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2 hours ago, lucindabelle said:

Which movie was it where they had the ridiculous montage of Carrie dressing up in 80s or 90s clothes? Hated. That. So much.

The first one with Walk This Way playing.

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It would have been a fun montage if all the outfits were memorable ones we’ve seen on the show. It went to ridiculous levels when her friends were wearing the clothes, who were nowhere near her size.

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4 hours ago, chitowngirl said:

It would have been a fun montage if all the outfits were memorable ones we’ve seen on the show. It went to ridiculous levels when her friends were wearing the clothes, who were nowhere near her size.

That really would have been more fun.

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On 1/19/2019 at 9:16 AM, Melancholy said:

I really agree with all of this. Absolutely, Cynthia Nixon had much better chemistry with Blair Underwood than David Eigenberg.

It really is funny how everyone sees something different because Robert bored the ever-loving crap out of me and I saw nada between him and Miranda, chemistry wise. The only scene I liked with them was the scene mentioned above post-breakup when Robert finally had a spark to him.

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Certainly Robert was good looking and had a good career, but there really wasn’t much to him, which I’m sure they did on purpose to try to get us to want Miranda back with Steve.  I felt sorry for Debbie, I thought she was super nice.

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On 3/12/2019 at 7:23 AM, ByTor said:

Certainly Robert was good looking and had a good career, but there really wasn’t much to him, which I’m sure they did on purpose to try to get us to want Miranda back with Steve.  I felt sorry for Debbie, I thought she was super nice.

I know we were supposed to find Debbie annoying, loud and tacky but I thought she was adorable. She seemed to give off a lot of fun, positive, happy energy which I think a guy like Steve needs. 

I've been rewatching again lately. It's amusing how an older me sees so much of the show differently than I used to. 

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6 hours ago, LemonSoda said:

I know we were supposed to find Debbie annoying, loud and tacky but I thought she was adorable. She seemed to give off a lot of fun, positive, happy energy which I think a guy like Steve needs. 

I've been rewatching again lately. It's amusing how an older me sees so much of the show differently than I used to. 

I liked her too and thought she and Steve were a great couple.

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6 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

I liked her too and thought she and Steve were a great couple.

Debbie and Steve made a far better couple than Miranda and Steve. 

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26 minutes ago, izabella said:

Debbie and Steve made a far better couple than Miranda and Steve. 

I agree. Miranda seemed annoyed by Steve more often then times when she seemed to like him.

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5 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

I agree. Miranda seemed annoyed by Steve more often then times when she seemed to like him.

Even when Debbie was going on about the nose bleed game seats they were in there was a funny playfulness about it. Steve was embarrassed but she wasn't purposely putting him down or humiliating him. Miranda always seemed annoyed by him. 

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Yeah, Miranda had way more good vibes for her friends than Steve. He might’ve grown to resent her a little bit.

I just saw the second movie yesterday and I have a question. Well, several. For one, Charlotte said her youngest daughter Rose cried all the time. Rose was two, almost three. I don’t know much about babies but is that, uh, normal? Like, babies can be fussy and cry a lot for various reasons. But I thought by two they’re kind of coming out of that. Like, if a two year old is crying all the time doesn’t that mean something might be wrong. I don’t mean emotionally, but physically? 

And also, can someone explain why it was such a big deal that Big suggested two nights off? I get why it wouldn’t work for every couple, but it seemed to me Bug was just being pragmatic. Carrie was annoyed by Big wanting to lounge around watching TV, and Carrie needed time to write, so why not give each other two days to do your own thing? Either that, or Carrie stop being so butthurt about the man wanting to chill. 

And third, the whole “Harry might cheat with the nanny” storyline was beyond ridiculous. I’ve already said I’m in the minority who didn’t like Harry — smarmy, bare-assing white furniture, leaving tea bags all over the place, he can eat pork and sleep with Gentiles but when it comes time to marry he had to marry a Jewish woman, wanting to watch the game while having Shabbas dinner that Charlotte labored over — but to top all that off, I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but Charlotte ain’t nobody trying to fuck Harry but you. In fact part of the only reason you got with him is because he doted on you while you were on the rebound. I know the movie made the hot Irish nanny a lesbian, but even if she wasn’t, she wasn’t throwing it at Harry.

