Season 18 Live Feed Discussion: Their Lives are Almost as Boring as Ours!

[bbaddict]

2 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

I think Nicole would probably have Natalie, Day, and Bridgette unless she's against James. Michelle probably won't ever vote for Nicole though. Paulie and Z would probably vote for Nicole over James. They would vote for Corey over Nicole though. Or maybe, just maybe, Day could pull Z's head out of Paulie's ass long enough to convince her to vote for Nicole.

I used to think Paul had the win on lock but at this point I think he'd probably have a pretty hard time beating most of these people. He's just lost all his momentum and has basically done nothing now for like 3 weeks. And I don't think he's really better like than any of the rest by most of the jury.

So you really believe Natalie would not for for James if he was in final 2? Or Bridgette?

4 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

I think Nicole would probably have Natalie, Day, and Bridgette unless she's against James. Michelle probably won't ever vote for Nicole though. Paulie and Z would probably vote for Nicole over James. They would vote for Corey over Nicole though. Or maybe, just maybe, Day could pull Z's head out of Paulie's ass long enough to convince her to vote for Nicole.

I used to think Paul had the win on lock but at this point I think he'd probably have a pretty hard time beating most of these people. He's just lost all his momentum and has basically done nothing now for like 3 weeks. And I don't think he's really better liked than any of the rest by most of the jury.

Sorry. I misread your post.

[peachmangosteen]

4 minutes ago, TimWil said:

You really doubt Paul will make a "snake" comment? After he brags night and day about "sh**ing" on people? I realize there's a chance hr won't because he'll be the one remaining in the game but I think you're underestimating his capacity for being a hothead. And what does he have to lose by doing that, anyway? He's toast with those three, no matter how you slice it.

Paul's an idiot, but he still thinks he has a great chance of winning so yea I don't see him saying it. Hell, I don't even see Victor saying it. These people talk a big game about all the shit they're gonna talk in their speeches but besides Michelle they have all backed out when the time came so I don't expect Paul or Victor to be any different.

1 minute ago, bbaddict said:

So you really believe Natalie would not for for James if he was in final 2? Or Bridgette?

I literally said 'unless she's against James.'

Edited September 11, 2016 by peachmangosteen

[bbaddict]

3 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Paul's an idiot, but he still thinks he has a great chance of winning so yea I don't see him saying it. Hell, I don't even see Victor saying it. These people talk a big game about all the shit they're gonna talk in their speeches but besides Michelle they have all backed out when the time came so I don't expect Paul or Victor to be any different.

I literally said 'unless she's against James.'

Apologized earlier for the misread of your post.

[peachmangosteen]

I think in Nicole vs. James the sure votes for James would be Natalie and Michelle. Probably Bridgette, but I'm not 100% sure on her. Nicole would for sure have Corey. And I can't say I have any idea how the rest of them would go. Might actually be an interesting F2 even though they're both horrible.

Honestly I am not sure how most of the jury would vote in any scenario so the ending might at least be interesting in it's unpredictableness. Too bad I'm guaranteed to hate the winner no matter what though.

ETA: Another thing to think about, if Paul won the F4 veto, who would he evict? I'm not entirely sure who he wants in F3.

Edited September 11, 2016 by peachmangosteen

[TimWil]

40 minutes ago, me5671 said:

Re: The female jurors voting for Nicole... I think they will be more likely to vote for her IF she owns her game during her remarks to the jury at the finale.  If, instead, she tries to act innocent and claim she was a "loyal player" or some other such nonsense, then she'll lose no matter who she's up against.

 

I think she's incapable of owning up to her duplicity and thinly veiled desire to send the other female HGs packing. She'll simper to a nauseating degree, instead. It will probably be cringe-making TV, especially since it'll be live. And that's fine with me.

Edited September 11, 2016 by TimWil

[Umbelina]

Nicole leaves the room, and Paul says he's been boning her all season FISH.  Now Z's nip slips and walking around in her underwear.

[Umbelina]

9:17  PM, sounds like Nicole is pushing for Vic to stay.

Production probably told her to discuss it.  For now, Vic is leaving.

