Spoiler Discussion Thread

[lemotomato]

A lot of it sounds like rehashed WM word salad, unfortunately. The only interesting/new bit is the part about Digg, Felicity, and Slade being important in the final battle in the tweet you posted.

Edited May 10, 2017 by lemotomato

[Mellowyellow]

Can Oliver recover from IdiotSpawn dying you reckon?

I know the kid is probably the safest character but they've botched him up and written him to be such a moron, it would be excellent if they can kill him and his equally dumbass mother off. 

[Morrigan2575]

That's the only thing I thought was new/interesting from the EW article.

[calliope1975]

5 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

Can Oliver recover from IdiotSpawn dying you reckon?

I know the kid is probably the safest character but they've botched him up and written him to be such a moron, it would be excellent if they can kill him and his equally dumbass mother off. 

Doubtful, but I admit, I was hoping he was the body encased in concrete. #darkcalliope

I already have a condo waiting for me in hell. 

[insomniadreams88]

Too bad they can't send Samantha and William off to witness protection on another Earth. 

[leopardprint]

Need a roommate, @calliope1975?

I could interpret the leaving the past behind and a new legacy as the kid dying but that's wishful thinking. 

However, I think Oliver's lowest point was when Moira died so giving WM benefit of the doubt (hahahahahaha) what could happen that is worse than that? 

I mean the kid has no actual presence is his life but I do think Oliver would probably feel so guilty he couldn't recover from that. 

6 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

Too bad they can't send Samantha and William off to witness protection on another Earth. 

Black Siren Redemption Arc! Beloved by all the Arrow fandom. 

Edited May 10, 2017 by leopardprint

[Mellowyellow]

I will start a BS fansite if she kills Idiotspawn for me. 

[Guest]

Sigh. I'm really not a fan of season finale cliffhangers tbh.

[lemotomato]

I'll take BM, William, and even Malcom Merlyn as regulars on the show over BS/KC any day. At least they're supposed to be relevant to Oliver's story.

Edited May 10, 2017 by lemotomato

[Guest]

As long as Felicity, Diggle and Thea are safe, I don't care who dies tbh. But I could've done without going into this hiatus on a cliffhanger. Welp!

The season finale still sounds overpacked to me though? There are a lot of characters and they still have to wrap up the flashbacks. It has the potential to be a bit messy, IMO.

[leopardprint]

Since Diggle/Felicity are supposed to play an important part in the finale, I wonder if there is a tech component to Chase's plans and that's why they showed the stupid arcade gag? Or WM is just overstating their usual finale role. 

Edited May 10, 2017 by leopardprint

[Morrigan2575]

Deaths: Merlyn, Chase, Captain Boomerang and Artemis.

Ahhh super shocking and deeply impactful. How brave. ?

[MuuMuuChainsmoker]

Y'all have been doing a great job of keeping it civil in this thread recently.  It makes your friendly mod happy.  :)

To celebrate: 

[ComicFan777]

...maybe Dig/Felicity playing a big role in the finale could be something like the S2 scenario where they out-think Chase - Chase thinks that Slade would turn on TA, Slade plays into that (then we find out that Slade schemed with Felicity and Dig all along to trick Chase)...

[way2interested]

2 minutes ago, leopardprint said:

Since Diggle/Felicity are supposed to play an important part in the finale, I wonder if there is a tech component to Chase's plans and that's why they showed the stupid arcade gag? Or WM is just overstating their usual finale role. 

Felicity played a key role in 223 just by being part of the plan to outsmart Slade and by stabbing him with a syringe. It'll probably be something like that.

[BkWurm1]

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We’re going to go out on a big cliffhanger, so that part is definitely going to be helping us galvanize the premiere. [Of season 6]

Could they defeat Chase only to find out that William is still missing?  Maybe BS or Slade takes off with him?  I'd be for it since frankly, I wouldn't really care, lol.  But the show runners might consider it a big deal.  

