B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat

[MulletorHater]

2 hours ago, Gam2 said:

Um, where’s Brooke?

I suspect the writers have put her in the layaway until nu-Thorne comes aboard. 

Remember when La Spencer used to make stuff happen?  Now, she is a shockingly passive bystander as all this activity whirls around her.  She gives Bill her ring back, and Sludge's homeless ass and their trophy brat are in her face with the full court press, and her relatives take it upon themselves to pack up her things and move her out of Bill's home.  I commented a while ago that since the writers made such a big deal about Brooke's struggle with alcohol, it would have been understandable if she was tempted by the bottle yet again.  Bill stops by FC to demand that Sludge not interfere in his marriage, but didn't see Brooke.  

But, I forgot.  The Stuffy Show and the ratings bust known as the "Summer of Sheila" are in full swing.  It's also clear that the Sheila nonsense has run its course and is a huge bust, but Brad Bell would rather be right than be happy, particularly when it comes to his stunt casting and shock-and-awe storytelling.

[Anna Yolei]

The last story that was so completely DOA before this Sheila crap was Ridge/Bridget. At least that had an element of novelty, albeit in a train wreck kinda way.

Brookes absences may be explained by KKL's business taking her away some times. She mentioned in one of the anniversary segments that she goes to Sydney at least 3 times a year for business. But still, could they not write around those better if that were the case? Brooke has been an afterthought in this entire story.

[ByaNose]

I saw on IR Instagram that he started taping B&B today. I guess we’ll see him in a month. If he was DOOL he wouldn’t be airing till March 2018.

[TobinAlbers]

Ingo'a fist air date is late November, I believe the Monday after Thanksgiving.

As for Sheila...

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Guess Kimberlin realized it wasn't working for her on B&B either!  

[SimplePleasures]

3 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

Ingo'a fist air date is late November, I believe the Monday after Thanksgiving.

As for Sheila...

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Guess Kimberlin realized it wasn't working for her on B&B either!  

Oh boy!  If she gets elected I'm sure she'll put that patented "death stare" to good use. 

Odds are Quinn puts a bullet between Sheila's eyes. 

[CountryGirl]

I didn't even watch yesterday's episode.

I read the description and HARD PASS.

I see elsewhere that Badley's just as into the porn vibe as he ever was (remember Brooke's audible orgasm when she and Deacon got it on in the Brooke's Bedroom bed at FC?).

As for the news of her running for Congress...well, silver lining, she's soon to be off this show.

[grisgris]

With Sheila and Dante' in charge, California will be in good hands ... Seriously. I can totally see KB in office. She is the opposite stand than me but whatever, "Buh, 'bye, Felicia!" (That was meant to work somehow in relation to Dante' reference, oh well ... LOL!)  BTW, I think of part of why Sheila isn't working is the dowdy wardrobe and matronly Caroline Ingalls hairstyles. If she wore her hair down and some colors other than gray in a more fashionable style, I could see where she might have a slim-to-none (as opposed to none) chance of turning Eric's head.

You didn't miss much. Yesterday's show was a complete and total waste of time and obviously a transition episode. To what ... remains to be seen.

I see that JY and RE made their obligatory one-and-done appearances to maintain SAG benefits and RE was attempting to sport this:

Just picture this in a shiny synthetic ashy blonde version with perfectly blunt bangs and ends and you've got it.  It was teamed with some skimpy backless romper, that yes, would have been darling on Darlita or Coco.

Speaking of hair, the B&B spies must have been lurking the past few days. Bill's hair was oily jet black with a pompadour but had some gray carefully combed into the sideburns.

ENOUGH of Sally simpering over Liam with her gratitude and the anvils with her gushing about how lucky Fauxdi is, Liam's such a great man, husband, savior of the world, etc., etc.  But .. nothing is going to happen!!! Also, why was it preferable for the A&E firm meeting to be held on the Spencer jet? How was that supposed to appease Fauxdi as opposed to Sally and Liam actually leaving the plane to go to a physical brick & mortar site?

I won't even address the gag-worthy conversation between Fauxdi and Bill. Again, he was slathering on the undeserved compliments to the slattern (I LOVE that word) in black and snarling threats about Liam. (I think I'm going to start referring to Steffy as S.I.B. "Slattern in Black." There is an old Black Sabbath song called "Nativity in Black" that is shortened to N.I.B. It's a cool old song and the lyrics fit her.)

So far, I don't care for Mateo. He hasn't been on that much but he seems pretty wooden to me, but maybe that was the idea, given where the story is supposedly heading. He is dull and flat with Sheila and I don't pick up any type of heat and chemistry between him and RS. I'm glad when Eric got all prudish the "estate manager" trying to help Quinn with her back that she shut him down by suggesting that he try it himself and by the way, buy us a damned massage table! I guess I can see why Eric would raise his eyebrows, given that the therapeutic massage took place by having his naked wife on their bed.

Yes, I would prefer to see drunk Brooke again, anything other than this drivel. Right now, there are no SLs that are remotely interesting.

[drivethroo]

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Sally is like Thomas who. Sally, you a little to obvious throwing yourself at Liam. 

Unlike Thomas, Liam is sticking around in Sally's time of need.

[RuntheTable]

 Those were some harsh, hateful words coming out of Bill’s mouth. Not only were there horrible and regrettable, but they were wrong on every level. How is Liam ruining SP’s employees? From what I have seen, they seem to be on board with Liam’s changes and his vision. Yeah, I get that SKY would have employed construction workers, and when occupied, provided jobs. But, that all depends on many different things. Construction doesn’t always go as planned, many things can happen to hold it up. Then you have to rent/lease the offices, and hope they can stay in business. And what guarantee is there that the renter’s won’t be shit business owner’s like Bill? What Liam is doing is providing real time help. The changes he has made give SP’s employees immediate relief from the pressures of life and financial hardship.

Then he was barking about how all this is Liam’s fault. Whaaaaaa????? Maybe I was watching a different show, but I didn’t see Liam telling Thomas that Caroline was dying, and I didn’t watch him tell Justin to have Spectra burned down. Now, if Bill’s current situation is a byproduct of Liam finding out about his father’s dastardly deeds, then that is a horse of an entirely different color. That is called repercussions Bill. Or maybe consequences. Or maybe Karma. But the time to hold Bill’s feet to the fire for his Assholery is upon us, and I couldn’t be more on board with it. Liam doesn’t realize it yet, but he is about to be awakened to a whole new perspective on life and love. I simply cannot wait for him and Sally to fornicate, but I do want his wife to go there first, and at the rate she and Bill are eye fucking each other, and petting each other; I would bet they will be getting horizontal by weeks end.