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On 4/4/2019 at 9:01 AM, 27bored said:

Yeah, Miranda had way more good vibes for her friends than Steve. He might’ve grown to resent her a little bit.

I just saw the second movie yesterday and I have a question. Well, several. For one, Charlotte said her youngest daughter Rose cried all the time. Rose was two, almost three. I don’t know much about babies but is that, uh, normal? Like, babies can be fussy and cry a lot for various reasons. But I thought by two they’re kind of coming out of that. Like, if a two year old is crying all the time doesn’t that mean something might be wrong. I don’t mean emotionally, but physically? 

And also, can someone explain why it was such a big deal that Big suggested two nights off? I get why it wouldn’t work for every couple, but it seemed to me Bug was just being pragmatic. Carrie was annoyed by Big wanting to lounge around watching TV, and Carrie needed time to write, so why not give each other two days to do your own thing? Either that, or Carrie stop being so butthurt about the man wanting to chill. 

And third, the whole “Harry might cheat with the nanny” storyline was beyond ridiculous. I’ve already said I’m in the minority who didn’t like Harry — smarmy, bare-assing white furniture, leaving tea bags all over the place, he can eat pork and sleep with Gentiles but when it comes time to marry he had to marry a Jewish woman, wanting to watch the game while having Shabbas dinner that Charlotte labored over — but to top all that off, I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but Charlotte ain’t nobody trying to fuck Harry but you. In fact part of the only reason you got with him is because he doted on you while you were on the rebound. I know the movie made the hot Irish nanny a lesbian, but even if she wasn’t, she wasn’t throwing it at Harry.

Some toddlers whine, cling, throw tantrums, cry a lot for attention or due to frustration from not being able to communicate the way they want to. The terrible twos are terrible and can last a while. Each kid is different of course. I think Charlotte was just an overwhelmed Mommy dealing with a toddler that was more difficult than her first child. 

Honestly, I didn't understand that! It seemed like a silly plot line to make Carrie well, more Carrie. I didn't understand what the writers were thinking with either movie actually. 

I liked Harry. But yeah, I get that too! I don't understand why they went there either. I can't explain the movies. Both seemed like very weak, atrocious storylines for the sake of movies. They could've, should've been better. 

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The first movie was so much better than the second, although I still watch them both over and over.  I did think Rose (the toddler) cried A LOT and Charlotte was very overwhelmed.

(And really, who bakes cupcakes in a vintage white pencil skirt?!)

In the cases of both Carrie and Charlotte, they were initially ok with their situations (Carrie and Big spending time at the old apartment, and Charlotte with the hot nanny) until they got together with the girls, expressed their opinions.  Seeds of doubt were planted.  I can see how someone who is somewhat insecure would feel the way they did.

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On 4/4/2019 at 8:01 AM, 27bored said:

And third, the whole “Harry might cheat with the nanny” storyline was beyond ridiculous. I’ve already said I’m in the minority who didn’t like Harry — smarmy, bare-assing white furniture, leaving tea bags all over the place, he can eat pork and sleep with Gentiles but when it comes time to marry he had to marry a Jewish woman, wanting to watch the game while having Shabbas dinner that Charlotte labored over — but to top all that off, I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but Charlotte ain’t nobody trying to fuck Harry but you. In fact part of the only reason you got with him is because he doted on you while you were on the rebound. I know the movie made the hot Irish nanny a lesbian, but even if she wasn’t, she wasn’t throwing it at Harry.

I liked Harry a lot. And wouldn't someone who maybe didn't have a lot of money (especially in NYC) might want to latch on to a rich man? If there is a boatload of money, looks aren't quite as important. 

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On 4/5/2019 at 4:09 PM, LemonSoda said:

Some toddlers whine, cling, throw tantrums, cry a lot for attention or due to frustration from not being able to communicate the way they want to. The terrible twos are terrible and can last a while. Each kid is different of course. I think Charlotte was just an overwhelmed Mommy dealing with a toddler that was more difficult than her first child. 

I see. Even Charlotte being overwhelmed and needing a break — while living in a huge Park Avenue apartment she didn’t have to pay for, not working, and having a nanny — struck me as pat. I don’t know. It just seems like Rose was whooping her ass and not the other way around and that bothered me. They weren’t that stressed out. They had time to go to Connecticut for Stanford and Anthony’s wedding, so I mean...I don’t know. 

