Carrie Ann October 24, 2016 Share October 24, 2016 Alan Sepinwall was very critical of Barry in the premiere, and of the premiere in general, and if he's even still watching, I can't imagine he's seen anything that would have changed his feelings. Link to comment
Sunshine October 24, 2016 Share October 24, 2016 Wasn't Sepinwall the reviewer who rage quit Flash because of the premiere? Link to comment
Carrie Ann October 24, 2016 Share October 24, 2016 I know Ryan McGee did (though he doesn't really review The Flash), but I don't think Sepinwall did? I'm not sure. Link to comment
Sunshine October 24, 2016 Share October 24, 2016 4 minutes ago, Carrie Ann said: I know Ryan McGee did (though he doesn't really review The Flash), but I don't think Sepinwall did? I'm not sure. You're right. I got the reviewer wrong. Sepinwall just said he would check back later but hasn't done an actual review since the premiere. Link to comment
statsgirl October 24, 2016 Share October 24, 2016 57 minutes ago, Thundercatmary said: I wish one of the Arrow characters would ask what I think is an obvious question, when finding out about baby Sara being erased, of who exactly is keeping an eye on Barry to make sure he doesn't accidentally erase someone else lol. I want to see Barry on trial for his actions, with a prosecutor (Malcolm Merlyn?) and judge and Iris and the rest of his friends can crown the defense attorney table, and the judge pronounce sentence for his actions. Maybe that he is under house arrest and is only allowed to speed when in pursuit of a bad guy and hobbled otherwise. Link to comment
MuuMuuChainsmoker October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 Hi guys The Flash talk in this thread is ok for now, but if you want to continue with Flash specific stuff, please move the chat to the Flash forum or the Mind Your Surroundings thread. 1 Link to comment
BkWurm1 October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 6 hours ago, statsgirl said: I'm still hoping it's going to be Det. Mayo. WM said that he's unlike anyone Felicity has dated before (being a true villain would be worse than Cooper who fell into ti accidentally and both Oliver and Ray are on the side of fighting bad guys like a cop is), and that he's a straight-shooter and she hopes we grow to like him. It would be just like that to take someone they have told us again and again is a good guy and reveal that he's bad. They would think they're sooooo clever. Yeah, this is what I keep going back to. The need to have Mayo as the designated connection to the cops just doesn't ring true to me since even though Lance isn't at the SCPD anymore, he's on Oliver's team and still has all his contacts and because of his position, would have the authority to get the info he'd need. Or Oliver could be his own police connection since he in the first episode declared he was personally overseeing the special team formed to fight crime. That leaves Tiny Hand's main importance as Felicity's boyfriend and since they didn't give them an origin story or ANY build up, I can't believe there was any intention to make that relationship have real importance. So why is Mayo really on the show? Well, if he just vanishes after the show pivots to giving Oliver a love interest, then, so be it, purpose is obvious, but it doesn't sound like he's going anywhere. So that IMO opens the real possibility of him being an early plant for a later big gotcha moment. Gasp, you though he was just bland nice guy? No, he's the big bad! Which, remember is EXACTLY what they did on The Flash last year and how often has Flash stolen plot lines from Arrow? Turn about is fair play. 5 hours ago, Angel12d said: I hope it's not Mayo Bread though. He's not the right actor. So far he's had no screen presence at all. I do hope he works for Prometheus though. At least it'll make him something more than some bland stale loaf of bread that Felicity happens to date for some reason I still don't know. I agree he lacks gravitas but I can imagine him pull off a kind of petulant screech which fits IMO with someone that places all the blame on someone else. Someone that probably actually believes he IS a good guy, it's just that the Arrow pushed him to do this. If he specifically targeted Felicity, maybe he would even convince himself that he's saving her and really loves her -also a copy of what they did with Jay on the Flash. Most of my theory hangs on Mayo actually knowing her connection to the Arrow even if he didn't know Oliver was the Arrow, but given that the task force guy killed will get Tiny Hands on the team and thus, close to Oliver, he probably does know his secret, but is waiting while he sets his plan in motion, whatever it is - probably something to discredit the public and private persona. Adrian Chase does feel more likely to be a big bad but that makes me wonder if he's just the red herring. 2 Link to comment
way2interested October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said: If he specifically targeted Felicity, maybe he would even convince himself that he's saving her and really loves her -also a copy of what they did with Jay on the Flash. Most of my theory hangs on Mayo actually knowing her connection to the Arrow even if he didn't know Oliver was the Arrow, but given that the task force guy killed will get Tiny Hands on the team and thus, close to Oliver, he probably does know his secret, but is waiting while he sets his plan in motion, whatever it is - probably something to discredit the public and private persona. Adrian Chase does feel more likely to be a big bad but that makes me wonder if he's just the red herring. With Chase though, even MG said that they're writing him with the comic fans in mind, that if you didn't know the comic references, you wouldn't know where the character is going. If they're going by his comic story line (and I saw someone else pass this theory on tumblr), I wonder if they'll go through the whole thing, where Chase goes unstable, is unmasked publicly, and then commits suicide, just sticking him with the Vigliante character and not making him the big bad at all. They could even parallel him to Oliver with Oliver becoming the more stable hero/public figure and even possibly unmasking himself. I'm going with Prometheus knowing more about Oliver/GA connections and DTH only working for Prometheus (DTH knowing what Prometheus said, Prometheus killing one of the cops to put DTH on the anti-crime unit) and possibly dating Felicity as part of the plan. Or at least that's my crack theory so far. 3 Link to comment
