Show Wishlist: What We'd Like To See

[Joe Hellandback]

From s21 ep17; Dance, Lie and Videotape

Finn (returning to the squadroom and is bemused to find it full of muscular male dancers in form fitting outfits); "You girls have a party whilst I was away?"

Defence solicitor; "Miss, you claim that my client asked you to 'make nice' with the potential sponsor and to 'make him happy'?

Testifying witness; "Yes"

DS; "Which you claim was understood to be sex?"

TW; "Yes"

DS; "Did he ever actually specifically say sex?"

TW; "No, it was implied"

DS; " He says otherwise, that he just meant you to be platonically affectionate. Isn't it true you were busted for prostitution and struck a plea bargain with the prosecution to avoid being charged?"

TW; "Yes"

DS; "So you'd have every reason to lie? Much like the testimony of the mentally ill ex-ballerina who is in an eating clinic after being fired from the ballet"

 

 

 

 

[Joe Hellandback]

I'm currently rewatching season 5 boy this show used to be so much better, you miss the Doc, you miss Cragen and they failed much more often. But god, what a THUG Eliot was!

Good neighbours; the SVU work with a neighbourhood watch group after a series of stranger rapes in the area, But when a man is accidentally killed by 2 of them when they attempt to detain him there is an outcry and a huge legal argument over whether the SVU's briefing constituted reasonable grounds for their actions.

2%; A campaign group protests at the low level of convictions for sex crimes in the criminal justice system compared to other offences. The SVU host a TV investigation explaining the difficulties of their cases.

  Abnormal Suspect; A famous actor who specializes in villainous roles is accused of molesting a young man in a bar but the case falls apart when the victim refuses to let his social media history be examined and he later turns up murdered in the exam same fashion as in one of the actor's movies.

Nucleus; an executive at a nuclear power plant is accused of rape by a young girl he picks up but he claims their sex was consensual and she made the accusation after he caught her going through his belongings. Things take a more sinister turn when she is killed by the guards during an environmentalist break in at the same reactor.     

Maturity; a man is accused of underage sexual intercourse with a girl he meets in a bar, his defence stressing that due to more estrogen in the environment women are maturing at a far younger age and it is now impossible to be certain of the age of consent. 

 

 

[wanderingstar]

Has this show ever done an episode featuring a male victim of intimate partner violence?

[853fisher]

On 6/28/2020 at 5:36 AM, Gillian Rosh said:

Has this show ever done an episode featuring a male victim of intimate partner violence?

Amy Carlson, who later played the junior lawyer on "Trial By Jury," played a cop's wife who accused him of rape.  It came out that they were both physically abusive toward each other, and I recall it was presented pointedly that she was much more violent toward him.  I don't recall how the case was resolved or any further details about the way the issues were approached.  I think the title of this episode was "Asunder," and it aired in season 2.  I can't think of an episode featuring a male victim of IPV who was not also portrayed as an antagonist.

Edited June 30, 2020 by 853fisher
I forgot to write the name of the episode!

[Joe Hellandback]

1. A trainee teacher working as a waiter in a nightclub is accused of rape by a patron. He is found innocent at court but then finds every application he makes for a job is refused due to his arrest. He launches a civil suit to have his record expunged leading to an epic court battle.   

2. A group of political campaigners establish a 'No Police Zone' in the centre of New York. However when a rape victim reports being assaulted from within its' boundaries Benson must fight with 1PP to reach the accuser/crime scene/suspect.  

3. A rape victim, kidnapped and trapped in the boot of a car, disables the rear lights to try to signal her distress. An NYPD cruiser sights the car but decides not to do a vehicle stop as the occupants are African American and they are terrified of being at the centre of a racist incident, prompting the victim to sue the department.   

4. A statue being put up to one of the driving forces of the Civil Rights movement is marred by 2 former volunteers who claim that the man raped them. The SVU must investigate the historical claims whilst 1PP agonise over having the monument torn down. 

5. The host of a popular TV science show is accused of rape by a childhood friend, the prosecution claiming her mental health problems were caused by the trauma of underage sexual abuse whilst the defence maintain her insanity is why she made her accusations in the first place. The prosecution is complicated when another man steps forwards to say that he actually took her virginity. 

[Joe Hellandback]

1. Amaro returns to visit his friends in the SVU but instead finds himself arrested for his shooting of an African American youth years previously which has now been reconsidered by the DA given the current political climate who now wants to charge him with murder. 

2. A woman miraculously survives being raped and then thrown under a subway train at a deserted station. The SVU now backtrack through years of apparent suicides/accidents on the subway system, fearful that someone with knowledge of the train network has been using it to commit rapes and kill the victims.  

3.  A gay news anchor is accused of rape by an intern but the suspect claims he was fired for his right wing views which were at odds with the rest of the newsroom. 

[dttruman]

On 7/2/2020 at 2:00 PM, Joe Hellandback said:

1. A trainee teacher working as a waiter in a nightclub is accused of rape by a patron. He is found innocent at court but then finds every application he makes for a job is refused due to his arrest. He launches a civil suit to have his record expunged leading to an epic court battle.   

2. A group of political campaigners establish a 'No Police Zone' in the centre of New York. However when a rape victim reports being assaulted from within its' boundaries Benson must fight with 1PP to reach the accuser/crime scene/suspect.  

3. A rape victim, kidnapped and trapped in the boot of a car, disables the rear lights to try to signal her distress. An NYPD cruiser sights the car but decides not to do a vehicle stop as the occupants are African American and they are terrified of being at the centre of a racist incident, prompting the victim to sue the department.   

