Season 18 Live Feed Discussion: Their Lives are Almost as Boring as Ours!

[Wings]

Stop being paranoid, Paul.  It no longer matters.  So Paulie is mad.  So what?  You cannot please him anymore.  Sure he can put you up but that is always a risk.  And as you just found out sooner than later, you are not his boy!

[Lady Calypso]

James just told Paul that they should go after Paulie/Corey, and then Paul asked why not Nicole, so James added her name. 

This is so on. This season has started to become interesting again. If they get Paulie out, they're all golden. I'm holding out hope that Bridgette, Natalie, or Meech will win DE HOH. They HAVE to. Paul might be good because the power is shifting and he likes to go where there's power. He is good at adapting, which makes him the ultimate floater. James is iffy on if he'll do something, but I think he might this time. 

[Wings]

I loved Paul telling the girls how to act (they asked).  "YOU! (pointing at Michele) stop crying your tits, off"  

Bridget had to sush Michele because she was going to get shit from BB.  I guess she started talk about the DR.   Love that. 

2 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

James is iffy on if he'll do something, but I think he might this time. 

I think he is definitely on board with this.  America gave him that perk for a reason.  That is all the motivation he needs.  He is in. 

Paul loves to be in charge so he is loving this!  He will keep everyone on track.  He is needed in this operation, big time. 

[Lady Calypso]

Damnit. Well, I guess I'm on the Paul train unless he turns back into Paulie's boi. 

See? Things change so quickly in this house! I hated Paul and Michelle and now I'm rooting for them to take charge in the Get Paulie Evicted trainwreck! I think Paul even tried to protect Natalie a little bit by telling her to not tell Zak anything because it's not her responsibility? Maybe not in Paul's mind, but in my mind, he protected her from her name getting back to Paulie.

[Wings]

11 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

Bridgette did it too though!  Bridgette and Nat were the driving force here.

Yes but Nat is the one who finally got through to James.  But that would not have happened without Bridget so Kudos to both. 

Edited August 10, 2016 by wings707

[LuvizBlind]

Damn! They need to go the heck to bed before someone wakes or hears! 

[Lady Calypso]

Guys, think about it. All the exciting moments this season, at least in terms of flips, have happened because of women. Michelle was the driving force to keeping Tiffany one more week, and now it's Natalie/Bridgette. 

James is cancelling Paul/Corey's votes. I totally get why Paul wants his vote cancelled; he's covering his own ass in case Paulie gets back into power on Thursday and he can play dumb. James shouldn't be falling for it, but I think that I'm just so excited over this house flip that I don't care. They can rat Paul out at a later date and I think Paulie would believe it. So Paul can't cover his own ass for too long if Paulie gets into power. Plus, Paulie/Nicole's votes are exposed so he can't cover his own ass like he wanted to. 

I'd actually prefer Corey and Paulie's votes were cancelled so Paul can ensure that Zak goes to jury, but whatever.

[Wings]

James is nervous about this.  He said, I just want to do this the right way.   

Michele in a whine said, why would I not be happy about her [Nat] getting a care package?  That was part of the girl talk for some reason.  It was after there was a lot of talk about what to say and how to be.  Paul said, stop.  People have hurt people here, let that go!   

[Wings]

OH please people, stop going over the past.  This is a fabulous new day! 

[Umbelina]

A mini recap with lots of holes because it's been so good, for those of you just waking up.

• Bridgette and Nat compared notes and planned to save Michelle.
• Michelle was involved, but Bridge and Nat were the driving forces, and it really got going around the hot tub after 10 last night.
• Nat was told about Paulie telling everyone she was trash all the time, and she got mad, and finally told James how much he was hitting on her, etc.
• James got pissed and Paulie convinced him Nat was lying and trash.  James told Paulie everything Nat told him, and promised her not to tell.
• Meanwhile Paulie kept up his 'singles target couples' 'boys target girls' couples target singles" stuff, AND clever Bridgette did her giggling geisha girl routine so well, that when Vic and Paul joined Bridgette and Paulie in HOH they got super flattered and comfy with Bridgette and spilled WAY too much stuff.
• Then meeting in the SR with Nat and James, where Nat filled in even more details for James.  Bridgette came in and told them all she heard up in the HOH room, burying Paulie
• James decided since three votes do it, let's do it.  They have the 3.
• James wanted a mini house meeting to get all of Paulie's shit out there, at least to Paul, and that's what is happening right now.
• Paul is obviously all in, he's not brain dead, and he's sharing information.

