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On 10/12/2016 at 6:19 PM, spinxella said:

Jason Thompson Fatigue Syndrome has set in.

The fact that Angelica McDaniel responded to Jamey's criticism was interesting.

Angelica always responds to Jamey's criticisms. She cares about what he thinks for some godforsaken reason. She even went on his DC podcast one time for an interview. 

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19 hours ago, crowsworks said:

Keep sending feedback. You know the Philly-fanatics are

They can send all the feedback they want, it doesn't change the data (ratings and focus groups feedback) that the show has. 

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26 minutes ago, valleycliffe said:

yeah, saw the newest ratings, they're down....AGAIN,  or should i say still.

Well, the Philly fans can blame Jack and Phack and Vikki and Villy for those ratings. Philly aren't sharing airtime. But when they were were, the show had record low demos. I'm sure that didn't go unnoticed by anyone at CBS Daytime. 

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miamama

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Interesting.

I'm not surprised they let Burton go. He must have been paid a fortune -- since JFP touted him as some great GET -- and he offered nothing in return. The character was a bust despite all the stories, sets, careers, love interests being thrown at him. And he never quite fit in IMO.

I didn't mind him as a back burner character. But no reason to pay him big bucks to do that.

I wonder if he goes back to GH.

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2 minutes ago, spinxella said:

Allegedly the Top 5 earners at Y&R for 2015 in order of highest paid were: Eric Braeden, Steve Burton, Peter Bergman, Justin Hartley, and Joshua Morrow.

Burton made more money than Peter Bergman???  What a load of crap, and for a crap actor.  

And what a slap in the face to Peter.  

I thought MTS would have been a top earner, too.  That's bs as well, for her to be behind the newbies, too.

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miamama

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9 hours ago, Desperately Random said:

I wonder where Jason Thompson is on that list. Didn't he come on in 2016?

I wonder too. They gave him his own promo declaring "Jason Thompson is coming to Y&R" and he was clearly promised a lot in terms of screen time etc (which was delivered). If she paid SB more than PB, wouldn't surprise me if JT got the same. He was "stolen" from another show while SB had already left. 

It is very very telling that show was ready to dump SB at the first opportunity after JFP left.

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10 hours ago, Artsda said:

All men. Where is SC, MTS, CK, AH,  MCE even. 

Eric, Peter, Justin and Josh I'll say deserves it, but Steve no way and for sure not ahead of vets like Peter and Josh. 

I wouldn't say he does, or at least not ahead Josh Morrow. Whatever one thinks of his acting, he's more than put in the time.

indeed, it's telling that none of the top five are women, given that Y&R has more veteran actors and actresses than any other daytime show left on the air.

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2 hours ago, Gloriole33 said:

Wonder how much bread Sean Carrigan is earning?  Seems to me he should be rolling in the dough.

Hahaha!!  

Roll in dough, then dip in egg batter and cover in bread crumbs.

And even with all that he comes off as day old buttbiscuit lite.

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23 hours ago, miamama said:

If anyone has this, would love a synopsis. I'll never buy it. lol. #iamahypocrite 

I got a hold of my mom's copy. Quotes from PB:

"Oh my God, these are the kind of scripts that you wait every six or seven years for!"

"When Jack found out about the betrayal, the scenes quickly became Jack's scenes. They're not Phyllis's scenes anymore or Billy's scenes. They were Jack's scenes, and Gina and Jason were beyond generous to allow that, to make the entire focus be about Jack's pain."

"The less aware that Jack was, the bigger the payoff when he found out. It's a basic rule - the Peter Bergman rule. "

"For God's sakes, it's my brother. If I can't trust him, who can I trust? I had no problem supporting this story. I had no problem justifying Jack's blindness to what was right in front of him!"

"My biggest worry always with these things is that Jack will get over whatever trauma he's going through too quickly. What I want as an actor is a real exploration of this."

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2 hours ago, NinjaPenguins said:

I got a hold of my mom's copy. Quotes from PB:

"Oh my God, these are the kind of scripts that you wait every six or seven years for!"

