were supposed to happen, they believed that this meant that a Celestial Dragon would be trying to EAT the sun . Hence; it was imperative that they'd knew in advance so everyone would be at the ready with drums and gongs to beat to distract said dragon from swallowing the big yellow ball. It seems in 2134 BC, two astronomers failed to do this and all the Chinese up to the Emperor were furious at how close they'd dodged the bullet with the dragon so when they found the astronomers had been drunk, the emperor had them beheaded for their negligence nearly causing the world to end. Edited August 20, 2017 by Blergh grammar 2 Link to comment
ratgirlagogo August 21, 2017 Share August 21, 2017 Here's my surprise fact for today, discovered on a food and cooking discussion site. A (Chinese-American) poster shared her mother's recipe for lion's head meatballs that started with "1/2 catty minced pork" - of course most every reader including me assumed this was some kind of typo - "what's a catty?" "well it must be less than a doggy, more than a mousey", etc. haw haw. Believe it or not, NO. https://sizes.com/units/catty.htm It is a real unit of measure used in Southeast Asia (originally in Malyasia) and in China and seems to derive from the tea trade originally. A catty is 1.333 pounds. Now if I could only figure out a way to casually work this into my everyday conversation. 2 Link to comment
janestclair August 21, 2017 Share August 21, 2017 On 8/19/2017 at 2:19 PM, Cherry Bomb said: I remember I had a baby teeth pillow. Whenever I lost a tooth there was a little compartment to put the tooth in and then my Mom would write on the pillow over the compartment where the tooth was the date I lost the tooth. I wonder where that little pillow is now. It must be in a box somewhere. I cleaned my closet a few weeks ago and found mine! No dates or anything on it, but I remember my great aunt made it, so I kept it. On 8/9/2017 at 3:50 PM, ennui said: Adult giraffes almost never sleep for longer than five minutes at a stretch in the wild, often modifying the position so that they remain standing with their head and neck curved around to rest on their hindquarters. All in all, adult giraffes get by on just 30 minutes of sleep a night (on average). It’s the shortest sleep requirement in the entire animal kingdom. They also have seven cervical vertebrae in their neck, the same as every other vertebrate. They're just really big. And the longest recurrent laryngeal nerve at something like 5 meters long, because evolution is crazy. It's not survival of the fittest, it's survival of the good enough. 3 Link to comment
Qoass August 21, 2017 Share August 21, 2017 Quote It's not survival of the fittest, it's survival of the good enough. This explains so much about my resume! 6 Link to comment
ABay August 21, 2017 Share August 21, 2017 So, remember kids, aspire to mediocrity and your future is secured. 4 Link to comment
Blergh September 2, 2017 Share September 2, 2017 OK, here's one about the Cheddar Man and his possible hundreds-times great-grandson. It seems around 1900, some folks in Cheddar, England (yes, the home of that variety of cheese), discovered the skeleton of this prehistoric inhabitant in a cave. Anyway in 1997, for laughs and giggles, they tested about 20 folks living in the area and discovered that a 40 something male history teacher had the same mitochondrial DNA as the Cheddar Man's tooth and the history teacher lived just about a mile and a half from the cave! Yep, not only would that mean that the teacher's family somehow was able to stick around despite invasions/ occupations by Celts, Romans, Saxons, Vikings, etc., but that likely there were several hundred generations of women who said the same thing to their mates/husbands :' You never take me ANYwhere!'. 6 Link to comment
Mindthinkr September 5, 2017 Share September 5, 2017 The mask used by Michael Myers in the original "Halloween" was a Captain Kirk mask painted white. A tiny amount of liquor on a scorpion, will instantly make it go mad and sting itself to death. The phrase "rule of thumb" is derived from an old English law that stated that you couldn't beat your wife with anything wider than your thumb. The glue on an Israeli postage stamp is certified kosher. 2 Link to comment
Blergh September 5, 2017 Share September 5, 2017 OK, here's one for the Royals: during World War II the future Queen Elizabeth II learned to take apart and fully put together again a truck engine and, whenever possible on her estates, would drive herself in her own car past her 90th Birthday! 2 Link to comment
Petunia13 September 6, 2017 Author Share September 6, 2017 Depressed people dream up to 3x more than non-depressed people. 4 Link to comment
Sandman87 September 12, 2017 Share September 12, 2017 The reason that animal characters in Hanna-Barbera cartoons tended to wear shirts, jackets and collars is that it allowed the animators to fully animate the heads (while talking, for example) without having to move the bodies or necks in any way. This could reduce the amount of drawing that needed to be done by as much as 85%. 5 Link to comment
Sandman87 September 13, 2017 Share September 13, 2017 During WWII, Germany developed and produced about 200 fully submersible Panzer III and Panzer IV tanks (Tauchpanzer) for the planned invasion of England. They idea was that these tanks would be brought in close to shore, then lowered into the relatively shallow water so they could drive up the beach. The tanks could operate in water up to 45 feet deep, and got air through a flexible snorkel tube with a float to keep the far end above water. They were later outfitted with much shorter rigid snorkel tubes for making river crossings. Testing revealed that these tanks needed to keep moving while underwater because they tended to sink into the sand or mud when stopped. They also outfitted a number of Panzer II tanks (Schwimmpanzer) with detachable floats and propellers to make them amphibious. 2 Link to comment
