Grimm Spoilers and Spoiler Discussion

[Free]

Am I super naive to believe what the producers said at comic con?  That Juliette is dead and would only be back in flashbacks?  Yes, I probably am.  But I don't want to see Juliette's long lost sister or identical cousin, either, that's for sure. 

 

I want to believe them, but it's because of these writers that I don't fully believe it.

[OtterMommy]

Am I super naive to believe what the producers said at comic con?  That Juliette is dead and would only be back in flashbacks?  Yes, I probably am.  But I don't want to see Juliette's long lost sister or identical cousin, either, that's for sure. 

 

Sadly, I think the answer to your question is yes.  I'm more and more convinced that BT will be back, although I'm not sure if it will be as Juliette or someone else....

[Free]

Sadly, I think the answer to your question is yes.  I'm more and more convinced that BT will be back, although I'm not sure if it will be as Juliette or someone else....

 

Please not another villain, that arc was just awful.

[OtterMommy]

Please not another villain, that arc was just awful.

 

I'm probably going to get banned from this board for life for this, but here it goes.

 

I agree with this sentiment about 99%.  BT just wasn't able to pull off Juliette's arc the last part of the season and her scenes were some of the most nonsensical ones I've ever seen...except one.  Upon my re-watching, I realized that there was one scene that was surprisingly good on her part.  It was the one where Nick goes to visit her in her jail cell after she's picked up for assault.  I thought BT actually did a surprisingly good job of pulling that off.  Of course, her next major scene (which happened in the next episode...when Rosalee goes to visit her in jail) was probably the worst acting job she did in the entire series.  I still feel itchy thinking about that.

 

I guess what I'm saying is that, if BT is given a narrowly and well-defined role with some very strong direction (stronger than this show is probably used to), she might be able to pull off a villain.  Maybe.

[Free]

I guess what I'm saying is that, if BT is given a narrowly and well-defined role with some very strong direction (stronger than this show is probably used to), she might be able to pull off a villain.  Maybe.

 

The writing was all over her place, it was difficult to keep track of what her motives were supposed to be because it felt so uneven and we never got any sense of inner struggle in her character because the writers didn't know what to do.

[OtterMommy]

The writing was all over her place, it was difficult to keep track of what her motives were supposed to be because it felt so uneven and we never got any sense of inner struggle in her character because the writers didn't know what to do.

 

This is true.  \While BT is responsible for her acting, she isn't really responsible for the lines she is given.  After re-watching season 4 I have to say that they had a very uneven writing staff.  Some of the episodes were written well, others were horrible.  There were a couple where everyone in the cast, from Renard to Monroe to Nick to Juliette, sounded stilted and awkward. That can't be blamed on acting.

 

And I wonder how much of the arc of the season was done on the fly.  They map out the seasons early--like in May or June--but the show runners flat-out admitted that they threw in minor little things like, oh, ADALIND'S PREGNANCY at basically the last minute.  I have a feeling there was far more shuffling than they are admitting to.

 

The silver lining, though, is I think that part of the show should improve in season 5.  Season 4's ratings can't be ignored and the show runners know they have to step up their game this season or they are done. So, we'll see....

Edited October 22, 2015 by OtterMommy

[Free]

Some of the episodes were written well, others were horrible.

 

I'd say, I liked the middle section of the season, because the beginning portion dealt with Nick's power loss and the end portion of course had Juliette's mess of an arc.

[OtterMommy]

I'd say, I liked the middle section of the season, because the beginning portion dealt with Nick's power loss and the end portion of course had Juliette's mess of an arc.

 

Oh, I agree.  I mean, the Tribunal COULD have been a mess, but it actually worked quite well.  The uneven episodes I talked about were in the first part of the season.  The episodes in the last part of the season weren't uneven--they were pretty much uniformly bad.

[Free]

Oh, I agree.  I mean, the Tribunal COULD have been a mess, but it actually worked quite well.  The uneven episodes I talked about were in the first part of the season.  The episodes in the last part of the season weren't uneven--they were pretty much uniformly bad.

