Ash Vs Evil Dead - General Discussion

[formerlyfreedom]

Deadites are no match for our hero, but the Sheriff is, when Ash is brought up on charges. Ruby, Kelly, and Pablo go to break him out, but they discover some people are not who they seem to be. There's a new evil in town.

[nodorothyparker]

I'm a little disappointed this episode is getting no love, but it's probably not surprising given what other gorefest returned Sunday night.  An almost 60-year-old Ash vs. the Evil Possessed Delta in a flaming demolition derby ring was some legitimately great TV. 

[rcc]

I thought it was a very good ep. How about Ted Raimi as Chet saying to Lucy as Ruby, "Hey Slim, Wanna Pink F__k without the Pink." Lucy's facial expression was so funny. Ted was asked in an interview about coming back for season 3 and he said "It's up to Rob."

Bruce as usual is the best. I like the Kelly/Ruby characters together.

[Morrigan2575]

I really enjoyed this episode although i kind of hated the ending.  It seems like Pablo was duped into releasing Baal. 

I liked the Ruby/Kelly team up.  It was really cool to see them working together and kicking ass.

The Chet/Ash scenes were great as well. I like Chet as an addition. Hopefully they don't kill him off.  

One thing i really like is how the show mixes and matches the characters. It's always fun to change up the dynamic 

[nodorothyparker]

I love that they inadvertently created a portal to hell in the trunk of the car.  That seems oddly right.  Poor Pablo, first forced to give birth to demons and now being tricked into releasing their father??

It's funny to me that I often found Ted Raimi annoying on Xena (I know we were kind of supposed to) and just wanted him off the show and now here I want him to stay forever.  Chet is Ash if the Necronomicon and everything that went with it had never happened and he'd stayed in their small town.

[rcc]

To me Ted was the comic relief as Joxer in Xena. Here he is the wise ass accompaniment to Ash. I hope Ted stays for the entire run of this series.

Edited October 26, 2016 by rcc

[Ceindreadh]

S2 ep 5 Promo

Yay, I've been waiting for

Baal/Joel Tobeck

to show up!

[ganesh]

I think Pablo got tricked too. Given the circumstances they just were in though, I can't say they made a dumb move. It seemed like the sensible thing to do. 

Kelly steals all her scenes for me. 

[tennisgurl]

Poor Pablo. Dude just has the worst luck ever. 

Another really enjoyable episode. I know TWD gets all the press, and I am still a definite TWD fan, but this is my favorite gore filled horror fest on TV.

Liked the Ruby/Kelly team up a lot, and Bruce has been killing it this season. Even more than usual. 

[Kel Varnsen]

On ‎2016‎-‎10‎-‎19 at 2:52 PM, ganesh said:

When Ash was fantasizing about the car, I thought they showed a clip from AOD where he and the car landed in the past. 

I am pretty sure that Ash and the Delta (aka the Classic) falling from the sky was from ED2. Then again that car has been in pretty much every movie Sam Raimi has directed (and Bruce has been in most too), so I wondering if they pulled footage from other movies too.

 

On ‎2016‎-‎10‎-‎17 at 5:45 PM, Ceindreadh said:

BTW, anybody else see the TV screen in the back of the bar was showing some cartoon/advert for 'Shemps'?

In the previous episode you saw old beer signs in Ash's room for Shemps malt liquor. Fake Shemp was a term coined by Sam Raimi.

[Bruinsfan]

I am not impressed by Baal. Eligos was much more impressive and otherworldly last season.

[nodorothyparker]

Something about this episode just didn't hold my attention as much as most of its predecessors.  It felt very claustrophobic and not in a way that really worked for me storywise.  This may have been the first episode in either season I caught myself checking the clock.  Baal did feel like he wasn't quite living up to Ruby's hype, although I realize he may still get better.

The skin peeling and wearing the skin suits of dead people was positively revolting. 

[rcc]

I thought Baal was scary and brutal. When he was choking Ruby and when he gave his maggot speech his eyes were pure evil.

[formerlyfreedom]

An angry mob corners Ash and the team in Brock's house while Ruby tries to summon the spell to send Baal back to hell. Ash finally proves to the townsfolk he is not a murderer but a hero, when a familiar deadite comes for him.

[Dewey Decimate]

"You have five."

"I have eight, but know how to make it feel like five!"

And I snorted tea through my nose. Oh Ash, you foxy old idiot.

[taanja]

This show is bloody fun!

[taanja]

On ‎10‎/‎26‎/‎2016 at 11:29 PM, tennisgurl said:

Poor Pablo. Dude just has the worst luck ever. 

Another really enjoyable episode. I know TWD gets all the press, and I am still a definite TWD fan, but this is my favorite gore filled horror fest on TV.

Liked the Ruby/Kelly team up a lot, and Bruce has been killing it this season. Even more than usual. 