[Lady Calypso]

James/Natalie are currently talking about the flirting strategy that Natalie's been doing. Again, James/Natalie know that it's better when they talk things out! They seem to be doing better. James seems to be less mad at Natalie now. She even kissed his cheek! And James had his hand up Natalie's shirt in front of Paul! They're ok, you guys! They're ok again!

James has done some shitty things this season, but I still root for him and Natalie. They'll be close outside of this game. I can see them staying in contact, at the very least. 

Nat/Paul are talking now. I'm going to sit and listen to this. I'm actually watching the feeds for more than five minutes for the first time in weeks. 

[Lady Calypso]

Paul's telling Michelle/Natalie that he's going to fake it to Paulie and pretend to still be besties with him so not to worry. I believe him; I might panic when he throws out Michelle's name, but I think we all need to know right now that he's faking it with Paulie. It's as clear as day that he's saving his own ass, but he's on our side. He wants Paulie out.

[Wings]

I am so glad that Paul is taking charge of the mission.  Nat and Bridget instigated it but are not equipped to carry it out.  

Natalie wanted to tell Z, Paulie flirted with her and what he said.  Paul put a stop to that.  It is personal, he said, save it for the jury house.  They need Paul to keep them centered and focused, no personal shit. 

Love this talk between Paul and Nat. 

Edited August 10, 2016 by wings707

[Kendall]

While this does look promising, I've been so disappointed with various things this season that I will have to actually see it on the show to believe it. But, thanks for all the recaps, everyone!

[Cutty]

They're gonna try to pin the vote on Nicole. It might work because Paulie is already paranoid that she's trying to start an all-girls alliance. 

[SiobhanJW]

Thanks for all the updates guys!! I'm so excited I hope this actually happens!!! 

[Wings]

James needs a leader.  Thank you Paul for taking that role for him.   All is well in flip land.  Ahhhhhhhh 

4 minutes ago, SiobhanJW said:

Thanks for all the updates guys!! I'm so excited I hope this actually happens!!! 

It will.  The train has left the station!  

Edited August 10, 2016 by wings707

[Lady Calypso]

5 minutes ago, Kendall said:

While this does look promising, I've been so disappointed with various things this season that I will have to actually see it on the show to believe it. But, thanks for all the recaps, everyone!

I think the only way this doesn't work is if James talks to Paulie and is convinced to cancel Bridgette and Nat's votes. But seeing as James is pissed at Paulie for the Natalie thing, and if Nat tells him about all the comments, he's gonna stick to getting Zak out. There's hope. I think there's a 50% chance of Michelle staying now. Before, it was far less. 

Can we just keep James locked in DR or in the Have Not room until tomorrow night? I know Paul's on board and he won't sway, but James is the wild card here, especially with the power.

[Wings]

1 minute ago, Lady Calypso said:

I think the only way this doesn't work is if James talks to Paulie and is convinced to cancel Bridgette and Nat's votes. But seeing as James is pissed at Paulie for the Natalie thing, and if Nat tells him about all the comments, he's gonna stick to getting Zak out. There's hope. I think there's a 50% chance of Michelle staying now. Before, it was far less. 

Can we just keep James locked in DR or in the Have Not room until tomorrow night? I know Paul's on board and he won't sway, but James is the wild card here, especially with the power.

James has to be on board now or get evicted by Paul!  LOL   James will sleep all day, he will be fine.  I think all of this new alliance will sleep all day!  

[gunderda]

This is so amazing!!!!!!

James says he's sleeping all day today - well he said he'd be up at 5 pm lol 

most of these guys will be sleeping all day so I think we have hope.

[Umbelina]

[gunderda]

Haha that gif is amazing!

[Umbelina]

Courtesy of (or rather stolen from) SJHalle at Sucks.

Edited August 10, 2016 by Umbelina

[Lady Calypso]

So, as a smoke screen, it's Paul vs Paulie, but in reality it's Natalie vs Paulie. Paul's the front leader, but Natalie's the mastermind. 

Paul just said that they all need to go to Victor to show them the numbers, or else Vic will run right to Paulie. Yep, Paul's turned officially. And just like that, my eviction order has changed to Zak, Paulie, Corey, Victor, then Nicole. 

[Wings]

Paul, James, Natalie, Bridget, Michele...... Victor maybe [Paul will get him by having a meeting with everyone.  Alone he will just run to Paulie]. 

Against. 

Paulie, Corey, Nicole 

This is going to work even without Victor!  

