Spoiler Discussion Thread

[lemotomato]

42 minutes ago, arjumand said:

And the conflict between being a vigilante and an officer of the law? I'd like to present to the court one Laurel Lance, attorney, exposed as a vigilante after her death.

Yes, but when is the show even going to find time to tell Tina's story of how a cop became a vigilante? They couldn't even manage to show LL's journey decently and they had 3 seasons to work with and far fewer characters in the canvas. This season they have the 4 boobs in addition to the regulars, 

Not to mention that the law-abider-turned vigilante storyline is already set to go with DA Adrian Chase, who's supposed to become, well, Vigilante. 

I'm not saying that it won't happen, because the writers are the worst, but I think there's room for skepticism.

Edited November 1, 2016 by lemotomato

[Midnight Lullaby]

It's the timing for me..WM said they are bringing the promise OQ gave to LL up again in episode 510 and we know they are introducing a new female character at that point so that's what makes me connect Tina to the promise of not letting LL be the last canary, even if looking at her description alone there's nothing that suggests that.

[insomniadreams88]

4 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

Yes, but when is the show even going to find time to tell Tina's story of how a cop became a vigilante? They couldn't even manage to show LL's journey decently and they had 3 seasons to work with and far fewer characters in the canvas. This season they have the 4 boobs in addition to the regulars, 

Not to mention that the law-abider-turned vigilante storyline is already set to go with DA Adrian Chase, who's supposed to become, well, Vigilante. 

When are they going to have time to tell any of the stories they're setting up? In addition to Tina, the newbies and Chase like you said, there's the whole Prometheus storyline. There's Diggle now a fugitive. (How long are they really going to have him just hiding out? And what about the bad guys still out there who framed him?) There's whatever's coming up for Felicity in 5B. There's whatever's coming up with Lance, according to the ep 7 synopsis. There's probably a bunch other storylines I'm forgetting about. Oh yeah, and Oliver's mayor amidst all this and no one else needs a job besides Thea and Lance making excuses for him. Etc. 

[bijoux]

8 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

Not to mention that the law-abider-turned vigilante storyline is already set to go with DA Adrian Chase, who's supposed to become, well, Vigilante. 

This part confused me in the last episode because it seemed to imply what you say, Chase becoming Vigilante. But there was the police sketch in 501 or 502, implying that he already was Vigilante.

[way2interested]

Still think Tina might be a LI for Wild Dog, since nothing in this release didn't really tell me anything different than what we already knew, but it now makes me further wonder where the story is going for the bf. At this point, they'll have the DA and Tina giving the opposite angles of someone working in the justice department's views on vigilantes, once again leaving DTH pointless except for being Felicity's bf. Wonder if that means he could actually be gone after 509, but who knows with the lack of bts.

5 minutes ago, bijoux said:

This part confused me in the last episode because it seemed to imply what you say, Chase becoming Vigilante. But there was the police sketch in 501 or 502, implying that he already was Vigilante.

I'm thinking it's kind of going to be a self-loathing/desperation type thing for Chase. Like, he is Vigilante because he feels like he needs to be, but doesn't really approve of these measures as legitimate. As the season goes on, he'll push the boundaries as to what he thinks is appropriate for justice (hinted by his seemingly growing appreciation for the team from 504 and his readiness to go dark in interrogation before being interrupted).

[lemotomato]

19 minutes ago, bijoux said:

This part confused me in the last episode because it seemed to imply what you say, Chase becoming Vigilante. But there was the police sketch in 501 or 502, implying that he already was Vigilante.

Yes, but no doubt we're going to hear about how he came to be that way. I think it would be somewhat redundant to do it again as early as 5b. 

Watch the EPs release a statement about the character totally disproving my points, haha.

Edited November 1, 2016 by lemotomato

[Chaser]

23 minutes ago, Midnight Lullaby said:

It's the timing for me..WM said they are bringing the promise OQ gave to LL up again in episode 510 and we know they are introducing a new female character at that point so that's what makes me connect Tina to the promise of not letting LL be the last canary, even if looking at her description alone there's nothing that suggests that.

I understand the connection because of the timing but I think people are overlooking the fact that KC is making an appearance in 5x10. I think BS prompts the promise refresher. Now that could lead to Tina down the road, but I don't see it at this point.

I think Tina's introduction is going to stem from something happening with the cops and Prometheus in 5x09.

Edited November 1, 2016 by Chaser

[Starfish35]

And for something completely different: 

Matt Mitovich is speculating that she is Prometheus. :)

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Could Arrow‘s Prometheus be a woman?

I’m just going to casually (recklessly?) put that out there, in the wake of news that Juliana Harkavy — whose TV credits include episodes of The Walking Dead and Constantine — has been cast on the CW drama in the recurring role of Tina Boland, a detective (formerly of the Central City PD) who is no fan of costumed crimefighters.

http://tvline.com/2016/11/01/arrow-cast-detective-boland-juliana-harkavy/

ETA:  I didn't post this in the Spoilers Only thread because it's just speculation about her role.

Edited November 1, 2016 by Starfish35

[Chaser]

I like that idea, but I'm not sure the actress could pull it off and Prometheus certainly looks male shaped.

They could take inspiration from The Dark Knight Rises (shocking I know) and have her be the mastermind and Prometheus be the figurehead.  

[calliope1975]

27 minutes ago, Midnight Lullaby said:

It's the timing for me..WM said they are bringing the promise OQ gave to LL up again in episode 510 and we know they are introducing a new female character at that point so that's what makes me connect Tina to the promise of not letting LL be the last canary, even if looking at her description alone there's nothing that suggests that.

