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Discussion of the hosts regarding a specific episode is fine here, but generalized discussion of the hosts go in the The Hosts Thread: Joe and Mika Know Their Value. 

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3 minutes ago, teddysmom said:

Is this travesty somewhere I can see it?  Do I even want to? 

Well... no.  No, you don't. 
I was just blinking awake when it was on and when I saw the diffuse filters added to the video's scenes and the slow romantic wipe cuts, and then turned it up to hear the music, I was like, 'I can name this abomination in 2 notes, Alex," and [then laughed at myself] and muted it.  I knew in a second that it was Joe's own fucking song played over treacly images of protests.  It's hard to believe they really did that.  Like that is going to elicit emotions from the likes of us.  They don't know their audience.

Also, they played it twice.

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1 hour ago, teddysmom said:

Something is going on that Mika wasn't on the show today, of all days. She has been hammering this stuff re Stephanie Clifford for two weeks. Now the day she can discuss the interview, she's nowhere to be found, and Joe is there with his "hey look some college gave me a law degree" bullshit about how Cooper should have interviewed her. 

I think they watched this together last night, got in a huge fight and she told him to go fuck himself if he thought she was going to sit next to him and listen to him denigrate her for her opinion. 

You are correct. The longer I think about it, the stranger her not being there today gets. Mika did love nothing more than this story for f-in' weeks. She was Ambien-and-vodka posting about it on Twitter and everything. Then they didn't even try to sell us some BS about her being under the weather. Like we're going to believe she willingly took this day, of all days, off. Lol

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2 minutes ago, XOQueens said:

You are correct. The longer I think about it, the stranger her not being there today gets. Mika did love nothing more than this story for f-in' weeks. She was Ambien-and-vodka posting about it on Twitter and everything. Then they didn't even try to sell us some BS about her being under the weather. Like we're going to believe she willingly took this day, of all days, off. Lol

I didn't even hear him say "Mika is off today". I was in the kitchen but I can hear the tv from there pretty well.  They set up remotes every other damn time they aren't in NY, why not today? 

I find it interesting that in the media the "is she credible or not" lines seem to be men - no, women yes. 

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2 minutes ago, teddysmom said:

I didn't even hear him say "Mika is off today". I was in the kitchen but I can hear the tv from there pretty well.  They set up remotes every other damn time they aren't in NY, why not today? 

I find it interesting that in the media the "is she credible or not" lines seem to be men - no, women yes. 

I came across a couple Twitter threads that are basically "Why does Joe Scarborough hate women" or "Why does Joe always blame the woman."  I'm always so tempted to open up my account so I can join these type of discussions. 

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2 hours ago, teddysmom said:

I guess I'm in the minority, I think they've got voicemails from phone calls, and maybe texts, etc.  As far as photos, who knows.  I can definitely believe Trump is egotistical enough to think he could get away with this, and thinks she's got something that is going to take him down.   I understand she panicked and signed stuff that wasn't true. And she probably would have kept her mouth shut if the WSJ hadn't found out about this and brought it up. Then she starts getting trashed by everyone around Trump and the media and decides, you know what? Fuck this. Here's what happened. 

Agreed.  I think Avenatti knew that the Monday morning response would be "is that all there is?"  Which is why he tweeted some caveats before the interview aired, basically saying don't get too excited.  I think there's more stuff to follow.  Avenatti is a shark. 

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23 minutes ago, XOQueens said:

Suomi. How did you know? ? 

Damn Mika, dial the eyeliner back to 11.  

Something's up.   Press reset, Mika. Give him that ring back, quit the show and get on with your life.   

Who the hell wears that much eye make up on their day off?  Even if she's going somewhere later. Jesus Mary & Joseph, I didn't wear that much eyeliner when I dressed up as a vampire slayer for Halloween 10 years ago. 

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9 minutes ago, jjj said:

I missed the song, but reading these posts reminds me of Ross on "Friends", when he says in flashbacks that he is working on his "sound".  

Joe makes Brian Kilmeade look like a serious journalist.  Fox & Friends must watch this shit and laugh their asses off.  "And they call us idiots". 