4. A statue being put up to one of the driving forces of the Civil Rights movement is marred by 2 former volunteers who claim that the man raped them. The SVU must investigate the historical claims whilst 1PP agonise over having the monument torn down. 

5. The host of a popular TV science show is accused of rape by a childhood friend, the prosecution claiming her mental health problems were caused by the trauma of underage sexual abuse whilst the defence maintain her insanity is why she made her accusations in the first place. The prosecution is complicated when another man steps forwards to say that he actually took her virginity. 

No. 2 has good possibilities considering the current events. The only change I would assume is that considering the political ideology of the producers, the blame or responsibility for the Benson's difficult journey will fall on a conservative politician of some kind.

Nothing personal, but I think No. 1 is a wash. They already did one where a guy was "raped" by 3 women, even though it was a good episode. Since Leight is  in charge, (and as I have been reminded a couple of times) courtroom scenes are discouraged by him.

Edited July 4, 2020 by dttruman

[Xeliou66]

So I’ve decided to make a post detailing what I hope to see (and what I don’t want to see) in season 22

 

I want more of Carisi - I thought moving Carisi to the ADA role would be a disaster, I was wrong, for the most part Carisi did well in his role as ADA, and it was competently executed, but he didn’t have enough of a role in many episodes and he was frequently shoehorned into scenes he didn’t belong in as a result of the lack of legal material. I hope they establish his role as a prosecutor more this season, and please give him more trial scenes, I want more meaty stuff for Carisi to sink his tenth into, we only saw 2 trials last season, please give us more courtroom stuff in season 22, I know Warren has said courtroom scenes aren’t his favorite but he was still able to write some good stuff for Barba, surely he can do the same for Carisi. 

On a similar note, write the legal stuff better and STOP fucking trashing the DA’s office - doing so is spitting in the face of fans of franchise. The DA’s office has always been portrayed as competent and upstanding, now they are portrayed as inept and corrupt with Carisi as the only trustworthy member, downright insulting to fans of the franchise especially since they didn’t have the decency to say a new DA was in office, last we heard it was McCoy!! I repeat, disgraceful!! And get rid of Hadid, she serves no purpose and is one of the worst characters in the history of the franchise, she has less personality than a lump of coal and she drags down every scene she’s in, she has no chemistry with anyone, just ditch her and let Carisi work on his own. All too frequently the legal stuff seemed to be the worst written part of the show, which is a shame since Carisi is their most interesting character. I hope that changes in season 22.

Less Rollins please!! It seemed like half of the episodes last season had a Rollins subplot, and that they were trying hard to make her the #2 character behind Benson. I don’t want that and if it was up to me, Rollins would take her brats and go back to her trailer park but as long as she’s on the show, please write her competently and minimize her personal drama.

And for the love of god, end the whole Rollins/Carisi unresolved feelings shit. Keep Carisi out of Rollins personal drama.

I want to see more scenes with minor characters such as ME’s, CSU people, TARU etc. 

Give us a wider variety of cases, perps and victims, they did a much better job of that last season and I hope that trend continues.

For Benson, give us more of her as squad commander and less of her doing everything, they did a better job of that last season and of dialing back the worship of Benson in most episodes, I hope that continues.

For Stabler’s return - don’t make it soapy, have everyone act professionally. 

 

What does everyone else think of this? 

[SarahPrtr]

On 7/16/2020 at 1:24 PM, Xeliou66 said:

What does everyone else think of this? 

Everything you said.

Also, no Carisi's family. Ever.  The couple of storylines they had on his sister/niece did nothing to add to Carisi's background.  Well, I guess Bella's fiance getting raped by his parole officer is something that happens (women in power abusing/raping men), but why did it have to be Carisi's future brother-in-law???  And don't get me started on his niece falsely accusing a male student of rape and then getting raped for real.  Again, why make it a Carisi-related storyline???

 

Since they've made him the ADA, do the decent thing and give him some good scenes, ffs!  Like the ones they gave Alex Cabot and Casey Novak.  There were episodes where they took the cases more personally, but I didn't mind, because as much as they tell you to stay professional and not get involved, unless you're fricking dead inside, OF COURSE some cases will get to you.

 

I understand how having the same person change roles within the same show can be challenging, but just bloody DO something interesting!!  I mean, an ADA who has years of police experience AND detective experience in SVU???  Imagine having someone like that in real life.  That person would be able to do so much.

 

Just no detective's families ever.  And for Carisi to have an off-screen wife.

[Xeliou66]

36 minutes ago, SarahPrtr said:

Everything you said.

Also, no Carisi's family. Ever.  The couple of storylines they had on his sister/niece did nothing to add to Carisi's background.  Well, I guess Bella's fiance getting raped by his parole officer is something that happens (women in power abusing/raping men), but why did it have to be Carisi's future brother-in-law???  And don't get me started on his niece falsely accusing a male student of rape and then getting raped for real.  Again, why make it a Carisi-related storyline???

 

Since they've made him the ADA, do the decent thing and give him some good scenes, ffs!  Like the ones they gave Alex Cabot and Casey Novak.  There were episodes where they took the cases more personally, but I didn't mind, because as much as they tell you to stay professional and not get involved, unless you're fricking dead inside, OF COURSE some cases will get to you.

 

I understand how having the same person change roles within the same show can be challenging, but just bloody DO something interesting!!  I mean, an ADA who has years of police experience AND detective experience in SVU???  Imagine having someone like that in real life.  That person would be able to do so much.