 

I meant the season as a whole is bad.  Grimm can usually do the Wesen of the week storylines, but they struggle with bigger story arcs that usually involve Juliette or Adalind.

[OtterMommy]

I meant the season as a whole is bad.  Grimm can usually do the Wesen of the week storylines, but they struggle with bigger story arcs that usually involve Juliette or Adalind.

 

This is what worries me about season 5--from what we've been told, it sounds like it is ALL longer arcs...and many arcs to boot!  I agree--the formula that seems to work for them is one longer arc that kind of runs in the background and then WotW episodes.  This worked well in seasons 1 and (to a lesser extent) 2. In season 1, we had whatever happened to Nick's parents going on behind the weekly episodes and then, in season 2, we had the keys.  Now, obviously, they really only succeeded with one of those arcs because we know what happened to Nick's parents but we're still in the dark with the keys...but still.  

 

So, in season 5, it looks like we have for longer arcs:

• Whatever the hell is going on with Juliette/Bitsie Tulloch
• Whatever is going on with Chavez and Trubel
• The damn baby
• Shipping Adalind with either Nick (boo!!!) or Meisner (yay!!!!)
• Why the hell there are so many Wesen in Portland and/or Wesen Street Gang Warfare
• Whatever "political intrigue" will involve Renard
• Rosalee dealing with her past addiction

 

Did I miss anything?

 

See what I mean?  They really need to up their game if they don't want this to be a complete disaster.

[Free]

This is what worries me about season 5--from what we've been told, it sounds like it is ALL longer arcs...and many arcs to boot!  I agree--the formula that seems to work for them is one longer arc that kind of runs in the background and then WotW episodes.  This worked well in seasons 1 and (to a lesser extent) 2. In season 1, we had whatever happened to Nick's parents going on behind the weekly episodes and then, in season 2, we had the keys.  Now, obviously, they really only succeeded with one of those arcs because we know what happened to Nick's parents but we're still in the dark with the keys...but still.

 

Exactly, the more serialized Grimm got, the worse it became because the writers struggled to handle the story arcs which got worse and worse.  It meanders for a while and then sputters off.

[ShadowFacts]

 

So, in season 5, it looks like we have for longer arcs:

    Whatever the hell is going on with Juliette/Bitsie Tulloch

    Whatever is going on with Chavez and Trubel

    The damn baby

    Shipping Adalind with either Nick (boo!!!) or Meisner (yay!!!!)

    Why the hell there are so many Wesen in Portland and/or Wesen Street Gang Warfare

    Whatever "political intrigue" will involve Renard

    Rosalee dealing with her past addiction

 

It seems like too much, and I'm only interested in the last three, plus Trubel.  If they put the other nonsense with Adalind/baby/Nick in very small doses, the rest could work nicely.  The Wesen warfare is what really intrigues me, it is what the show is about.  Rosalee is a strong, relevant character and I like the actress.  Renard needs something to do in that takes him off the phone.  I'm pretty pumped. 

 

On an unrelated note, it seems like Portland had a very hot summer, I wonder if that will be reflected in the episodes at all?  Or will they still be wearing their boots and sweaters and plaid shirts?

[TVSpectator]

On an unrelated note, it seems like Portland had a very hot summer, I wonder if that will be reflected in the episodes at all?  Or will they still be wearing their boots and sweaters and plaid shirts?

 

I would pretty much bet that they will be wearing some boots, sweaters, jackets, and plaid shirts. IMO, it's the atmosphere of what people think people in Portland wear all the time and it's also part of the show's atmosphere as well, since they are trying to going with spooky fairy tale/supernatural theme (well most of the time when we are done dealing with love triangles, Juliette, and pregnancies) show. If it were on another channel, like USA, they would so do everything set in the summer. 

[OtterMommy]

On an unrelated note, it seems like Portland had a very hot summer, I wonder if that will be reflected in the episodes at all?  Or will they still be wearing their boots and sweaters and plaid shirts?

 

I've seen pictures tweeted by random people who have happened upon filming and it looks like they are still wearing all their boots, sweaters, etc...and the actors all look VERY uncomfortable.  Poor guys...