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1 hour ago, teddysmom said:

Damn Mika, dial the eyeliner back to 11.  

Something's up.   Press reset, Mika. Give him that ring back, quit the show and get on with your life.   

Who the hell wears that much eye make up on their day off?  Even if she's going somewhere later. Jesus Mary & Joseph, I didn't wear that much eyeliner when I dressed up as a vampire slayer for Halloween 10 years ago. 

 

? I’m waiting for a forever delayed conference call so I have time to round out my conspiracy theory details. ?

Let’s see. Joe’s weekend 1.00am Tweeting also boosts my conspiracy claims and our suspicions (I’ve fully roped you into the conspiracy now) is going on. 

Mika’s eyeliner is a travesty right now. Her waterline is too pronounced for this. 

Lol or I guess they could be together in Nantucket getting married before Joe’s tan fades. ?‍♀️

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5 minutes ago, XOQueens said:

I’m waiting for a forever delayed conference call so I have time to round out my conspiracy theory details. ?

Maybe she's in TX waiting to interview Stephanie. 

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2 minutes ago, XOQueens said:

What is porn?”

It's why Joe slams the laptop shut so fast when you wake up in the middle of the night and he tells you he couldn't sleep so he's writing a new song. 

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2 hours ago, teddysmom said:

Something's up.   Press reset, Mika. Give him that ring back, quit the show and get on with your life.   

 

When she's on set, he's away.  When he's there, she's gone.  Something smells fishy here, especially, as has been said above, today of all days.  Maybe everyone's been telling how much better (smarter) she comes across when he's not there bullying the shit out of her.  And I took a good long look at Joey today because something looked "off" about him.  Then I saw the huuuuuge bags under his eyes, the kind I get when I've been up crying all night.  Dare I hope that the lovebirds had a ginormous fight?  I say 'hope' because I believe Meek-a could do better than that blowhard she's hitched her star to.  Her potential seeps out whenever she hosts the show alone; when her boyfriend is not there.  Geesh, for someone who brags about women knowing their value, she sure seems clueless about her own.  Yes, she tells the story (now an old and tired one) about learning about the disparity in pay between Joe and her some years back and finally growing the balls to demand equal pay.  Well, I hate to break it to you Mika, but knowing one's value encompasses soooooo much more than money.  Like self-esteem, like pride, like expecting respect, like having an equal voice on a TV show that bears your name as well as his.  Gawd, why do I - out here in Podunkville - have to school Miss Know-Your-Value on knowing her own value????  Drives me nuts.

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9 minutes ago, Ladyrain said:

And I took a good long look at Joey today because something looked "off" about him.  Then I saw the huuuuuge bags under his eyes, the kind I get when I've been up crying all night

That instagram video of her, if you look at the still image before it starts you can tell even in black and white her eyes look blurry.  and the lines around her eyes are very prominent like she had been rubbing them a lot or something. 

She should have never taken that money from Joe back in the day, that made her his property.  It made her feel beholden to him from that day forward. 

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My guess is that Joe is still at his vacation location (Florida?), and Mika joined him over the weekend. Since they don't seem to do joint bunker appearances, one of them had to take the day off, and since Joe was off all of last week and Mika worked, they reversed roles for today.

Of course, I could be totally wrong, and maybe they have broken up, but I tend to doubt it.

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1 hour ago, Ladyrain said:

And I took a good long look at Joey today because something looked "off" about him.  Then I saw the huuuuuge bags under his eyes, the kind I get when I've been up crying all night. 

 

YUGE. His bags are bigger than his eyes.

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I hate to be shallow here...Meek's eyeliner has been discussed.  But.  Does she have a receding hairline?  A LOT of forehead there.  And I don't think they have had a spat ...it is just that she is not used to working five days a week.  That kind of stuff is for the masses...that is now how Meek-a and Joe roll.

Mr. Kemper was in the shower when I tuned in to MJ this morning.  This was when they were playing "the song" and showing the video..it was maybe near 7.  Was that the first time they played it?  Because even half asleep I figured this was his own composition and his "voice"...caterwauling.  I shrieked for Mr. Kemper to come listen/look.  He paid no attention but lucky him...they played it again - maybe at the end of the show?