On 4/12/2019 at 4:39 PM, libgirl2 said:

I liked Harry a lot. And wouldn't someone who maybe didn't have a lot of money (especially in NYC) might want to latch on to a rich man? If there is a boatload of money, looks aren't quite as important. 

Yeah, possibly. But even that’s assuming a lot in Harry’s case. There are plenty of well to do lawyers in NYC. The hot nanny had options if that’s what she was going after. And it’s not even just the attraction level; Harry seemed old enough to be her dad. It just wasn’t happening.

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On 4/17/2019 at 8:11 AM, 27bored said:

Yeah, possibly. But even that’s assuming a lot in Harry’s case. There are plenty of well to do lawyers in NYC. The hot nanny had options if that’s what she was going after. And it’s not even just the attraction level; Harry seemed old enough to be her dad. It just wasn’t happening.

People tend to overlook A LOT for money. Look at Mick Jagger: He just had freaking heart surgery and yet his latest gielfriend is pregnant or just had a baby. The guy is 77 with tons of other kids!

And look at the woman who married and had kids with 77-year-old Tony Randall before he dropped dead.

Looks and age tend to take a backseat when $$$$$$$$$$$ is in play.

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On 4/17/2019 at 8:11 AM, 27bored said:

I see. Even Charlotte being overwhelmed and needing a break — while living in a huge Park Avenue apartment she didn’t have to pay for, not working, and having a nanny — struck me as pat. I don’t know. It just seems like Rose was whooping her ass and not the other way around and that bothered me. They weren’t that stressed out. They had time to go to Connecticut for Stanford and Anthony’s wedding, so I mean...I don’t know. 

I agree on that. I've never understood how or why those with so much help get overwhelmed. I understood Miranda being frazzled from her work even with Magda's help but Charlotte? I think it's just her high strung, princess personality.

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On ‎4‎/‎12‎/‎2019 at 2:39 PM, libgirl2 said:

I liked Harry a lot. And wouldn't someone who maybe didn't have a lot of money (especially in NYC) might want to latch on to a rich man? If there is a boatload of money, looks aren't quite as important. 

I liked Harry a lot too. He seemed really nice. I didn't like him was sitting on furniture naked. That's just weird and gross. Throw some underwear or shorts. The other thing which I do hold against him was his behavior during Charlotte's first Shabbats (sp?) dinner. It was her very first one and she was working so hard. He blew it off and kept trying to watch a game or something on TV. The show seemed to act like it was Charlotte's fault. When no it was Harry's. He ends up saying something when she gets mad and tells him she gave up Jesus for him like it was too much pressure to have his girlfriend give up her own faith for him. Which could have been interesting and would be a lot to handle and kind of stressful. What if after all her hard work you break up? But they never give us any signs that Harry feels that way or anything but very supportive. Until suddenly its the first Shabbat dinner and he's more interested in the game or something. The rest of the time I like him. He loves Charlotte and does the perfect picture and things to make her happy. Which is why I have hard time buying that he would ever cheat on Charlotte. He loves her so much I can't see him ever cheating on her. Charlotte was worrying over nothing. Then again I still think its wildly out of character for Steve to have cheated on Miranda. Feeling neglected sure, Miranda putting work ahead of her family sure. But cheating? Nope. Not Steve.

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6 minutes ago, LemonSoda said:

I agree on that. I've never understood how or why those with so much help get overwhelmed. I understood Miranda being frazzled from her work even with Magda's help but Charlotte? I think it's just her high strung, princess personality.

That part I don't really understand either. I understand from Miranda since she works a lot of hours because of her job, Steve's hours at the bar, has an aging mother-in-law with issues. It makes more sense. For her to need help and feel frazzled. She has a lot on her plate. But Charlotte? Charlotte doesn't have a job! She's not the main breadwinner in her family, she doesn't have to work so she doesn't, she has all the time in the world to always meet up with her friends and do what she wants, and has help. But she's stressed. From what? I agree I think its just her personality. But also her need or what for things to be perfect, or the perfect scenes. Like the outfit she wore to bake with her daughters. Who wears a white dress to bake with little kids? Well, Charlotte does because she wants the perfect scene. Then gets upset when something gets on it. Wow, who would have though that would happen when your baking little kids? Its really hard to be sympathetic to Charlotte when she doesn't really seem to have any problems.