[Crim]

Read with a barf bag handy or skip page 4 (*).

http://www.screenspy.com/articles/tv/grimm-5-things-to-know-about-the-season-5-premiere/

 

"the funeral scene is taken deliberately out of context. What you’re looking at is the fevered dream/hallucination of Nick Burkhardt, who, while these events are happening, is lying on the floor of his living room, drugged and incapacitated." - The promo monkeys at it again...

 

(*) The horrendous page 4... get ready... starts with this Adalind line: "Don’t hate me anymore, Nick. For our son’s sake, we can’t be like we were." and goes downhill from there. I have no words. I have no hope left for this show. I don't even care if this is a manipulation attempt and revealed as such mid-season because (1) I don't want to watch it until then, and (2) the writers are doing the same shit as before.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Crim

[Free]

Read with a barf bag handy or skip page 4 (*).

http://www.screenspy.com/articles/tv/grimm-5-things-to-know-about-the-season-5-premiere/

 

"the funeral scene is taken deliberately out of context. What you’re looking at is the fevered dream/hallucination of Nick Burkhardt, who, while these events are happening, is lying on the floor of his living room, drugged and incapacitated." - The promo monkeys at it again...

 

(*) The horrendous page 4... get ready... starts with this Adalind line: "Don’t hate me anymore, Nick. For our son’s sake, we can’t be like we were." and goes downhill from there. I have no words. I have no hope left for this show. I don't even care if this is a manipulation attempt and revealed as such mid-season because (1) I don't want to watch it until then, and (2) the writers are doing the same shit as before.

 

Seriously?  Even the dialogue is getting even worse.  XD.

[OtterMommy]

Read with a barf bag handy or skip page 4 (*).

http://www.screenspy.com/articles/tv/grimm-5-things-to-know-about-the-season-5-premiere/

 

"the funeral scene is taken deliberately out of context. What you’re looking at is the fevered dream/hallucination of Nick Burkhardt, who, while these events are happening, is lying on the floor of his living room, drugged and incapacitated." - The promo monkeys at it again...

 

(*) The horrendous page 4... get ready... starts with this Adalind line: "Don’t hate me anymore, Nick. For our son’s sake, we can’t be like we were." and goes downhill from there. I have no words. I have no hope left for this show. I don't even care if this is a manipulation attempt and revealed as such mid-season because (1) I don't want to watch it until then, and (2) the writers are doing the same shit as before.

 

For all that is holy, why can't they just kill Adalind?  Honestly, all the crap in the show comes down to her (well, and Juliette...)  If they just got rid of her (and Juliette, if they haven't actually done that), this show would be so, so, so much better.....

[Darklazr]

For all that is holy, why can't they just kill Adalind?  Honestly, all the crap in the show comes down to her (well, and Juliette...)  If they just got rid of her (and Juliette, if they haven't actually done that), this show would be so, so, so much better.....

With Juliette/BT gone and CC having a baby in real life and the show probably not wanting to be sued for firing a pregnant woman, I can see why the show would want to keep Adalind around at least until they resolve the Diana mess.  All bets are off come May 2016 sweeps when hopefully Adalind/Diana/babyNik will all perish and we can get back to a more meatier show.

It would be rather cool if Hank ended up with a permanent love life, Renard goes back to being a badass going up against the royal families, and Nki gets a backbone and become the Grimm he can be proud of.  Monroe should deal with his PTSD and Rosalie accidentally gets hooked back on drugs when an old flame spikes her tea.  Wu and Rosalie figure out a way to get all of the Grimm books and weapons back.

[Free]

For all that is holy, why can't they just kill Adalind?  Honestly, all the crap in the show comes down to her (well, and Juliette...)  If they just got rid of her (and Juliette, if they haven't actually done that), this show would be so, so, so much better.....

 

Most of the writing problems seems to end up involving them.