statsgirl October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 The only one of the newbies who is regular cast is the actor playing Chase. The actors playing Wild Dog, Evelyn and Rory are all guest cast. I know that doesn't mean much, CH and EBR were guest cast season one, but it does feel like Chase is supposed to have a bigger role on the show than the others. 31 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said: Yeah, this is what I keep going back to. The need to have Mayo as the designated connection to the cops just doesn't ring true to me since even though Lance isn't at the SCPD anymore, he's on Oliver's team and still has all his contacts and because of his position, would have the authority to get the info he'd need. Or Oliver could be his own police connection since he in the first episode declared he was personally overseeing the special team formed to fight crime. And don't forget Felicity hacked into the SCPD data base for the first three seasons. They were doing fine without a cop on board. There really seems to be no reason for Mayo at the moment other than bad soap opera. 9 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 October 25, 2016 Author Share October 25, 2016 Can anyone confirm that Chase is a Series Regular? How was he credited in 503? Link to comment
bijoux October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 (edited) He's a regular. He got the "with" credit. Edited October 25, 2016 by bijoux Link to comment
Sunshine October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 Is Barry in 5.09? SA posted a BTS picture with Grant & his daughter at a bar set. He tweeted that he just shot his final scene and it destroyed him. He's so proud. Antonio Negret usually directs the more emotional episodes. Curious whether this is the Prometheus reveal or does it involve Black Siren (because of Barry's presence). Hoping Prometheus. 1 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 October 25, 2016 Author Share October 25, 2016 (edited) 36 minutes ago, bijoux said: He's a regular. He got the "with" credit. Wow, that's unusual. He's not a famous actor and he pulled a "with" end title? 6 minutes ago, Sunshine said: Is Barry in 5.09? SA posted a BTS picture with Grant & his daughter at a bar set. He tweeted that he just shot his final scene and it destroyed him. He's so proud. Antonio Negret usually directs the more emotional episodes. Curious whether this is the Prometheus reveal or does it involve Black Siren (because of Barry's presence). Hoping Prometheus. Well she's not in 509 and it's unlikely they'd set anything up for her in 509 since there's a month in between episodes. Edited October 25, 2016 by Morrigan2575 Link to comment
tv echo October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 (edited) This pic was posted on SA's facebook page yesterday, but we don't know on what date it was taken (it could've been taken during the crossover filming)... Edited October 25, 2016 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
bijoux October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 11 minutes ago, Sunshine said: Is Barry in 5.09? SA posted a BTS picture with Grant & his daughter at a bar set. He tweeted that he just shot his final scene and it destroyed him. He's so proud. Antonio Negret usually directs the more emotional episodes. Curious whether this is the Prometheus reveal or does it involve Black Siren (because of Barry's presence). Hoping Prometheus. They're at Jitters. Maybe they were shooting pick up for The Flash portion of the crossover. Link to comment
Ophanim October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 Mini rewatch of ep1 and I saw something, a new character beside Vigilante guy, is it maybe new recruit, possibly new canary for 5B? Plant story for future or just put there to fill the space on monitor? Anyway, just food for thought. 3 Link to comment
BkWurm1 October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 8 minutes ago, Lidach said: Mini rewatch of ep1 and I saw something, a new character beside Vigilante guy, is it maybe new recruit, possibly new canary for 5B? Plant story for future or just put there to fill the space on monitor? Anyway, just food for thought. She'd have the short shorts and it almost looks like fishnets but it's probably just a stunt person filling in like they did in 2-1 when the woman in black first popped on the screen. So really could be something or nothing. Different topic, but I'd forgotten about Raisa, the Queen family RUSSIAN maid/nanny. I have to assume that Oliver picked up a bit of Russian before he ever went to Russia. Helps make his quick learning make more sense. 1 Link to comment
Velocity23 October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 I dont think any permanent vigilante would wear fishnets on the show. 4 Link to comment
fangirlforever320 October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, Velocity23 said: I dont think any permanent vigilante would wear fishnets on the show. so much THIIIIIIS Link to comment
BkWurm1 October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, Velocity23 said: I dont think any permanent vigilante would wear fishnets on the show. Never claimed it was logical. Lol. 1 Link to comment
Velocity23 October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 The first two episodes were filmed in July. They could probably get away with it. And it was one shot Link to comment
Sunshine October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 I wonder if the reason we are getting a 4th canary and MM became Artemis is because DC didn't think she was physical enough or because they set her up as too young to be a LI? Link to comment
Proteus October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 Has it been confirmed that there will be a new Canary/love interst? Link to comment
Chaser October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 (edited) There is no confirmation. People are going off a few things: Laurel's words, MG saying that Oliver will focus on those words (something to that effect) in 5b, casting call for a young actress for 5x11 (recurring with potential for regular) and the leaked fake sides which read like a chemistry test. I'm waiting for the casting announcement. I think that will have more details. Edited October 25, 2016 by Chaser 1 Link to comment