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34 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

I liked Harry a lot too. He seemed really nice. I didn't like him was sitting on furniture naked. That's just weird and gross. Throw some underwear or shorts. The other thing which I do hold against him was his behavior during Charlotte's first Shabbats (sp?) dinner. It was her very first one and she was working so hard. He blew it off and kept trying to watch a game or something on TV. The show seemed to act like it was Charlotte's fault. When no it was Harry's. He ends up saying something when she gets mad and tells him she gave up Jesus for him like it was too much pressure to have his girlfriend give up her own faith for him. Which could have been interesting and would be a lot to handle and kind of stressful. What if after all her hard work you break up? But they never give us any signs that Harry feels that way or anything but very supportive. Until suddenly its the first Shabbat dinner and he's more interested in the game or something. The rest of the time I like him. He loves Charlotte and does the perfect picture and things to make her happy. Which is why I have hard time buying that he would ever cheat on Charlotte. He loves her so much I can't see him ever cheating on her. Charlotte was worrying over nothing. Then again I still think its wildly out of character for Steve to have cheated on Miranda. Feeling neglected sure, Miranda putting work ahead of her family sure. But cheating? Nope. Not Steve.

Unfortunately this is something SATC did with male characters that I only fully noticed after my first series rewatch a few years ago. I understand the need for plots, conflicts. But I don't know why the writers did some of the things they did with male characters that the more time passes it seems very sloppy. I can't see Harry doing something like that after all the pressure to get her to convert. The hairy back and embarrassing to Charlotte jokes in the Hamptons? Yes. But not watching baseball after she went through all of that for him. 

Of course the Steve we first met was intelligent then turned in to a whiny, cartoon watching idiot. Big for all his money, power and charisma was acting like a tween obsessed with Carrie and hanging out in cheap hotels? Someone that wealthy would've bought a hideaway apartment or something and wouldn't care that a divorce would cost him a lot. Also maybe it's my age now but when I watch the show now I sometimes question Carrie's qualities, redeeming qualities, why the other women are so loyal to her and of course what makes all the men over the years so crazy for her. 

I don't know how to double quote posts but as for the baking outfit that was Charlotte being Charlotte. So much of her was image. Which I found sad and would've liked to see her break out of. It seemed that way when she fell in love with Harry and honestly I liked that storyline because in my own life the ones I've truly fallen in love with who were great to me weren't my "type". I thought life with Harry would get her away from putting so much in to that perfect image. I think the movies were poorly written. I was hoping they would continue to show the emotional growth and continued maturity of the characters. When I saw what Charlotte was wearing to bake all I could think about was the early episode about the baby shower with her perfect life, future husband, baby name lost in a box. Seeing the baking scene, where she ended up made me sad because I wanted a different path for her. 

Obviously I put too much thought and concern in to these fictional characters. But I did want more for each of them. 

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37 minutes ago, LemonSoda said:

Unfortunately this is something SATC did with male characters that I only fully noticed after my first series rewatch a few years ago. I understand the need for plots, conflicts. But I don't know why the writers did some of the things they did with male characters that the more time passes it seems very sloppy. I can't see Harry doing something like that after all the pressure to get her to convert. The hairy back and embarrassing to Charlotte jokes in the Hamptons? Yes. But not watching baseball after she went through all of that for him. 

Of course the Steve we first met was intelligent then turned in to a whiny, cartoon watching idiot. Big for all his money, power and charisma was acting like a tween obsessed with Carrie and hanging out in cheap hotels? Someone that wealthy would've bought a hideaway apartment or something and wouldn't care that a divorce would cost him a lot. Also maybe it's my age now but when I watch the show now I sometimes question Carrie's qualities, redeeming qualities, why the other women are so loyal to her and of course what makes all the men over the years so crazy for her. 

That's something I didn't notice when I watched as teen that I noticed when I rewatch the show as adult. There's a lot of sloppy writing. Why did they dumb down Steve? It was unnecessary. He was interesting when he was a bartender but read literature. They had enough differences between Miranda and Steve given their different careers. I liked the idea of Miranda falling for a blue collar worker. But they turned him into man child any time they wanted Miranda to break up with him. Its very jarring when in one episode their happy and Miranda's even happy to do his laundry and in the very next one he's driving her crazy and acting like a child. I can't see Harry doing that after all Charlotte went through either.