He's the Xander -- the syphilis getting/bug eating/butt monkey of Ash V Evil Dead. Someone has to be the character that all the bad shit happenes to and Pablo is just the guy!

[KirkB]

I was never too impressed by Strife on Hercules (though to be fair he was always in scenes with Kevins Smith and Sorbo, so...) but as Baal Joel Tobeck showed he can do menacing and creepy.

[Morrigan2575]

Not Chet! Damn you show.

Really liked this one, except for that one surprise. 

I enjoyed what little we got to see of Baal.

[raven]

"They're coming to take me away, haha"  I haven't heard that song in yearrrrs.   I used to have an album (I'm old) with that and a bunch of other odd songs (like "The Witch Doctor").

Is Baal kind of dull or is it me?  I'm with Ash, nothing better happen to Pablo.  Kelly rocks.  This season seems extra bloody and to be spinning its wheels a bit.  Sorry to lose Chet.

Still fun though.

Edited November 7, 2016 by raven

[Dewey Decimate]

"You look so different... what happened to you?"

"......pancakes?"

I want the writers of this show to write for every frickin' comedy ever.

[formerlyfreedom]

Ash wakes up in an asylum and a seemingly helpful doctor tries desperately to get him to admit his horrific acts so his healing can begin. Ash's world seems to crumble around him. Was this all in his head? Is he really Ashy Slashy?

[ganesh]

Kelly yelling at the townspeople killed me.

[Bruinsfan]

I assume it was Baal's influence that kept that gun-brave mob entrenched after someone started firing automatic weapons at them. In real life, I'd imagine they'd have scurried away with their tails between their legs.

[Morrigan2575]

I really,  really liked this episode.  It was darker and more dramatic than the other episodes but, still had a taste of camp to it.  I loved puppet Ashy Slashy. 

[nodorothyparker]

Dammit, show.  You keep running and running with the so far not very well drawn Baal but we lose Chet?  

There was almost too much going on in this episode but I did get a huge kick out of the resurrection of Cheryl.  "Tree banged."  Yes, that's one way of putting it.

[nodorothyparker]

I liked this a lot too even if I was having trouble at times trying to figure out what was going on.  The atmosphere and set design were amazing and you really got the sense that Bruce Campbell and Dana DeLorenzo were having a lot of fun with it.  This actually could have made a great end for the entire series in finding out that every last bit of this has been entirely in Ash's head for 30 years.  

Edited November 14, 2016 by nodorothyparker

[raven]

More Ashy Slashy please!!

On 11/14/2016 at 9:35 AM, nodorothyparker said:

Bruce Campbell and Dana DeLorenzo were having a lot of fun with it.

They were both so good here.   Very entertaining episode and I finally appreciated Baal as a villain, creepy doctor is the worst. 

[formerlyfreedom]

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Ash, distraught about losing Pablo is determined to bring him back! Ruby and Kelly tag along as they travel back in time to make sure Young Ash never sees the Necronomicon. But the butterfly effect they create is something no one can believe!

 

[Morrigan2575]

Oh this is all going to go so wrong.

It's funny at the end of the last episode I was hoping for an undo. Now, that they attempted it, I'm kind of hoping it doesn't work. I love Pablo and really don't want to see him gone.

However, I don't want a quick fix...of course this is Ash vs Evil Dead, it's more likely to screw things up then fix them. Still, I'm torn. I actually really enjoyed this episode with Ruby/Kelly team up, while Ask was off fighting the house.

[formerlyfreedom]

Ash, Ruby and Kelly battle the past to secure a future where Pablo is alive and the world is safe from evil, but the family from hell has other plans.

[charmed1]

I always DVR this so I can ffwd through the scary parts. Which always leaves me with just 10 minutes to watch. So I have no idea who the people/deadites were inside the house. I'm such a wuss. 

[rcc]

It made me nervous watching Ruby and Kelly with those trees. Maybe some people wanted the show to go there, but I'm glad they didn't.

[Morrigan2575]

I thought this was a great episode. The chainsaw fight was awesome. I loved that Ash got his hand back only to lose it again. We also had evil 80s Ruby kill reformed Ruby. Finally Pablo's back, I'm iffy on this one,.I.feel kind of cheated that they raised the stakes only to fakeout two deaths (I'm counting Ruby since some version is still around)

I'm a little confused on the ending. I get that whatever magic Ruby worked faked the Ash's reward. They're trapped in a fake happy ending. However, what I'm uncertain on is if Ruby faked it to save Baal or if this was her repayment over the male ego. Did Ruby betray Baal and break the deal so that she's the only victor?

[charmed1]

I braved it out and watched after the credits rolled. That ugly little book just won't quit! It's good to have Pablo back. And I crack up every time Ash calls Baal, "Bill." 

[Bruinsfan]

That was my impression, Morrigan. That Future Baal making the decision to wager everything on the fight with Ash without consulting Ruby was like a bucket of cold water in her face, and she double-crossed him by enforcing the deal so that he lost and got banished.