Edited September 11, 2016 by Umbelina

[Umbelina]

Remaining Big Brother 18 Schedule

Sunday, September 11 (8 p.m. PT/ET
Tuesday, September 13 (8 p.m. PT/ET)
Wednesday, September 14 (8 p.m. PT/ET)
Friday, September 16 (8 p.m. PT/ET)
Wednesday, September 21 (9:30 p.m. PT/ET)

[Guest]

This is not the place to discuss politics.  Move on please.

[candall]

9 hours ago, TimWil said:

I think she's incapable of owning up to her duplicity and thinly veiled desire to send the other female HGs packing. She'll simper to a nauseating degree, instead. It will probably be cringe-making TV, especially since it'll be live. And that's fine with me.

Yes.  This is someone who can only refer to herself as "pretending" when the whole point she's trying to make is that she's not a convincing liar.

Little chance Nicole will ultimately gain juror respect with a forthright illustration of her gameplay--her capacity for self-appraisal is nil.

*************

[Note:  I don't know what "No politics" refers to.  Was there Trump/Clinton discussion in the last half-dozen pages (which I haven't read) or are we not supposed to discuss who might vote for whom to win BB?  No snark, seriously seeking clarification.]

[bbaddict]

Watching the guys at the table from last night around 8:00 PM till around 9:00 PM. It was actually pretty entertaining. If you haven't seen it check it out. Also, during that time James asked Victor to let Natalie know he is depressed and sad if he was the one leaving. Victor told him he would let her know after he gave James a little crap. That was kind of funny too.

[ByaNose]

Paul did say he wanted everyone to win except James. He said he was a nice guy but he didn't connect to them like Corey, Nicole & Victor. So I guess James isn't getting Pauls vote if James is in the finals. LOL!!

Also, I have never seen a guy pecs move as much as Corey does.  He was in the kitchen with James and mixing food in a bowl. His pecs were going up and down and up and down. I was slightly transfixed. Too funny!

[zibnchy]

11 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

LMAO. I can't wait until Corey drops her at the wrap party.

The other day Corey and James were having a boring conversation about something and Corey started talking about his brother (I think) who didn't have a girlfriend before but he probably does now. Corey was going on about how jealous he would be if he got home and both his brothers (or friends) have girlfriends and he doesn't.

Meanwhile, the woman he has been "cuddling" in front of all of us for 3 months, was just in the other room.

Corey is gonna dump her on his way out the door. "It's been fun, dood." he'll say.

That picture of Nicole really shows off her dead eyes. She's way too young to be so dead inside. Contrast this with pics of Corey. His eyes dance. Maybe that's why I have a hard time disliking him. (Sorry)

Edited September 11, 2016 by zibnchy
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[diana]

7 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

Also, I have never seen a guy pecs move as much as Corey does.  He was in the kitchen with James and mixing food in a bowl. His pecs were going up and down and up and down. I was slightly transfixed. Too funny!

That was kind of weird. Was he doing it on purpose? Anyway, he mentioned meet 'n greets. Do they really have these and do people actually go? Because I literally forget about these people a month later. They talked about this before having some kind of sports themed meet n greets at games throughout the year and whatnot. I guess it's probably just your typical HG grandiose expectations that never come true.

[RedheadZombie]

Thursday's BBAD was interesting.  I continue to be surprised by how ignorant some of the HGs are about the game.  Victor was telling Paul all about finale night and the vote.   Victor only knew because James told him, and Paul was disbelieving of some of it.  The jury members ask questions??

[kathybgd]

I lost all interest since reading Nicole won the Veto so I'm not up on anything, but am curious if they are considering keeping Vic because that MIGHT get a bit more interesting, (not much) but it may keep me tuning in a little.  I just can't anymore with James and Nicole. Both those vets make me sick!

[Zahdii]

1 hour ago, candall said:

[Note:  I don't know what "No politics" refers to.  Was there Trump/Clinton discussion in the last half-dozen pages (which I haven't read) or are we not supposed to discuss who might vote for whom to win BB?  No snark, seriously seeking clarification.]

Yes, some posts about the upcoming presidential election were here.  A couple of them seem to have been hidden or removed entirely, a few others may have been edited to remove the politics while leaving show topics.  

I say this as a person who also sometimes goes off topic, but removing political debate is for the best, as it has the potential to get ugly.