Carrie's really the hardest one to watch. In the beginning she was interesting. She had an interesting job, went to clubs and stuff. But she became obsessed with Big and did crazy things. Like stalking his mom and ex-wife. Those are crazy things to do. But they are never treated that way. Same with her need to push Big to commit and tell her she's the one when they haven't been dating that long. As the series goes on she gets worse treats everyone like crap. Its really hard to understand why Big keeps coming back to her. Its hard to understand why she still has friends. She's treated each one like crap and done things that most people would end a friendship over. But that never happens. For some reason  Miranda, Charlotte and Samantha will always drop everything to run to Carrie to help her no matter how small her problem is. They never get tired of how she'd treated them or constantly turning the conversation back to her. Same with guys how does she still keep finding guys willing to date her? Wouldn't they have heard about her at some point and stay away from her? 

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I don't know how to double quote posts but as for the baking outfit that was Charlotte being Charlotte. So much of her was image. Which I found sad and would've liked to see her break out of. It seemed that way when she fell in love with Harry and honestly I liked that storyline because in my own life the ones I've truly fallen in love with who were great to me weren't my "type". I thought life with Harry would get her away from putting so much in to that perfect image. I think the movies were poorly written. I was hoping they would continue to show the emotional growth and continued maturity of the characters. When I saw what Charlotte was wearing to bake all I could think about was the early episode about the baby shower with her perfect life, future husband, baby name lost in a box. Seeing the baking scene, where she ended up made me sad because I wanted a different path for her. 

I would have liked to see her break out of that too. I really thought we were going to get that with Harry. She tried hard to have the perfect life with Trey and it didn't work. With Harry it seemed like she was changing from that. Not putting so much stock in perfection. Because she grew, learned from her mistakes and had a great life. A husband who loved her, a beautiful apartment and two adorable daughters. But so much of her growth disappeared from the movies. Then again so did Samantha's and Miranda's.

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Obviously I put too much thought and concern in to these fictional characters. But I did want more for each of them. 

So do I. For these characters and so many others. 

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14 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

People tend to overlook A LOT for money. Look at Mick Jagger: He just had freaking heart surgery and yet his latest gielfriend is pregnant or just had a baby. The guy is 77 with tons of other kids!

And look at the woman who married and had kids with 77-year-old Tony Randall before he dropped dead.

Looks and age tend to take a backseat when $$$$$$$$$$$ is in play.

Yeeeah, I hear you, but I'm still not rolling with the hot nanny and Harry boinking. In those examples there's a ton of money and also fame, so there's that "this guy could have a million women but he chose me" thing. Harry was a well-to-do, middle-aged attorney, with an attractive wife and two kids. And, on his face, not particularly charming. He obviously won Charlotte over while she was on the rebound, but I just couldn't see that happening. Obviously it could in a literal sense, but it wasn't such a possibility that Charlotte had to ruin her free luxury trip to Dubai by worrying about it because she was away.

10 hours ago, LemonSoda said:

Unfortunately this is something SATC did with male characters that I only fully noticed after my first series rewatch a few years ago. I understand the need for plots, conflicts. But I don't know why the writers did some of the things they did with male characters that the more time passes it seems very sloppy. I can't see Harry doing something like that after all the pressure to get her to convert. The hairy back and embarrassing to Charlotte jokes in the Hamptons? Yes. But not watching baseball after she went through all of that for him. 

Of course the Steve we first met was intelligent then turned in to a whiny, cartoon watching idiot. Big for all his money, power and charisma was acting like a tween obsessed with Carrie and hanging out in cheap hotels? Someone that wealthy would've bought a hideaway apartment or something and wouldn't care that a divorce would cost him a lot. Also maybe it's my age now but when I watch the show now I sometimes question Carrie's qualities, redeeming qualities, why the other women are so loyal to her and of course what makes all the men over the years so crazy for her.