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Hey! Nancy Smith (Gretchen Carlson's attorney) showed up with Katie Tur this afternoon.

Suppose that would be impossible for MJ to snag. We have to suffer through Turley?

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7 minutes ago, novhappy said:

The freshly sprayed tan lends credence to the theory he was up all night. And not in a good way. 

Up all night ... with Trump? Lol sorry, that was a step too far, even all things considered.

I doubt they broke up. I would, however, bet a toy truck on a recent big fight. 

Was the last time they were on set together The Day of Mika's Big Scoop?

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YUGE. His bags are bigger than his eyes.

He looks awful.  I bet they had a fight over the interview.  

 

His eyes look like little raisins.  And not the good, Whole Foods Market kind, but the tiny store-brand kind.

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7 hours ago, oakville said:

Joe's song is now playing! Stand! LOL! They are playing the song over the protesters. This is hilarious.  It's a new video.

Joe is now tapping a pencil in the studio after Mnucin's dumb statement about a line item veto.

Joe is mad at Rick Santorum for wanting students to learn CPR instead of supporting gun control.

I knew it!  I actually thought the images were moving, but that horrible warbling ruined it all. 

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24 minutes ago, teddysmom said:

He looks awful.  I bet they had a fight over the interview.   

I'm woman enough to admit I have started many stupid fights with boyfriends over the years, but I always pride myself on never getting in a fight over an Anderson Cooper interview. ;)

On a serious note, I am actually surprised Joe was so reluctant to understand how a woman would be intimidated by threats of varying degrees. He said he and Mika were blackmailed by Trump's people regarding their affair -- he should have a personal, intimate understanding of how Trump's people work in those regards and how upsetting it can be. It was reported he traded info (i.e. paid off, but with gossip rather than money) some tabloid/s to not run stories about their affair because Mika was so upset -- so, again, another instance where he should personally, intimately understand how this game hurts people and makes them do whatever, even if it does involve not telling the truth in order to not hurt people you love. 

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Anyway, that’s Mika’s TV makeup in her Instagram black and white thing, where she looks a tired and emotional mess. She doesn’t do her brows that dark or on trend when she’s on her own. I wonder if she was going in today and decided nah or what. Maybe she’ll show up on Hardball later. “Let’s play softball.” Jk, Joe would never allow that. 

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16 minutes ago, XOQueens said:

On a serious note, I am actually surprised Joe was so reluctant to understand how a woman would be intimidated by threats of varying degrees. He said he and Mika were blackmailed by Trump's people regarding their affair -- he should have a personal, intimate understanding of how Trump's people work in those regards and how upsetting it can be. It was reported he traded info (i.e. paid off, but with gossip rather than money) some tabloid/s to not run stories about their affair because Mika was so upset -- so, again, another instance where he should personally, intimately understand how this game hurts people and makes them do whatever, even if it does involve not telling the truth in order to not hurt people you love. 

Exactly. Joe doesn't understand how sometimes you pick your battles. But then when it came out anyway and everyone started trashing her, she got pissed off and decided "enough. I'm going to tell the story so everyone knows what really happened.". 

I think she comes across credible, and seems like a very cool person.  

I cannot believe Mika wasn't on the show and Avenati was on. I didn't know that til I saw a clip on another site.  The day after the interview AND Avenati is back, and no MIka?  

Can't wait to hear where she was.  And I'm SURE it'll be credible. 

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13 minutes ago, Chloesmom said:

MSNBC must be so pleased with his Avenatti interview that they are using clips from the Today show whenever they reference him.

I notice Mika & Joe aren't in very many "this is who we are" ads either. 

Try as they might, they'll never be the cool prime time kids. 

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30 minutes ago, teddysmom said:

I notice Mika & Joe aren't in very many "this is who we are" ads either. 

Try as they might, they'll never be the cool prime time kids. 

Joe's had too many on air collisions with the PM shift.  I get Olbermann as even though I love him he is a handful and is known for also not playing well in a group but his spats with Rachel were foolish/boorish.  MSNBC's ratings are for the most part up across the board.  I wonder if MJ's keep pace with the rest of the team.