[OtterMommy]

With Juliette/BT gone and CC having a baby in real life and the show probably not wanting to be sued for firing a pregnant woman, I can see why the show would want to keep Adalind around at least until they resolve the Diana mess.  All bets are off come May 2016 sweeps when hopefully Adalind/Diana/babyNik will all perish and we can get back to a more meatier show.

 

I had a suspicion that CC would want to move on after this season anyway as her husband landed an incredibly sweet job in MN, but they apparently bought a house in PDX, so....

 

And don't put your money on BT being gone....

[ShadowFacts]

Read with a barf bag handy or skip page 4 (*).

http://www.screenspy.com/articles/tv/grimm-5-things-to-know-about-the-season-5-premiere/

 

"the funeral scene is taken deliberately out of context. What you’re looking at is the fevered dream/hallucination of Nick Burkhardt, who, while these events are happening, is lying on the floor of his living room, drugged and incapacitated." - The promo monkeys at it again...

 

(*) The horrendous page 4... get ready... starts with this Adalind line: "Don’t hate me anymore, Nick. For our son’s sake, we can’t be like we were." and goes downhill from there. I have no words. I have no hope left for this show. I don't even care if this is a manipulation attempt and revealed as such mid-season because (1) I don't want to watch it until then, and (2) the writers are doing the same shit as before.

 

Ugh, that was a bad start to my day.  I don't know if I can watch if the producers have lied and Juliette is not really dead. If the funeral scene is in Nick's unconscious, drugged mind, I am free to infer her body may not be found for awhile (or ever) and I so hate that.  Also gag-worthy is the touching name Adalind suggests for the baby.  What, Mario to honor Aunt Marie who she once tried to kill?  Kelly?  Julian?  Nick, Jr. is too easy.

[OtterMommy]

Ugh, that was a bad start to my day.  I don't know if I can watch if the producers have lied and Juliette is not really dead. If the funeral scene is in Nick's unconscious, drugged mind, I am free to infer her body may not be found for awhile (or ever) and I so hate that.  Also gag-worthy is the touching name Adalind suggests for the baby.  What, Mario to honor Aunt Marie who she once tried to kill?  Kelly?  Julian?  Nick, Jr. is too easy.

 

My guess would be Kelly.  In the last few minutes of season 4, Adalind spontaneously developed some feelings for Nick's Mom, so it would make, well, as much sense as anything makes in this show.

 

But, yeah...the whole thing is pretty much vomit inducing.  I think we just need to accept now that Juliette is not dead.  If her body goes missing, that pretty much tells it all.  They are going to try to make Adalind into a nice, sweet person which, in my view, is just as bad if not worse than what they did to Juliette last season!  If they wanted to make Adalind a viable character--something that they have yet to do in 4 years--they shouldn't just totally change her around...they should capitalize on the few things that are interesting about her.  Claire Coffee can do evil...let Adalind be full out evil.  Let her be an actual villain that we "love to hate" instead of a dumb blonde who plays up every bad stereotype of women that we just flat out hate.  

 

In shows like this, evil is always more interesting than nice anyway....

[spaulding]

This is true.  \While BT is responsible for her acting, she isn't really responsible for the lines she is given.  After re-watching season 4 I have to say that they had a very uneven writing staff.

 

And don't put your money on BT being gone....

 

Tulloch had input on Juliette's evolution.  She gets a little blame for how the lines were derived to make her look badass.  Last season, the writers and Tulloch were insufferable for turning Grimm into The Juliette Show.

 

I thought Tulloch wanted to focus on movies.  She might her hedging her bets to work part-time on Grimm if movie roles don't work out. 

 

I meant the season as a whole is bad.  Grimm can usually do the Wesen of the week storylines, but they struggle with bigger story arcs that usually involve Juliette or Adalind.

 

Exactly, the more serialized Grimm got, the worse it became because the writers struggled to handle the story arcs which got worse and worse.  It meanders for a while and then sputters off.

 

This show should have stuck to the WOTW formula. 

 

The writers have this vision of a dark epic story.  They need to accept their limitations because they pretend that they're writing The Odyssey and then, end up with some bad soap opera.  They hurry and find some ending because they don't want to work past 5PM.  Or they don't even bother to finish storylines like The Coins, The Key, or Nick's Zombie Powers.

