S06.E10: Lemons Into Lemonade

[GreatKazu]

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What I don't get is if April was such a bad mother, and it has been said a lot she was, why would Tyler and Cate leave Nova there so much? Why wouldn't they protect their daughter from what Cate experienced?

Because it gives them the time to go and get high and party with their friends. Tyler asked Cate how was she going to handle being around their friends when they toke it up. Their lifestyle is no better than April's. They probably  feel April is in a different place now than she was when she was at her worst. Cate probably does it out of guilt as well since April blasted her for giving away Carly. But the biggest reason, I feel, is because leaving Carly with April allows Cate to not have to do anything that a SAHM is supposed to be doing.

If April is ashamed of herself every single day, that surely won't help her sobriety. We doubt she is clean, so it is likely she hasn't sought real aftercare treatment. Did she even go to rehab or did she quit cold turkey?

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To me, Tyler and his mother are the biggest jerks ever.

Add Cate to that list. I just cannot stand people who go around and use the word "retards" to defend themselves from people who blast her for putting her naked child on snapchat. I also cannot stand people who put their child's safety at risk the way Cate did yesterday.

Edited October 22, 2016 by GreatKazu

[Katt]

My husband is a teacher and when students use the words retard and gay as negatives, he loses his shit. Really, what does that say about YOU if you that's your go-to when you've acted like a space cadet and been called out? I have space cadets in my family so it's okay for ME to say that. 

[GreatKazu]

9 minutes ago, Katt said:

My husband is a teacher and when students use the words retard and gay as negatives, he loses his shit. Really, what does that say about YOU if you that's your go-to when you've acted like a space cadet and been called out? I have space cadets in my family so it's okay for ME to say that. 

Good for your husband. Tell him thank you from me. 

[ginger90]

I think if Tyler had been the one to wake Cate from her "snooze" and drove her to the appointment, Cate would have said sonething negative about it. She may have thought it to herself, and used it later. The fact Cate knew it was an important appointment, hit snooze and knew she would be late, leaves it on her, no controlling from Tyler. The ball was in her court and she blew it, all by herself.

[CofCinci]

2 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

I think if Tyler had been the one to wake Cate from her "snooze" and drove her to the appointment, Cate would have said sonething negative about it. She may have thought it to herself, and used it later. The fact Cate knew it was an important appointment, hit snooze and knew she would be late, leaves it on her, no controlling from Tyler. The ball was in her court and she blew it, all by herself.

Tyler is damned if he does/damned if he don't when it comes to Catelynn's "depression" -- which is why he's so checked out of this relationship.  We'll see 8 weeks of "my wife" this and that posts on social media only because they have a shitty book to promote but then we'll see nothing.  With joint ownership of two properties now, we know the thought of splitting has run through Tyler's head. You get this house, I'll take the other one. You keep your vehicles and I'll keep my toys. 

[GreatKazu]

2 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

I think if Tyler had been the one to wake Cate from her "snooze" and drove her to the appointment, Cate would have said sonething negative about it. She may have thought it to herself, and used it later. The fact Cate knew it was an important appointment, hit snooze and knew she would be late, leaves it on her, no controlling from Tyler. The ball was in her court and she blew it, all by herself.

Exactly.

I think Tyler may have been told by Kinko Kathleen, and Cate may have been told this as well, that it is up to Cate to make the appointment and follow through with it.

Knowing Tyler, and going by what he has said on camera, he may have told KK how Cate is gung-ho at other times, but when it comes to her mental health well-being, she is not following through with any aftercare. We know he told KK how he feels it was likely him pushing Cate that caused her to go to rehab, not so much that she wanted help for herself.  It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility KK then advised Tyler and Cate it is on her to follow through. If she really wants help, she will seek it.

[BravoAddict72]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

I think if Tyler had been the one to wake Cate from her "snooze" and drove her to the appointment, Cate would have said sonething negative about it. She may have thought it to herself, and used it later. The fact Cate knew it was an important appointment, hit snooze and knew she would be late, leaves it on her, no controlling from Tyler. The ball was in her court and she blew it, all by herself.

But maybe she couldn't get up by herself. When I was at my lowest point with my depression I would sleep up to 16 hours a day. I could not make myself wake up. No matter how many alarms went off I could not get out of bed. Tyler lives with her. He has to see how bad she is. As a supportive spouse he could have made sure she got up and went. It's not like he has a job to go to. His day is pretty flexible.