Edited September 11, 2016 by Zahdii
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[peachmangosteen]

If anyone needs a good laugh today:

I'm just completely dumbfounded by this girl. And lol at her accusing Corey of fishing when literally every interaction she has with him (or any man) is her fishing for compliments/attention. Amazing!

[bbaddict]

I am watching the conversation with Paul, Victor, and James at 2:26 AM this morning. Very interesting. For Natalie and James fans like me it is a very hard conversation to listen to but still very interesting.

[Skycatcher]

Quote

Jokers - Nicole says the happiest moment of her life was being in the top 3 for AFP during BB16

OMG - "happiest moment of her life " - ?????  Can it get any more pathetic.  Not winning, mind you, but in the top three!

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Jokers - Sun 6:55 AM - long post starts with.....

James asks Victor and Paul if Natalie really threw him under the bus . But first they talked about the megaphone guy. Paul said that he remembers the savagery Nat dished at James when that megaphone came on. Paul said that he knew James had a final 2 with Nicole or some sh|t, just tossed it at James. She was pissed. James said she was mad and pulled everything out on him that day.

Bolding is mine.  Savagery??????  If such a raw emotion was ever expressed by Natalie, I'd like to have heard or seen it.  IMO It's just a blowhard blowing more smoke up James skirts.

This makes it sound that the James/Nat fighting started with megaphone guy. This is the first I've heard of that link, but if true it makes sense.  The rest of the post continued with James asking more about what Nat said - he's pretty obsessed with whether or not she "threw him under the bus" - and V/P trashing her.

AFP will be interesting.  On the Jokers fan rankings Vic is #1, Bridgette #2, James #3, Paul #4, Natalie #7, Nicole #12, Corey #13.  I lean towards Vic for AFP; Natalie would be OK too.  I'm hoping that Paul, James, Nicole or Corey don't come anywhere near it.

Edited September 11, 2016 by Skycatcher

[TheRealT]

14 hours ago, Umbelina said:

Paul and Vic both know Corey wants to dump Nicole at the wrap party.

Will they use that this week?  They really should.

What I love is how this doesn't bother them at all and they even think it's funny and, obviously, totally understandable, yet Natalie is a fake bitch for "throwing James under the bus" (which P/V know they cooked up or, at minimum, exaggerated greatly). Similarly, has anyone had a conversation like, "Wow, I can't believe all the shit James is talking about Natalie. He obviously is a huge asshole who never really cared about her."? Has Nicole said to Corey, "OMG, if you ever trashed me like that to everyone in the house I would dieeeeeeee."? If so, I haven't seen/read it.

14 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I think she'll probably try to do both and it will epically fail. I still think she'd probably beat James and Corey though. Maybe not Paul. Victor's gone so he's irrelevant.

ETA: I'm less sure of her chances of beating James than Corey though now that I think about it.

Paul 'loves it' that they called Natalie Princess Pep in her comic because she hates being called princess. Why does he have such a stick up his ass about her? All becasue she dared to try to get him out?

Nicole is really, really married to her self-image as a "nice girl" who "never did anything to anyone." Like, I think she really can't handle the thought that that's not true, so her whole life is about being this heinous person and being in denial about how heinous she is. There's no way she would admit any dishonesty or malice to the jury beyond "doing what she had to do" or "doing what someone(s) made her do" (while whining and crying about how "bad" she feels). If she is in F2 with Corey I think she will really want him to beat her because that's how she's wired, like, obviously it's better for your boyfriend to beat you than vice versa. That's why she's "wifey material" to douchebags like Paulie who get mad if their girl beats them in a contest in front of people and give her endless shit about it so that she learns to always let him win in future so she doesn't make him "look bad" (Hey, when your guy looks bad, you look bad too. It's just common sense!). Again, that is how Nicole is wired. So even though Corey really isn't even her boyfriend, I would fully expect her jury speech to be, "Obviously, Corey is the most awesomest guy ever and I totally understand why you're all going to vote for him. Who wouldn't? I'm just sorry I'm not on the jury so I won't have the honor of voting for the handsomest, most amazing BB winner ever!"