The other thing I found interesting the interview is that it sounds like come next season, GA's legacy will still be a mess.  That could mean the outing of Oliver as GA (and leave him in jail for the summer?) or just that he's still on the cop's most wanted list. (Please be the later).  Also, we've had hints that next season Felicity will probably look into her own legacy aka her own company.  I wonder if that means at the start of the season she will be feeling sort of redundant on team Arrow, at least for every day stuff.  I do want her to be able to build something on her own, but I don't want her time on the team reduced. But I'll try to leave the concern for at least until after this season's finale, lol.  

[Mellowyellow]

4 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

Could they defeat Chase only to find out that William is still missing?  Maybe BS or Slade takes off with him?  I'd be for it since frankly, I wouldn't really care, lol.  But the show runners might consider it a big deal.  

The other thing I found interesting the interview is that it sounds like come next season, GA's legacy will still be a mess.  That could mean the outing of Oliver as GA (and leave him in jail for the summer?) or just that he's still on the cop's most wanted list. (Please be the later).  Also, we've had hints that next season Felicity will probably look into her own legacy aka her own company.  I wonder if that means at the start of the season she will be feeling sort of redundant on team Arrow, at least for every day stuff.  I do want her to be able to build something on her own, but I don't want her time on the team reduced. But I'll try to leave the concern for at least until after this season's finale, lol.  

How about we have scenes of her building her own empire during the day next season and at night she comes home for Oliver cuddles or helps in out in the bunker. 

Not thrilled about a cliffy either but yes IdiotSpawn vanishing somewhere would be awesome. Only down side is Oliver will be too stressed to flirty flirt with Felicity if IdiotSpawn is still missing.

Will be thrilled if they kill off BM and send IdiotSpawn to Europe to live with long lost relatives or grandparents. 

@MuuMuuChainsmoker Loving your positive parenting techniques on us =P

Edited May 10, 2017 by Mellowyellow

[LeighAn]

I remember people thinking that Felicity would be isolated last season too with her CEO role but the show managed to balance the story out with her traditional team arrow role so I think her starting her own company would play like a b or c role in the story at most.

[MuuMuuChainsmoker]

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@MUUMUUCHAINSMOKER Loving your positive parenting techniques on us =P

I'm all about excuses to look at cute animals.  :P

[statsgirl]

A cliff-hanger with William missing has all the excitement of the ER cliffhanger of whether Pratt and Chen (the two most disliked characters) would survive their car going into the lake.  I know I'd be rooting for William to stay gone.

I hope they learned this season that isolating Felicity from Oliver and Team Arrow does not do good tings to the reviews and ratings.

2 hours ago, lemotomato said:

The only interesting/new bit is the part about Digg, Felicity, and Slade being important in the final batter in the tweet you posted.

I feel bad for Thea fans if Slade is more important than she is.

[way2interested]

4 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

The other thing I found interesting the interview is that it sounds like come next season, GA's legacy will still be a mess.  That could mean the outing of Oliver as GA (and leave him in jail for the summer?) or just that he's still on the cop's most wanted list. (Please be the later).  Also, we've had hints that next season Felicity will probably look into her own legacy aka her own company.  I wonder if that means at the start of the season she will be feeling sort of redundant on team Arrow, at least for every day stuff.  I do want her to be able to build something on her own, but I don't want her time on the team reduced. But I'll try to leave the concern for at least until after this season's finale, lol.  

To me, it sounds like next season's theme will be "rebuilding," which could apply to all the main characters, if you think about it. Oliver has to rebuild the GA reputation, Felicity will try to rebuild her own legacy through Smoak Tech, Olicity rebuild their romantic relationship, Diggle has to rebuild his relationship with Lyla and/or maybe his lifestyle as both a family man and vigilante, Curtis in a similar stance by trying to rebuild himself as a vigilante while trying to get Paul back, Thea rebuilding herself after coming back and whatever happens after Malcolm's death, Rene has to rebuild things with his kid, Dinah probably will have to rebuild things concerning her past (and BS probably connected to that), Lance....eh? something connected to Black Siren?