 

Just no detective's families ever.  And for Carisi to have an off-screen wife.

Great post. I hate the soapy family dreck and I’m not a fan of Carisi’s dysfunctional family either. 

They just don’t seem to know what to do with Carisi, and it’s like they are hesitant to really have him act as an ADA. If that’s the case, they shouldn’t have made him a prosecutor. There should naturally be some conflict between the ADA and the SVU squad, they shouldn’t be antagonists but there should be some friction, we saw this with Barba and Stone for the most part, but they don’t want to do it with Carisi, even though it could provide for some extremely interesting scenes. There was basically zero conflict between Benson and Carisi last year, it’s like they are afraid to have Carisi go against Benson’s wishes because they want Carisi to still be part of the squad. I repeat, if they wanted Carisi to be part of the squad so bad, keep him there and don’t make him an ADA. I’m really hoping for some good legal stuff in season 22 for Carisi to sink his teeth into, but they don’t seem to want to do that either.

[Joe Hellandback]

1. The SVU investigate a case of child abuse where a mad scientist has kept 2 young boys prisoner for years, raising a black kid with stereotypical 'white' values and vice versa, to solve nature vs nurture once and for all. Meanwhile Benson fights against budget cuts limiting the number of rape kits that can be applied as part of the 'Defund the Police' movement. 

2.  A rape victim is arrested after threatening partygoers (who resemble the men who raped her) at a neighbour's house with a gun after they confront her when she asks them to be quiet.  

3.  A woman who accuses her ex-husband of rape is busted for drug possession and claims she was framed. Internal Affairs work with the SVU to investigate a private detective firm of ex-NYPD officers with links to corrupt officers in the department.

4. A convicted paedophile is released to take part in a sting operation against one of his ring. However he outsmarts the SVU and escapes, leaving them in a race against time to catch him before he offends again.

5. A young Cuban/American boy is accused of rape but things are complicated when it emerges his family are deeply involved in the Cuban émigré movement whilst his accuser is a supporter of the regime. 

[SarahPrtr]

I would like to see Carisi get married to an off-screen woman and never EVER pine for Rollins again.

[CrystalBlue]

14 hours ago, SarahPrtr said:

I would like to see Carisi get married to an off-screen woman and never EVER pine for Rollins again.

Really and truly, right?  Carisi is too damned good looking, polished, educated, and a nice guy to be running around loose in NYC.  In real life a guy like him would be snatched up in an instant.

[Mislav]

Teenage waiter is found brutally murdered in an alleyway near his workplace, having been stabbed multiple times in the face, chest, arms and genitals. The M.E. notes the injuries on his knuckles; the victim fought back. His watch, wallet and phone are intact, and so is the cash register,  so the robbery obviously wasn't the movie. Forensics recover skin cells under his fingernails, as well as two long, blonde hairs clutched in his hand. They decide to take multiple blood swabs, in case the killer cut himself; or herself. They also find several bloody shoe prints; most of them partial, some of them complete (size eight). The detectives briefly wonder could the murder be some kind of brutal gang initiation. Since the victim was murdered on the shift, detectives interrogate the patrons. Witnesses say that the victim and a young blonde woman got into an argument over a bill. She appeared drunk and belligerent. She dragged him outside, and one of the customers went out a few minutes later and found the waiter in an alleyway, dead. The woman was already gone by that point. There are no security cameras inside the establishment or near by, and the suspect never got to pay, in cash or otherwise. Some of them remember seeing her in a bar a few times before, but say she kept to herself and they don't know anything about her, not even her name. Back then, she paid cash. Most of the customers say they could recognize the woman if they saw her again. Forensics bag the empty beer bottle left on the counter, rushing to process it for fingerprints and DNA.

With that in mind, the detectives present the witnesses with the mugshots of recently released female felons. Several patrons identify the woman in question as 32-year-old Allison Morgan; a convicted serial killer. Allison was a prostitute convicted of killing and robbing two of her johns. She was initially sentenced to life in prison, but she was eventually paroled after serving ten years. She has been out of prison for less than a year. Fin notes that Allison's parole hearing was initiated by a sexual assault victims' advocate, who has assisted the SVU on multiple occasions.

The detectives mull over Allison's case. Following her arrest in 2009 (she was caught after using the second victim's credit card at a casino, and the gun used to commit the murders was found in her possession), Allison claimed that she snapped and shot the first victim to death because he told her how he lost his virginity by raping his cousin, revealing that he had relived his crime while having sex with her [Allison]. (Though forensic evidence did indicate that the man was shot following a sexual intercourse, his cousin denied ever being abused by him.) Allison also claimed that she shot the second victim (murdered two weeks later) because he already had another prostitute (clearly underage) at his home, and wanted them to engage in threesome. The girl panicked and fled following the murder; Allison didn't know her name or anything else about her. (Though foreign female DNA, that definitely wasn't Allison's, was found on the crime scene, there has been no match in CODIS or missing person's database, and the authorities have been unable to locate the alleged girl.)


Allison also said that she started carrying a gun for protection, a month prior to the murders, after one of her johns brutally beat, raped and robbed her. She provided a detailed description of the alleged attacker (that closely matched to one of the registered sex offenders living in the neighborhood), and even led the police to a truck stop bathroom where the attack allegedly took place. But once again, there was no forensic evidence corroborating her story, and she couldn't positively identify the prime suspect as her attacker either. Allison also claimed that she was a victim of long-term physical and sexual abuse as a child (which was documented).