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1 hour ago, RedheadZombie said:

I actually thought the images were moving, but that horrible warbling ruined it all. 

I tweeted at him "thanks for ruining footage of the March with your idiot song". 

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Oh my, I somehow either missed or blocked out the whole of the Avenatti-follow-up segment, complete with Orange Joe, copious sniffling, and Joe+Turley making fun of her being threatened (this is the same guy who had a breakdown over his fiancée being mentioned in an NRA commercial, come on dude!). 

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/morning-joe-questions-stormy-daniels-interview-the-fact-is-stormy-daniels-is-not-credible/

32 minutes ago, teddysmom said:

I tweeted at him "thanks for ruining footage of the March with your idiot song". 

I'm surprised he hasn't blocked you yet. ?

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3 hours ago, novhappy said:

The freshly sprayed tan lends credence to the theory he was up all night. And not in a good way. 

Is it possible that Joes mom is very sick? She has Alzheimer’s.

1 hour ago, Chloesmom said:

Joe's had too many on air collisions with the PM shift.  I get Olbermann as even though I love him he is a handful and is known for also not playing well in a group but his spats with Rachel were foolish/boorish.  MSNBC's ratings are for the most part up across the board.  I wonder if MJ's keep pace with the rest of the team.

Morning Joe’s ratings are more than double the pre Trump era. Cable. News ratings are up across the board

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2 hours ago, XOQueens said:

I'm woman enough to admit I have started many stupid fights with boyfriends over the years, but I always pride myself on never getting in a fight over an Anderson Cooper interview. ;)

On a serious note, I am actually surprised Joe was so reluctant to understand how a woman would be intimidated by threats of varying degrees. He said he and Mika were blackmailed by Trump's people regarding their affair -- he should have a personal, intimate understanding of how Trump's people work in those regards and how upsetting it can be. It was reported he traded info (i.e. paid off, but with gossip rather than money) some tabloid/s to not run stories about their affair because Mika was so upset -- so, again, another instance where he should personally, intimately understand how this game hurts people and makes them do whatever, even if it does involve not telling the truth in order to not hurt people you love. 

That is very insightful. Trump tweeted about Mika & Joe in the summer of 2016. He called Mika very insecur girlfriend. This happened before they went public. 

1 hour ago, Chloesmom said:

Joe's had too many on air collisions with the PM shift.  I get Olbermann as even though I love him he is a handful and is known for also not playing well in a group but his spats with Rachel were foolish/boorish.  MSNBC's ratings are for the most part up across the board.  I wonder if MJ's keep pace with the rest of the team.

Joe bragged a few years ago that he was powerful enough to get the progressives kicked off the network in the afternoon. They were replaced with “their “ people like Andrea Mitchell & Chuck Todd.

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If I was at MSNBC and Joe & Mika weren't on the show at the same time, I'd halve both their salaries, explaining that they can't invest so much into one family because the inclination is to stop working hard.  MSNBC is paying $14 million (Joe gets $11 and Mika $3, right?) for one person to work weekly, yet the family still brings in $14 million by actually doing 50% of the work.
They are WAY too comfortable in their roles as gab faces.  They should be on the show daily, produce the show, and sit in on other shows (they shouldn't, they suck: Joe got kicked off of Chuck Todd's Sunday show - bitter party of one) and they should earn those millions.  And if they won't, pay my girl (who is already a millionaire) Stephanie Ruhle millions and let her kick television's ass for the next 10 years.  Stephanie will outlive Trump and will still produce great work.  J'meeka won't.  J'meeking me crazy.

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17 minutes ago, oakville said:

Two things:

1) I actually like the music for Joe's songs much better than the lyrics. I find the music for a lot (but not all) of his songs to be quite catchy (this is subjective, of course). But, I find the lyrics to be very amateur-ish.

2) He really is over-doing playing this song on  his show. If they played a 30 second snippet, it would not be so bad. But, with both the womens march video, and today, they played it from start to finish, and then played it a second time later in the same show (I don't know if the played the entire song for the second time today, because as soon as it started at the end of the show, I turned the TV off).