Blergh September 13, 2017 Share September 13, 2017 Great pair of posts, Sandman! Loved the one about the Hanna -Barbera clothed animals (though how that would have helped Yogi Bear who just wore a hat with a collar and tie around his neck is a mystery though not as much as how a fabric collar would stay attached to a live bear's skin). Oh, and as long as we're talking tanks, they got their name in WWI when the British First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill helped promote these motorized vehicles that were supposed to roll through trenches but wanted to keep the true nature of these vehicles secret as long as possible so he termed them tanks so the factory workers would think these were meant for mobile WATER tank containers ! Link to comment
Sandman87 September 14, 2017 Share September 14, 2017 Which would be exactly the same reason that the Germans referred to their tanks as "tractors" between the world wars. They were prohibited by the Treaty of Versailles from working on tanks, so they pretended that they were agricultural vehicles. 14 hours ago, Blergh said: (though how that would have helped Yogi Bear who just wore a hat with a collar and tie around his neck is a mystery... The collar was tall enough to hide Yogi's neck. Link to comment
Sandman87 September 15, 2017 Share September 15, 2017 Raven-related trivia: A flock of ravens has been maintained at the Tower of London since at least the reign of King Charles II. There is a legend that the kingdom will fall when there are no more ravens there. Ravens in the Tower are enlisted as "soldiers of the Kingdom", and several have been dismissed over the years for misconduct. The ravens currently on duty are Hardey, Thor, Odin, Gwyllum, Cedric, Hugine and Munin. Ravens are social animals, and will comfort other ravens if they are frightened or hurt. Adult ravens sometimes like to have fun. They have been observed playing games such as aerial catch and repeatedly sliding down snow covered slopes. If you don't feel like calling them a flock, a group of ravens can be referred to as an unkindness. Gene Wolf's Long Sun books have a raven character named Oreb, which is Hebrew for "raven." In the Song of Ice and Fire books, Bran Stark frequently dreams of a three eyed crow (crows are closely related to ravens). Appropriately, the word bran means "raven" in Gaelic. 4 Link to comment
Bastet September 15, 2017 Share September 15, 2017 36 minutes ago, Sandman87 said: A flock of ravens has been maintained at the Tower of London since at least the reign of King Charles II. There is a legend that the kingdom will fall when there are no more ravens there. Yeah, which is why they're held captive there, their wings clipped to varying degrees (so some can't fly, some can fly short distances that won't get them outside the grounds, and at least one can leave and return), and subjected to a breeding program, ensuring the Tower won't be without ravens. 3 Link to comment
Sandman87 September 15, 2017 Share September 15, 2017 @stewedsquash you may also be interested in the book Mind of the Raven by biologist Benrd Heinrich. It's about his observations of the behavior and psychology of tame (raised by him and others), semi-tame, and wild ravens. I bought a copy some years ago because a large percentage of my neighbors are ravens. 2 Link to comment
walnutqueen September 15, 2017 Share September 15, 2017 Nature on PBS had an excellent show called "A Murder of Crows". I had the good fortune to rescue and partially rehab a baby crow, while waiting for the real rehab lady to return. That sweet little creature nestled up into my bosum, and looked up at me adoringly with his beautiful blue eyes, and I fell in love once again. Speaking of bird names (who's calling me a bird brain?!) ... Birds in general - A flock of birds, a dissimulation of birds, a volery of birds Bitterns -A siege of bitterns, a sedge of bitterns Chickens - A peep of chickens Choughs - A chattering of choughs Coots - A cover of coots, a raft of coots Cormorants - A flight of cormorants Cranes - A sedge of cranes Crows - A congress of crows, a murder of crows Curlews - A herd of curlews Doves - A dule of doves, a flight of doves, a dole of doves, a cote of coves, a piteousness of doves Ducks - A paddling of ducks, a raft of ducks, a team of ducks, a dopping of ducks Dunlin - A fling of dunlin Eagles - A convocation of eagles Eggs - A clutch of eggs Falcons - A cast of falcons Finches - A charm of finches, a trembling of finches Flamingos - A flamboyance of flamingos Geese - A gaggle of geese, a skein of geese Goldfinches - A charm of goldfinches Goshawks - A flight of goshawks Grouse - A brace of grouse, a covey of grouse Guillemots - A bazaar of guillemots Gulls - A colony of gulls Hawks - A cast of hawks, a kettle of hawks, a cast of hawks Hens (chickens) - A brood of hens Herons - A siege of herons Hummingbirds - A charm of hummingbirds, a troubling of hummingbirds, a hover of hummingbirds Jays - A band of jays, party of jays Kingfishers - A concentration of kingfishers Lapwings - A deceit of lapwings Larks - An exaltation of larks Loons - A raft of loons Magpies - A