Now the really tough part. I think Brooke is going to cave in to her love for Bill, and give him a chance to make this right. I keep remembering her words to Steffy about how Bill “seems sincere”. Except he isn’t. His words to Steffy show that all too clearly. So, I think Brooke will go over to Bill’s to surprise him with the good news, only to find him in bed with Steffy. I think that will about do it for her and the Marone’s; it certainly will be the end of her and Bill. Enter our new Thorne. The more I think about it the more I like it. Brooke and Thorne were awesome, and were cut apart too soon and for more fucking Bridge work. Something that has never lasted. Could this be were Brooke finally finds contentment and peace? True love?

Oh Mateo. Come on over because I have a sore back too. Geez, I cannot believe they are wasting this guy on some stupid Sheila shit. He isn't the best actor, but this is B&B, and they have never really cared about acting ability; Ronnnnn Moss, Lorenzo Lamas, Bryan Genesse, Ashley Tesoro, just to name a few. But he is cute as all dickens.  And Sheila really needs to put the hallucinogens away, cause whether Eric stays with Quinn or not, he sure isn’t gonna be re-hitching himself to that psycho.

I don’t know, the whole masseuse thing just conjures up ugly visions from the past:

 

I’m enjoying Liam as a power broker. I cannot believe the change. And him and Sally. Yeah, there is plenty of gold to mined out of that pairing.

Edited October 10, 2017 by RuntheTable

[MulletorHater]

13 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

Ingo'a fist air date is late November, I believe the Monday after Thanksgiving.

As for Sheila...

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Guess Kimberlin realized it wasn't working for her on B&B either!  

Well, isn't that fucking special?  Too bad she didn't decide to do that before screwing up at least a couple of very promising storylines--and couples.  Although, the cynical side of me thinks that's why she took the job in the first place--to get her face out there.

Not to mention the additional people who were dragged on the show to support this mess.

[TobinAlbers]

26 minutes ago, RuntheTable said:

 

I’m enjoying Liam as a power broker. I cannot believe the change. And him and Sally. Yeah, there is plenty of gold to mined out of that pairing.

TPTB will mess it up. They have a good track record of wasting the potential of many a good pairing/storyline. 

One thing that would give me hope is if when Steam implodes, it's not just Liam blaming Steffy and his father, but him copping to his part in the saga of Steam and Lope and that he was too arrogant/caught up in Steffy's pull and pulled some dumb moves and vows to be better in the future. It makes him being more guarded with Sally and not wanting to jump into a rebound relationship allow for more anticipation and better foundation for Lally. Ivy languished pining for Liam while he was stuck on Hope and then fighting for him when Steffy returned and then pretzeled hooking up with Wyatt only to admit she still loved Liam.  Sally need not go that route.

The show needs to take their time with Liam and Sally so even if they don't work out as a long term couple, stupid mistakes aren't made on both sides where they can't be friends/allies later. Liam needs a gal pal to rally him when he starts to feel sorry for himself, be a conscience when he goes overboard going after Bill and Steffy, and a shoulder to lean on when he really needs it. Sally needs to realize she's transferred her white knight fixation from Thomas to Liam because she's still nursing a broken heart. Both need to be in much better places before they hit the sheets. Sally does not need to be a revenge hump for Liam.

[ByTor]

16 hours ago, MulletorHater said:

The Stuffy Show and the ratings bust known as the "Summer of Sheila" are in full swing.

Really, they're bad?  I don't check the ratings, so I wouldn't know, but I'm really glad to hear it, and....

14 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

Ingo'a fist air date is late November, I believe the Monday after Thanksgiving.

As for Sheila...

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Guess Kimberlin realized it wasn't working for her on B&B either!  

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hopefully she gets whatever the hell office she wants and Sheila could really honestly for truly be DEAD dead!

[drivethroo]

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Then you have to rent/lease the offices, and hope they can stay in business.

Which is why CJ should have sold the building to Bill, with the contract stipulation that Sally is one of the tenants and gets free/reduced rent.  In fact, CJ & Sally 1.0 actually should've given half of the money they got to Sally, since they didn't maintain the building & let the insurance policy lapse.

I would love to see Brooke & Thorne back together.  I liked them the first time around because they were friends first and it grew from there.  I would like for nuThorne to come in and be friends with Brooke again and THEN have a romance.

Same with Sally & Liam.  I don't want Sally to be the cause of Steffy & Liam's demise and I would like the show to make it clear that Sally isn't the reason for Steffy & Liam's demise.  Of course, STEFFY will blame Sally for the demise of her marriage but that's because Steffy won't want to take responsibility for herself and her role ...that's fine.  Just don't give Steffy an actual valid reason to blame Sally for the demise of her marriage.

Since both actors are Australian, it might be nice to see Ivy & her cousin Thorne bond.  Ivy WAS one of the few people besides Charlie & Pam to befriend Ally.

[RuntheTable]

2 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

TPTB will mess it up. They have a good track record of wasting the potential of many a good pairing/storyline. 

One thing that would give me hope is if when Steam implodes, it's not just Liam blaming Steffy and his father, but him copping to his part in the saga of Steam and Lope and that he was too arrogant/caught up in Steffy's pull and pulled some dumb moves and vows to be better in the future. It makes him being more guarded with Sally and not wanting to jump into a rebound relationship allow for more anticipation and better foundation for Lally. Ivy languished pining for Liam while he was stuck on Hope and then fighting for him when Steffy returned and then pretzeled hooking up with Wyatt only to admit she still loved Liam.  Sally need not go that route.

The show needs to take their time with Liam and Sally so even if they don't work out as a long term couple, stupid mistakes aren't made on both sides where they can't be friends/allies later. Liam needs a gal pal to rally him when he starts to feel sorry for himself, be a conscience when he goes overboard going after Bill and Steffy, and a shoulder to lean on when he really needs it. Sally needs to realize she's transferred her white knight fixation from Thomas to Liam because she's still nursing a broken heart. Both need to be in much better places before they hit the sheets. Sally does not need to be a revenge hump for Liam.

Yes, yes, yes. I would love to see Sally and Liam begin organically and as friends. The foundation is already there; I think Liam enjoys Sally's company, and I think he also enjoys the fact that she appreciates "his kind" (Bill's words). 

1 hour ago, drivethroo said:

Same with Sally & Liam.  I don't want Sally to be the cause of Steffy & Liam's demise and I would like the show to make it clear that Sally isn't the reason for Steffy & Liam's demise.  Of course, STEFFY will blame Sally for the demise of her marriage but that's because Steffy won't want to take responsibility for herself and her role ...that's fine.  Just don't give Steffy an actual valid reason to blame Sally for the demise of her marriage.