"When Jack found out about the betrayal, the scenes quickly became Jack's scenes. They're not Phyllis's scenes anymore or Billy's scenes. They were Jack's scenes, and Gina and Jason were beyond generous to allow that, to make the entire focus be about Jack's pain."

"The less aware that Jack was, the bigger the payoff when he found out. It's a basic rule - the Peter Bergman rule. "

"For God's sakes, it's my brother. If I can't trust him, who can I trust? I had no problem supporting this story. I had no problem justifying Jack's blindness to what was right in front of him!"

"My biggest worry always with these things is that Jack will get over whatever trauma he's going through too quickly. What I want as an actor is a real exploration of this."

HUGE thanks, Ninja! Hug your mom for me. :)

"Oh my God, these are the kind of scripts that you wait every six or seven years for!"

Ooooh. Yes. They have been masterful. And I'm hoping for more...

"When Jack found out about the betrayal, the scenes quickly became Jack's scenes. They're not Phyllis's scenes anymore or Billy's scenes. They were Jack's scenes, and Gina and Jason were beyond generous to allow that, to make the entire focus be about Jack's pain."

Right-O. We all saw it, too, Peter. The POV finally shifted. ;)

"The less aware that Jack was, the bigger the payoff when he found out. It's a basic rule - the Peter Bergman rule. "

I guess that's how Peter got through all those months...lol

"For God's sakes, it's my brother. If I can't trust him, who can I trust? I had no problem supporting this story. I had no problem justifying Jack's blindness to what was right in front of him!"

Interesting. Was there an implication in the story, Ninja, that PB might not have supported this story? 

"My biggest worry always with these things is that Jack will get over whatever trauma he's going through too quickly. What I want as an actor is a real exploration of this."

I totally agree. That's precisely what happened with the stupid Marco story. No reaction at all. This is a massive betrayal and Jack is shaken to the core. I want to see it explored too. Thank God Pratt is gone. He simply couldn't write this.

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20 hours ago, spinxella said:

Allegedly the Top 5 earners at Y&R for 2015 in order of highest paid were: Eric Braeden, Steve Burton, Peter Bergman, Justin Hartley, and Joshua Morrow.

Wonder what they are making since Eileen Davidson is paid a hair under a million dollars for RHofBH which tapes less than 4 months a yr and they had to match her union scale for their contract.

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Miamama, PB seemed very enthused about the story and being able to act it out. He doesn't say much about reuniting with Phyllis until the very end, and it was a quick reference to not being able to switch off feelings of love and reiterating how much he wants to explore the fallout of the affair. 

There were a few side blurbs w/ photos. In one, PB says he can't see Victor and Jack ever working together because Victor can't work with others. In another, he talks about how Jack tried to be noble and a peacemaker and got kicked in the teeth by two people he loves as his reward. I felt like the implication was why bother? I think we're seeing that why bother attitude on our screens now. There's a pic of Jack and Tracy and PB says that the Abbott family should definitely take sides re: the affair.

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miamama

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1 hour ago, NinjaPenguins said:

Miamama, PB seemed very enthused about the story and being able to act it out. He doesn't say much about reuniting with Phyllis until the very end, and it was a quick reference to not being able to switch off feelings of love and reiterating how much he wants to explore the fallout of the affair. 

Soaps are so bad about taking on the difficult story of a couple seriously working through the fallout of an affair. Usually the betrayed spouse cheats as revenge or else it's just forgotten  (as PB fears) and they are lovey dovey again. Jack has always been about his family. This betrayal would be the biggest he's experienced. I can see why he doesn't want Jack to quickly move on.

I've come to realize that I really really really want to see married -- what I think of as "real" -- couples on the show. People with shared history and an ease with each other, etc. I am married and so maybe that's why or maybe because hawt sex scenes on soaps are never really hot to me -- but I will never cheer cheaters to succeed. Ever. The other day (on Friday's CDN) Sharon and Nick and Mariah and Faith were kind of hanging/running around their house and I just enjoyed seeing it. I hate Nick and have no dog in the Shick or no fight but seeing a family I first watched 20 years ago? I don't know. That just has power. Let the young people have the new love stories (which can be fun as well). Give us some stable couples. I think it's important. I also think there's lots of story potential (but it has to be character driven).