[LeighAn]

I like rebuilding as a theme! It fits and the writers like choosing a one word theme.

[leopardprint]

23 minutes ago, LeighAn said:

I remember people thinking that Felicity would be isolated last season too with her CEO role but the show managed to balance the story out with her traditional team arrow role so I think her starting her own company would play like a b or c role in the story at most.

That's a good point and Curtis is so much better as the straight man to Felicity, so they can both be in that storyline. She spent almost the whole season in the bunker and seemed way more isolated then when she was CEO. I vastly prefer her spending more time with her own storyline then trapped in the lair. 

Edited May 10, 2017 by leopardprint

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, BkWurm1 said:

The other thing I found interesting the interview is that it sounds like come next season, GA's legacy will still be a mess.  That could mean the outing of Oliver as GA (and leave him in jail for the summer?) or just that he's still on the cop's most wanted list. (Please be the later).  Also, we've had hints that next season Felicity will probably look into her own legacy aka her own company.  I wonder if that means at the start of the season she will be feeling sort of redundant on team Arrow, at least for every day stuff.  I do want her to be able to build something on her own, but I don't want her time on the team reduced. But I'll try to leave the concern for at least until after this season's finale, lol.  

I'm hesitant to trust anything Wendy says. She's the one who told us about the "real feelings' that Oliver and Susan have and how important Billy was to Felicity. But what I could pull out of that word salad is :

• I think Oliver’s finally going to find a way to do what he’s been trying to do all season and put the past behind him.
• [Chase's]  going to pull out one final, big whammo at the end that is going to really leave Oliver reeling and raise a lot of questions. I think Oliver is going to come down on the right side of that question, but not without a lot of risk and a lot of potential heartache
• He’s going to have to, in some ways, let go of all of this, and let go of the past. Really the answer to that question will be in the premiere of season 6, which is how is he going to start rebuilding and what is his new legacy going to look like? He’s going to have to start rebuilding, because Chase has left pretty much everything in tatters.
• What we’re really trying to do is set up a new dynamic in season 6. [snip] where all the characters are is an opportunity to redefine and for everybody to look back, reflect, and then start to look forward about where they want to go and where do they have the most impact in our lives? How are they going to be the best heroes they can be?

I'm hoping that since Chase has been outed as a killer it  means that any anti-GA feeling will be blamed on Chase and Oliver won't have to out himself as the Green Arrow.

I don't see why Mayor Oliver has been left in tatters but maybe we'll find out in the next episode that Chase has ruined the reputation of Robert and all the Queen family.

I agree it's a chance for all the characters to redefine themselves, but how many times have we been told that about Diggle and Felicity, that they will get their own storylines, and it took till 5B to get that for Felicity. I don't think Diggle has really had one of his own yet because Andy was too much about Oliver.

[BkWurm1]

4 hours ago, Mellowyellow said:

How about we have scenes of her building her own empire during the day next season and at night she comes home for Oliver cuddles or helps in out in the bunker. 

Not thrilled about a cliffy either but yes IdiotSpawn vanishing somewhere would be awesome. Only down side is Oliver will be too stressed to flirty flirt with Felicity if IdiotSpawn is still missing.

 

I'd love your plan for Felicity.  

And if Oliver is not up for flirty flirt, she can make him feel better other ways.  ;)

4 hours ago, LeighAn said:

I remember people thinking that Felicity would be isolated last season too with her CEO role but the show managed to balance the story out with her traditional team arrow role so I think her starting her own company would play like a b or c role in the story at most.

I think once they got her building her own company, they'd balance how she's used but I can envision them writing her in the first half of the season as feeling like she's not essential or replaceable so that she then starts to look for something more she can do and that's the stage I don't want.  If they limited it to just an episode, I'd live but given how long it took to get to her arc this year, I shudder just a little bit.  