Sunshine October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 Also, in the ? BTS picture SA posted he has sides in his right hand. The romantic chemistry part of the sides we saw was based on "the lunge" in 2.13 with Sara. This character is over 18, an ex-marine turned kick boxer. Do we really think they are going to resist going there? Link to comment
way2interested October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, Sunshine said: Also, in the ? BTS picture SA posted he has sides in his right hand. Which photo was that? Because I just thought he had his script in one of his pictures. 1 Link to comment
Chaser October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 How do you know he was holding sides and not say the script for that episode? Or maybe he is holding his lunch order for the day? Was it based on the lunge with Sara or was it the same sides used for Sara's audition? Is Oliver really the man she is chemistry testing with? Maybe its another Nyssa/Sara situation? I'm not saying this show wouldn't go there, but everything is still speculation at this point. 1 Link to comment
apinknightmare October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Chaser said: How do you know he was holding sides and not say the script for that episode? Or maybe he is holding his lunch order for the day? What he's holding has "SIDES" written on it. What they're sides for though, IDK. 1 Link to comment
Chaser October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 Is that the OTA picture? How do people see that stuff? I can't make anything out. 2 Link to comment
HighHopes October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 (edited) I'm the one who saw it and pointed it out. You can clearly see "sides" on it. This photo was posted 9/27 and I believe the Tina sides info appeared around October 1. Edited October 25, 2016 by HighHopes 1 Link to comment
apinknightmare October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, Chaser said: Is that the OTA picture? How do people see that stuff? I can't make anything out. Yes. SIDES in grey letters is pretty easy to make out for me in that pic. Link to comment
Chaser October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 (edited) I believe everyone. I'm mostly just acknowledging that I'm blind. Edited October 25, 2016 by Chaser 5 Link to comment
looptab October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, Chaser said: I believe everyone. I'm mostly just acknowledging that I'm blind. You're not alone, don't worry. :) 2 Link to comment
Sunshine October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 I don't know what the sides are for either but timeframe wise it seems to fit. I would love to be wrong but I'm more of a realist. If I am correct I would expect them to hold off on the casting announcement for a bit. More than one group is going to be unhappy and I think media might overlook the ?, MSF & KC's return. Then again this is the CW. It might get their target audience back so the sooner the better. Link to comment
apinknightmare October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 1 minute ago, looptab said: You're not alone, don't worry. :) When you see someone holding something in a pic, the first thing you do is see if you can read what's on said thing, haha. 1 Link to comment
looptab October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 Just now, apinknightmare said: When you see someone holding something in a pic, the first thing you do is see if you can read what's on said thing, haha. Usualy I do too, but I completely overlooked that he was holding something, haha. Maybe because David's forearm and calves were on display. :D Just now, HeroLeague said: MSF? Mary Sylvie Frasier - the actress who plays Raisa. Link to comment
Sunshine October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 (edited) MSF = Mid Season Finale which I hope is the Prometheus reveal. Edited October 25, 2016 by Sunshine 2 Link to comment
Guest October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 @MuuMuuChainsmoker could we possibly move tv echo's posts to the spoiler archive? :) Link to comment
CabotCove October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 Quote Mary Sylvie Frasier - the actress who plays Raisa. Would never have guessed that,Thanks. Link to comment
looptab October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 1 minute ago, HeroLeague said: Would never have guessed that,Thanks. You're welcome :) 1 Link to comment
calliope1975 October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 I'm confused. Kathleen Gati played Raisa. Did they recast? Link to comment
looptab October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, calliope1975 said: I'm confused. Kathleen Gati played Raisa. Did they recast? I'm sorry, that was me just joking ':) 1 Link to comment
looptab October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 So, based on the MSP title, I'm saying it...AMNESIA! 1 Link to comment
Guest October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 (edited) Well, KC is back for 510 so it's probably about Black Siren or whoever. She looks like Laurel but she's EVIL. Mwahahaha. You know they won't be able to resist! Edited October 25, 2016 by Guest Link to comment
Morrigan2575 October 25, 2016 Author Share October 25, 2016 (edited) Considering BTS the Black Siren episode wouldn't the title apply more to her than Amnesia. I'm honestly not sure what SA having "sides" in a Vancouver OTA phot has to do with a possible casting call going on in LA. If it was a chem test or anything like that SA would be in LA for it, nit on set in Vancouver. Edited October 25, 2016 by Morrigan2575 7 Link to comment
tarotx October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, looptab said: So, based on the MSP title, I'm saying it...AMNESIA! The first thing I thought of was Black Siren (someone saying you aren't laurel-who are you) and then Tina's introduction and of course the biggest soap trope, Amnesia. Link to comment
apinknightmare October 25, 2016 Share October 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, Angel12d said: You know they won't be able to resist! Who are you, pretty bird?!! 1 Link to comment
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