[Lady Calypso]

Natalie's giving Paul permission to throw her name out to Paulie and his crew about putting Nicole/Natalie up with Nat as the target. She's coaching him on telling Paulie that it'll be hilarious and all that. 

So, just a reminder that whatever Paul says to Paulie now is all BS! 

Edited August 10, 2016 by Lady Calypso
because the bolded and italicized point is very very important to remember

[Wings]

2 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

So, just a reminder that whatever Paul says to Paulie now is all BS! 

YES  Important point. 

[Katesus7]

I usually put absolutely zero stock in any plan forged after midnight, because usually after a good night's sleep, what seemed awesome in the middle of the night becomes a non-starter during the day.  However, these asshole's sleep schedules have become so fucked up, this plan might as well have been made at three in the afternoon.  Paul sounds like he's all in, and James is probably just relieved the plan involves another boy, so I think this could very well work.  I might have to stop my self-imposed ban. 

[Lady Calypso]

1 minute ago, Katesus7 said:

I usually put absolutely zero stock in any plan forged after midnight, because usually after a good night's sleep, what seemed awesome in the middle of the night becomes a non-starter during the day.  However, these asshole's sleep schedules have become so fucked up, this plan might as well have been made at three in the afternoon.  Paul sounds like he's all in, and James is probably just relieved the plan involves another boy, so I think this could very well work.  I might have to stop my self-imposed ban. 

For me, the fact that this conversation has been ongoing since 10 last night, and Paul/Michelle/Nat have been talking for a couple of hours now and giving each other information gives me confidence that this is going to work. I think Paul's just happy to be included in any plan. It was an excellent idea to include him because he likes to be in power and I think he's not afraid to make moves because he had almost been evicted if he didn't become bros with Paulie. Paul's being absolutely genuine here. I'd be shocked if he wasn't. He has his bases covered right now if things go wrong, but I think he might find a way to start getting Paulie weakened, even if Paulie wins DE. He might even sacrifice Victor if he knows he has the numbers on the other side of the house.

[Umbelina]

In every BB season I've watched all of the important game changing stuff happens after 2AM, usually after 3AM, because people are asleep and gaming is easier and more private.

[Wings]

Paul tells Michele to shut up.  Nat says we will have to sit on her!  LOL!  They have her number. 

Nat is telling Paul that she wants to make a name for herself in this game.  I don't now anything about this game and look!  Do not say that to Paul.  When their targets are gone she just set herself up to be the first to cannibalize. 

The fish are out of control this season.  Someone new is on the button.  Only 3 are awake and they are only talking game.  The fish are sometimes on for less than one second, sometimes a full second.  There is no reason for that.  You cannot even hear in that short time if they are finished saying anything that was fish-able. 

[Wings]

Nat just gave Michele a good pep talk.   This is your season, this is your game, all in an effort to keep her from freaking, talking, being paranoid, crying, getting mad about old slights and running her mouth.    I have not liked her from the beginning but paid little attention.  Nat and Paul are very worried about her fucking this up!  

[TheRealT]

Paul has topped all of the ridiculous BB "I can't tell anyone that I'm a [dentist/supermarket cashier/Scorpio] or I'll have a huge target on my back..." secret identities. He's been keeping it a secret that he's... a philosophy major. He didn't want anyone to know because most people don't understand philosophers and "Philosophers are smart."

[Umbelina]

Fish lately have been mostly for two things:

Z.

Talking about the collusion before the game between Derrick's minions.

Edited August 10, 2016 by Umbelina

[Lady Calypso]

4 minutes ago, wings707 said:

Nat just gave Michele a good pep talk.   This is your season, this is your game, all in an effort to keep her from freaking, talking, being paranoid, crying, getting mad about old slights and running her mouth.    I have not liked her from the beginning but paid little attention.  Nat and Paul are very worried about her fucking this up!  

I totally don't blame them for being worried. Michelle does need this pep talk, desperately. She just needs to keep her mouth shut but she also can't be looking too comfortable. They just need to handle this right and all will be fine.

Damn, Paul/Natalie might be a force to be reckoned with. They surprisingly work well off each other. Natalie as the brains and Paul as the brawn. Paul's good at getting people to trust him and he's good at covering his tracks and knowing when a ship is sinking. Natalie's good at seeing through all the bullshit and making notes of every little thing until she needs to use those pieces of information. If those two had teamed up with Frank and Tiffany, maybe Paulie would have been taken out earlier. 