tiding of magpies Mallards - A sord of mallards, a flush of mallards, a puddling of mallards Nightingales - A watch of nightingales Owls - A parliament of owls, a wisdom of owls Parrots - A company of parrots Partridges - A covey of partridges Peacocks - An ostentation of peacocks, a muster of peacocks Penguins - A colony of penguins, huddles of penguins, a pride of penguins Pheasants - A bouquet of pheasants, a covey of pheasants, a nye of pheasants, a nide of pheasants, a nest of pheasants Quail - A bevy of quail, a covey of quail Pelicans - A squadron of pelicans Plovers - A congregation of plovers, a wing of plovers, a leash of plovers Ravens - A conspiracy of ravens, an unkindness of ravens, a constable of ravens Rooks - A building of rooks, a parliament of rooks Snipe - A walk of snipe, a wisp of snipe Sparrows - A host of sparrows, a quarrel of sparrows Starlings - A murmuration of starlings Storks - A mustering of storks Swallows - A flight of swallows Swans - A ballet of swans, a bevy of swans, a herd of swans, a whiteness of swans Teal - A spring of teal Turtledoves - A pitying of turtledoves Turkeys - A rafter of turkeys, a muster of turkeys Waterfowl - A plump of waterfowl Woodcock - A fall of Woodcock Woodpeckers -A descent of woodpecker 5 Link to comment
Sandman87 September 16, 2017 Share September 16, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, walnutqueen said: Jays - A band of jays, party of jays It ought to be an annoyance of jays. Damn noisy tick-ridden twits. Edited September 16, 2017 by Sandman87 2 Link to comment
walnutqueen September 16, 2017 Share September 16, 2017 47 minutes ago, stewedsquash said: @walnutqueen That list reads like fanciful poetry. Or a witch casting a spell. Both. :-) 2 minutes ago, Sandman87 said: It ought to be an annoyance of jays. Damn noisy lice-ridden twits. Lovely, clever, friendly birds who scream for their peanuts and talk to you constantly. Not a louse on them, unless they are very sick or dead. :-( 2 Link to comment
Blergh September 16, 2017 Share September 16, 2017 If only starlings had STAYED a murmuration in North America! They're not native to here but what happened was that around 1890, some big wig got the idea to make New York's Central Park more cultural by having EVERY single bird mentioned in Shakespeare's plays and sonnets brought to the park. Most of the birds died after the first harsh winter but those dozen pairs of starlings had no problems with winter nor were there any North American predators interested in them so it wasn't too long before they and their descendants took over Central Park and then overran the NYC boroughs before spreading to the rest of the the US and the rest is history. 3 Link to comment
ratgirlagogo September 17, 2017 Share September 17, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 9:56 PM, walnutqueen said: On 9/15/2017 at 9:48 PM, Sandman87 said: It ought to be an annoyance of jays. Damn noisy lice-ridden twits. Lovely, clever, friendly birds who scream for their peanuts and talk to you constantly. Not a louse on them, unless they are very sick or dead. :-( And like ravens they are corvids. I've always liked them myself - they're like blue mockingbirds who can't sing. 1 Link to comment
walnutqueen September 17, 2017 Share September 17, 2017 Just now, ratgirlagogo said: And like ravens they are corvids. I've always liked them myself - they're like blue mockingbirds who can't sing. I have a special fondness for corvids, and anyone using that word. I'll also admit to rehabbing starlings, a much maligned avian in the songbird crowd. ALL hungry baby birds are irresistible, to me. And, on topic, most baby birds will scoot their butts over the edge of their makeshift nests to poop. Just like in nature. 1 Link to comment
SirOsisOfLiver September 17, 2017 Share September 17, 2017 The Canadian north has a lot of ravens. I knew an RCMP officer who had been posted in Whitehorse, Yukon. He told me about one frigid night in the middle of the winter, he happened to notice several ravens perched on the street light. The end one would stand on the light for a few minutes to warm up, then flitter back to the end of the line and the rest all shuffled up one. If you ever travel to Yellowknife, it's very common to have a raven with a 3-foot wingspan sitting on a parking meter squawking at you as you walk past. 5 Link to comment
walnutqueen September 17, 2017 Share September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, SirOsisOfLiver said: The Canadian north has a lot of ravens. I knew an RCMP officer who had been posted in Whitehorse, Yukon. He told me about one frigid night in the middle of the winter, he happened to notice several ravens perched on the street light. The end one would stand on the light for a few minutes to warm up, then flitter back to the end of the line and the rest all shuffled up one. If you ever travel to Yellowknife, it's very common to have a raven with a 3-foot wingspan sitting on a parking meter squawking at you as you walk past. Great White North, eh!?! As an ex Vancouverite, you couldn't pay me to go to Whitehorse or Yellowknife. I did drive to Smithers, once, and took a ferry to Prince Rupert & back. I also knew an RCMP officer, or two. Allegedly. 1 Link to comment
Petunia13 September 21, 2017 Author Share September 21, 2017 There are 328 people named ABCDE in the US. 3 Link to comment
riley702 September 22, 2017 Share September 22, 2017 WHAT?!? That's messed up. Wonder how they pronounce it? 2 Link to comment
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