 

Back then, those claims didn't do Allison any favors with the judge and jury. But after a decade in prison, she heard about that activist and wrote her several letters, eventually convincing her to look into her case. The woman apparently advocated on Allison's behalf and probably even pulled some connections, finally getting her a parole hearing and convincing the board that there was more to the case, and that Allison deserved a second chance. Finn sarcastically notes how Allison first claimed that she merely found the gun and the credit cards at the side of the road, and only changed her story when she realized it wasn't getting her anywhere. They also discuss how the MeToo movement attributed to Allison's case being "reconsidered". The team wonders is it possible that this whole thing is a case of mistaken identity. However, preliminary forensic reports show that Allison's fingerprints and DNA were found on the beer bottle from the bar.

Allison is arrested, and her house and car are searched. It is clear that her car has been scrubbed clean with bleach, and detectives also find remains of burned clothing in a fire pit in her backyard. The M.E. estimates that the murderer is between 5'8 and 5'10, reasonably strong, and right-handed, which is consistent with Allison. The murder weapon was most likely a common switchblade.

Benson and Rollins interrogate Allison. She admits to getting in a fight with the waiter, but maintains that she backed down and left without killing him. She says that somebody else must have come along later and murdered him. She has a cut on her palm, but claims she hurt herself while making breakfast. Her shoe size is eight. Rollins pulls out a wipe and tells Allison to remove her make-up; she does, after some hesitation, revealing fresh scratches on her face and neck, as well as a black eye. After a short but awkward silence, Allison shrugs and says: "Like I said, we fought."

The DNA analysis eventually proves that the skin found under the victim's fingernails and ripped hairs found in his hand both belong to Allison Morgan. Some of her blood is also found on the crime scene, and the victim's clothing. And despite her efforts to clean up, some of the victim's blood is found inside her car and the shower drain.


When confronted with the evidence, Allison admits to killing the waiter. However, she claims she only attacked him after he pushed her, causing her to fall over, and started approaching her, which triggered a traumatic flashback. She says she still suffered from mental illness after being released from prison, but didn't seek help out of fear of being institutionalized. She claims she fled and tried to cover it up because she thought that "nobody would believe her", and that she carried a switchblade for protection (as a convicted felon, she couldn't legally own a firearm).

 

The activist who helped Allison get paroled shows up at the precinct. She says she feels guilty over advocating for her release and that she wants to help, if possible. Fin and Rollins tell her that the killer has been caught (again) and that there is nothing she can do to help them. She is stuck talking to Olivia.

 

Carisi decides to charge Allison with murder, arguing that "stabbing somebody over twenty times can not be manslaughter, let alone self-defense"; and self-defense doesn't apply to people who initiate physical confrontation anyway. The victim's father is OK with Carisi seeking the death penalty, but the mother maintains that her son would not want that, putting Carisi in a tough spot.

As a preparation for trial, Dr. Huang interviews Allison, and concludes that she is most likely guilty. He points out that her constantly blaming others for her actions and refusing to take any kind of responsibility is a typical characteristic of a psychopath. However, he also warns the DA that the jury may not see it that way.

The team decides to question Allison's former cellmates in order to get a better understanding of her as a person. Allison had three cellmates: one of them doing time for armed robbery and attempted murder, second one having been incarcerated on a drug charge, with the third one serving a life sentence for killing her boyfriend and the woman he had been cheating on her with. Allison's first cellmate died of an OD a few years ago, but the other two are still alive.

Cellmate #2 claims that Allison seemed meek and withdrawn, and didn't talk about her crimes much. At one point, she said that she "did something bad because she was scared". The woman admits that she and Allison slept together, and says that she would give Allison half the money her family would send her. However, cellmate #3 says that Allison bragged to her about killing two people, and even described how she made them beg for their lives before shooting them to death.

Dr. Huang is not surprised by the contradiction. He explains that, when Allison shared a cell with a woman convicted of a minor crime, she figured she could manipulate her and, in turn, use her (which she did), so she would put on an act to seem non-threatening and relatable. When she shared a cell with a cold-blooded killer, she dropped the pretenses. However, he points out that the defense could make an opposing argument; that Allison stayed her true self around a minor offender that was clearly non-threatening, but when she had to share a cell with a convicted murderer, she would put up a front.

Despite their conflicted accounts on Allison's character, both women mention the same thing; Allison kept a diary while in prison. However, neither of them got to read it, and they don't know where it is now. The search of Allison's house, car, and even her former cell reveals nothing. When the detectives ask Allison about the diary, she claims that she burned it shortly after being released from prison, because "she didn't need it anymore". But they feel that she is not telling the truth. As the trial starts, the SVU desperately tries to find the diary, or at least a part of it, hoping that an insight into Allison's private thoughts will finally prove is she a victim of tragic circumstances or a cold-blooded killer.

Loosely based on real-life cases of Aileen Wuornos and Jack Henry Abbott.

Edited January 28, 2021 by Mislav

[Joe Hellandback]

Entrapment; the SVU go to arrest a suspect for online grooming but instead nearly find themselves killed by a booby trap. The bomber has deliberately targeted them and lured them to the scene with a false profile and now demands they stop all internet stings or the hunters will find themselves the hunted. 

Fantasy; the famously pro-feminist celebrity creator of 'Devil Battlergirl' is accused of sexually abusing one of the underage teen actresses on his show. As fans and cast members take sides the SVU must decide if this is a case of the casting couch gone wrong or a genuine crime?