Paul's hate-on for Natalie is weird. They actually became really good friends during that week when they had a F4 and they spent hours talking and cracking each other up. He doesn't seem to have ever gotten over her "betrayal," though, and he's really nasty about it. He even went so far as to target her last week when it should have been clear that that wasn't a good game move (it has immediately bitten him in the ass this week). Old Strategic, Best Player in the Game Paul from a few weeks ago would never have done that. I think it's basically that he's a sore loser and that he can't take being bested by someone he considers beneath him, a fricking girl who's not as smart as him.

14 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I used to think Paul had the win on lock but at this point I think he'd probably have a pretty hard time beating most of these people. He's just lost all his momentum and has basically done nothing now for like 3 weeks. And I don't think he's really better liked than any of the rest by most of the jury.

Yeah, it's weird. If you think about it, Nicorey have really been running shit for the past few weeks. It also seems like Paul used to have a better social game. He's probably a happier/nicer guy when he's winning and having to scramble has brought his inner dick back out.

3 hours ago, diana said:

That was kind of weird. Was he doing it on purpose? Anyway, he mentioned meet 'n greets. Do they really have these and do people actually go? Because I literally forget about these people a month later. They talked about this before having some kind of sports themed meet n greets at games throughout the year and whatnot. I guess it's probably just your typical HG grandiose expectations that never come true.

I think "meet and greet" is maybe a little grandiose because, to me, that implies an event where the central purpose is for fans to meet some kind of celebrities and the fans pay or win a contest or something for the privilege. Some BB alums are invited to charity events or bars or whatever so that they can advertise that "BB Star So-and-So," probably among multiple "Reality TV Stars," will be there. The central purpose of the events has nothing to do with them, they are just there to "make it more interesting." I think most of the time they get little or no money for their appearances, but they can get a free trip to wherever the event is and free hotel, etc. for a couple of days or free drinks/food for local events (which they're more likely to book). I think being a notable character or a winner helps with getting those kinds of gigs. There are also RealityPalooza type things where they have events with dozens of reality stars and the small timers (like 95% of BB alums) are invited to basically mingle with the crowd while more famous "stars" are featured in some way.

[Irishsecra]

1 hour ago, bbaddict said:

I am watching the conversation with Paul, Victor, and James at 2:26 AM this morning. Very interesting. For Natalie and James fans like me it is a very hard conversation to listen to but still very interesting.

What was said? I wouldn't be surprised if Paul makes it out to be worse than it was. He really seems to be hell bent on convincing James that Natalie was just using him. I guess he hopes it screws up James game but it just seems downright mean to me. 

Between his Natalie hate and the way he went after Bridget, I just don't like him.

[Skycatcher]

19 minutes ago, Irishsecra said:

Between his Natalie hate and the way he went after Bridget, I just don't like him.

He seems to sink misogyny to new depth of foulness.  While I admired his gamesmanship for a week or two, seeing him in conversation with the F4 group cured me of that.  He was vile, and every other word out of his mouth was "fucked" or "boned", while the other three didn't seem to need words like that at all.  It really showed how weak he is in verbal skills.  He's either swearing, or browbeat and swearing. He's just ignorant and inept. ETA - I think he's pretty fearful, too. That's usually the way with bullies and people who swear too much.  They feel they have to constantly prove themselves - in this case, that he's the biggest, baddest, etc. etc. etc.  Pathetic.

BTW - I don't mind swearing. I do a bit myself, even to the point of using "fuck" in it's many guises.  What totally turns me off is when it's every other word, and completely gratuitous. 

Edited September 11, 2016 by Skycatcher

[mooses]

I definitely could see Nicole beating Paul. Both have good arguments for F2, so it could just come down to personal reasons. Corey/James/Paulie would definitely vote for her, I think, just because they're close. That means Z probably would as well, which means Nicole would only need one more vote. Da'Vonne/Michelle might vote for her because they warned everyone about her and she still managed to make it - plus, Michelle might not vote for the guy who called her a c*** (which is just bad jury management, Paul!). I'm not too sure about Bridgette/Natalie - I could see them being impressed with Paul being an underdog the whole game. And Vic would be voting for Paul for sure.

I know the votes are usually on lock before questions, speeches, etc., but Paul is a really good talker - if he put it all out on the table, including knowing Da'Vonne was going and all that, I could see him arguing himself into a win. That would be the most interesting F2. I think Nicole would take it, but I don't think either would be a wrong decision. This is why Paul should want Nicole gone ASAP, though, and Nicole vice versa.