And yes again. It is nice that Sally knows about Bill's involvement in the Spectra fire, but I really need her to learn the full truth. I want he to know that Steffy has known all along. I also want her to learn about the lie, and that Steffy not only knew about that, but actively supported it. Given all that information, and how Steffy has paraded herself into Sally's office with threats and insults, Sally should finally get the whole, big, clear picture of who, what and where Steffy Forrester really is. And I don't think she will boink Liam unless he is free. No, I think Bill and Steffy will get under the sheets and blow Liam's world wide open, and he will turn to Sally as a friend, because who else does he have? Wyatt? Ivy? And you are so correct; no matter what happens, it will be Sally's doing. Steffy can fuck Bill and turn up pregnant by him, but Steffy will still blame Sally for the demise of her marriage. 

[CountryGirl]

1 hour ago, drivethroo said:

Which is why CJ should have sold the building to Bill, with the contract stipulation that Sally is one of the tenants and gets free/reduced rent.  In fact, CJ & Sally 1.0 actually should've given half of the money they got to Sally, since they didn't maintain the building & let the insurance policy lapse.

I know it's water under the bridge (no pun intended) but it's always bugged that CJ got $50 million. 5. 0. 

And we're supposed to believe that he/Sally 1.0 needed every last penny of that???

[TobinAlbers]

5 minutes ago, RuntheTable said:

No, I think Bill and Steffy will get under the sheets and blow Liam's world wide open, and he will turn to Sally as a friend, because who else does he have? Wyatt? Ivy?

If I was Liam I would never trust Wyatt 100% about anything other than being an enabling support for Quinn. And Ivy should be dead to Liam after she befriended Quinn even after knowing about what Quinn did to him -which was facilitated due to a head injury sustained transporting Ivy's butt back to Australia.

Liam needs true friends. Sally hopefully will be that to him.

If Bill cuckolds Liam, I hope Kelly Cooper is cast to come back and haunt his ass like GhostJohn over on Y&R.

Edited October 10, 2017 by TobinAlbers

[Waldo13]

Shelia, they don't pay as well as I do?  Don't think about backing out. Quinn is going to cheat again and this time with you.  Shelia's lines are as ridiculous as she is.  Charlie does speak the truth but Shelia is too self absorbed to hear his words.  

Hey Mateo, I would take Eric's threat to heart much much more than Shelia's empty promise.  What's Mateo going to do?  Does he have a hidden camera, is going to tell Eric that he was complicit with Quinn's come on, or will he tell Shelia and let her handle the situation. In any case, Eric fucks him up the ass. Shelia should be fuck also but who knows with TIIC. 

Steffy is a firm believer in standing by her man but I'm not sure which man she's standing behind. 

How can Bill be that upset, with Brooke leaving him, when he's all about making a deposit in Steffy's vault?

[drivethroo]

All of this could be stopped if Charlie would just go to Eric and tell him the truth.

[Anna Yolei]

4 hours ago, drivethroo said:

Unlike Thomas, Liam is sticking around in Sally's time of need.

Never thought I'd read "Liam" and "sticking around" in the same sentence ?

In all seriousness, why didn't they just recast Thomas? They had great chemistry and it wouldn't have been the same , but they could've given Tally some better closure than they got....then set up a rivalry between Thomas and Liam, which would likely be an easier sell with a new face as Thomas. And most importantly, Steffy loses two men in her left to Sally. Everyone wins.

[TobinAlbers]

12 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

Never thought I'd read "Liam" and "sticking around" in the same sentence ?

In all seriousness, why didn't they just recast Thomas? They had great chemistry and it wouldn't have been the same , but they could've given Tally some better closure than they got....then set up a rivalry between Thomas and Liam, which would likely be an easier sell with a new face as Thomas. And most importantly, Steffy loses two men in her left to Sally. Everyone wins.

I think that'll be the first true test for Lally-  Thomas returns (either as a recast or PF returns) with a vengeance wanting to win Sally back; it comes out that Liam knew about the Carlolyin and it'll be a roadblock for them do Sally goes back to the first man who loved her and they'll see if the magic is still there or if their time has passed or if Sally realizes that Liam was the one who stayed. Also Thomas may want Sally to cut off Liam as a friend - especially since Steam is kaput and Sally is then caught between trying to start again with Thomas and still having feelings for Liam.  If Liam is still in power at Spencer they'd still have to have a business relationship which Thomas would hate. It'd be a good story for Lally if they want to push supercouple status.

[Anna Yolei]

2 hours ago, drivethroo said:

All of this could be stopped if Charlie would just go to Eric and tell him the truth.

But would Eric listen? As proven over and over again, going back to his first wedding attempt with a pregnant Brooke, once he gets his ego and...other things stroked, he can hardly be reasoned with. That he entertained Sheila for any length of time beyond the time it took LAPD to arrest her is proof enough that he's lost what few marbles he had.

[drivethroo]

16 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

In all seriousness, why didn't they just recast Thomas? They had great chemistry and it wouldn't have been the same , but they could've given Tally some better closure than they got....then set up a rivalry between Thomas and Liam, which would likely be an easier sell with a new face as Thomas. And most importantly, Steffy loses two men in her left to Sally. Everyone wins.

Because they need Thomas' and Zende's salaries to pay Ingo R.

PF was in the Soap Central saying "Thomas was going to be recast soon, they're recasting a key role."  Yes, Show was recasting a key role but it wasn't for Thomas, it was for Thorne.

Although Thomas & Sally had great chemistry, Thomas really isn't needed back right this minute.  Thomas is where he REALLY wants to be right now ... with Caroline.  He could've moved Caroline & Douglas to L.A. to spend her final months or made frequent trips to NYC to see them.  It's not like his family doesn't own their own jet.  And as soon as he learned Caroline was "recovering" he could've come back to Sally.  He chose not to, so it's his loss.  FC seems to be doing just fine without his (and Zende's) amazing design skills).

I wouldn't be surprised to hear Steffy or Ridge casually mention Thomas & Caroline got married in a private ceremony in NYC.

Liam + Sally actually has more storyline possibilities right now than Thomas + Sally. Thomas isn't necessary right now.

Sheila is truly delusional to think she's going to be the next Mrs. Eric Forrester.  Sheila looks like a frumpy middle aged matron.  Has she seen the women Eric marries?

• I'm sure Stephanie was hot back in the day when they were college students, but even in middle age Stephanie was elegant
• Brooke was young, hot & blonde
• Sheila (the first time around 20 years ago) was young & fresh
• Donna was young, hot & blonde
• While Quinn is middle aged, she is younger than Eric, very beautiful, elegant & not frumpy at all

And then you have Sheila, who looks like she's been shopping in the Blair catalog.  Even if Eric kicked Quinn to the curb, he wouldn't go back to Sheila.  He's more likely to pick up a hot model from Forrester or a hot waitress from Il Giardino than get back with Sheila.