(What was the name of the ep where they had the teen actress who played sexy undercover agent who gets raped in her trailer and turns out to be be secretly married to her producer? It was back in the Stabler years? I always wondered if that a sly dig at Joss Whedon?)    

[incandescent]

On 2/24/2021 at 9:07 AM, Joe Hellandback said:

(What was the name of the ep where they had the teen actress who played sexy undercover agent who gets raped in her trailer and turns out to be be secretly married to her producer? It was back in the Stabler years? I always wondered if that a sly dig at Joss Whedon?)    

I wanna say that was Obscene, which also had the Howard Stern character.

[Joe Hellandback]

1. An NSA officer accused of rape in a foreign country uses their diplomatic immunity to flee to the US. When the accuser and their family come to the US to try to influence the extradition hearings (the SVU brought in as expert witnesses) the NSA resolutely refuse, arguing he would be a security risk in prison. 

2. A college professor is 'cancelled' after producing a controversial study of rape statistics by racial group. Things get more complex when one of his former students then accuses him of sexual assault. 

3. When the SVU go after a pornography producer who claims he didn't know some of his stars were underage he takes revenge on them by filming the porn parody 'Sexy Vixens Unit' with characters based on the SVU members, leading to a battle in court to get it banned (largely just to see the porn star versions of the SVU cast). 

[Gigi43]

On 2/24/2021 at 9:07 AM, Joe Hellandback said:

Entrapment; the SVU go to arrest a suspect for online grooming but instead nearly find themselves killed by a booby trap. The bomber has deliberately targeted them and lured them to the scene with a false profile and now demands they stop all internet stings or the hunters will find themselves the hunted. 

Fantasy; the famously pro-feminist celebrity creator of 'Devil Battlergirl' is accused of sexually abusing one of the underage teen actresses on his show. As fans and cast members take sides the SVU must decide if this is a case of the casting couch gone wrong or a genuine crime?

(What was the name of the ep where they had the teen actress who played sexy undercover agent who gets raped in her trailer and turns out to be be secretly married to her producer? It was back in the Stabler years? I always wondered if that a sly dig at Joss Whedon?)    

 

Was Joss Whedon exposed back then? I thought that was mainly supposed to be about Howards Stern /Opie and Anthony figures and the producer was a generic Hollywood figure. 

 

I'd like to see a case of internet wannabe reporters and/or vigilantes get in the way of an investigation or trial in a way that's different than the biker group of two weeks ago. There were two news stories where the internet tried so hard to be SVU. The  vlogger Stauffer family who gave away their adopted child the Long family where a father taped a little girl saying the mothers boyfriend abused her. The Stauffers  pretty much everyone who talked about them were against them but there was also harassment of anyone who ever appeared in with them in Youtube videos and that was out of hand, people also harassed wholesalers of car detailing brushes to not sell to the husbands detailing business anymore and despite how I hate what they did I'm not comfortable with saying people can't earn a living that's separate from their sham BS lifestyle vlog. With the Longs there were basically feuding factions on the internet of people who believe the mother the girl's father set it up and people who believed the dad and they were obtaining court documents of both the current case and prior records the parents had, interviewing family members, basically trying to have a trial on Youtube. Attempted Doxxing happened in both cases. I want the focus to be more about the online "reporters" more than the crime itself--- they don't have to use either of those examples. I want these internet vigilantes to make it harder for SVU to investigate and someone to end up arrested for going too far or hindering the investigation.  I wouldn't object to a mistrial being caused because of said internet users leaking information or getting to jurors at which point they get the heat directed at them now from people pissed they got in the way and getting a taste of what they dished out. 

Edited April 19, 2021 by Gigi43

[Gigi43]

I hate that its come to this but its time for a follow up to Patrimonial Burden, since Josh Duggar was indicted on CP possession of kids under the age of 12. They don't have to use the same cast, of course (their Josh character was referenced but never shown), but an episode is definitely in order and I'd like for there to be focus/blame on the parents for enabling knowing his past.

[balmz]

since the kid from born psychopath is returning, had a thought, would you also want stuckey to return as well? maybe in the same episode then it'd be a shameless reunion from what i understand

 

jokes aside any other episodes you would want to see a follow up for?

[Gigi43]

On 5/13/2021 at 7:05 PM, balmz said:

since the kid from born psychopath is returning, had a thought, would you also want stuckey to return as well? maybe in the same episode then it'd be a shameless reunion from what i understand

 

jokes aside any other episodes you would want to see a follow up for?

 

The two girls who set up Mr. Jackie going to jail for another crime as getting away with ruining a man's life with a slap on the wrist didn't do anything to make them better people. 

 

 

[Spartan Girl]

On 5/13/2021 at 7:05 PM, balmz said:

since the kid from born psychopath is returning, had a thought, would you also want stuckey to return as well? maybe in the same episode then it'd be a shameless reunion from what i understand

 

jokes aside any other episodes you would want to see a follow up for?

A followup to the kid in “Sick” who was showing troubling behavior because he got molested by that celebrity and his parents helped him get away with it by taking the hush money and sending the kid to Canada. His dad even went to jail rather than help the police. So I think a followup to that with the grown victim getting revenge on his parents for selling him out would be gravy.