Nicole beats Corey and James for sure.

Paul beats Corey and James for sure - or he should. It'd be hilarious if Corey won over Paul, though - but I don't see it. He'd have Nicole/Paulie/James/Z. I could only see Michelle giving him the winning vote if she doesn't want the guy who called her a c*** to win (which is fair). 

James/Corey would be so boring. If Corey wins the competition to get himself there, I think he takes it - but James might have the edge at the moment.

Edited September 11, 2016 by mooses

[bbaddict]

1 hour ago, Irishsecra said:

What was said? I wouldn't be surprised if Paul makes it out to be worse than it was. He really seems to be hell bent on convincing James that Natalie was just using him. I guess he hopes it screws up James game but it just seems downright mean to me. 

Between his Natalie hate and the way he went after Bridget, I just don't like him.

I didn't really care what Paul thought but when Victor was telling James what he thought that had a little more weight to the conversation because Victor doesn't have Natalie hate and Victor says exactly what he thinks. I still believe Natalie does care for James and I agree that he cares a lot more for her. I am still optamistic that they could be really good friends and possibly even more. At least that is my hope.

[TheRealT]

1 hour ago, bbaddict said:

I didn't really care what Paul thought but when Victor was telling James what he thought that had a little more weight to the conversation because Victor doesn't have Natalie hate and Victor says exactly what he thinks. I still believe Natalie does care for James and I agree that he cares a lot more for her. I am still optamistic that they could be really good friends and possibly even more. At least that is my hope.

Were they talking about Natalie? What did Victor and Paul say?

[Pixel]

As far as Natalie and James go - I hope they try outside of the house.  I believe she was being real and sincere. I also think that when your options are limited you accept what's available and good enough. Would she still want James if the pool to choose from were bigger? I don't know, but that doesn't mean she used him or didn't mean it at the time. Likewise for him, although to me Nat is the more attractive part of the relationship. Would he choose her if his options were more varied?  If girls start throwing themselves at him? Not continuing the relationship outside the house will not negate what they had together when they had it. Some relationships don't have permanence. That's ok. It doesn't mean any of it wasn't real. 

Edited September 11, 2016 by Pixel

[Marie80]

1 hour ago, bbaddict said:

I didn't really care what Paul thought but when Victor was telling James what he thought that had a little more weight to the conversation because Victor doesn't have Natalie hate and Victor says exactly what he thinks. I still believe Natalie does care for James and I agree that he cares a lot more for her. I am still optamistic that they could be really good friends and possibly even more. At least that is my hope.

He does though. He's STILL talking about her goodbye message.

Joker's:

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12:57AM Vic says out of everyone, he dislikes Nat the most bc of her GB message on his 1st eviction. Paul dislikes Mich the most.

[Umbelina]

11:47 Nicole telling James/Corey how much she loves them and says she would gladly lose 500k to them. She also hopes one of themwin AFP. James mentions not forgetting their deal if they win. Brief fish then Vic interrupts her gushing.

(from sucks)

Edited September 11, 2016 by Umbelina

[TheRealT]

1 minute ago, Marie80 said:

He does though. He's STILL talking about her goodbye message.

Joker's:

Vic's unending, ocean-deep saltiness over Nat's (mildly critical) goodbye message is hilarious on one level and disturbing on another. He was really OUTRAGED that she said something critical about him on TV. I think he fully expected to  be really popular in the house/on TV and was super surprised and bummed that 1) people in the house disliked him, so much so that they voted him out; and 2) Natalie, (again) a fucking girl, had the nerve to "trash" him on TV.

