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Duke Silver

Duke Silver

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What is happening in NC is exactly what I envision happening (:fingerscrossed:***) 4 years from now--Dem wins Presidency, but GOP still controls House & Senate.  The GOP is treating this as a test case, for sure.

I'm so glad I opted to register as an Independent when I turned 18.  I sure as hell wouldn't want the stench of the GOP on me.  I am (now) mostly moderate in my views, but just couldn't stomach either party at the time.  It's weird...I was (much) more conservative when I was younger (turned 30 recently); it's supposed to work the opposite way, hahahaha.  I like to think it's because I have an innate sense of fairness & empathy that just needed to develop.

***Obviously, I'm not hoping for a repeat at the Federal level...I meant I hope we get rid of Trump/Pence in 2020

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And you can thank Dallas Woodhouse for the sorry state of democracy in NC.

'Well, you have to give him this: Dallas Woodhouse, executive director of the North Carolina Republican Party, didn’t try to be clever or subtle when he sent an email to GOP members of county boards of elections and other party members last weekend. No, he basically instructed those board members to use their majorities to curb early voting, keep polling sites closed on Sundays, close college campus voting sites and in general, to, as he put it, “make party line changes to early voting.”


I listened to this asshole jerk for what felt like hours yesterday but was probably just minutes. Woodhouse was defending the NC coup.

Chuck Todd had him on MTP last night and Todd did a heckuva job trying to pin this guy down on the recent NC shenanigans. "Dems are just crying crocodile tears." And the old, "They did it too!" argument. I have to give Chuck an A for effort. But it's hard to pin slime down.

He is a lying hypocrite of the worst order. And, from the shallow end, he has another smary, condescending southern accent. Blech. 

He has a liberal brother who called him a racist when the (above quoted) article came out.

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Padma

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This is what a defanged Republican Party looks like: California.

We have a Democratic governor, two Democratic (women) senators and a filibuster-proof "super majority" in both houses of the legislature.  And many Democrats seem to already be preparing for the inevitable fights:  Finally "states rights" will be used to justify good things rather than bad.

http://www.npr.org/2016/12/17/505904428/california-gets-ready-to-defy-trumps-washington

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Menrva

Menrva

33 minutes ago, Duke Silver said:

Oh STFU Gates.  You're one of the paid hacks working for Exxon who pushed Putin-loving Tillerson as SoS.

I admit, when I read "SoS", my brain supplied "Sack of Shit…"

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galaxygirl76

galaxygirl76

On 12/17/2016 at 1:55 PM, Duke Silver said:

I'm so glad I opted to register as an Independent when I turned 18.  I sure as hell wouldn't want the stench of the GOP on me.  I am (now) mostly moderate in my views, but just couldn't stomach either party at the time.  It's weird...I was (much) more conservative when I was younger (turned 30 recently); it's supposed to work the opposite way, hahahaha.  I like to think it's because I have an innate sense of fairness & empathy that just needed to develop.

 

My husband, born in '79, voted GWB twice, and for McCain(grudgingly). Since then he voted Obama and Clinton. He's a registered Republican who loves Reagan(not sure on the why there because of how young he was when Reagan was in office). With the direction the GOP is going he will never vote for them again. He really hates them trying to take away what should be basic human rights and the increasing influence of extreme religious people.

I'm a west-European slightly right from the center voter, which means in the US that I'm pretty far on the left wing scale I guess. I always laugh when Republicans call Obama a socialist because I lived during a socialist ran government and it was nothing like Obama.

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Duke Silver

Duke Silver

^^^ Well, I think we know from where (whence??) a fair part of anti-Obama sentiment stems, and it has zero to do with ideology.  Yeah, yeah Trump supporters: there are legit policy-based reasons to disagree w/ Obama; hell, I disagreed with him quite often.  However, the hate & vitriol directed at him, the pure obstructionism...well having seen the things I've seen, I know what is causing that.

Funny thing is, Obama is a moderate.  I know plenty of liberals who respect him for what he represents, but despair in the fact that he isn't liberal.

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roamyn

roamyn

I just blasted off an email to every Republican member of the legislature.

I hope they come back in another life as a gay, black female needing an abortion due to health or rape (cause you know that's next).

And I said that in the email.  I also made sure that I let them know I was a middle aged white female Republican.

It's f*g BULLSHIT.  They just WANTED Charlotte to repeal so that now they can't re-pass a new law.  And to make Cooper look bad.

I will help on ANY campaign against those who refused to back down.

Keep the bathroom portion, I'm fine with that, but everything else is pure male white supremacy thinking.