And another thing: How does Sheila have stacks of cash to pay Mateo but she can't pay her Knights Inn hotel bill?  I know that's not tip money.

[RuntheTable]

Liam honey, it isn't your commitment that is in question here; but your slattern of a wife's. You were so honest and forthcoming with how you cut the trip short to honor Steffy's commands. But, was she as honest and forthcoming about her doin's? Did she correct you when you said "he came to see you again?" Nope. Nary a word of how she sought Bill out, and how she is supporting him by allowing him to rub her knee and pet her head and rain down all manner of compliments that are inappropriate when coming from a father-in-law. Oh, but Bill isn't just any father-in-law; Bill is a father-in-law in heat. When they showed Bill thinking back to his words of praise, I thought it was going to be a Brooke montage, and his grief over losing the love of his life, but alas, it was him lamenting Steffy's rough treatment at Liam's hands. And then we had to watch that wretched wench being all butt hurt cause Liam wants to set it right with Sally, and watching Liam misinterpreting her upset as jealousy, and suspicion that he might be dallying with Sally. Poor guy doesn't even realize that it has nothing to do with Sally, and has everything to do with Steffy losing her control over Liam, who is now the Big Man In The Saddle and is running the show like a boss. And Bill, can you explain where it is written that following your dreams, and having your own interests, and wanting to fulfill your life's goals, translates into disrespecting one's spouse? Seems to me that conspiring with and eye fucking your DIL is disrespecting your wife, the woman I now feel you do not deserve. Lay all the lip service you want to "I can't lose Brooke" because your eyes and your actions are telling a far different story. 

O.M.Fing.G.!!!! A massage room? Replete with candle light? Why not go the full country mile and add soft music and champagne? What is Mateo's plan anyway? Is he going to tape Quinn oohing and aaaahing? What will that prove without video of them actually doing the deed? That could be anything between Quinn's reaction to him hitting the right muscle, to watching him move her portrait over 3 inches to make sure it is perfectly centered over the fireplace mantle. And of course it means that Eric will leave Quinn. And of course it means that Eric will race right on over to Seedy Hotel and propose to Sheila. And what was Eric blathering to Mateo about how he takes a stern line with those that betray him? The hell? How many decades was Eric married to the Patron Saint of Betrayal? I think I might have seen him take Stephanie to task one to one times. Maybe. Stern line indeed!

The what-the-fuckery is strong here. I feel like I am being dumbed down. 

Edited October 11, 2017 by RuntheTable

[Anna Yolei]

5 minutes ago, RuntheTable said:

Liam honey, it isn't your commitment that is in question here;

Another first ?

6 minutes ago, RuntheTable said:

Poor guy doesn't even realize that it has nothing to do with Sally, and has everything to do with Steffy losing her control over Liam, who is now the Big Man In The Saddle and is running the show like a boss.

This, exactly. 

As others have pointed out, do they even really *like* one another? Steffy was egged on by her pathological mother for much of the ToD (who would have sacrificed even Steffy's pregnancy secret if she got to one up Brooke), Liam was once an idiot horndog who was desperate for sex that she was willing to give up and even mentioned how much happier he was with Ivy without Steffy and Hope's drama in his life.

Where is the love and romance? Even though every eighties supercouple became trash by the end of their respective series or currently garbage now, they all have iconic, genuine moments of love; Ridge chasing Taylor to St. Thomas, Victor and Nikki's first two weddings--hell, I will hold a special loathing of ATWT's Lilden until my last breath because the last few years made Joker and Harley look like Morticia and Gomez in comparision, but their teen years were the stuff that defined the genre.

Steam has Aspen (where Hope was locked in the gondola), there's Cabo (where Steffy was pulling sitcom antics to keep him from seeing Hope),  their second wedding (prompted only ny Liam's sensibilities that a child should have both parents) and the following miscarriage (caused by Steffy's poor judgement and after which Liam ran back to Hope before Steffy was halfway to LAX). Oh, wait--theyll akways have Cha Cha Cha! Wow, truly a love story for the ages! I'm so misty-eyed just thinking about it!

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*farts*

[MulletorHater]

12 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

Another first ?

This, exactly. 

As others have pointed out, do they even really *like* one another? Steffy was egged on by her pathological mother for much of the ToD (who would have sacrificed even Steffy's pregnancy secret if she got to one up Brooke), Liam was once an idiot horndog who was desperate for sex that she was willing to give up and even mentioned how much happier he was with Ivy without Steffy and Hope's drama in his life.

Where is the love and romance? Even though every eighties supercouple became trash by the end of their respective series or currently garbage now, they all have iconic, genuine moments of love; Ridge chasing Taylor to St. Thomas, Victor and Nikki's first two weddings--hell, I will hold a special loathing of ATWT's Lilden until my last breath because the last few years made Joker and Harley look like Morticia and Gomez in comparision, but their teen years were the stuff that defined the genre.

Steam has Aspen (where Hope was locked in the gondola), there's Cabo (where Steffy was pulling sitcom antics to keep him from seeing Hope),  their second wedding (prompted only ny Liam's sensibilities that a child should have both parents) and the following miscarriage (caused by Steffy's poor judgement and after which Liam ran back to Hope before Steffy was halfway to LAX). Oh, wait--theyll akways have Cha Cha Cha! Wow, truly a love story for the ages! I'm so misty-eyed just thinking about it!

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*farts*

 

Thanks for the walk down memory lane, Anna Yolei.  That's why I could never, ever take Lame and Stuffy seriously as love's young dream.  First of all, I never saw the chemistry and I've always believed that she fixated on Lame because (a) he saved her miserable life and (b) she couldn't have daddy and accepted Lame as the consolation prize.  Plus, there was the added bonus of sticking it to Hope, who was one of the "evil Logan wimmen." 

What Stuffy's stank-ho ass won't admit is that there's nothing like getting a little help from your friends to nab the guy who wouldn't have otherwise paid any attention to her beyond playing her savior.  At least Ridge actually took the time, energy and effort to romance Dr. Hayes before proposing to her in St. Thomas.  Admittedly, she did have a little--well a lot--of help from a powerful friend along the way.  But, unlike her daughter, Taylor had some professional accomplishments at a relatively young age and she at least had a moral compass and real compassion for others.  Unfortunately, she and Ridge gave birth to and subsequently reared a sociopath with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

As for "Steamless?"   I don't watch Lame and Stuffy, but I have to ask, did he ever make a real effort to romance her?  I vaguely recall them being on their way to Hawaii for their honeymoon, only to have Bill and Brooke with Will in tow, board the plane and head to Aspen.  From what little I managed to watch of the TOD, I could have sworn that most of Lame and Stuffy's time was spent with him ping-ponging back and forth between her and Hope and Stuffy scheming with her "good friend," Bill.  Even when KM left the show, I still didn't see this great love and romance with "Steamless."  Lame said all the right things but there was no real passion there other than her having an open-leg policy.