[Amazee-Dayzee]

On 1/28/2021 at 4:34 PM, Mislav said:

Teenage waiter is found brutally murdered in an alleyway near his workplace, having been stabbed multiple times in the face, chest, arms and genitals. The M.E. notes the injuries on his knuckles; the victim fought back. His watch, wallet and phone are intact, and so is the cash register,  so the robbery obviously wasn't the movie. Forensics recover skin cells under his fingernails, as well as two long, blonde hairs clutched in his hand. They decide to take multiple blood swabs, in case the killer cut himself; or herself. They also find several bloody shoe prints; most of them partial, some of them complete (size eight). The detectives briefly wonder could the murder be some kind of brutal gang initiation. Since the victim was murdered on the shift, detectives interrogate the patrons. Witnesses say that the victim and a young blonde woman got into an argument over a bill. She appeared drunk and belligerent. She dragged him outside, and one of the customers went out a few minutes later and found the waiter in an alleyway, dead. The woman was already gone by that point. There are no security cameras inside the establishment or near by, and the suspect never got to pay, in cash or otherwise. Some of them remember seeing her in a bar a few times before, but say she kept to herself and they don't know anything about her, not even her name. Back then, she paid cash. Most of the customers say they could recognize the woman if they saw her again. Forensics bag the empty beer bottle left on the counter, rushing to process it for fingerprints and DNA.

With that in mind, the detectives present the witnesses with the mugshots of recently released female felons. Several patrons identify the woman in question as 32-year-old Allison Morgan; a convicted serial killer. Allison was a prostitute convicted of killing and robbing two of her johns. She was initially sentenced to life in prison, but she was eventually paroled after serving ten years. She has been out of prison for less than a year. Fin notes that Allison's parole hearing was initiated by a sexual assault victims' advocate, who has assisted the SVU on multiple occasions.

The detectives mull over Allison's case. Following her arrest in 2009 (she was caught after using the second victim's credit card at a casino, and the gun used to commit the murders was found in her possession), Allison claimed that she snapped and shot the first victim to death because he told her how he lost his virginity by raping his cousin, revealing that he had relived his crime while having sex with her [Allison]. (Though forensic evidence did indicate that the man was shot following a sexual intercourse, his cousin denied ever being abused by him.) Allison also claimed that she shot the second victim (murdered two weeks later) because he already had another prostitute (clearly underage) at his home, and wanted them to engage in threesome. The girl panicked and fled following the murder; Allison didn't know her name or anything else about her. (Though foreign female DNA, that definitely wasn't Allison's, was found on the crime scene, there has been no match in CODIS or missing person's database, and the authorities have been unable to locate the alleged girl.)


Allison also said that she started carrying a gun for protection, a month prior to the murders, after one of her johns brutally beat, raped and robbed her. She provided a detailed description of the alleged attacker (that closely matched to one of the registered sex offenders living in the neighborhood), and even led the police to a truck stop bathroom where the attack allegedly took place. But once again, there was no forensic evidence corroborating her story, and she couldn't positively identify the prime suspect as her attacker either. Allison also claimed that she was a victim of long-term physical and sexual abuse as a child (which was documented).

 

Back then, those claims didn't do Allison any favors with the judge and jury. But after a decade in prison, she heard about that activist and wrote her several letters, eventually convincing her to look into her case. The woman apparently advocated on Allison's behalf and probably even pulled some connections, finally getting her a parole hearing and convincing the board that there was more to the case, and that Allison deserved a second chance. Finn sarcastically notes how Allison first claimed that she merely found the gun and the credit cards at the side of the road, and only changed her story when she realized it wasn't getting her anywhere. They also discuss how the MeToo movement attributed to Allison's case being "reconsidered". The team wonders is it possible that this whole thing is a case of mistaken identity. However, preliminary forensic reports show that Allison's fingerprints and DNA were found on the beer bottle from the bar.

Allison is arrested, and her house and car are searched. It is clear that her car has been scrubbed clean with bleach, and detectives also find remains of burned clothing in a fire pit in her backyard. The M.E. estimates that the murderer is between 5'8 and 5'10, reasonably strong, and right-handed, which is consistent with Allison. The murder weapon was most likely a common switchblade.

Benson and Rollins interrogate Allison. She admits to getting in a fight with the waiter, but maintains that she backed down and left without killing him. She says that somebody else must have come along later and murdered him. She has a cut on her palm, but claims she hurt herself while making breakfast. Her shoe size is eight. Rollins pulls out a wipe and tells Allison to remove her make-up; she does, after some hesitation, revealing fresh scratches on her face and neck, as well as a black eye. After a short but awkward silence, Allison shrugs and says: "Like I said, we fought."

The DNA analysis eventually proves that the skin found under the victim's fingernails and ripped hairs found in his hand both belong to Allison Morgan. Some of her blood is also found on the crime scene, and the victim's clothing. And despite her efforts to clean up, some of the victim's blood is found inside her car and the shower drain.


When confronted with the evidence, Allison admits to killing the waiter. However, she claims she only attacked him after he pushed her, causing her to fall over, and started approaching her, which triggered a traumatic flashback. She says she still suffered from mental illness after being released from prison, but didn't seek help out of fear of being institutionalized. She claims she fled and tried to cover it up because she thought that "nobody would believe her", and that she carried a switchblade for protection (as a convicted felon, she couldn't legally own a firearm).

 

The activist who helped Allison get paroled shows up at the precinct. She says she feels guilty over advocating for her release and that she wants to help, if possible. Fin and Rollins tell her that the killer has been caught (again) and that there is nothing she can do to help them. She is stuck talking to Olivia.