[SPLAIN]

43 minutes ago, BravoAddict72 said:

But maybe she couldn't get up by herself. When I was at my lowest point with my depression I would sleep up to 16 hours a day. I could not make myself wake up. No matter how many alarms went off I could not get out of bed. Tyler lives with her. He has to see how bad she is. As a supportive spouse he could have made sure she got up and went. It's not like he has a job to go to. His day is pretty flexible.

Of course he sees how bad it is, that is why he was on her ass about making that appointment. She kept blowing it off. She told him to stop telling her about it. He is damned for asking and he is damned for not doing. What the hell is he supposed to do if his wife tells him to leave her alone and that she will get to it when she wants?

I highly doubt Cate is sleeping 16 hour days when it is important such as right now as she is walking around Los Angeles.  If she is sleeping so much, perhaps getting off the bong would be the first thing she needs to do.

I laugh at the thought Cate is sleeping in the whole day when there is a concert to go to or when she has something planned that is not mundane to her. Cate is not sleeping. She is busy posting her daughter naked on Snap Chat. She isn't too tired, depressed, or sleeping to do that. She can call out people by calling them "retards". I suppose that is her depression and her mental illness that is at fault.

We don't even know if that was Cate's first attempt at going to the psychologist office. She may have called and canceled appointments before this one. We don't know if Tyler did in fact ask her if she wanted him to drive her there. I could see Tyler wanting to drive her since he is so adamant and somewhat controlling about her being seen by the psychiatrist. Cate probably blew him off and told him she would go on her own. We know Tyler wasn't there or else Cate would have mentioned it in her explanation to him. She goes into detail about hitting the snooze button. She wouldn't be saying that to Tyler if in fact he was home.

Edited October 22, 2016 by SPLAIN

[AmyFarrahFowler]

2 hours ago, SPLAIN said:

Of course he sees how bad it is, that is why he was on her ass about making that appointment. She kept blowing it off. She told him to stop telling her about it. He is damned for asking and he is damned for notOh Catelyyn doing. What the hell is he supposed to do if his wife tells him to leave her alone and that she will get to it when she wants?

I highly doubt Cate is sleeping 16 hour days when it is important such as right now as she is walking around Los Angeles.  If she is sleeping so much, perhaps getting off the bong would be the first thing she needs to do.

I laugh at the thought Cate is sleeping in the whole day when there is a concert to go to or when she has something planned that is not mundane to her. Cate is not sleeping. She is busy posting her daughter naked on Snap Chat. She isn't too tired, depressed, or sleeping to do that. She can call out people by calling them "retards". I suppose that is her depression and her mental illness that is at fault.

We don't even know if that was Cate's first attempt at going to the psychologist office. She may have called and canceled appointments before this one. We don't know if Tyler did in fact ask her if she wanted him to drive her there. I could see Tyler wanting to drive her since he is so adamant and somewhat controlling about her being seen by the psychiatrist. Cate probably blew him off and told him she would go on her own. We know Tyler wasn't there or else Cate would have mentioned it in her explanation to him. She goes into detail about hitting the snooze button. She wouldn't be saying that to Tyler if in fact he was home.

I have truly been expecting Catelynn to use that as an excuse for using derogatory language. I'm sure some leg humper will put it into her head such as " Oh Catelynn you say awful things because you're depressed and anxious. People expect too much from you." or something to that effect.

[mamadrama]

So I was kind of on the fence with @CofCinci's theory of Cate being in rehab for something more than anxiety. I just hadn't seen enough to convince me otherwise. However, right before she went to rehab she talked about her marijuana use and stopping it and when she returned she talked about being off of marijuana, as did everyone else in her life, making it sound like she went there at least partly for IT. Yet now she is proudly declaring her MJ card and talking about using it instead of anti-anxiety meds. If she really went to rehab for her marijuana use, or at least in part because of it, then why be proud of being "off the wagon" by bragging about using it NOW? If it was REALLY marijuana Kim was talking about in the kitchen, and Cate was upset for being "outed," then why get on Twitter or wherever and brag about using it and needing it? So I think CoCinci is right; it was harder drugs. The pot was just a code. 

Her behavior "by the rocks", missing the doctor's appointment, and on Snapchat has just solidified this for me. 

[GreatKazu]

20 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

So I was kind of on the fence with @CofCinci's theory of Cate being in rehab for something more than anxiety. I just hadn't seen enough to convince me otherwise. However, right before she went to rehab she talked about her marijuana use and stopping it and when she returned she talked about being off of marijuana, as did everyone else in her life, making it sound like she went there at least partly for IT. Yet now she is proudly declaring her MJ card and talking about using it instead of anti-anxiety meds. If she really went to rehab for her marijuana use, or at least in part because of it, then why be proud of being "off the wagon" by bragging about using it NOW? If it was REALLY marijuana Kim was talking about in the kitchen, and Cate was upset for being "outed," then why get on Twitter or wherever and brag about using it and needing it? So I think CoCinci is right; it was harder drugs. The pot was just a code. 