And I cannot believe I said this about Paul. I've actively hated Paul, much like most of you. What the frick happened?

[Wings]

There is no need to stage a fake drama today between Paul and Natalie.  It will look staged.  Just business as usual is the best way to go.  Paulie has everyone on his list there is not need to do this!  Makes no sense. 

1 minute ago, Umbelina said:

Fish lately have been mostly for two things:

Z.

Talking about the collusion before the game between Derrick's minions.

Yes I know. .  I am talking about the less than one second blips I have been getting all morning.   

[njbarmaid]

I'm really going to be "pissed about friendship" if Paul runs back to Paulie like he has all season.  Or even worse, if James runs to Paulie to cover his own ass.

[gunderda]

Yea I don't like this idea of Paul being fake mad at Natalie.

[gunderda]

But they're all going to sleep all day so I doubt they have time to pull that off lol

[Lady Calypso]

Paul's trying to find a way to do damage control. Actually, he has a good point. If his vote is cancelled, he can stay in Paulie's ear to an extent. He could convince Paulie to put up Nicole if they pit a girls vs guys thing (Paul said this to Natalie). And then they can vote Nicole out and that's when Paul can switch sides. 

So again, reminder to myself: Paul pitching the girls vs guys thing is officially a strategy. Paul is against Paulie. I have no doubt that he is. He already said earlier that he might throw some names under the bus to cover his own ass, but he absolutely wants Paulie out. This is to cover them for DE. Michelle/Nat said he can do what he needs to do, so I think Paul won't tell Paulie everything, but he might toss out some names to cover up the plan. This is why James cancelling Paul's vote is good. They have a mole attached to Paulie. It's a good thing. And I absolutely believe Paul. After all, he just exposed his biggest secret as a Philosophy major to them! LOL.

[Umbelina]

2 minutes ago, njbarmaid said:

I'm really going to be "pissed about friendship" if Paul runs back to Paulie like he has all season.  Or even worse, if James runs to Paulie to cover his own ass.

I think it's Paul's fall back plan to save himself for ONE week in case Paulie wins HOH, but I do think he's all in on get Paulie, Nicole, and Corey out ASAP.

It could blow up if they bring Victor in though, but they might need his vote in DE.  Victor is in love with Polly.

[Wings]

 Don't tell Z negative things about Paulie, Nat, it doesn't serve you, it will only hurt Z.  

Natalie really does care about James.  She just confided in Paul and Michele that she wants to give this a try outside. 

They are working hard at handling Michele.  I didn't realize how fucked up she really is.  She still insists on going over the past.  She is a mess. 

[Wings]

Quote

 

Big Brother Updates ‏@BB_Updates  10m10 minutes ago

Paul told Natalie to blow shit up to Zakiyah tomorrow so that she comes to their side if she has the round trip ticket #BB18

 

Such a stupid idea.  Paulie will just deny and claim it is BS game play.  She is NEVER going to flip on Paulie in or out of this house. 

 

I missed that this was the reason on a bathroom break!  LOL

Edited August 10, 2016 by wings707

[Umbelina]

https://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-entertainment/releases/view?id=45839




CBS has renewed the summer reality hit BIG BROTHER for its 19th and milestone 20th seasons for broadcast in summer 2017 and 2018. The series is hosted by Julie Chen.

[Wings]

Excellent news that they canned 19 for a fall edition! 

[Wings]

When they wake up, hopefully they will see that staging a fight or informing Z are bad ideas and they can just continue on as if their plan never happened.  Paul can talk to Paulie all he wants about targets for the DE without any fighting necessary.  Just say, I got this to Paulie.  I don't mind getting my hand dirty, throw it to me.  If Paulie wants to win then suggest Nicole as a pawn and put up Natalie or Bridget.  Done, he will do that. 

Any change in behavior is going to alert everyone that something is up.   People read energy whether they believe it or not.  It has been decided Michele goes.  When she doesn't there will be no time to discuss anything.  They have one commercial break and Julie's interview with Z and most of that is consumed with getting instructions in the BY for HOH from a producer before Julie shows up to formally do that job. 

Edited August 10, 2016 by wings707

[SiobhanJW]

30 minutes ago, wings707 said:

Excellent news that they canned 19 for a fall edition! 

I think they are still doing a Fall Edition. I'm guessing it's being called something else, like Big Brother: Something or Other. So in theory we are getting 3 seasons of BB in the next 2 years. 