 

Carisi decides to charge Allison with murder, arguing that "stabbing somebody over twenty times can not be manslaughter, let alone self-defense"; and self-defense doesn't apply to people who initiate physical confrontation anyway. The victim's father is OK with Carisi seeking the death penalty, but the mother maintains that her son would not want that, putting Carisi in a tough spot.

As a preparation for trial, Dr. Huang interviews Allison, and concludes that she is most likely guilty. He points out that her constantly blaming others for her actions and refusing to take any kind of responsibility is a typical characteristic of a psychopath. However, he also warns the DA that the jury may not see it that way.

The team decides to question Allison's former cellmates in order to get a better understanding of her as a person. Allison had three cellmates: one of them doing time for armed robbery and attempted murder, second one having been incarcerated on a drug charge, with the third one serving a life sentence for killing her boyfriend and the woman he had been cheating on her with. Allison's first cellmate died of an OD a few years ago, but the other two are still alive.

Cellmate #2 claims that Allison seemed meek and withdrawn, and didn't talk about her crimes much. At one point, she said that she "did something bad because she was scared". The woman admits that she and Allison slept together, and says that she would give Allison half the money her family would send her. However, cellmate #3 says that Allison bragged to her about killing two people, and even described how she made them beg for their lives before shooting them to death.

Dr. Huang is not surprised by the contradiction. He explains that, when Allison shared a cell with a woman convicted of a minor crime, she figured she could manipulate her and, in turn, use her (which she did), so she would put on an act to seem non-threatening and relatable. When she shared a cell with a cold-blooded killer, she dropped the pretenses. However, he points out that the defense could make an opposing argument; that Allison stayed her true self around a minor offender that was clearly non-threatening, but when she had to share a cell with a convicted murderer, she would put up a front.

Despite their conflicted accounts on Allison's character, both women mention the same thing; Allison kept a diary while in prison. However, neither of them got to read it, and they don't know where it is now. The search of Allison's house, car, and even her former cell reveals nothing. When the detectives ask Allison about the diary, she claims that she burned it shortly after being released from prison, because "she didn't need it anymore". But they feel that she is not telling the truth. As the trial starts, the SVU desperately tries to find the diary, or at least a part of it, hoping that an insight into Allison's private thoughts will finally prove is she a victim of tragic circumstances or a cold-blooded killer.

Loosely based on real-life cases of Aileen Wuornos and Jack Henry Abbott.

All of that sounds really good, but the BIB is impossible because New York abolished the death penalty and removed the execution equipment from its prison in 2007 so the maximum sentence for her would be life without parole.

Not to mention I'm pretty sure the death penalty in the US is gonna be completely abolished and not carried out ever again in the next 5 years.

[LadyIrony]

I wouldn't mind seeing an ep where a man is falsely accused. The SVU team go all out to prove him guilty, siding with the "Victim" the whole way through. It ends up being a high profile case (perhaps this man is an actor etc) and even though the SVU team want a prison sentence the "victim" keeps talking monetary compensation and how many media deals she can get etc. 

In the end it is proven without any doubt at all that the victim was lying. The SVU team especially what's her face who just keeps this show going, were too overzealous and lost track of all reason. The team is fired after the actor sues them all and the Police dept. and the show finally ends.

Hallelujah!  

[dttruman]

I'd like to see the producers and writers use a "Taken from the Headlines" concerning that little incident that took place at the Academy Awards last night. Where a comedian makes a joke about a man's wife being raped at a TV event and the man beats the comedian to a pulp.

[Xeliou66]

2 minutes ago, dttruman said:

I'd like to see the producers and writers use a "Taken from the Headlines" concerning that little incident that took place at the Academy Awards last night. Where a comedian makes a joke about a man's wife being raped at a TV event and the man beats the comedian to a pulp.

I could see SVU doing their own spin on that incident, they love juicy ripped from the headlines celebrity stuff, I could see them doing one based on what happened last night but throwing in some SVU twists. 

[dttruman]

4 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

I could see SVU doing their own spin on that incident, they love juicy ripped from the headlines celebrity stuff, I could see them doing one based on what happened last night but throwing in some SVU twists. 

It would probably be something like this. The man's wife will have a definite slutty reputation from her past and has just had an encounter with the comedian, but Benson gets the wife to change her statement later to say that she was raped. Then either the husband or the wife shoots and kills the comedian and Benson testifies on her behalf.

[Prairie Rose]

On 3/28/2022 at 8:34 PM, dttruman said:

I'd like to see the producers and writers use a "Taken from the Headlines" concerning that little incident that took place at the Academy Awards last night. Where a comedian makes a joke about a man's wife being raped at a TV event and the man beats the comedian to a pulp.

That's a good idea, but somehow I see a Will Smith facsimile Oscar story happening more on the Mothership. Assuming the Mothership isn't renewed, yes it'll definitely happen one way or the other on SVU.

[WendyCR72]

The only thing I really want to see is this show END with some dignity in the next few years. Although with Dick Wolf around, I fear that ship has sailed. Olivia will be all Jessica Fletcher and probably croak at the precinct.

[Prairie Rose]

45 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

The only thing I really want to see is this show END with some dignity in the next few years. Although with Dick Wolf around, I fear that ship has sailed. Olivia will be all Jessica Fletcher and probably croak at the precinct.

MH is only a year younger now than when Angela Lansbury began playing Jessica Fletcher. By the time Benson and Stabler finally get their inevitable retirement/ride off into the sunset together moment as the show finally ends, they'll be in walkers!!!!