[maisie]

I've never had a massage, but even if I had, I doubt I would be moaning orgasmically all through it.

That Mateo is a cutie, though.  Somehow I feel like he's going to betray Sheila, and the sooner, the better. 

Why is Charlie constantly in Sheila's bedroom?

[Gam2]

And yet again, Brooke stands there while Bill goes on and on and on while she tears up. Can’t this woman speak? Tell him what you have to tell him and leave. I’m sick to death of watching her cry! Get a grip, stand up for yourself and take charge of your own damned life!!!

[Waldo13]

What's with all these God awful wigs and hairstyles.  Now Maya is affected. 

A moral Shelia says of Quinn.  Shelia is not only psychotic but a comedian. As soon as Mateo asked Quinn to turn over, I knew it was a fantasy.  TIIC are so predictable.  It's also predictable that Bill's apology should correct all his ills. 

[Gudzilla]

Beautiful words from (chastened) Bill to Brooke, too bad they came out 5 minutes after telling Justin "I'll Hurt Liam in ways he can't imagine."

 

I used to think Justin was smart. Now he's on board the "incredible Steffy" train.

[Anna Yolei]

2 hours ago, MulletorHater said:

As for "Steamless?"   I don't watch Lame and Stuffy, but I have to ask, did he ever make a real effort to romance her?

He made more of an effort than Zende. Does that count? ?

While the lack of romance has been in noticeable decline since the late 2000s,it stuck out like a sore thumb for the ToD because in most of his scenes Lame was there staring into outer space as though he were Ricky Recruit in his first day of military boot camp, and he just seemed to go with whoever was the least amount of headache that week. He'd just run back between them and they let it happen because their moron mothers encouraged it.

The only attempt he ever made at getting het attention was after Captive Cabin when his memory of her and Wyatt in bed was wiped clean and she'd moved on Wyatt. And "attempt" is too strong of a word for all the mewing and bellyaching about "Quinn's gonna fuck up, just you wait!" regardless of the very downplayed assault he suffered from.

So...basically no.

Their trips to the Rooftop Cafe are the only real dates I can remember in six fucking years.

[MulletorHater]

Okay...raise your hand if anyone really believed the words coming out of Bill's mouth?  Two or three weeks ago, I would have kind of believed it but the writers did such a thorough job of trashing Bill beyond recognition--and redemption--that I as a day one Brooke fan would have no problem if she simply walked away.  Especially since it hasn't escaped my notice that he spent more time with Skankerella and telling her that she was the "total package" or some other such nonsense.

I have purposely avoided reading the spoilers, but if Bill is going to go after Lame (um, when did he actually stop doing that?) then it is clear that Brooke isn't going to budge.  I guess Brill is truly over--just in time for nu-Thorne, I suppose.

While we got a Skankerella respite, I was none too thrilled to see her father and sometime brother.  As for Sludge and Slouchy--what Brooke chooses to do with Bill is really none of their business.  Just because Bill is behaving like a sociopathic piece of shit that doesn't mean that Brooke should wallow in a trough with a known pig and piglet just so they can perpetrate the delusion that they are fambly.

[Gam2]

I’m so sick of that child asking his dad about his mommy. Go back to school, kiddo. And mind your own damn business. When they want u to know something, they’ll tell you. 

[Anna Yolei]

Nearly every kid of divorcees I knew were either glad that they finally split up for good, or took advantage of the bitterness to go smoke, drink and/or sneak out with their friends.

God, RJ might be the lamest teenager this side of Carlton Banks. 

Edited October 11, 2017 by Anna Yolei

[Gam2]

Hey, Eric and Quinn. There are really fine spas in LA with really fantastic female masseurs working every day. They might even come to your house. The best massage I’ve ever had was by a woman in Huntsville, AL. I would never get a massage from a man. Just me feeling comfortable with a woman and not with a man when I’m naked under a towel. 

[mightysparrow]

12 hours ago, MulletorHater said:

 

Thanks for the walk down memory lane, Anna Yolei.  That's why I could never, ever take Lame and Stuffy seriously as love's young dream.  First of all, I never saw the chemistry and I've always believed that she fixated on Lame because (a) he saved her miserable life and (b) she couldn't have daddy and accepted Lame as the consolation prize.  Plus, there was the added bonus of sticking it to Hope, who was one of the "evil Logan wimmen." 

What Stuffy's stank-ho ass won't admit is that there's nothing like getting a little help from your friends to nab the guy who wouldn't have otherwise paid any attention to her beyond playing her savior.  At least Ridge actually took the time, energy and effort to romance Dr. Hayes before proposing to her in St. Thomas.  Admittedly, she did have a little--well a lot--of help from a powerful friend along the way.  But, unlike her daughter, Taylor had some professional accomplishments at a relatively young age and she at least had a moral compass and real compassion for others.  Unfortunately, she and Ridge gave birth to and subsequently reared a sociopath with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

As for "Steamless?"   I don't watch Lame and Stuffy, but I have to ask, did he ever make a real effort to romance her?  I vaguely recall them being on their way to Hawaii for their honeymoon, only to have Bill and Brooke with Will in tow, board the plane and head to Aspen.  From what little I managed to watch of the TOD, I could have sworn that most of Lame and Stuffy's time was spent with him ping-ponging back and forth between her and Hope and Stuffy scheming with her "good friend," Bill.  Even when KM left the show, I still didn't see this great love and romance with "Steamless."  Lame said all the right things but there was no real passion there other than her having an open-leg policy.

Well said!

In my opinion, the reason why Steam never worked was because they don't know each other.  Hope and Liam were friends before they fell in love.  They understood each other and LIKED each other.  The same with Ivy.  Ivy and Liam had a friendship before they became involved.  Liam didn't jump into the Seine to rescue Ivy because he was in love with her but because she was his friend. 

Liam and the Slattern were never friends.  After Fauxdi regained consciousness, she imprinted on Liam and it was 'cha cha cha'.  As far as Fauxdiloks was concerned the most attractive thing about Liam was the pain it would cause Hope if she (Fauxdi) fucked him.  That's not much to build a relationship on, even on the B&B. 

Baby Bell broke up Bill and Brooke because without an obstacle, Fauxdi and Liam don't have ANYTHING.  Have they ever even had a conversation?  Fauxdi is going to Bill, because Bill understands her and appreciates her.  Does Liam think Fauxdi is the complete package?  He prefers someone who has had some obstacles in life.  The only obstacle Fauxdi has had to face is a shortage of small furry animals in Malibu.