So all that to say I would really love to see a long-term couple (grownups in other words) work through a deeply painful experience. And PB (and GT) would so shine. 

1 hour ago, NinjaPenguins said:

There's a pic of Jack and Tracy and PB says that the Abbott family should definitely take sides re: the affair.

I'm guessing it's not indicating Traci is coming any time soon? sigh. Interesting he says this because I have found (and stated elsewhere) that Ashley is way to nice to Billy. She is clearly devoted to Jack and supporting him but she has yet to really let Billy have it. The only time she has is in a kind of "little brother you're being so silly again" crap. In Friday's Canadian Billy was horrific to Jack, and Ashley was pretty weak standing there. At one point, Billy had the audacity to grab Jack's arm (when Jack tried to turn away from him) and pull him back. Ashley gasped but that was it. I would have clocked him or at the very least screamed at him to get his fucking hands off Jack. She comforted Jack afterwards because he was so upset by it, but as usual Billy gets away with being an asshole.

And it would be really nice if Jack had others around, even his gnome son. 

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miamama

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The Talk with MTS, CLB, CK and JT.

They really are downplaying Philly and playing up Villy. Billy's introduced as first getting "re-engaged to the love of his life, Victoria, then sleeping with his brother Jack's wife Phyllis." And when he's asked "what's next?" JT replies "who knows? He's all over the place. But with him and Victoria, no matter who is playing Billy [um, is he giving us hope he's leaving?????] they'll be like [points to MTS who just described Niktor], they'll always go on and on."

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I've come to realize that I really really really want to see married -- what I think of as "real" -- couples on the show.

Amen.  For awhile, I thought they were trending there earlier this year.  No matter what went wrong instead of a couple splitting and having a superwedding a week later to another character, married characters seemed to be doing just that.  I can't remember the what but there were a couple points Adam and Chelsea by the old rules ought to have split but they stayed.  It was interesting.  I think that's what I was so sorry about the Phyllis and Billy affair.  It actually didn't feel to me like something that had been developed enough for Gina's Phyllis to have done.  She hadn't been written as miserable enough or messed up emotionally enough to veer into that yet, at least to me.  I actually hated the Phyllis/Billy thing on that basis:  it didn't seem like something NuPhyllis would have done (yet.)  I guess it was TPTB willing creation of a new super couple or something.  God knows JFP was never known for her subtly. 

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 But with him and Victoria, no matter who is playing Billy [um, is he giving us hope he's leaving?????] they'll be like [points to MTS who just described Niktor], they'll always go on and on."

Nooooo! Does this mean that Billy will become an emotionally abusive megalomaniac who heaps misery upon Johnny and Katie while Victoria looks on adoringly? While not yet as toxic as Nikki and Victor, Villy is not something I need clogging up my screen for years. The horror, the horror...

While I'm not married, I do miss couples doing normal couple things and having normal conversations. Characters having normal reactions to events. We're always promised "events that will change everything!" that change absolutely nothing. I think that's starting to turn around and will get better with the new writers. 

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miamama

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4 hours ago, NinjaPenguins said:

While I'm not married, I do miss couples doing normal couple things and having normal conversations. Characters having normal reactions to events. We're always promised "events that will change everything!" that change absolutely nothing. I think that's starting to turn around and will get better with the new writers. 

Yeah, as I typed it I doubted it was my married status. I liked this stuff long before I was married or had even been in a long-term relationship. It's the "normal" part that is key. Normal human reactions, as you say. Otherwise we can't relate. And I truly think that's why soaps are almost dead. Once the emotional connection is gone viewers leave for good.

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miamama

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4 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Actually I thought the way they handled Lauren's betrayal of Michael to be rather well done. I really felt the pain they went through and the work they put into saving their marriage was true to life. YMMV.