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izabella

izabella

35 minutes ago, Duke Silver said:

Newt so angry...  I despise Trump for many reasons, and enabling the re-emergence of Newt in the political spotlight is among them.

I guess that's what happens when Trumputin drains the swamp - Newt slithers out from the muck.

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stormy

stormy

Yay for NC Governor elect Roy Cooper.  He told CNN's Jake Tapper he still intends to sue the state republican legislature for passing laws limiting his authority.

These people really suck.

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roamyn

roamyn

17 hours ago, AntiBeeSpray said:

^ And classist, sexist disenfranchisement. They don't like POC, lgbtqa, women and the poor.

They're  (the GOP in NC) okay with poor, white, redneck men, too.

Believe it or not, my 70+ yr old GM who was raised in VA, and is white, always believes the police are wrong when a black person is shot, is very liberal, and always takes a stand defending the AA community & culture.

That surprised me when I found that out. I assumed because he was an older white gentleman in a position of mgmt, that he would be very conservative.

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Bookish Jen

Bookish Jen

On 12/21/2016 at 8:40 PM, roamyn said:

I just blasted off an email to every Republican member of the legislature.

I hope they come back in another life as a gay, black female needing an abortion due to health or rape (cause you know that's next).

And I said that in the email.  I also made sure that I let them know I was a middle aged white female Republican.

It's f*g BULLSHIT.  They just WANTED Charlotte to repeal so that now they can't re-pass a new law.  And to make Cooper look bad.

I will help on ANY campaign against those who refused to back down.

Keep the bathroom portion, I'm fine with that, but everything else is pure male white supremacy thinking.

You forgot that this person has a girlfriend who is Muslim, an undocumented immigrant from Mexico and is also a disabled news reporter who asks intelligent questions that require intelligent answers. 

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Duke Silver

Duke Silver

This guy kinda sorta sounds like me (though I have always been a registered Independent who was decidedly conservative as a young adult but has actually become more liberal in adulthood).  He definitely sounds like older friends of mine who were Republicans but have left the party over the past 10 years or so.

Donald Trump and the GOP, I want my party back

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I want to get back to arguing over how to approach global warming, either with top heavy government regulation, or a free-market, cap-and- trade type system. I want to get back to shooting down dumbass arguments against “assault weapons” (which is redundant) or supporting reasonable alternatives like universal background checks.

But I’m not doing that. 

Do you know why I’m not doing that? 

Because the party that is supposed to represent my values as a conservative has lost its ever-loving mind.

Instead of arguing over the most cost-effective to deliver affordable healthcare to all Americans, Republicans continue to argue that the plan they spent thirty years fighting for is suddenly socialist because it was signed into law by a black dude, and that twenty million people need to lose their health care without any plan in place to help them.

 

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sistermagpie

sistermagpie

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10 hours ago, Duke Silver said:

Because the party that is supposed to represent my values as a conservative has lost its ever-loving mind.

I'm really surprised that more Republicans aren't feeling exactly this way and abandoning the party because of it. The trouble seems to be that a lot of people who must feel that way would still prefer to vote for the party rather than go Democrat or something else until the party regains its senses. We've seen the Tea Party take over more and more and at this point I don't understand how any reasonable person can vote for it. And I know Republicans used to be reasonable people who just had different beliefs. It's like little by little this stuff became normalized.

At this point it doesn't seem like a political party, even one I disagree with, so much as some bizarre cult.

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galaxygirl76

galaxygirl76

24 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

I'm really surprised that more Republicans aren't feeling exactly this way and abandoning the party because of it. The trouble seems to be that a lot of people who must feel that way would still prefer to vote for the party rather than go Democrat or something else until the party regains its senses. We've seen the Tea Party take over more and more and at this point I don't understand how any reasonable person can vote for it. And I know Republicans used to be reasonable people who just had different beliefs. It's like little by little this stuff became normalized.

At this point it doesn't seem like a political party, even one I disagree with, so much as some bizarre cult.

I may have mentioned this before but my husband is a registered Republican who stopped voting Republican(voted Obama and Clinton) because of the Tea Party's increasing power. He's not even a little bit religious, so the influx of religious power within the party really bothers him.

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sistermagpie

sistermagpie

2 minutes ago, galaxygirl76 said:

I may have mentioned this before but my husband is a registered Republican who stopped voting Republican(voted Obama and Clinton) because of the Tea Party's increasing power. He's not even a little bit religious, so the influx of religious power within the party really bothers him.

Exactly--that makes so much sense to me. There's got to be lots of people like that who must look at the party and feel like they're in a room full of crazy and they're the only one who hasn't drunk the Kool-aid.