I think it sucks that Brooke and Bill broke up before they even had a proper honeymoon.  The only time I could stand $Bill was when he was with Brooke.  Without her, he's unbearable. It's clear Bill doesn't deserve Brooke.  He sure as shit deserves Steffy!  Now that Thorne is going to be tall, blonde and handsome, I'm hoping that Brooke finds her way back to the basement.

[CountryGirl]

I watched some of yesterday's show, specifically to see Brooke and Bill's conversation.

As I was listening to Bill's word's, I just shook my head because where even a few weeks ago, I would have bought every word. Now, I'm left thinking:

I'm sure Brooke is going to end things for good (whatever "for good" means in soap land) and Bill is going to take that as permission to fuck Fauxdi. I mean, they're already wet, might as well go swimming. 

Elsewhere, those needing a man candy fix got their wish.

[TobinAlbers]

17 hours ago, Gudzilla said:

Beautiful words from (chastened) Bill to Brooke, too bad they came out 5 minutes after telling Justin "I'll Hurt Liam in ways he can't imagine."

I just don't get how Bill rationalizes that Liam has earned this level of rage and world of hurt from his own father. Bill is literally shooting a marshmellow with a bazooka. And Justin and Steffy and Wyatt are encouraging him!

Had Liam stole Brooke and knocked her up and taken his company and publically humiliated Bill and slathered toddler Will with honey and left him for the bears to eat up at Big Bear THEN I could see Bill unleashing.

Liam hasn't earned this level of retribution from Bill. Especially since Bill was handed the company by HIS absentee daddy himself. He ain't built poop on his own. Delusions of grandeur. Just like Victor is being written with flairs of Trump, Bill seems to have veered into the kind of Bill logic you see with Trump as well. Paranoid and petty.

7 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

In my opinion, the reason why Steam never worked was because they don't know each other.  Hope and Liam were friends before they fell in love.  They understood each other and LIKED each other.  The same with Ivy.  Ivy and Liam had a friendship before they became involved.  Liam didn't jump into the Seine to rescue Ivy because he was in love with her but because she was his friend. 

Liam and the Slattern were never friends.  After Fauxdi regained consciousness, she imprinted on Liam and it was 'cha cha cha'.  As far as Fauxdiloks was concerned the most attractive thing about Liam was the pain it would cause Hope if she (Fauxdi) fucked him.  That's not much to build a relationship on, even on the B&B. 

Yep, and we're seeing it again with him and Sally in them being friends first before any kind of romance.

I think Steffy was supposed to represent the instant shot to the heart (or loins) or connection at first sight crap soaps like to pull sometimes. Steffy was supposed to have that 'IT' for Liam that Brooke had for Ridge. Brooke and Ridge did later become friends and establish a relationship but Steffy and Liam mainly remained horny acquaintances with benefits that both wanted to believe was love and a connection. If only Liam would remember all the times he and Steffy had friction, he'd realize it's due to them having very different priorities. Opposites can attract but it takes work to make it a lasting relationship and sometimes it doesn't happen.

[Anna Yolei]

On 10/12/2017 at 7:06 AM, TobinAlbers said:

Liam hasn't earned this level of retribution from Bill. Especially since Bill was handed the company by HIS absentee daddy himself. He ain't built poop on his own.

I don't get it either. I dunno why TIIC have gone this route to not only destroy Bill but to piss on his relationship with Liam as well like this. All this over a stupid ass building? Because Liam stood up to him bullying Sally the way he should have years ago with Hope? 

I hope we find out about Bill has a evil time traveling doppelganger who was just doing this to get McDonald Schezuan sauce, because it would make as much sense as anything else in this story so far.

As a side note, although I personally never loved Brill, I hate that Brooke has been Jack Abbott'd in all of this, barely even a factor as Stuffy and $Bill continue their emotional affair. As entirely out of the blue that Brooke/Thorne's split was, at least they were given a proper breakup that focused on them before Brooke went back to chasing Ridge and later fucking Deacon.

Edited October 13, 2017 by Anna Yolei

[RuntheTable]

Bill is being very confusing; if Brooke returns to him, then it is all good, but if she doesn’t, then he will annihilate Liam. What does that say exactly? The very idea that Bill could even be considering hurting his son is disturbing, but basing that on whether the wife he betrayed returns to him speaks to some mental imbalance. Does he not realize that going after Liam would eradicate any possibly of a reconciliation with Brooke? Or does he think she would somehow not find out about it. It is all just too messed up, and frankly, I want Brooke out of it. And I do believe that is what she is going to tell Bill.

So, here is my scenario:

Brooke breaks if off permanently with Bill and leaves the house. Bill saunters over to his liquor cart and starts firing away; enter Fauxdilok's fresh off her upsetting conversation with Liam. A now nearly drunk Bill encourages his poor, distraught DIL to join him, and they both become falling down drunk and they land somewhere; the couch, a chair, the floor; and fuck. They fall asleep and wake up a few hours later, and both feign horror at what has happened, but at the same time they can’t stop looking at each other, and wanting to repeat their actions. Steffy flees from Bill’s full of denial about her feelings for him. And of course, she will turn up in the family way.

Run Brooke, RUN! Run for your life my lovely!

Mateo had a little life in his eyes yesterday; it looked devious to me. Is there a clause in all the young hotties contracts requiring them to be shirtless a certain amount of time? It is just a question, not a complaint. I am an old woman who enjoys some eye candy. I noticed Mateo has really lovely hands. I wonder how he is an expert groundskeeper/landscaper/gardener when there wasn’t a speck of dirt under his fingernails? I don’t know, makes me wonder about:

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/dabc1ee7-f919-4c7f-ae6f-3d4963e0c262

I think Charlie has the secret hots for Sheila. 

Edited October 12, 2017 by RuntheTable

[nasir jones]

Is it wrong that I'm rooting for $Bill?  At least with him, whatever happens probably won't be boring and it will be well acted.

[maisie]

I'm so tired of the same dialogue over and over again - Steffi ad nauseum to Liam about Bill.  Why doesn't Liam ask his wife how she happens to know so much about how his father is feeling?

Brooke and Bill - Brooke and Ridge - they need some new people on this show.  A guy for Brooke, and a new woman for Bill and Ridge to fight over.  I'm tired of the same old stuff all over again - and I've only been watching the show three years.

Bill was giving me Harvey Weinstein vibes when he was telling Brooke she wasn't leaving his house.  Damn, girl - get MAD!  Throw some stuff around - smash some glasses - and storm out.  Where' s your moxie?  Also, PLEASE cut those limp lemon locks! It's making you look older than your age.

[MulletorHater]

24 minutes ago, maisie said:

I'm so tired of the same dialogue over and over again - Steffi ad nauseum to Liam about Bill.  Why doesn't Liam ask his wife how she happens to know so much about how his father is feeling?