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47 minutes ago, Landsnark said:

If I was at MSNBC and Joe & Mika weren't on the show at the same time, I'd halve both their salaries, explaining that they can't invest so much into one family because the inclination is to stop working hard.  MSNBC is paying $14 million (Joe gets $11 and Mika $3, right?) for one person to work weekly, yet the family still brings in $14 million by actually doing 50% of the work.
They are WAY too comfortable in their roles as gab faces.  They should be on the show daily, produce the show, and sit in on other shows (they shouldn't, they suck: Joe got kicked off of Chuck Todd's Sunday show - bitter party of one) and they should earn those millions.  And if they won't, pay my girl (who is already a millionaire) Stephanie Ruhle millions and let her kick television's ass for the next 10 years.  Stephanie will outlive Trump and will still produce great work.  J'meeka won't.  J'meeking me crazy.

The last salary estimate I read was $8M for Joe & $4M for Mika. This does not include bonuses. The show is bringing in over $30M in ad revenue which is a big boost from the Pre-Trump era. I agree that Mika & Joe are "phoning it in". However, they still have a brand, so MSNBC will keep them  past the 2018 mid terms & for the 2020 election. If Trump is re elected, Mika & Joe will freak out & probably quit.

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7 minutes ago, cased said:

Two things:

1) I actually like the music for Joe's songs much better than the lyrics. I find the music for a lot (but not all) of his songs to be quite catchy (this is subjective, of course). But, I find the lyrics to be very amateur-ish.

2) He really is over-doing playing this song on  his show. If they played a 30 second snippet, it would not be so bad. But, with both the womens march video, and today, they played it from start to finish, and then played it a second time later in the same show (I don't know if the played the entire song for the second time today, because as soon as it started at the end of the show, I turned the TV off).

Agreed. The music is OK. The lyrics are amusing. Joe thinks he is Bob Dylan.

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1 hour ago, Landsnark said:

If I was at MSNBC and Joe & Mika weren't on the show at the same time, I'd halve both their salaries, explaining that they can't invest so much into one family because the inclination is to stop working hard.  MSNBC is paying $14 million (Joe gets $11 and Mika $3, right?) for one person to work weekly, yet the family still brings in $14 million by actually doing 50% of the work.
They are WAY too comfortable in their roles as gab faces.  They should be on the show daily, produce the show, and sit in on other shows (they shouldn't, they suck: Joe got kicked off of Chuck Todd's Sunday show - bitter party of one) and they should earn those millions.  And if they won't, pay my girl (who is already a millionaire) Stephanie Ruhle millions and let her kick television's ass for the next 10 years.  Stephanie will outlive Trump and will still produce great work.  J'meeka won't.  J'meeking me crazy.

In the event that Mika & Joe quit or their contract is not renewed, I wonder who MSNBC would replace them with ? Velshi & Ruhle have good chemistry.

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It would be so nice to see this replaced with younger, peppier and diverse people from the anchors on down.  

John Meecham is indignant. He's the best one here this morning.

Joe's ranting with Richard Haas to get two senators to stand up to trump (mainly Corker and Flake) is laughable.  Why should retirement change there pathetic minds.

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11 hours ago, oakville said:

If Trump is re elected, Mika & Joe will freak out & probably quit.

Oh my god.  You're ripping my soul in two with that upside-down Sophie's choice.  Are you telling me that in order to get rid of Squinty and Meek-a, I have to endure another term of tRUMP??????   Or that to kick tRUMP to the curb in 2021, I'm stuck with the gruesome twosome every morning???   No no no no no no no no no.  Please no.  There must be a third option in that equation somewhere ?

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Joe is still lugging around those steamer trunks under his eyes.  He's also not taking off his glasses, under the misguided impression that he's hiding them behind the lenses.  Guess what, Joe:  You can see out, therefore we can see in.   But he's not acting heartbroken, so should we chalk it all up to allergies? 

It really frosts my butt that we're on the second or third week of those two apparently not being able to be in the same room together - or even on the same screen, considering Joe's always in the bunker.  And didn't he say yesterday, by way of explaining Mika's absence, that she was on a "well-deserved vacation"?  That's a bit odd; wouldn't the lovebirds vacation together?  I'm really beginning to think there IS trouble is paradise.