Her behavior "by the rocks", missing the doctor's appointment, and on Snapchat has just solidified this for me. 

I declared the very same thing in two other topics.

The scene with Kim was what solidified it for me.

Cate didn't have an issue with covering the car camera. She didn't have an issue when Tyler called her up asking about the roaches. Cate and April were having a blast as they drove to Boogie Town. How many of these trips have these two taken before? No qualms, no worries, she showed no fear, she wasn't upset at all if the world knew she smoked pot. Going as far as showing her weed card (whether it is a real one or not is another story), while declaring it was wrong for her to drive while under the influence only after she was called out for her behavior and AFTER the scene aired. Tyler is upset with Cate, but not for pot use. He knows more than he is willing to share. It was his and Cate's dirty little secret. We know MTV will cover it up just like Leah's addiction. I truly believe MTV inserted those scenes of the pot references so as to make it look that was Cate's problem. They hid everything else.

Sorry for rambling. Just had a glass of wine.

Edited October 23, 2016 by GreatKazu

[mamadrama]

11 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

I declared the very same thing in two other topics.

The scene with Kim was what solidified it for me.

Cate didn't have an issue with covering the car camera. She didn't have an issue when Tyler called her up asking about the roaches. Cate and April were having a blast as they drove to Boogie Town. How many of these trips have these two taken before? No qualms, no worries, she showed no fear, she wasn't upset at all if the world knew she smoked pot. Going as far as showing her weed card (whether it is a real one or not is another story), while declaring it was wrong for her to drive while under the influence only after she was called out for her behavior and AFTER the scene aired. Tyler is upset with Cate, but not for pot use. He knows more than he is willing to share. It was his and Cate's dirty little secret. We know MTV will cover it up just like Leah's addiction. I truly believe MTV inserted those scenes of the pot references so as to make it look that was Cate's problem. They hid everything else.

Sorry for rambling. Just had a glass of wine.

I remembered that other people had mentioned that too. All the posts and snark start sliding together to me after awhile! And yeah, you're right. She wasn't ashamed of her pot use. Wouldn't have gone to rehab for it, just to turn around and brag about her pot card later. She doesn't have the wait loss to be a typical meth user but the skin, mania, and listlessness remind me of the meth users I used to work with. Although maybe she's moved up to something classier, like cocaine or heroin. I don't know; is crack still whack? 

MTV isn't doing any of these girls any favors. 

[Katt]

6 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Good for your husband. Tell him thank you from me. 

Well, I would, but I'm currently packing my bags. He borrowed my Jeep earlier today and he did NOT put a measly little scratch on it,  it went the fuck up in flames.
Seriously, I'm glad he's okay but I'll miss that car. Oh, and STFU, Tyler!

[GreatKazu]

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She doesn't have the wait loss to be a typical meth user but the skin, mania, and listlessness remind me of the meth users I used to work with. Although maybe she's moved up to something classier, like cocaine or heroin.

I know a few have mentioned cocaine couldn't be it because of her weight, but you'd be surprised how many people who are not thin, do cocaine.

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I remembered that other people had mentioned that too. All the posts and snark start sliding together to me after awhile!

They do mesh together after awhile. lol  Just wanted to point out that I agree with your opinion.

 

6 minutes ago, Katt said:

Well, I would, but I'm currently packing my bags. He borrowed my Jeep earlier today and he did NOT put a measly little scratch on it,  it went the fuck up in flames.
Seriously, I'm glad he's okay but I'll miss that car. Oh, and STFU, Tyler!

Say whaaaaaaat? *my eyes bugged out like Ryan's*

OMG how horrible!

Glad to read he is okay.

Edited October 23, 2016 by GreatKazu

[CofCinci]

Finally!!  See the light, my friends. Boogietown. Boogietown ain't about pot.  Boogietown gets you excited. You dance in Boogietown. You get a pre-high just thinking about Boogietown.  These people smoke pot all day every day.  You don't get excited about that. There's no giddynes. You don't buy $3,000 pigs on pot. Boogietown was a treat. Boogietown was something special.  They lost the MTV camera crew and thought they can smokw Boogietown in the car. Something she can do with her dirtbag mother to forget about the years abuse while her narcissistic husband is at home throwing Cheetos on the carpet to the shirtless child of the next generation of neglect. 