I think that the image Nat had in the house was based largely (to my perception) in how Paulie characterized her as a (trashy) "Jersey girl" from early on. (Personally, I think that a lot of that was rooted in racist/classicist/misogynist notions about poor Latinas, but I won't even get into that.) I feel like a lot of HGs bought into the archetype of the attractive young woman who is slutty, calculating, and heartless and they were subsequently OFFENDED by Nat's attempts to present herself as, essentially, a normal person rather than some "Jersey Girl" harlot. I think with Vic all of that was compounded by his (non)showmance with her before the feeds started. By his account, he acknowledges that they were hanging out/friendly (during a time when Nat admits she was interested in him), but he cut things off because he wasn't that into her and thought it was better to communicate that sooner rather than later. We can speculate on why Vic wasn't that into her or how he acted with her before he shifted gears, but the bottom line is that he was in a quasi-romantic relationship with her, then he cut things off, then she ended up in a showmance with James (maybe with a flirtmance with Corey along the way). I think that, for him, all of that equaled "proof" that there was some truth to the "Jersey Girl" label and that Natalie is not "the kind of girl you take home to Mama" by his standards/the standards of many guys in the house. All of that, combined with how she "trashed him on national TV," created a real distaste for her in him, though he pretended to be cool with her for game reasons and to solidify his TV persona as a great guy about whom she was 100% wrong with her "defamatory" comments. Obviously, he's gotten tons and tons of validation for the idea that Natalie sucks, so I think he feels like he's in that awesome position where everyone else is ragging on someone you hate and you can feel vindicated/proven right.

[bbaddict]

1 hour ago, TheRealT said:

Were they talking about Natalie? What did Victor and Paul say?

Yes.

[bbaddict]

1 hour ago, TheRealT said:

Were they talking about Natalie? What did Victor and Paul say?

Victor and Paul said that basically Natalie was Playing James all season as far as game. Paul was pretty much trashing Natalie saying he saw her for who she was (in his opinion). Victor was like she probably has feelings for you but he feels she was playing him too. If you get live feeds you should really watch that conversation.

1 hour ago, Pixel said:

As far as Natalie and James go - I hope they try outside of the house.  I believe she was being real and sincere. I also think that when your options are limited you accept what's available and good enough. Would she still want James if the pool to choose from were bigger? I don't know, but that doesn't mean she used him or didn't mean it at the time. Likewise for him, although to me Nat is the more attractive part of the relationship. Would he choose her if his options were more varied?  If girls start throwing themselves at him? Not continuing the relationship outside the house will not negate what they had together when they had it. Some relationships don't have permanence. That's ok. It doesn't mean any of it wasn't real. 

Perfectly said.

[bbaddict]

1 hour ago, Marie80 said:

He does though. He's STILL talking about her goodbye message.

Joker's:

Yeah. He did say that but compared to Paul he is really not bitter anymore. Plus, when Victor says something he is pretty straight and honest in his opinions without real bias.

[J.D.]

Okay Wil Heuser may have lost his edge and his parodies aren't as good as they used to be, but I still love the memory wall.

[Umbelina]

I don't really care anymore what Paul and Victor say about Nat.  What bothers me is what JAMES says/said.

[Marie80]

9 minutes ago, J.D. said:

Okay Wil Heuser may have lost his edge and his parodies aren't as good as they used to be, but I still love the memory wall.

Omg, Corey and Nicole's are too accurate. Nicole's nose! I was trying to figure out whether he photoshopped a nose onto his own but then I realized he must have scotch taped his actual nose up to his forehead. LMAO.  Is that Z with the shotgun? Pretty sure I know what that is referring to. Good stuff.

[Skycatcher]

On 9/6/2016 at 11:26 PM, Umbelina said:

Sept. 8 - Natalie out, down to 5
New HOH that night

Filmed on Sept.12th/Airs on the 13th - Taped eviction
5th person evicted (Down to 4)
We see new HOH

Feeds come back(13th) and we will know F4 POV winner

Sept 14th EP - Nominations, POV and live eviction

Down to 3 and PT 1 begins later that night

Thanks for keeping us on track, Umbelina.

[Umbelina]

I kind of posted it so I could find it!  Ha.

[bbaddict]

26 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

I don't really care anymore what Paul and Victor say about Nat.  What bothers me is what JAMES says/said.

He basically said that he would wait to see if she came to him at the wrap party. If she does than they will talk. If she doesn't than I guess it's over. Who knows what he will really do when he sees her though. 

[Umbelina]

Yeah, SHE has to apologize to HIM or he'll dump her?

 

What a tool.  He was disgusting last night talking about his sleazy hook ups with fans too.  Natalie can do SO much better than this troll.

[bbaddict]

2 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Yeah, SHE has to apologize to HIM or he'll dump her?