 

(*) The horrendous page 4... get ready... starts with this Adalind line: "Don’t hate me anymore, Nick. For our son’s sake, we can’t be like we were." and goes downhill from there. I have no words.

 

Sounds like a soap opera.  This show has been reduced to relationship drama and angst. 

 

Is this show dropping Adalind's first child. so she and Nick can play the Odd Couple?  If Adalind remembers that she had another child, will Renard live with them too?  What happens to Meisner and his abs?  Is Adalind going to date Meisner while Nick dates Juliette's long-lost twin who's also the most powerful hexenbiest to ever walk the planet? 

 

In shows like this, evil is always more interesting than nice anyway....

 

Renard and Adalind were more interesting when they were grey/villains.  I have no idea why this show wants to make everybody into a good guy.

 

I would root for Renard as a villain.

[OtterMommy]

Tulloch had input on Juliette's evolution.  She gets a little blame for how the lines were derived to make her look badass.  Last season, the writers and Tulloch were insufferable for turning Grimm into The Juliette Show.

 

I thought Tulloch wanted to focus on movies.  She might her hedging her bets to work part-time on Grimm if movie roles don't work out. 

 

Well, if she wanted to work on movies, she failed.  She has nothing new in development and, from what I can tell from her social media (which has gone surprisingly quiet in the past 3 or so weeks, before that it was a Grimm stuff...), she hasn't tried for anything other than her Portlandia stint.

 

 

 

Renard and Adalind were more interesting when they were grey/villains.  I have no idea why this show wants to make everybody into a good guy.

I would root for Renard as a villain.

 

I loved season 1 Renard when you could never tell what he was up to.  Roiz did a fabulous job with it--now he just sort of comes and goes and talks on his phone. What a waste of an amazing talent.

[formerlyfreedom]

Topic please, folks. Spoilers, not BT, not CC, and not past seasons. Thanks.

[Free]

Renard and Adalind were more interesting when they were grey/villains.  I have no idea why this show wants to make everybody into a good guy.

I would root for Renard as a villain.

 

They don't have much to do anymore even when they were turned to good guys.  Adalind is just there to have another baby and Renard has nothing better to do but fake die for the umpteenth time and have more boring phone conversations with other dull characters.

Edited October 23, 2015 by Free

[OtterMommy]

http://tvline.com/2015/10/22/once-upon-a-time-the-devil-season-5-spoilers/

 

Monroe's uncle is coming!  And he's bringing a bunch of old books....how convenient....

 

(ep10)

[ShadowFacts]

 

But, yeah...the whole thing is pretty much vomit inducing.  I think we just need to accept now that Juliette is not dead.  If her body goes missing, that pretty much tells it all.  They are going to try to make Adalind into a nice, sweet person which, in my view, is just as bad if not worse than what they did to Juliette last season!  If they wanted to make Adalind a viable character--something that they have yet to do in 4 years--they shouldn't just totally change her around...they should capitalize on the few things that are interesting about her.  Claire Coffee can do evil...let Adalind be full out evil.  Let her be an actual villain that we "love to hate" instead of a dumb blonde who plays up every bad stereotype of women that we just flat out hate.

 

Making Adalind a sympathetic nice person wouldn't work for me because it would seem like it's only happening because she is without magic/hexie power, has a baby, and is in a vulnerable position.  Not because she wanted to change, despised what she had done to Nick in the past, needed to be a different kind of mother than she had.  It would just come off wrong.  She needs to stay a stupid-ish villain-ish side character, but that can't happen when she's ensconced in Nick's life the way the spoilers seem to indicate. 

[OtterMommy]

I started to put this in the past seasons thread, but it is more of speculation (with possibly a little spoiler), so I thought I'd put it here instead.

 

So, last night I was going through our DVR and I found Nameless recorded from whenever it gets shown.  This is probably my favorite episode on the series and I needed something kind of brainless, so I turned it on.  I did forward through most of the Juliette and Renard on the phone scenes.  Actually, I don't think I've really seen those scenes since the first time I saw the episode.