[mamadrama]

18 minutes ago, Katt said:

Well, I would, but I'm currently packing my bags. He borrowed my Jeep earlier today and he did NOT put a measly little scratch on it,  it went the fuck up in flames.
Seriously, I'm glad he's okay but I'll miss that car. Oh, and STFU, Tyler!

Oh man! That's awful. I hope everyone is okay. My son currently has mono and he was in the hospital yesterday with a swollen spleen. Which isn't meant to minimize or try to out-do YOUR crisis, but is meant in a "I-understand-what-it's-like-to-have-a-family-crisis-at-the-moment-and-I-am-really-thinking-of-you", not in the kind of "fake-platitude-Facebook-comment-that-I-will-promptly-forget-about" kind of way. 

14 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

I know a few have mentioned cocaine couldn't be it because of her weight, but you'd be surprised how many people who are not thin, do cocaine.

They do mesh together after awhile. lol  Just wanted to point out that I agree with your opinion.

 

It's mostly meth that I have been around; my clients couldn't really afford the other stuff. This was before laws made it harder to come by pain pills and everyone turned to heroin. Now, in my area anyway, heroin is the thing.* Picking at her face like that is definitely something that points to habitual drug use.I realize that other things, even anxiety, can cause that by the sum of all the parts definitely points to drug use. 

 

*Side note: I had a book release about three months ago. A typo went uncaught by the editor. I meant to write that a certain area was having a "heroin" epidemic but instead it read "heroine." So apparently that part of the country is having an upsurge of women who are kicking ass and taking names. 

[GreatKazu]

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I had a book release about three months ago. A typo went uncaught by the editor. I meant to write that a certain area was having a "heroin" epidemic but instead it read "heroine." So apparently that part of the country is having an upsurge of women who are kicking ass and taking names. 

lol 

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My son currently has mono and he was in the hospital yesterday with a swollen spleen.

Oh man!

I am sorry to read this about your son. I hope he is gets well very soon!

14 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Finally!!  See the light, my friends. Boogietown. Boogietown ain't about pot.  Boogietown gets you excited. You dance in Boogietown. You get a pre-high just thinking about Boogietown.  These people smoke pot all day every day.  You don't get excited about that. There's no giddynes. You don't buy $3,000 pigs on pot. Boogietown was a treat. Boogietown was something special.  They lost the MTV camera crew and thought they can smokw Boogietown in the car. Something she can do with her dirtbag mother to forget about the years abuse while her narcissistic husband is at home throwing Cheetos on the carpet to the shirtless child of the next generation of neglect. 

lol  That's Leah's house.

Ritz crackers is Nova's go-to snack. It is also her breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

I keep wondering how many times did Cate cover up the dash cam over the seasons to hide her pot use and other drug use? I imagine she did it a lot. MTV editors felt the footage was useless and didn't want to out their precious Cate anyways, so they never used those scenes. Cate probably thought they would always cover her ass. Ha!

[CofCinci]

I swear I've seen Nova eat #carpetcheetos too. Cate is the new Leah. Timing is perfect now that Leah is cleaning up her act via Law of Attraction and "college". 

[GreatKazu]

4 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

I swear I've seen Nova eat #carpetcheetos too. Cate is the new Leah. Timing is perfect now that Leah is cleaning up her act via Law of Attraction and "college". 

Damn Leah. She was at her best (worst?) when it was all about her dickses and pillses.

As for Nova's diet, I wouldn't doubt it was Cheetos, but it was probably Cheeto-poo that the dogs pooped out after they found them on the ground and ate them.

TM has become the new nighttime soap. Larry Hagman (J.R. Ewing) is spinning in his grave.

[AhFillAck]

On ‎10‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 8:34 PM, mamadrama said:

Now we're not going to be having any of private message stuff. You can just march right over to "small talk" and spill those beans because, you know, inquiring minds and all... ;-) Seriously. That's some cool shit right there. I love my Girls and Designing Women. I spent an hour on Reddit the other day reading stories from folks who have met famous people in real life. I used to work for an events' center in a big southern city. I met most of the relevant country music singers at the time. Nothing juicy to share, unfortunately, except for the fact that this one Christian group was so bitchy I almost lost my job when I got into a fight with the lead singer. (They were filming a video and using our kitchen as their makeup room. She wouldn't let me get to my sandwich in the refrigerator. I was hungry and shit happens.)

Fine. FINE. FINE!!! I will post about it in Small Talk tomorrow. :) However, I will not march over, I will slink over. Hee hee.

I will also mention which cast member of Beverly Hills 90210 was a major asshole while standing next to me at KFC in 1998. That may be an easy one.

Sorry, off-topic, so I will say something relevant to Teen Mom: Everyone on it is dumb.