 

What a tool.  He was disgusting last night talking about his sleazy hook ups with fans too.  Natalie can do SO much better than this troll.

I am not going to judge James on his past or Natalie deserves better. James past is his past. If he chooses to pursue Natalie and she excepts and he fucks it up that is on him. Natalie could do better for sure but she herself says she has been cheated on multiple times so maybe better isn't always better. I don't know. I would just like to see them try. If it doesn't work at least they can say they tried.

[Irishsecra]

50 minutes ago, bbaddict said:

He basically said that he would wait to see if she came to him at the wrap party. If she does than they will talk. If she doesn't than I guess it's over. Who knows what he will really do when he sees her though. 

What's wrong with that? It seems to me he is going to let her set the pace and not crowd her. I did not get the opinion he needed an apology but Dang Paul just keeps twisting the knife. It's got to be hard to have 2 guys you are stuck in a house with constantly telling you that you were played by a girl you care about. I really think he is afraid of being hurt.

Based on what she said on the feeds before she left I would think she would appreciate that. She said she needed time to clear her head in jury.

nicole I think is the only person who hasn't been trashing nat to James since she left. She has actually been understanding. Just another reason fir James to stick with nic. She doesn't go out of her way to make him feel bad.

Edited September 11, 2016 by Irishsecra

[bbaddict]

1 minute ago, Irishsecra said:

What's wrong with that? It seems to me he is going to let her set the pace and not crowd her. I did not get the opinion he needed an apology but Dang Paul just keeps twisting the knife. It's got to be hard to have 2 guys you are stuck in a house with constantly telling you that you were played by a girl you care about. I really think he is afraid of being hurt.

Based on what she said on the feeds before she left I would think she would appreciate that. She said she needed time to clear her head in jury.

I agree with everything here. There is nothing wrong with that. I am just reporting what was said. When she walked out that door she said "Love you James". He said love you to. I know the word love can mean different things to different people but it said to me there is something there. Her interview with Julie and Jeff and his goodbye message said a lot to me. I am a huge Natalie and James fan.

[Irishsecra]

I also think the way Paul and victor have handled James post Natalie speaks volumes. They are constantly trashing nat and making James feel like a fool. Contrast that with nic who has been nothing but supportive of James and his feelings since nat left.

why does Paul think that would make James go to them? Seems to me it would pull him closer to nic.

[bbaddict]

2 minutes ago, Irishsecra said:

I also think the way Paul and victor have handled James post Natalie speaks volumes. They are constantly trashing nat and making James feel like a fool. Contrast that with nic who has been nothing but supportive of James and his feelings since nat left.

why does Paul think that would make James go to them? Seems to me it would pull him closer to nic.

Agree with this too. Difference is Nicole is female. There is no bad meaning to that statement. Just want to make that perfectly clear.

[Umbelina]

Nicole is very careful about her image.  She likes to laugh and silently agree with the trashing of other women, but is careful about her words, MOST of the time.

James didn't say "if Nat comes to me" at the finale, he said if 'SHE COMES AND APOLOGIZES TO ME.'

Big difference.

Edited September 12, 2016 by Umbelina

[Irishsecra]

1 minute ago, Umbelina said:

Nicole is very careful about her image.  She likes to laugh and silently agree with the trashing of other women, but is careful about her words, MOST of the time.

James didn't say "if Nat comes to me" at the finale, he said if 'SHE COMES AND APOLOGIZES TO ME.'

Big difference.

Who did he say that to?

if it was Paul or Vic, I guarantee he didn't mean it. He just told them what they wanted to hear.

now if he said it to nic or the live feeders, that's something else entirely.

[Umbelina]

Vic and Paul.  No excuses in him participating in trashing Natalie AGAIN.  He's done it quite a bit, she never did.  You'd never know it by the sweetheart edit he's getting on the show though.

[TimWil]

Paul and Victor were just going over their eviction speeches again. I maintain that at least one of them will have the balls to call out Nicole. The fact that it won't be on live TV might make all the difference. We'll see.

[NeelyOh]

I saw a clip with Vic and Paul trying to come up with zingers for their speeches. The one I liked best was Paul saying "Corey, you're boring as fuck so I don't have anything to say"