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Duke Silver

Duke Silver

Nice to see McCain hanging tough WRT #RussianHack, though I'm waiting to see what happens with confirmations** (especially Tillerson).  All this rhetoric won't mean anything if Trump gets all of his Putin Pals in place.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/814621544878055424

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**I'm speaking more about what his rhetoric & vote will be during confirmation hearings.  I still have zero doubt Tillerson will be confirmed; there's just waaaaay too much $$$$ and influence backing him.

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Duke Silver

Duke Silver

This probably could've gone into the Media thread, but I found the answers to be accurate depictions of what has happened to conservatism a/c right-wing media, as well as the ultimate damage Trump will do to the conservative movement (much booze has been consumed by myself & conservative friends about this very topic since election day).

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sistermagpie

sistermagpie

2 hours ago, Duke Silver said:

This probably could've gone into the Media thread, but I found the answers to be accurate depictions of what has happened to conservatism a/c right-wing media, as well as the ultimate damage Trump will do to the conservative movement (much booze has been consumed by myself & conservative friends about this very topic since election day).

I do wish the guy being interviewed didn't sometimes sound like he's just suddenly drawing the line where he it was a problem for him without drawing any connection to himself and the situation. I mean, when he starts drawing that equivalence between Obama and Trump he just sounds disassociated from reality. Or when he says it might "shock" the people to know he'd have preferred a 3rd term of Obama over Trump. Any reasonable person would prefer a 3rd term Obama over Trump--it shouldn't be a surprise. It's like liberals still find it easier to draw stark differences between Trump and the other Republican candidates than he does between Obama and Trump (who he naturally tags as a liberal anyway).

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Keepitmoving

Keepitmoving

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Bwaah, LOL, thanks LOD, so informative, no wonder they want to repeal the ACA so bad,  it's the Republican's plan and they can't stand that Obama gets credit for it. Obama came into office and said fuck it, they don't want our liberal plans for healthcare that Hillary tried to push during the Clinton admin., we'll I'll just package their plan and take credit for it, I love it. It's Mitt Romney's plan, LOL. OK, so maybe it isn't just that I know they are racist and therefore, can't stand anything Obama, they're pissed because they sat on their own damn plan and the black man was smart enough to package it, go around the country and promote it and get it named after him in history. Well, they were too slow, that's not his fault.  So that's why they can't come up with a new plan, ACA is the original republican plan, too good. Hot mess, just a hot mess. 

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stormy

stormy

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Great but, why is it acceptable to the republicans that their esteemed leader sides with Julian Assange and putin?

It's dead silence from them.  Unless I missed Lindsey Graham or John McCain today.

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SpencerHawk

SpencerHawk

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On 1/2/2017 at 11:29 PM, theredhead77 said:

A secret ballot, eh? Seems pretty unethical. Oh, wait.

Yep and just came across this. Another nice and unethical bill.

Source: msn.com

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The GOP-backed Midnight Rule Relief Act, which passed the previous Congress in November, was approved largely along party lines by a vote of 238-184 on the second day of the new Congress, despite Democratic opposition.

If passed by the Senate and signed by President-elect Donald Drumpf, the legislation would amend the Congressional Review Act to allow lawmakers to bundle together multiple rules and overturn them en masse with a joint resolution of disapproval.

The White House has already threatened to veto the bill if it were to make it to President Obama's desk before he leaves office.

I'm glad that the White House has threatened to veto this. This is reproachable what they're trying to get away with.

I especially agree with this part of the article:

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But Democrats argued that the bill would allow Congress to erase months of President Obama's regulatory agenda.

Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) accused Republicans of bringing a bill to gut regulations a day after trying to gut the Office of Congressional Ethics.

"They like the idea of the fox guarding the hen house. They want to put themselves in control of the hen house, so what do they do today come back not with a jobs bill, but a regulations bill, something that protects the health safety and welfare of Americans, little ones, elderly, workers and people who are consumers," he said.

They love that they have the chance to strip everything away. And they'll do it any way that they can.

Here's the bill in question, via congress.gov. And here's an earlier version.

And here's an article via the Huffington Post about it.

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NewDigs

NewDigs

Looks like Cruz is expanding on the "Obama didn't do enough soon enough" theme. Or as he puts it, "rolled over".

I'm not familiar with TheBlaze but:

'Calling the notion that Russian hacking helped President-elect Donald Trump win the presidency “absurd,” Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) nonetheless acknowledged that the hacking existed and was helped along by President Barack Obama’s fecklessness."

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