Of course, I could be bribed with lots of Olicity in the mean time, lol.   

Edited May 10, 2017 by BkWurm1

[Mellowyellow]

16 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

I'd love your plan for Felicity.  

And if Oliver is not up for flirty flirt, she can make him feel better other ways.  ;)

I think once they got her building her own company, they'd balance how she's used but I can envision them writing her in the first half of the season as feeling like she's not essential or replaceable so that she then starts to look for something more she can do and that's the stage I don't want.  If they limited it to just an episode, I'd live but given how long it took to get to her arc this year, I shudder just a little bit.  

Of course, I could be bribed with lots of Olicity in the mean time, lol.   

Umm wouldn't he be too stressed for that too?

Or are you thinking to relieve stress?

I could be bribed with loooots of Olicity too! I'm cheap like that!

[bijoux]

Latest spoilery Tumblr answers from Guggenheim.

521:

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forgetabouttheory asked:

Hello Marc!!! I wanted to know if you had any plans to bring back Queen Consolidated in the future?

Not in the way you imagine.  But 521 is close…

 

522:

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lovaticmili asked:

can you give us an olicity dialogue from Oliver's party? I can't wait to die !!!

“Kick everyone out of here so I can ravage you.”

(This line may or may not have been cut from the final episode.)

smoakingarrow25 asked:

Is the team, led by Felicity of course, gonna sing for Olivers birthday? And how huge cake is he getting?

No singing, but the cake is AWESOME.

 

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optickaliber asked:

How close do the shots in the season finale match up with the pilot?

Pretty darn close.

all-things-interesting-tome asked:

Two truths and a lie about Thea in 523 please?

Thea has a commanding moment.

Thea gives Black Siren a hug.

Thea questions Oliver’s judgment.

 

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cinfos asked:

Simple yes or no question. Will we find out how Chase new about William and his location by the end of the season?

 No.

 

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smoakingarrow25 asked:

Are Alena and mysterious Helix leader coming back in s6?

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[Velocity23]

I am not sure William gets taken ... at least due to these answers.

[BkWurm1]

13 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

Umm wouldn't he be too stressed for that too?

Or are you thinking to relieve stress?

I could be bribed with loooots of Olicity too! I'm cheap like that!

In my scenario, I was thinking there would be downtime eventually since the kid would be missing for at least five months or so .  (Don't feel bad about the length of his kidnapping.  Call it William's island, lol.  Maybe it would sharpen up the little crayon. ) 

7 minutes ago, Velocity23 said:

I am not sure William gets taken ... at least due to these answers.

I get your hesitation but I just can't figure out what Chase would be doing with Samantha then.  Sure. Oliver would prefer the kid didn't lose his mom but it's a pretty low stake move for Chase (and the audience)

[Velocity23]

My guess is they get taken at the end of 5x22. 

[bijoux]

Have a kid be missing for so long isn't really Arrow's MO, I think. They played fast and loose with Artemis, but she's an older teen. I don't think they'll do that with a 10-year-old.

[Mellowyellow]

I was so excited about the dialogue tease until Twitter pointed out that it's probably Felicity to cake. 

Which makes me love her even more because she likes cake but still *sigh*

[Velocity23]

2 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

I was so excited about the dialogue tease until Twitter pointed out that it's probably Felicity to cake. 

Which makes me love her even more because she likes cake but still *sigh*

wasnt the question about olicity dialogue?

[Mellowyellow]

Just now, Velocity23 said:

wasnt the question about olicity dialogue?

Hmm good point!

*prays they won't cut it*

Could be Felicity saying it to cake with Oliver thinking it's to him. I'd take that too!

[BkWurm1]

19 minutes ago, bijoux said:

Have a kid be missing for so long isn't really Arrow's MO, I think. They played fast and loose with Artemis, but she's an older teen. I don't think they'll do that with a 10-year-old.