9 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

That's something I didn't notice when I watched as teen that I noticed when I rewatch the show as adult. There's a lot of sloppy writing. Why did they dumb down Steve? It was unnecessary. He was interesting when he was a bartender but read literature. They had enough differences between Miranda and Steve given their different careers. I liked the idea of Miranda falling for a blue collar worker. But they turned him into man child any time they wanted Miranda to break up with him. Its very jarring when in one episode their happy and Miranda's even happy to do his laundry and in the very next one he's driving her crazy and acting like a child. I can't see Harry doing that after all Charlotte went through either.

Carrie's really the hardest one to watch. In the beginning she was interesting. She had an interesting job, went to clubs and stuff. But she became obsessed with Big and did crazy things. Like stalking his mom and ex-wife. Those are crazy things to do. But they are never treated that way. Same with her need to push Big to commit and tell her she's the one when they haven't been dating that long. As the series goes on she gets worse treats everyone like crap. Its really hard to understand why Big keeps coming back to her. Its hard to understand why she still has friends. She's treated each one like crap and done things that most people would end a friendship over. But that never happens. For some reason  Miranda, Charlotte and Samantha will always drop everything to run to Carrie to help her no matter how small her problem is. They never get tired of how she'd treated them or constantly turning the conversation back to her. Same with guys how does she still keep finding guys willing to date her? Wouldn't they have heard about her at some point and stay away from her? 

I would have liked to see her break out of that too. I really thought we were going to get that with Harry. She tried hard to have the perfect life with Trey and it didn't work. With Harry it seemed like she was changing from that. Not putting so much stock in perfection. Because she grew, learned from her mistakes and had a great life. A husband who loved her, a beautiful apartment and two adorable daughters. But so much of her growth disappeared from the movies. Then again so did Samantha's and Miranda's.

So do I. For these characters and so many others. 

Kudos to both of you. I said something similar on the old TWoP boards and I've definitely said it about Girls: these female-centric shows love to make male characters do things either a guy wouldn't do (...I know, but I'm just saying) or that guy wouldn't do based on his character thus far, just to make a point about the female character.

I don't see Aiden just breaking up with Carrie because she wouldn't marry him on the spur of the moment, even after he's bought her apartment and the one next door to make a home for them. I don't see Aleks inviting Carrie to Paris and then ignoring her for her two weeks while they install his stupid ass light installation. I don't see Big jilting Carrie, telling her, and then changing his mind thirty seconds later. It was just a lot of "let's make these characters do dumb shit just because".

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15 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

I would have liked to see her break out of that too. I really thought we were going to get that with Harry. She tried hard to have the perfect life with Trey and it didn't work. With Harry it seemed like she was changing from that. Not putting so much stock in perfection. Because she grew, learned from her mistakes and had a great life. A husband who loved her, a beautiful apartment and two adorable daughters. But so much of her growth disappeared from the movies. Then again so did Samantha's and Miranda's.

So do I. For these characters and so many others. 

I liked intellectual Steve who was willing to challenge Miranda and call her out on her BS. When they removed the interviews, put more focus on Carrie and Carrie's crazy it became an entirely different show. S1 Carrie had a lot of potential. It killed me watching The Carrie Diaries where teenage Carrie was more mature than thirty something Carrie. I know it's a broken record but the Charlotte handing her ring over to save Carrie really annoys me more now because I've been there. 

There were some subtle changes in Charlotte with Harry in her life. One of my favourite outfits ever is when Charlotte was in the grocery store looking at the fish. She's in Levi's, a Ralph Lauren tweed jacket and carrying a LV bag. But it's a quirky bag. It was a cherry blossom bag. Charlotte carrying a very trendy bag with cherry blossom cartoon characters on it? This showed she was willing to take new chances and risks. It was very subtle but it worked! Even the RL corsets she wore around that time were very UnCharlotte. 

I hate that they took away Samantha and Miranda's growth. 

5 hours ago, 27bored said:

Yeeeah, I hear you, but I'm still not rolling with the hot nanny and Harry boinking. In those examples there's a ton of money and also fame, so there's that "this guy could have a million women but he chose me" thing. Harry was a well-to-do, middle-aged attorney, with an attractive wife and two kids. And, on his face, not particularly charming. He obviously won Charlotte over while she was on the rebound, but I just couldn't see that happening. Obviously it could in a literal sense, but it wasn't such a possibility that Charlotte had to ruin her free luxury trip to Dubai by worrying about it because she was away.