Brooke and Bill - Brooke and Ridge - they need some new people on this show.  A guy for Brooke, and a new woman for Bill and Ridge to fight over.  I'm tired of the same old stuff all over again - and I've only been watching the show three years.

Bill was giving me Harvey Weinstein vibes when he was telling Brooke she wasn't leaving his house.  Damn, girl - get MAD!  Throw some stuff around - smash some glasses - and storm out.  Where' s your moxie?  Also, PLEASE cut those limp lemon locks! It's making you look older than your age.

The problem with these idiot writers is that they function like politicians who lie in real time or who took contradictory positions on certain issues a few years ago only to turn around now and say something else.  The problem is that there are always receipts--whether in writing, by video, or through social media that will contradict those lies. 

Just like with Throoke, Bricky and now Brill, we have our receipts.  They are all over the frigging internet thanks to YouTube and other people's private collections, which they have chosen to share.  The receipts are contained in soap magazines, which promoted these pairings.  The receipts are contained in the ratings that these pairings brought to B&B.  Plus, we have our own memories.  We know what we witnessed.  Yet, these idiots treat the audience they need as if we are either stupid, have Alzheimer's or are the victims of some mass hallucinations.  Even worse, they treat us as if we will buy the happy horse manure they shovel at us with no complaint.  It's downright insulting to be basically told that we shouldn't believe our lying eyes.  Nor, does it help that DD and KKL were out there promoting Brill as recently as August, indicating that the honeymoon was definitely not over for this couple and that they hoped the pairing would last for a considerable amount of time.  How do you trash a relationship that began organically 5 years ago between 2 people who couldn't stand each other?  All just to give a couple of superfluous actors something to do.  Yes, I'm especially looking at you, JMW.  It's bad enough that Brooke and Bill's relationship has been decimated, but so has Bill's relationship with his son, Liam.  It was one of the few organic and enjoyable father-son relationships that exist on this show.  But, PLOT, PLOT, PLOT!

Now, Brooke is back to ping-ponging between men, crying and not having any control over her life whatsoever.  In fucking 2017!  I think that's what I find most offensive of all about this mess.  The actress deserves so much better at this point.  What happened to the self-assured woman who told Bill months before that she was taking control of her life?  In fact, she first told him that she didn't even want to get married; she just wanted her and Bill to be together.  What happened to that woman?  And, am I to understand it that she brought up Bill's dumping Sludge's ass out of a helicopter as a factor--but she married Bill anyway?  It makes no sense whatsoever.  That is until you realize that Brooke married and/or was set to marry at least 3-4 times a man who sexually assaulted her in her own home while she was zonked out on Xanax.  And, her rapist did this after she told him to leave her home.  That this same man is even in her sphere with their unattractive kid and is being considered or teased as an option is simply mind-boggling. 

I remember years ago during Throoke, CBS' switchboards reportedly lit up because KKL got so into her scene with WH that she used an expletive ("goddammit, Thorne!") on television.  Apparently, she ad-libbed that line and Brad Bell refused to do a retake and offered to pay the FCC fine up front.  Wouldn't it be so satisfying if KKL broke out of character and told all the men in her life--including her GarBridge and Beric promoting sons--to back the FUCK off and give her some breathing room and ask how much more can a bitch take?  Hell, I would raise money to pay the fine my damn self if that happened.

[Waldo13]

How many times has Bill said that he will never do it again?  Leopard? Spots?  Enough said. Come on Steffy, tell Liam you will do your best Wonder Woman impersonation and protect him to the death.  Brooke can't forgive Bill because she really does have a conscience and a good heart where Steffy has neither.  Bill's rhetoric to Brooke only justifies my theory that Brooke is loved more as a possession than person. Bill says he loves Brooke but they only one he truly loves is himself. 

[La di Diva]

Dear Show,

Please, we beg you, do not resurrect GarBridge.

Please let Brooke remember forever and always that Sludge cheated on her the night before their wedding. Please let her remember forever and always he broke up with her on their honeymoon over a text message.  Please let our girl Brooke stand strong and remember forever and always all the times Sludge hurt her and left her. Please let her tell Sludge firmly and in no uncertain terms that she will never go back to him; they share history and a son but that is all.  Please let her repeat this as often as necessary.. Please do not let her do the coy smile when she says this so that Sludge knows she means it. If she has to physically push him away, please let her do that too.

If you're determined to break up Brill forever, please let our girl Brooke remain single for a good long while.  If she must have a new relationship, let it be a long slow rekindling with Thorne.  Start them out as the friends they always were and let them naturally, organically find their way back to each other.

Please let Brooke be happy for more than 3 months. After all these years she deserves a forever after romance.  Even Eric and Satanie eventually got a happy ending until her death.  Brooke has been looking for that happy ending for 30 years. We think she deserves it now. 

Please let Sludge gain a smidgen of self awareness and realize that playing kissy-face with Quinn ruined forever any chance at Destiny.  While you're at it let Slouchy Sludge Jr. get bored in Bell A and go back to school, or to Paris ..... or to blazes.  Just get him off the screen and out of his mother's love life.

Show, we ask so little of you.  Would you, could you do these small things for us, your faithful viewers?  We promise to be eternally grateful.

Signed,

Loyal B&B Watchers

Edited October 12, 2017 by La di Diva

[La di Diva]

Ya'll help me out here.  Bill is swearing hell fire, damnation and vengeance on Liam.  Ummm. ......... other than sexing up Steffy what exactly can he do to Liam?  Is ruining Steam the absolutely worst thing that could ever happen to Liam?

I suppose Bill could take away the beach house. Or have Liam kidnapped and imprisoned in South America somewhere. Or put out a contract and have him killed. Or burn down Spectra again, only this time with Sally in it.  Or fake his death and have Liam arrested for murder. Or have someone else killed and have Liam arrested for murder -- hit & run drunk driving anyone. Or do something horrible to Hope and/or Ivy.  There's always the Keyser Soze take out your whole family thing, But Liam has no family -- just Bill, Wyatt, and Will -- and we know Bill won't hurt his other sons.  All of these things are illegal and Bill might get caught.

Seriously, what can Bill do that will ruin Liam's life and put him in a world of hurt for a very long time?

[grisgris]

I think this show is coming pretty close to hitting rock bottom, if it already hasn't. I really don't know how the writers are going to resurrect these messes. Bill has become beyond redemption. I think the only person fit for him now is probably Sheila.* Ha! I think a one-and-done bang of Fauxdi is all he is looking for. After a ONS that will be enough and all he needs to get revenge on Liam. However, the spumors about a WTD SL are flying thick and furious.