 

About halfway through, when I got busy doing something and put down the remote, I did manage to catch a scene with Renard and Sebastian (who, judging from twitter, may not be as dead as we thought!).  I had remembered this scene happening, but not the actual content of the scene.  Anyway, in this scene Renard and Sebastian are discussing whether or not they should either ally with Meisner (who had yet to actually appear in the show) or sway him to their side.  What was interesting in all this was, way back then, Meisner was a very sketchy character and apparently tied up in other movements that didn't align with Renard and Sebastian's goals.

 

When Meisner showed up at the end of Cry Havoc, it seemed like he was a savior...but what if he's actually the face of another "enemy" of the show?  And he has Diana?  This could be interesting, if there wasn't so much other crap going on in this season, but I'm hoping that at least Meisner will be developed a bit more so that he isn't just Renard's henchman.  We do know that his role will be greatly expanded this season (I'm all for that), so we'll have to see how it goes.

 

And he really needs to sweep Adalind of her feet (and, even better, out of Portland).

 

Oh, and another thought on Adalind.  I think it is pretty obvious at this point that she's moving into Nick's house...but is Nick staying there?  I mean, there were 4 violent death--2 of which were beheadings, 1 was his mother and 1 was his girlfriend (although not beheaded and maybe not even dead)--in that house.  He needs to dump that place and move...somewhere...  Monroe and Rosalee seem to always have "Nick's room" ready to go.  

 

That's probably all wishful thinking on my part, but whatever...

Edited October 24, 2015 by OtterMommy

[Shannon L.]

Hi, everyone.  I'm new to the Grimm threads because I didn't start watching it until my mom insisted that I watch a couple of episodes this summer.  A week or so ago, I finished Season 4.  I'm in agreement with most of you about what they did with Juliette.  They could have made it a much more interesting storyline--one that could have had her be a great asset to the team--but instead went so far into left field that I actually found myself getting angry and, at times, fast forwarding through some of her scenes.  That doesn't happen to me often.  I'm willing to give "nicer" Adalind a shot, but am worried about how far they are going to take the baby storyline with her and Nick.  The writers didn't do anything last season to make me trust them with that kind of storyline.  But, I'm going to keep watching, mostly because I really like the characters and want to see if the writers can turn it back around. 

 

One question, though:  Did I miss anything that had to do with the keys?  Or did they abandoned that story altogether? 

[Crim]

One question, though:  Did I miss anything that had to do with the keys?  Or did they abandoned that story altogether?

Abandoned. Like most promising story arcs. It's like the writers did lists of plot ideas and then forgot if they were ordered best to worst or worst to best. Maybe it's nostalgia or the glow of unrealized potential, but all the new content seems worse to me - except Trubel, not that she was around much or will be from now.

[OtterMommy]

 

Abandoned. Like most promising story arcs. It's like the writers did lists of plot ideas and then forgot if they were ordered best to worst or worst to best. Maybe it's nostalgia or the glow of unrealized potential, but all the new content seems worse to me - except Trubel, not that she was around much or will be from now.

 

 

Oh, I wouldn't be so sure about Trubel.  I have a feeling we'll be seeing quite a bit of her in season 5.  I do hope, if that is the case, they find a way to tie her into the central story more.  So far, I've just been wondering why she's there.  If I were in charge of this show, I'd (well, there is A LOT I would change)...I'd take the easy way out on this one and just reveal that she's Nick's sister.  The math all works out on it (she was born within a year of Kelly's first "death."  All they'd have to say is that Kelly was pregnant when she was supposed to have died in the car crash.  To keep both of her children safe, she knew she'd have to keep them separate so she put the baby in foster care/up for adoption) and it would give Trubel a real reason to stick around in Portland (she and Nick, two people who were lacking in the family department, are now family).  Right now, she sort of wanders in and out and doesn't seem to have any real direction.