I think I FFd a fair bit of that. Didn't it involve someone pulling a gun? (That's what turned me off, truthfully). Like Carmine went nuts or something?

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Could be, I didn't pay much attention to Carmine. It was the scenes of Michael and Lauren at home, working on things as their therapist directed. It was very heartfelt and palpably painful. I thought both of them were very convincing and the acting was better than usual.

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1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

Could be, I didn't pay much attention to Carmine. It was the scenes of Michael and Lauren at home, working on things as their therapist directed. It was very heartfelt and palpably painful. I thought both of them were very convincing and the acting was better than usual.

Ah. I didn't watch. But I believe it. TEB and CLB are working off many years as scene partners. That's what I mean. Shared history has a lot of power. I hope the new team recognizes that. 

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Big Blue Plate

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I remember once John and Jill having a conversation before Victor and Nikki's original wedding, when they brought everybody back, and Jill saying: "And they say she's a stripper!"  It was a just a good old husband and wife gossip.  I liked it.  I remember another time my favourite Jill (elegant but largely clawless, Deborah Adair) bought John Pavarotti tickets in Chicago... they were just nice real human moments.   I love those things too.  You never get them.

(Of course Jill's pre-wedding observation was one of Y&R's fabulous continuity gaps... Jill was talking about Nikki as if she never knew her when, by that time, she'd been Nikki Foster previously.  But maybe Jill was lying to Johnny boy already.  Or practising.)

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He is actually an improved Billy Miller IMO. He's fresher looking, always focused as an actor, complete eye candy. He was born to replace BM in this role. And he's younger -- in Lily's/Colleen's/Daniel's age group, as he should be.

That is the face you could forgive anything.

Fucking hell.

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miamama

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4 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Give us this guy as Billy! We promise not to notice the casting change. We promise!

I know. Seriously. Flip the characters. IDGAF. Just do it. He needs to Billy. If he is, he can say "sorry Jack" and I'll be cool. So will Jack.

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Big Blue Plate

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I'm not a fan of Hunter Hayley King but I don't think she merited being on the list.  I think she's grown into her own in the last few months... the character's pathetic but I think she delivers a sincere performance. 

I wonder what happens to those people even the soaps wind up leaving behind?  I mean, what will become of Muhney?  But what became of Lilibet Stern or Sabryn Genet or any of 'em?  Even if they still land a part from time to time, what pays the bills?

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Maybe it's because I thought she was so awful to begin with, as a character and an actor.  But she's not up there on the Mount Rushmore of Bad with Yvonne Zuma.  I am not mad about her - I tend to FF through most Summer stuff - but when I am compelled to watch I find the performance credible even if the character is still suffering from peanut butter. 

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2 hours ago, valleycliffe said:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

most of them were y&r actors/actresses

http://www.fame10.com/entertainment/10-worst-soap-opera-actors/?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=FT_FBK_CA_DESK&utm_content=variants

The only one I disagree with, really, is Burgess Jenkins.  He wasn't great, but I didn't mind him so much as Billy, and in retrospect, looking at the Supreme ButtBiscuit we're stuck with now, he seems positively Shakespearean.

As for Hunter King, Show would have done better if they'd cast a paper bag with a smiley face drawn on it.   Every time somebody on the show praises her character I wonder how they can get through the lines without breaking out in laughter.

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I must totally be missing something on HHK.  Maybe I just thought she was so bad to begin with (and I was not a fan back then) that what I see as slight improvement has made me wrong in any event.    I ain't dying on that hill. 

Truth be told, the only one on the show I really like consistently is Gina.  Sometimes Bergman, but he hams it up too much for my taste.  If he'd just deliver his dramatic moments with a little more understatement I know I'd be 100% behind him.  But it's just SO.MUCH.OPERA! Eileen Davidson can be OK sometimes too.  And I never fail to love Traci.  I used to like Jess Walton but she's too tough on the eyes for my tastes these days and yells too much... I think she always was but back in the day the scripts were better.  There was never any softness about Jess Walton.  I guess the Brenda Dickson 2.0 era pretty much turned Jill into a one note bitch archetype. 

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