I absolutely hate the total destruction of the Liam/Bill relationship and hell, Liam might now even care if Bill bangs Fauxdi. As it is, Liam acts like Steffy is an annoying gnat he's trying to swat away with her continued harping on "seeing Bill's POV." ITA when Liam questions Steffy about where her loyalties lie.

What I hate even more is just the blind assumption that Brooke will immediately return to Sludge. I'm glad she shut that down today but I am disappointed that she immediately ran from Bill's house straight to FC. Why else would she be going there other than to hopefully run into Ridge?  She could have gone home.  She could have gone to see Katie. She could have gone on a retail therapy spree, to a spa ... anywhere else other than to Sludge's orbit. I'd actually rather have seen her head to Il Gardino for one of their giant martinis.

Maybe it is time for KKL to put her foot down and insist to Brad Bell that she will not entertain GaBridge reunion #9,278. I think she put the kabosh on Brooke reuniting with either Nick or Deacon back in the day (I forgot which one.) Since she doesn't have a reputation of a diva (e.g. Hunter Tylo demanding specific SLs and circumstances for Taylor) on the show and wisely and strategically uses her influence, this might be the time to use it. The whole situation makes Brooke look weak and ridiculous.

*Having Sheila and Bill pair up for any reason could be advantageous. Let's say that Bill seeks Sheila out to do whatever he is planning to do to punish Liam. Whatever they get involved with backfires and Sheila could finally die. Bill would be redeemed forever in the Forrester's eyes and KB would be free to seek elected office for as many terms as she wants! WIN-WIN-WIN!!!

[Videnbas]

15 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

How many times has Bill said that he will never do it again?  Leopard? Spots?  Enough said. Come on Steffy, tell Liam you will do your best Wonder Woman impersonation and protect him to the death.  Brooke can't forgive Bill because she really does have a conscience and a good heart where Steffy has neither.  Bill's rhetoric to Brooke only justifies my theory that Brooke is loved more as a possession than person. Bill says he loves Brooke but they only one he truly loves is himself. 

I don't think Brooke not forgiving Bill has anything to do with her conscience or her good heart. That never stopped her before from doing what she wanted, or being with whom she wanted, or forgiving whom she wanted. No, I think the simple truth is that Brooke doesn't forgive Bill because she's just not all that into him. The chase is over, the excitement is gone.

[Anna Yolei]

On 10/10/2017 at 0:30 PM, RuntheTable said:

No, I think Bill and Steffy will get under the sheets and blow Liam's world wide open, and he will turn to Sally as a friend, because who else does he have? Wyatt? Ivy?

To be fair, no one on B&B has genuine friends. It's more like friends with mutural agendas (see also: Steph and Taylor).

But count me as someone who wants to see them as genuine friends first and not a revenge hump as someone else said upthread. I want Steam to implode unequivocally by Steffy's hand, so she can't blame anyone but herself--not that she won't spend the next year blaming Sally for stealing Not Quite As Lame like her grandmother spend thirty years blaming Brooke for stealing Eric, but there will be no question about anyone being robbed or manipulated.

Well, except for Steffy getting played by Bill, since she obviously hasn't wised up at all since Rick pulled the same crap. Oh, well.

[RuntheTable]

Well, the swords are off now! That was powerful, entertaining, disturbing and heartbreaking all at the same time. Don Diamont is on point, and although I hate the material, he is just bringing his A++++ game. I am with others lamenting the loss of Bill/Liam as dad, son and pals, but even though the dynamics of their relationship have changed, their chemistry is still there. I have to give Show credit; they are trying something entirely different; Liam as a Boss, Liam with Balls, Liam as a Force and at odds with his father, and for me it is working. It keeps Sheila and Nicole off my screen. It gives Scott Clifton something to do other than be Steffy’s little toy poodle, and is allowing him to sink his teeth into something meaty and different. And best of all; it is causing chaos and havoc in Steffy’s life, and is allowing one of the shows best, DD, to shine.

I am so proud of Brooke. The Brooke of twenty years ago would not have had the strength and courage to walk away. Hell, the Brooke of ten years ago wouldn’t have. Just look at how many times Ridge kicked her in the teeth, but she was always coming back to him, accepting his crumbs and considering herself lucky. She had no pride when it came to Ridge. So I see this as growth for the character, but only if she stays away from Ridge. And I want to applaud KKL here too. She is playing this as a woman who is just so fucking tired of the love game. A woman so fucking tired of loving and losing. When she went back to work and walked into the CEO office, she looked so dejected and alone. Come on Show, you have kicked Brooke around long enough. As an original player, and the character who was the nucleus of the show for more than twenty years, she deserves some peace, and some lasting happiness. And KKL has earned that with her commitment and loyalty to Show and TPTB.

[Anna Yolei]

16 hours ago, grisgris said:

Maybe it is time for KKL to put her foot down and insist to Brad Bell that she will not entertain GaBridge reunion #9,278. I think she put the kabosh on Brooke reuniting with either Nick or Deacon back in the day (I forgot which one.) Since she doesn't have a reputation of a diva (e.g. Hunter Tylo demanding specific SLs and circumstances for Taylor) on the show and wisely and strategically uses her influence, this might be the time to use it. The whole situation makes Brooke look weak and ridiculous.

It was Bricky BTW, and a huge part of that was because of the beating her character took for pursuing him after he'd married Bridget--three years after the Beacon shit went down.

But I am all for KKL saying no to this, and it would made all the better of TK backed her up. It's beyond obvious that he phones in 90 percent of their scenes together and would rather be working with someone else. Everyone wins.

9 hours ago, Videnbas said:

don't think Brooke not forgiving Bill has anything to do with her conscience or her good heart. That never stopped her before from doing what she wanted, or being with whom she wanted, or forgiving whom she wanted. No, I think the simple truth is that Brooke doesn't forgive Bill because she's just not all that into him. The chase is over, the excitement is gone.

Also a possibility.

Either scenario makes Brooke look stupid beyond her years. If Ridge needs to grow up and stop leaning on his upbringing as an excuse to be an entitled asshole, Brooke needs to use better judgement than "the heart wants what it wants." It was one thing to have her schlep Deacon in a moment of depression because her tricks didn't work on a happily married Ridge (which even at fifteen had me going "What The Fuck, Brooke?"); but to still do this crap at fifty years old?

I don't care how much of a sour poisonous Lemonhead Katie is or her own shady history with Nick. It was still shitty and said nothing good about Brooke's judgement. And that's before factoring the abuse Bill heaped on her own daughter and how he used her son's personal life for his own agenda twice, one of which got us hearing WE WUZ WOBBED FOR months on end, oh my God fuck you for that Bill caused a rift between Hope and Rick for months.

Edited October 13, 2017 by Anna Yolei