[dttruman]

2 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

The only thing I really want to see is this show END with some dignity in the next few years. Although with Dick Wolf around, I fear that ship has sailed. Olivia will be all Jessica Fletcher and probably croak at the precinct.

 

Do you for see more budget cuts in the near future? IE, low production value, research lacking, or less than acceptable scripts?

[dttruman]

2 hours ago, Prairie Rose said:

MH is only a year younger now than when Angela Lansbury began playing Jessica Fletcher. By the time Benson and Stabler finally get their inevitable retirement/ride off into the sunset together moment as the show finally ends, they'll be in walkers!!!!

I wonder if they would get an all-star line up, like Murder She Wrote would do each week? Or will they continue to get lesser known actors or up and comers for the future? Maybe in their final season they would splurge.

[WendyCR72]

4 minutes ago, dttruman said:

 

Do you for see more budget cuts in the near future? IE, low production value, research lacking, or less than acceptable scripts?

Well, if we're being honest, I think we have already arrived at all three. But I realize it is all about mileage varying, i.e. like the endless debate of whether Benson/Stabler should be endgame (hard HELL TO THE NO!!! here!). Everyone has opinions about all aspects of the show.

But in all seriousness, I know this will run until the very last drop is wrung from the stone, but I can't fathom any scenario that could be considered new or fresh, considering just how long this has been on the air.

Just now, dttruman said:

I wonder if they would get an all-star line up, like Murder She Wrote would do each week? Or will they continue to get lesser known actors or up and comers for the future? Maybe in their final season they would splurge.

That's assuming this doesn't just get the plug pulled, as the Mothership did, and have to edit in an ending. (Then again, Criminal Intent did get a formal sendoff, so I guess it could go either way...)

[dttruman]

7 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

That's assuming this doesn't just get the plug pulled, as the Mothership did, and have to edit in an ending. (Then again, Criminal Intent did get a formal sendoff, so I guess it could go either way...)

Bottom line, I never know what to expect.

[Jaded]

With Warren Leight announcing his departure as showrunner I'm thinking there will be some wishing going on in regards to the upcoming season...

[anna0852]

I'd love to see an episode where the squad investigates a comedian on a live late night sketch show. And borrows cast and set from SNL to do it. Like the SNL cast literally just plays themselves with different names. And shoots in 8H. Make Kate McKinnon the killer, I believe she could pull it off.

 

[dttruman]

1 hour ago, anna0852 said:

I'd love to see an episode where the squad investigates a comedian on a live late night sketch show. And borrows cast and set from SNL to do it. Like the SNL cast literally just plays themselves with different names. And shoots in 8H. Make Kate McKinnon the killer, I believe she could pull it off.

 

Diagnosis Murder (a Dick Van Dyke show) for different episodes, they would bring in former cast members of different tv shows and did something like that. They brought in "Happy Days", MASH, a salute to Sci-Fi, and others

[WendyCR72]

3 minutes ago, dttruman said:

Diagnosis Murder (a Dick Van Dyke show) for different episodes, they would bring in former cast members of different tv shows and did something like that. They brought in "Happy Days", MASH, a salute to Sci-Fi, and others

Yeah, but the Law & Order franchise is, of course, a straight procedural, not a light/comedic one like Murder, She Wrote, Diagnosis Murder, and/or Castle and Bones and such.

As a matter of fact, Castle already did an episode surrounding an SNL type show. Jaleel White (Urkel on Family Matters) played one of the cast members. The episode was called "Saturday Night Dead".

So I'm not sure it would work on a straight drama.

[dttruman]

3 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Yeah, but the Law & Order franchise is, of course, a straight procedural, not a light/comedic one like Murder, She Wrote, Diagnosis Murder, and/or Castle and Bones and such.

As a matter of fact, Castle already did an episode surrounding an SNL type show. Jaleel White (Urkel on Family Matters) played one of the cast members. The episode was called "Saturday Night Dead".

So I'm not sure it would work on a straight drama.

Oh Boy! Remember when SVU tried to write an episode where a rape occurred on a reality show and the reality show wasn't shut down and the detectives had to investigate while the show was still going on? I thought that was so unbelievable and stupid.

[Xeliou66]

2 minutes ago, dttruman said:

Oh Boy! Remember when SVU tried to write an episode where a rape occurred on a reality show and the reality show wasn't shut down and the detectives had to investigate while the show was still going on? I thought that was so unbelievable and stupid.

Yeah that was kind of a cheesy episode, Assaulting Reality from season 17, but I didn’t hate it, it was amusing in some ways. It was funny how Rollins loved the show, while Benson and Tucker hated it so much they demanded it be turned off in the bar. 

[dttruman]

8 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

It was funny how Rollins loved the show, while Benson and Tucker hated it so much they demanded it be turned off in the bar. 

I just found the highlight from that episode and I thought that was very rood of Benson to demand they turn it off. I don't blame Tucker as much because his comment was just a sarcastic remark. But I thought this was just another one of those little things that show's Benson's dictatorial tendencies. There were obviously others at the bar watching it, so what gives her the right to make a demand like that? I could understand if she politely asks the bartender to reduce the volume, but she insisted. 

My wish for Benson is to "Get Over Herself"

Judge for yourself, it's in the first minute of this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgUPh5tfRzU

 

[WendyCR72]

I DESPISE reality TV, so I sort of understand Olivia here.

BUT...

If others were enjoying the show/watching it, she had zero right to DEMAND the show be turned off. Don't like it? Take Tucker and leave the bar.