[Darklazr]

Trubel becoming Nik's sister is too much like the retcon nonsense on Buffy with that dumb younger sister showing up.  No.  Just, no to Trubel as Nik's sister.  I don't like Trubel, period.  I don't like Juliette.  I find Adalind amusing at times, but only when she's being bad or vindictive because her schemes usually backfire at some point.   For some reason, I have never had any issues with Rosalie and that for me is a tribute to the actress being so likable.  

 

Trubel, Juliette and Adalind could all drop off the face of the planet with Diana and the new baby, and the show could gradually add in new female characters.

[Darklazr]

http://tvline.com/2015/10/22/once-upon-a-time-the-devil-season-5-spoilers/

 

Monroe's uncle is coming!  And he's bringing a bunch of old books....how convenient....

 

(ep10)

 

In other words the writers finally realize how dumb it was to burn down the Grimmbago!  I would turn this around and have Nik visit the trailer to remove the last contents only to find out that Juliette's death was the key to undoing the damage done to the Grimm books and weapons.  The Grimm books and weapons were under the permanent protection of previous Grimms and therefore were reinstated to their previous form.

 

Monroe's uncle can still show up with Grimm books and what looks like a weird key that he found by accident in one of the tombs.  This will kick off the seven key story line and an adventure to the Black Forrest!

Edited October 25, 2015 by Darklazr

[TVSpectator]

Can we finally find out what is Monroe's last name if his uncle is coming to Portland?

[OtterMommy]

Can we finally find out what is Monroe's last name if his uncle is coming to Portland?

 

Monroe is his last name.  Although not on the show (it was either in a cut scene or an earlier draft of a script), it was revealed that his name is Edward/Eddie Monroe.

 

Just realized I should have moved this to the Monroe thread...sorry about that!

Edited October 25, 2015 by OtterMommy

[TVSpectator]

I thought that Monroe was his first name?

[OtterMommy]

I thought that Monroe was his first name?

 

Reply in the Monroe thread....

[ShadowFacts]

From the tvline spoiler:  The NBC series is bringing in Monroe’s uncle, a German man named Felix Dietrich who is described as “bespectacled, bookish [and] slightly off-center.”

 

So Monroe's last name could be Dietrich, or that name could be from his mother's side. 

 

As for Theresa (don't like calling her Trubel), I wouldn't mind very much the normally soapy long lost sister story.  They actually have some physical resemblance and the obvious Grimm-ness.  The only hitch I see is I feel like Kelly would have clued Nick and Theresa in now that they're safely grown up and have Grimm powers.

[TVSpectator]

As for Theresa (don't like calling her Trubel), I wouldn't mind very much the normally soapy long lost sister story.  They actually have some physical resemblance and the obvious Grimm-ness.  The only hitch I see is I feel like Kelly would have clued Nick and Theresa in now that they're safely grown up and have Grimm powers.

 

I don't think that Theresa and Nick are long lost relatives. First, it would be very convenient for Nick and Theresa to meet. It's one thing for them to be Grimms, but it would be even more convoluted for them to long lost brother/sister or long lost cousins. I mean Theresa literally hitchhike into Portland while Nick just happens to live there. Now, I think that the show has established that at some very distant point in the past, all Grimms are related to each other through a common ancestor/common Grimm. I think that would make a lot more sense than running into some kind of long lost relative that you just happen to meet during an investigation. Anyway like you have said, Kelly would've said something if they were brother/sister (IMO, it would be a totally dick move for her not to tell them if she knew about it). 

Edited October 25, 2015 by TVSpectator

[OtterMommy]

I don't think that Theresa and Nick are long lost relatives. First, it would be very convenient for Nick and Theresa to meet. It's one thing for them to be Grimms, but it would be even more convoluted for them to long lost brother/sister or long lost cousins. I mean Theresa literally hitchhike into Portland while Nick just happens to live there. Now, I think that the show has established that at some very distant point in the past, all Grimms are related to each other through a common ancestor/common Grimm. I think that would make a lot more sense than running into some kind of long lost relative that you just happen to meet during an investigation. Anyway like you have said, Kelly would've said something if they were brother/sister (IMO, it would be a totally dick move for her not to tell them if she knew about it). 