Or maybe they are just planning to pretend #BB18 never happened and the Fall Edition will be Big Brother 18: Redux. HAHA. 

Edited August 10, 2016 by SiobhanJW

[jumper sage]

Mr. Philosophy Paul has not yet figured out Paulie's mimic of him?  Way back in college, taking psychology/philosophy of the organization.......If one person mimics, such as dressing, grooming, aping, another, then the goal of the mimic is to capture those qualities that the group likes, make it his own and then discard the original person.  The group will usually go along since the mimic is still there reinforcing qualities they liked.

People it's a classic casebook study.  I would love to see the flip.  Paulie is so not his brother.

[Nashville]

3 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

So, this plan essentially rests on James and Paul, the two more untrustworthy ones here. Paul can't go running to Paulie about this. I think he may be able to trust Victor, but I'd probably only tell him tomorrow at some point. James also can't go running to Paulie and he has to negate Paulie and either Nicole or Corey's votes. I'd honestly negate Nicole's vote, but negating Corey's vote may be better. 

In truth, it doesn't matter; so long as James nullifies ANY two of the Paulie/Paul/Nicole/Corey voting bloc, James/Natalie/Bridgette decide the eviction by a vote of at least 3-2.  

That being said, I'd think nullifying Paulie's vote would not be the best option:

1. Unless it's his idea (as it has been on several of his I'm-tired-of-Zakiyah rants) Paulie is liable to see such a nullification as a direct jab at himself, and respond accordingly.  Best to leave Paulie at least a little bewildered when the vote flips, and not present him with a gift-wrapped target on which to focus his anger.
2. An even better reason: as mentioned before, Paulie himself has toyed with the idea of voting out Z on the occasions he found her behavior particularly cloying.  Wouldn't it be priceless if Paulie was confident enough in his vote numbers to throw a shade vote Z's way - and then have Z go to the JH on a unanimous vote in which Paulie participated?  :> 

 

3 hours ago, wings707 said:

I think [James] is definitely on board with this.  America gave him that perk for a reason.  That is all the motivation he needs.  He is in. 

This was the only argument N/B ever needed, and indeed the only argument guaranteed to work.  James is positively OCD about maintaining his AFP status - no way Jamesy is NOT going to do what 'Murrica wants.  ;)

 

2 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

James is cancelling Paul/Corey's votes. I totally get why Paul wants his vote cancelled; he's covering his own ass in case Paulie gets back into power on Thursday and he can play dumb. James shouldn't be falling for it, but I think that I'm just so excited over this house flip that I don't care. They can rat Paul out at a later date and I think Paulie would believe it. So Paul can't cover his own ass for too long if Paulie gets into power. Plus, Paulie/Nicole's votes are exposed so he can't cover his own ass like he wanted to. 

I'd actually prefer Corey and Paulie's votes were cancelled so Paul can ensure that Zak goes to jury, but whatever.

Z is going home regardless, and I'd rather Paulie's vote not be nullified for that very reason.  At the least, Z may go into Jury with a suspicion that Paulie backstabbed her - and if (as I mentioned earlier) my dreams were to come true and Z went into Jury on a unanimous vote in which Paulie participated, Z would KNOW Paulie screwed her over - even if he didn't.  At which point I hope for Profucktion's budget's sake all the dishes in the JH are unbreakable.  :D

Under the circumstances, I don't see James throwing one of the nulls Paul's way as a strategically bad move, especially if it helps build trust between James and Paul.  Actually I'd rather the other null be Nicole's vote rather than Corey's, but the difference may be negligible - and the trust-building effect may be the same.  As it happens, Nicole kinda screwed herself over on that very subject last night.  Nicole wanted James to nullify her vote, but when they spoke on the subject all Nicole did was press James on whose votes he was nullifying. If Nicole had simply asked, James would have probably been thrilled to have a volunteer.  Nicole outsmarted herself by being too cagey on e topic.

 

1 hour ago, wings707 said:

 Don't tell Z negative things about Paulie, Nat, it doesn't serve you, it will only hurt Z.  

Wasted effort - purely personal, minuscule strategic value (if any).  Z doesn't have a vote to sway this week.

Edited August 10, 2016 by Nashville
Adding a "Nicole fuuuucked uuuup!" :>

[eskimo]

I don't watch the feeds, so for those of you who do and are more familiar with the HG, what are the odds that Paul is only agreeing with everybody on the surface?  Even if he is pissed at Paulie is there a chance Paulie can smooth talk his way back in?  He has had some kind of hold on most of these people.