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16 minutes ago, Ladyrain said:

Oh my god.  You're ripping my soul in two with that upside-down Sophie's choice.  Are you telling me that in order to get rid of Squinty and Meek-a, I have to endure another term of tRUMP??????   Or that to kick tRUMP to the curb in 2121, I'm stuck with the gruesome twosome every morning???   No no no no no no no no no.  Please no.  There must be a third option in that equation somewhere ?

It's possible that Joe could get caught by the #metoo movement or one of his ex wives gets fed up with him & tells the public how he cheated on them  & if he verbally abused them. There was a situation in Ontario recently, when the leader of the province's opposition party had to resign for dating under age girls. The reporter covering the issue was smug & mocked the leader. A former colleague of the reporter called him out on twitter for exposing himself to her in 2006 & he was fired.

4 minutes ago, Ladyrain said:

Joe is still lugging around those steamer trunks under his eyes.  He's also not taking off his glasses, under the misguided impression that he's hiding them behind the lenses.  Guess what, Joe:  You can see out, therefore we can see in.   But he's not acting heartbroken, so should we chalk it all up to allergies? 

It really frosts my butt that we're on the second or third week of those two apparently not being able to be in the same room together - or even on the same screen, considering Joe's always in the bunker.  And didn't he say yesterday, by way of explaining Mika's absence, that she was on a "well-deserved vacation"?  That's a bit odd; wouldn't the lovebirds vacation together?  I'm really beginning to think there IS trouble is paradise.

Joe said that Mika will be back tomorrow. The instagram story from Mika looked like it wa taken in a warm place, i.e. Florida.

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57 minutes ago, stormy said:

It would be so nice to see this replaced with younger, peppier and diverse people from the anchors on down.  

John Meecham is indignant. He's the best one here this morning.

Joe's ranting with Richard Haas to get two senators to stand up to trump (mainly Corker and Flake) is laughable.  Why should retirement change there pathetic minds.

It's hilarious that Joe is demanding that Flake & Corker attack Trump's agenda since they are retiring. Did Joe stand up to George W Bush? Joe never had the deciding vote in any administration . It's possible that Flake & Corker have post political lobbying jobs that depend on the GOP staying in power. They wouldn't want to hurt their future clients.

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1 hour ago, stormy said:

It would be so nice to see this replaced with younger, peppier and diverse people from the anchors on down.  

John Meecham is indignant. He's the best one here this morning.

Joe's ranting with Richard Haas to get two senators to stand up to trump (mainly Corker and Flake) is laughable.  Why should retirement change there pathetic minds.

The show is Blah today. Joe is in the bunker. Meecham is in the library.Eddie Glau & Richard Haas are together in another studio.Del Percio is somewhere. Barnicle is in NY.

I don't like the Brady Bunch panel.

Joe mocked Trump for not fighting back against Stormy Daniels & Vladimir Putin.

There was a long discussion about lawyers not wanting to represent Trump. He doesn't pay bills. & won't listen to lawyers.

Digenova looked dishevelled when he met Trump. There were conflicts of interest.

Meacham is excited about redistricting in Pennsylvania. It will be less gerrymandered & help the Democrats.

Meecham said that the GOP made a deal with Trump in exchange for power. They ended up with tax reform & a Supreme Court Justice. The GOP will be doomed in 2018.

It's not clear that Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio or John Kasich would have beaten Hilary Clinton in the midwest. Was there any polling done to that effect?

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"When I travel this country, I meet with small business owners.  Many of them.  Medium sized business owners.  They all talk to me.  They all want to know.  Large business owners, and even very large business owners.  They all say the same thing, Trump is a pig.  Trump is a deplorable human.  Trump makes them physically ill.  Trump is an embarrassment and beyond distasteful.  But... that's right, BUT, he's opening mines in Colorado.  He's lifting restrictions.  He's changing policy.  He's helping us out.  That's what they tell me.

What a childish rhetorical conceit to make up a fake story to support your own point.  This is Joe's go-to move.  He's forever inventing stories to support some stupid pet narrative.

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