 

Replying in the Trubel thread....

[Starchild]

Hi all, just popped in to ask if there's any word on whether Juliette is coming back, or is she really dead? I really didn't like her clumsy character assassination last season, presumably to set up a new dynamic between Nick and his baby mama, and I figured if that wasn't a fake out, if she was really gone, then I probably will stop watching. Anyone heard anything?

[OtterMommy]

Hi all, just popped in to ask if there's any word on whether Juliette is coming back, or is she really dead? I really didn't like her clumsy character assassination last season, presumably to set up a new dynamic between Nick and his baby mama, and I figured if that wasn't a fake out, if she was really gone, then I probably will stop watching. Anyone heard anything?

 

The EP's say she's dead, but there are some pretty convincing signs that she is either not dead or that Bitsie Tulloch will come back in some other incarnation.  Over on reddit, there is someone who claims to know something, but offers nothing to back it up, so we'll have to wait and see.

[Shanna Marie]

 

Monroe's uncle is coming!  And he's bringing a bunch of old books....how convenient....

    

    (ep10)

 

In other words the writers finally realize how dumb it was to burn down the Grimmbago!

This could actually make for an interesting switch because Monroe's uncle's books might be more likely to be from the perspective of Wesen than Grimms. Probably a lot less "and then I cut off its head." Will this result in different tactics?

[OtterMommy]

This could actually make for an interesting switch because Monroe's uncle's books might be more likely to be from the perspective of Wesen than Grimms. Probably a lot less "and then I cut off its head." Will this result in different tactics?

 

This is true.  Plus, they will probably be all in German, which means that Nick will need to rely on Monroe again (except, of course, for those times when everyone seems to be able to read German with no problem....like the end of season 4).

 

It is interesting, though, because in the last season, the only person really using the books was Wu.  Whenever Nick needed information, he was much more apt to just go to Monroe and Rosalee to ask.  I really missed them always going to the books, so these new books might be a nice development.

[ShadowFacts]

The spoiler does say the books are about Grimms, the uncle comes across them, and is followed by people willing to kill for them.  So I'm inferring they are a little different than how-to-kill-a-Wesen manuals, but there could be lots of overlap.  Probably ties into the Wesen uprising or whatever it is that's coming up.

[OtterMommy]

http://tvline.com/gallery/spoilers-november-sweeps-2015/#!6/grimm-season5/

 

 

Two points:

1 - Nick's suspension from the police force is over no later than episode 4 (speculation:  Hank's "new partner" is a Wesen casualty and they have no choice by to bring Nick back).

2 - Surprise visitor in ep4 (don't think it will be Juliette...that should happen a little later....), but they are still pushing the crap Nick/Adalind story line.  Blech....

[TVSpectator]

http://tvline.com/gallery/spoilers-november-sweeps-2015/#!6/grimm-season5/

 

 

Two points:

1 - Nick's suspension from the police force is over no later than episode 4 (speculation:  Hank's "new partner" is a Wesen casualty and they have no choice by to bring Nick back).

2 - Surprise visitor in ep4 (don't think it will be Juliette...that should happen a little later....), but they are still pushing the crap Nick/Adalind story line.  Blech....

Wait, Nick was suspended, why? For what or is this part of the Season 5 spoilers?

[OtterMommy]

Wait, Nick was suspended, why? For what or is this part of the Season 5 spoilers?

 

It is in the promos for ep1.  It's not yet clear if he does something that leads to suspension or Renard, in a moment of sanity, realizes that a guy whose mother and girlfriend died within hours of each other under murky circumstances may need to take a little break from work....

[TVSpectator]

It is in the promos for ep1.  It's not yet clear if he does something that leads to suspension or Renard, in a moment of sanity, realizes that a guy whose mother and girlfriend died within hours of each other under murky circumstances may need to take a little break from work....

 

Well, if it says that he will be suspend then it's definitely not for personal leave. Suspension is used as a form of punishment, but if Renard wants him to take leave then I guess he can force him to take a "leave of absence" due to personal matters.