It looked like she got dragged down to Hell too, but the we've seen her manage a pretty quick escape on her own in Season 1.

What I'm confused about is the apparent lack of changes in the present. Wouldn't people who died as a consequence of Ash's original encounter with the Necronomicon and subsequent adventures, like Cheryl, Brock, and Chet, still be alive rather than ghosts?

[Matt K]

I liked most of the episode but it felt rushed and the ending (which I did not like) came out of literally nowhere.  Apparently this was the episode over which the current show runner left due to creative differences so I guess being a bit of a mess isn't too surprising.  

[Morrigan2575]

Oh wow. I didn't even know the show runner left.

I thought the abrupt ending was deliberately done to show that there's something wrong with this perfect ending. 

It was definitely an odd ending

Edited December 12, 2016 by Morrigan2575

[rcc]

Yes, Craig left and here is the interview. Interesting reading and his idea for the season 2 ending is also very interesting.        

http://www.avclub.com/article/craig-digregorio-leaving-ash-vs-evil-dead-and-orig-247262         

[maraleia]

I found myself going through the motions watching this season and the same can be said for Blunt Talk. I'm really culling my TV watching and this show and Blunt Talk are going on the delete from DVR list.

[Skyfall]

They likely will be cancelled. This one won't matter as much but I'll hate losing Blunt Talk.

[formerlyfreedom]

It was announced at New York ComicCon that the show had been renewed for a third season, and has been discussed in the Media topic.

[Bruinsfan]

18 hours ago, rcc said:

Yes, Craig left and here is the interview. Interesting reading and his idea for the season 2 ending is also very interesting.        

http://www.avclub.com/article/craig-digregorio-leaving-ash-vs-evil-dead-and-orig-247262         

I completely get where DiGregorio is coming from regarding the clash with Tapert, and agree with him about the overall tone of the show. But I loathe the main idea he was building to with Kelly. That had a very good chance of ruining her character in my eyes.

Edited December 13, 2016 by Bruinsfan

[Morrigan2575]

21 minutes ago, Bruinsfan said:

I completely get where DiGregorio is coming from regarding the clash with Tapert, and agree with him about the overall tone of the show. But I loathe the main idea he was building to with Kelly. That had a very good chance of ruining her character in my eyes.

Yeah, I hate that idea of Kelly being Ash's daughter and a DiD.

This finale was abrupt and confusing. I can make sense of the ending by assuming it's some sort if vision/dream world that Ash/Kelly/Pablo are trapped in by Ruby's magic.

I can't make sense of Pop Williams turning into a chainsaw.

[ganesh]

Why were the ladies so against Ash making money off sports gambling? That's the first thing I'd do. 

The whole scene in the cabin was just a clinic in physical acting for BC. 

That whole fight with the tree was brilliant. 

[ganesh]

I watched 9 and 10 back to back. That was a lot of action! 

I did like that the plan to go back in time was a gambit by "Bill." The slapsticky fighting was actually a good fit for the show and really fun. I mean, chainsaw fight?! Yes please. I feel like Ash should have known he was going to cheat though. 

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Yeah, I hate that idea of Kelly being Ash's daughter and a DiD.

This is a terrible idea. I liked that Kelly was a basically a normal young woman who stepped up. I don't mind that it's only Ash in the book and that's enough of a mystery to keep the show going. 

[rcc]

Here's an update to Craig's interview.      

http://www.avclub.com/article/craig-digregorio-leaving-ash-vs-evil-dead-and-orig-247262                                 

[Morrigan2575]

Same article. The original link was updated with the additional note.

[Kel Varnsen]

The ending was kind of a mess with them  getting back to the future and the timeline not totally being rewritten and the Jedi ghosts. Also the whole thing with people telling Kelly she was more powerful than Ash and nothing coming of it was odd.

That said the ending was better than  the idea of Kelly becoming Ash's daughter. Especially since we met her parents. Also also as far as the interview link above goes, I'm  with Tapert, the colon deadite didn't really work for me.

[Ceindreadh]

10 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

The ending was kind of a mess with them  getting back to the future and the timeline not totally being rewritten and the Jedi ghosts. Also the whole thing with people telling Kelly she was more powerful than Ash and nothing coming of it was odd.

That said the ending was better than  the idea of Kelly becoming Ash's daughter. Especially since we met her parents. Also also as far as the interview link above goes, I'm  with Tapert, the colon deadite didn't really work for me.

The fact that nothing seems to have changed in respect of the timeline made me think that this was all in Ash's head. I mean, I can see Ash thinking that the only changes would be Pablo being alive and him being a hero. But in reality the timeline should be totally messed up. They didn't mention how they got back to the present, did they?

i was expecting the post credits scene to be a reveal that Ash was being manipulated by Ruby into imagining all this. Maybe S3 will go that direction.