[mamadrama]

41 minutes ago, AhFillAck said:

Fine. FINE. FINE!!! I will post about it in Small Talk tomorrow. :) However, I will not march over, I will slink over. Hee hee.

I will also mention which cast member of Beverly Hills 90210 was a major asshole while standing next to me at KFC in 1998. That may be an easy one.

Sorry, off-topic, so I will say something relevant to Teen Mom: Everyone on it is dumb.

They all stink and there isn't a one of them I'd sit down and have a meal with. Except maybe the kids. They mostly seem okay. (There, I added something as well.)

I am excited to read the scoop. 

[DangerousMinds]

17 hours ago, BravoAddict72 said:

But maybe she couldn't get up by herself. When I was at my lowest point with my depression I would sleep up to 16 hours a day. I could not make myself wake up. No matter how many alarms went off I could not get out of bed. Tyler lives with her. He has to see how bad she is. As a supportive spouse he could have made sure she got up and went. It's not like he has a job to go to. His day is pretty flexible.

I have also been there. Even lost my job because. I am sure I would have resented help but I needed it.

[Katt]

@mamadrama That's way more stressful than an unscathed husband! Hugs to your son. Thank you @GreatKazu
I was just wondering how long it would have taken Tyler to ask about Catelynn if his crappy dually had been on fire while she had it instead of that little scratch. 

[mamadrama]

1 hour ago, Katt said:

@mamadrama That's way more stressful than an unscathed husband! Hugs to your son. Thank you @GreatKazu
I was just wondering how long it would have taken Tyler to ask about Catelynn if his crappy dually had been on fire while she had it instead of that little scratch. 

Dude, a car going up in flames trumps virus just about every time. I can definitely imagine the conversation, though. 

Cate: Tyler, I was out on the road and your car just blew up. It went up in flames. I was sooo scared and I am still shaking and-

Tyler (running towards her with arms outstretched, horror on his face: Oh my God, my baby!

Cate (reaching for him): I know but I'm okay and-

Tyler rushes past her, arms still outstretched, and starts running down the road, looking for his car. 

[ghoulina]

On 10/21/2016 at 11:24 PM, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

(As for #3, I can totally see Cate thinking "This woman bitched constantly that I didn't keep her grandkid. She wanted a grandkid SO bad. Well, guess she can't say sh*t when I drop the grandkid off to her all the time. Hahahaha!")

Didn't consider this angle - but YES to #3 as well. Cate is really low down passive aggressive. She keeps it all inside and does crap like that. Mmmmhmmm. 

[teapot]

I wonder why they don't have Nova in part-time day care.  Seriously, they can afford it & she'd be better off, interacting w/other toddlers, doing age-appropriate activities, wearing clothes & eating lunch at a table, having people talk to her...

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

If Cate really is doing drugs harder than pot, some responsible person in that family (I know, hahahahaha) needs to contact CPS. {I'm looking at you, Kim.}

[heatherchandler]

I love this - from imbringingbloggingback.com - 

In the end, Farrah’s grand opening was a huge success.  I don’t know.  All I know is that there was a long line of people, Farrah had those giant scissors to cut the ribbon and she and Debra were wearing silver sparkly gowns like they were both Barker’s Beauties on the Price is Right.

[GreatKazu]

22 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

I love this - from imbringingbloggingback.com - 

In the end, Farrah’s grand opening was a huge success.  I don’t know.  All I know is that there was a long line of people, Farrah had those giant scissors to cut the ribbon and she and Debra were wearing silver sparkly gowns like they were both Barker’s Beauties on the Price is Right.

No, not Barker's Beauties. More like the Gong Show.

Remember how MTV used to insert popular music into their shows such as The Real World? I can remember to this day certain songs that appeared in different seasons. I remember the song by R.E.M. "Losing My Religion" being played during a scene where Jon (RW Venice/Los Angeles) was talking about his upbringing and religion. The song seemed to fit whatever was happening on the show.

Oh how I wish that was happening today with TMOG and TM2. I can think of several songs that would fit the cast members and their situations. "Dirty Laundry" by Don Henley would suit Catelynn and Tyler. Kail, too.

Edited October 24, 2016 by GreatKazu

[heatherchandler]

11 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

 

Remember how MTV used to insert popular music into their shows such as The Real World? ...

Oh how I wish that was happening today with TMOG and TM2. I can think of several songs that would fit the cast members and their situations. "Dirty Laundry" by Don Henley would suit Catelynn and Tyler. Kail, too.

Oh how I wish they still did that!  I hate the dumb music they play these days for TM.