Kudos to both of you. I said something similar on the old TWoP boards and I've definitely said it about Girls: these female-centric shows love to make male characters do things either a guy wouldn't do (...I know, but I'm just saying) or that guy wouldn't do based on his character thus far, just to make a point about the female character.

 I don't see Aiden just breaking up with Carrie because she wouldn't marry him on the spur of the moment, even after he's bought her apartment and the one next door to make a home for them. I don't see Aleks inviting Carrie to Paris and then ignoring her for her two weeks while they install his stupid ass light installation. I don't see Big jilting Carrie, telling her, and then changing his mind thirty seconds later. It was just a lot of "let's make these characters do dumb shit just because".

Yes! You could tell Harry was very devoted to her and wouldn't even go there. It was a very weird plot to me. Big or even Steve with a nanny? But Harry? No way. 

Ah, I'm very grateful for this place but I miss TWoP and all the conversations there. Girls? Ugh that's another show I could rant about for hours. I don't understand the need for female centric shows to dumb down men or change their entire personalities for the sake of a storyline or to show how awesome someone is. 

I'm with you. I can't see Aiden doing that. I could kind of see Aleks in Paris not devoting every moment of his day to shower affection on Carrie because he's in to his work only because there was a short storyline about it in New York. But there's so much they could've done with Carrie in Paris that didn't involve shopping or being sad. I remember around that time the girl in Paris books started coming out. A lot of them said the same thing, that it was hard for them to make female friends and when they did it was usually with a fellow expat. There was so much they could've done with Carrie in Paris but didn't. 

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4 minutes ago, LemonSoda said:

I liked intellectual Steve who was willing to challenge Miranda and call her out on her BS. When they removed the interviews, put more focus on Carrie and Carrie's crazy it became an entirely different show. S1 Carrie had a lot of potential. It killed me watching The Carrie Diaries where teenage Carrie was more mature than thirty something Carrie. I know it's a broken record but the Charlotte handing her ring over to save Carrie really annoys me more now because I've been there. 

There were some subtle changes in Charlotte with Harry in her life. One of my favourite outfits ever is when Charlotte was in the grocery store looking at the fish. She's in Levi's, a Ralph Lauren tweed jacket and carrying a LV bag. But it's a quirky bag. It was a cherry blossom bag. Charlotte carrying a very trendy bag with cherry blossom cartoon characters on it? This showed she was willing to take new chances and risks. It was very subtle but it worked! Even the RL corsets she wore around that time were very UnCharlotte. 

I hate that they took away Samantha and Miranda's growth. 

Yes! You could tell Harry was very devoted to her and wouldn't even go there. It was a very weird plot to me. Big or even Steve with a nanny? But Harry? No way. 

Ah, I'm very grateful for this place but I miss TWoP and all the conversations there. Girls? Ugh that's another show I could rant about for hours. I don't understand the need for female centric shows to dumb down men or change their entire personalities for the sake of a storyline or to show how awesome someone is.  

I liked Steve challenging Miranda too. It was really interesting to watch. Miranda was interested. She'd never really been challenged by any man. This time it was a bartender. 

I hate that they took away their growth. Samantha's and Charlotte's too. They had come so far. I wanted to see what happened next, what came next. Instead it just disappeared.

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I'm with you. I can't see Aiden doing that. I could kind of see Aleks in Paris not devoting every moment of his day to shower affection on Carrie because he's in to his work only because there was a short storyline about it in New York. But there's so much they could've done with Carrie in Paris that didn't involve shopping or being sad. I remember around that time the girl in Paris books started coming out. A lot of them said the same thing, that it was hard for them to make female friends and when they did it was usually with a fellow expat. There was so much they could've done with Carrie in Paris but didn't.

I can see Alek too for that reason too. He was working. And he told Carrie that he would be working and be busy. But Carrie didn't want to hear it or care. Its possible she underestimated how busy he would be. But I lean towards she didn't want to hear or care. She assumed she was getting the romantic Paris. Moving to Paris to live with her boyfriend/lover and he'd show her around Paris, take her to all the best clubs and dote on her, what she got was the reality of moving to another country with someone she didn't really know to well or loved, who worked and had to work a lot of hours leaving her alone with nothing to do and doesn't know anyone. There was a lot Carrie could have done. But she chose not to. Which seems in character. She's used to being catered too, having friends drop everything to spend time with her, go to clubs and lunch and stuff. She would have to get up and get out and making friends. She doesn't really do that because she's used to being cater too and still expecting the fantasy she has in her head.