Yeah, I know you are right but I liked the dream. If it makes it any better, I dreamed he'd be treated nicely. 

[Midnight Lullaby]

10 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

Hmm good point!

*prays they won't cut it*

Could be Felicity saying it to cake with Oliver thinking it's to him. I'd take that too!

I think you are right because they linked them getting back together to Oliver figuring out who he is so I imagine that will happen in the finale..

[Velocity23]

Also i dont know of any cake that can kick people from an event. 

 

I could find it possible if the line was "After everyone leaves, i am gonna ravage or devour you." 

Edited May 10, 2017 by Velocity23

[LeighAn]

Since Marc said the line may or may not be cut I think he's trolling and it's a fake dialogue tease unfortunately ?

That being said I'm feeling fairly confident that the birthday party is a oppurtunity for Olicity to reunite. 

Edited May 10, 2017 by LeighAn

[Velocity23]

Not sure he would be teasing fake dialogue. 

[LeighAn]

29 minutes ago, Velocity23 said:

Not sure he would be teasing fake dialogue. 

I don't think he was teasing I think he was being "funny". Hence the this may be cut disclaimer. Sort of like the "the writers are pitching bed bath and beyond for season 6" tweet.

I mean and to be honest it doesn't sound like something either Felicity or Oliver would say naturally in the show either *shrug*

[bijoux]

I wouldn't rule out the line being in the script at some point. They had, Did you ask Oliver to come back because he only comes with my fingers?, or some variation thereof in 401. Unless it's played very jokingly and lightly, I hope it's been cut as well.

[Morrigan2575]

4 hours ago, Velocity23 said:

Also i dont know of any cake that can kick people from an event. 

 

I could find it possible if the line was "After everyone leaves, i am gonna ravage or devour you." 

That would be a pretty impressive cake if it could kick people out. 

[Midnight Lullaby]

It could be incomplete..like "kick everyone out so I can ravage you. The cake. I meant the cake." Sort of like the casino scene in season one..

But if she wants to ravage him in that episode I wouldn't mind, LOL.

Edited May 10, 2017 by Midnight Lullaby

[Belinea]

So, we will never find out how Chase knew all this stuff?

Edited May 10, 2017 by Belinea

[Cleanqueen]

I think the fact that he's even saying a dialogue like that is possible in that episode proves to me Olicity is a thing by 5x22. I am hoping something happens tonight that takes them to 5x22 being all cute and couple like.

[insomniadreams88]

5 minutes ago, Cleanqueen said:

I think the fact that he's even saying a dialogue like that is possible in that episode proves to me Olicity is a thing by 5x22. I am hoping something happens tonight that takes them to 5x22 being all cute and couple like.

I feel like what makes this even more possible is that everyone's being kidnapped at the end of 522 and the finale is the big battle on Lian Yu. It's basically TV 101: a couple is happy and in love and then everything goes to hell. 

[Trisha]

19 minutes ago, Cleanqueen said:

I think the fact that he's even saying a dialogue like that is possible in that episode proves to me Olicity is a thing by 5x22. I am hoping something happens tonight that takes them to 5x22 being all cute and couple like.

In the promo when Oliver is saying "every time I take a step forward, the past pulls me back" it looks like he's talking to Felicity. So I'm hopeful that we'll get at least one good conversation tonight that follows up on last week's conversation in the hospital.

[Cleanqueen]

I wanna know how their first scene together tonight will be like, heart eyes and smiling at each other. I wonder if we'll get the "freeze jerkwad" scene tonight. 

[tv echo]

I'm still hanging onto a filament of hope that Williams turns out to be Chase's son.

WM has a real talent for talking a lot and not saying much of anything.

Edited May 10, 2017 by tv echo

[Belinea]

17 minutes ago, tv echo said:

WM has a real talent for talking a lot and not saying much of anything.

Don't forget her talent for overselling and agitating. 

Edited May 10, 2017 by Belinea