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1 hour ago, andromeda331 said:

I liked Steve challenging Miranda too. It was really interesting to watch. Miranda was interested. She'd never really been challenged by any man. This time it was a bartender. 

I hate that they took away their growth. Samantha's and Charlotte's too. They had come so far. I wanted to see what happened next, what came next. Instead it just disappeared.

I can see Alek too for that reason too. He was working. And he told Carrie that he would be working and be busy. But Carrie didn't want to hear it or care. Its possible she underestimated how busy he would be. But I lean towards she didn't want to hear or care. She assumed she was getting the romantic Paris. Moving to Paris to live with her boyfriend/lover and he'd show her around Paris, take her to all the best clubs and dote on her, what she got was the reality of moving to another country with someone she didn't really know to well or loved, who worked and had to work a lot of hours leaving her alone with nothing to do and doesn't know anyone. There was a lot Carrie could have done. But she chose not to. Which seems in character. She's used to being catered too, having friends drop everything to spend time with her, go to clubs and lunch and stuff. She would have to get up and get out and making friends. She doesn't really do that because she's used to being cater too and still expecting the fantasy she has in her head.

Even Samantha. I'm a huge Kim fan which I know isn't popular in the SATC world but I completely understood when she said she was fighting for her character, good content. I hate the way her growth was taken away too. All of that to leave Smith for a simple temptation? Ugh! They could've went the opposite way. What usually kills most age gap relationships? The desire for a family. What if Smith had wanted to be a Father? Could you see Samantha tackling motherhood? The adoption process? That or the struggle of should we become parents would've been very interesting to watch. Especially now that it's more normal to see women choosing motherhood later in life. 

I remember when the last episode first aired wondering if Alek could have done more to introduce Carrie socially so she wouldn't be so bored or lonely which I still don't understand how anyone can ever be bored there but then wondered if anyone there loved him enough to tolerate her. She wanted the full fantasy. Ugh

I think Alek was a waste of Baryshnikov. 

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15 hours ago, LemonSoda said:

Even Samantha. I'm a huge Kim fan which I know isn't popular in the SATC world but I completely understood when she said she was fighting for her character, good content. I hate the way her growth was taken away too. All of that to leave Smith for a simple temptation? Ugh! They could've went the opposite way. What usually kills most age gap relationships? The desire for a family. What if Smith had wanted to be a Father? Could you see Samantha tackling motherhood? The adoption process? That or the struggle of should we become parents would've been very interesting to watch. Especially now that it's more normal to see women choosing motherhood later in life. 

Yes, Samantha had so much growth. I hated that they took that away. Samantha had come so far. She and Smith were a great couple. They went through so much together. If they were going to break them up I can see the age difference being a problem or him wanting kids and her not. I wouldn't even have minded if Samantha realized she was meant to be single or wanted a relationship where they are allowed to see other people. That would have been fine too. But that's not what they showed. They showed a busy Smith and Samantha wanted to bang the neighbor while constantly going back to New York. She got even worse in the second movie. I can see why Kim doesn't want any part of a third movie after seeing what happened to her character in those two movies. 

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I remember when the last episode first aired wondering if Alek could have done more to introduce Carrie socially so she wouldn't be so bored or lonely which I still don't understand how anyone can ever be bored there but then wondered if anyone there loved him enough to tolerate her. She wanted the full fantasy. Ugh

I think Alek was a waste of Baryshnikov. 

It was a waste of Baryshnikov. I wish they had brought him on earlier in the series and for Charlotte since she was interested in his work and she would have loved the romantic dates Carrie hated. Maybe Aleks could have done more to introduce Carrie and maybe he should have or maybe Carrie could have waited until after he was finished to come to Paris. Then he would have been free to show her around Paris and introduce to people. I don't know had anyone could be bored there. I have a long list of stuff I'd love to see if I ever visit Paris and it would probably take a year or more. But would it have worked or lasted? Probably not. Sooner or later something would happen to burst Carrie's fantasy. 

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