I'm wondering how that would work on Oliver's end. "Hey random lady I've just met, I think it would be a swell idea for you to become the next Black Canary. Have you seen that monstrosity gorgeous statue on the pier. Emulate that person who died. KThx."

If they have to have the BC baton passed, and it's not going to the best and first (Sara,) they should have used Girl Vigilante (I'm totally blanking on her name - Evelyn?) She already had the outfit, the tech, and the mindset. At this point, I'm willing to believe Oliver hallucinated Laurel's last words because she actually said let's get back together, and he's just in massive denial. 

[Morrigan2575]

23 minutes ago, Chaser said:

I understand the connection because of the timing but I think people are overlooking the fact that KC is making an appearance in 5x10. I think BS prompts the promise refresher. Now that could lead to Tina down the road, but I don't see it at this point.

I think Tina's introduction is going to stem from something happening with the cops and Prometheus in 5x09.

I'm confused it seems like there's 3 different things going on and they're being conflated into one.

First we have KC coming back in 510, through Flashpoint. Which probably means BS.

Then we have Laurel's last request getting addressed later in the season. I don't recall and actual episode being provided.

Finally we have Tina being introduced in 511. 

For all I know the first two are talking about BS/KC showing up in 510

It seems like people are mixing Tina into the first two quotes which actually (so far) have nothing to do with her. For all I know Tina is going to be a floater between Flash and Arrow since she's got ties to Central City.

Edited November 1, 2016 by Morrigan2575

[Chaser]

That's what I was trying to get at. People are tying together spoilers that weren't actually given a connection.

I don't think an episode number was given for when the promise would be addressed, they just said back half.

Are we sure 5x11 is when Tina is introduced? JH is filming something up in Van right now and she is following the writer of 5x10 on twitter and he is following her. I think she may appear in 5x10.

[Morrigan2575]

She could appear in 510, I have no idea, the initial indication was 511.

I agree with you on the rest, it seems like we have different spoilers being tied together that may have no connection

[SmallScreenDiva]

5 minutes ago, Chaser said:

Are we sure 5x11 is when Tina is introduced? JH is filming something up in Van right now and she is following the writer of 5x10 on twitter and he is following her. I think she may appear in 5x10.

She could appear in 510. Maybe ala Prometheus, she shows up in the last minute of 510 or something.

[statsgirl]

19 minutes ago, calliope1975 said:

I'm wondering how that would work on Oliver's end. "Hey random lady I've just met, I think it would be a swell idea for you to become the next Black Canary. Have you seen that monstrosity gorgeous statue on the pier. Emulate that person who died. KThx."

 

"Hey, I just met you, and this is crazy

but here's my number so call me maybe..."

[Chaser]

Random spec here, but I was wondering at the logic of making Tina a LI for WD (if that is the intention). It seems odd for two recurring characters, but if the goal is to make them both regulars it would actually make sense. Maybe they are looking for another Olicity just not in a way that involves Oliver and Felicity. I think Olicity is getting together and staying together in S5 and they need another ship to will they won't they.  

[Mellowyellow]

I'd like it if they gave Ragman a love interest! I like the character and the actor. But this is Arrow so probably no. 

[apinknightmare]

I like the idea of pushing another ship for will they/won't they angst so that O/F can just get together already, but if they're going to try that they should probably do it with a character that isn't such a dong. 

[calliope1975]

Just now, apinknightmare said:

I like the idea of pushing another ship for will they/won't they angst so that O/F can just get together already, but if they're going to try that they should probably do it with a character that isn't such a dong. 

That's my thought. Maybe do it with a better liked character? I'm curious if the torture will soften him up and make him more likable. And now I feel gross for typing that sentence out.

[Chaser]

I agree that WD isn't hitting the likability mark but that may make him the ideal candidate for a Ship. He needs the help.

[tangerine95]

I wouldn't be suprised if Wild Dog gets a LI because they seem to be really pushing him so I figure at some point they'll expand his storyline from just the team arrow stuff and give him a personal life storyline too. But I don't see myself shipping him with anyone , he's too big of a jerk rn imo.

I think Ragman could pull off a romance storyline really well tbh, I would chose him to get a LI out of the newbies. 

[insomniadreams88]

Maybe that's why they've been spending so much time with Wild Dog? And mentioning his ex? Because of a plan for a LI? 

Also just realized Tina is from Central City. Wonder if they'll have any mention of Barry or Joe knowing her. (Hey, maybe she's also a consequence of Flashpoint like Julian is on The Flash.) 

[Chaser]

See I like Rory, but I don't know if I could ship him because he has a rather puppy look to him. It's like shipping Barry, which I can't.

[apinknightmare]

2 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

Also just realized Tina is from Central City. Wonder if they'll have any mention of Barry or Joe knowing her. (Hey, maybe she's also a consequence of Flashpoint like Julian is on The Flash.) 

Fingers crossed her hatred of vigilantes extends to The Flash.  

[Chaser]

Just now, apinknightmare said:

Fingers crossed her hatred of vigilantes extends to The Flash.  

If there is a pin cushion Flash doll on her desk, I might love her.

[looptab]

2 minutes ago, Chaser said:

See I like Rory, but I don't know if I could ship him because he has a rather puppy look to him. It's like shipping Barry, which I can't.

Lol, instead I was thinking that if they had paired Felicity with Rory instead  of Mayo I'd have shipped the hell out of it :p except for the awkwardness  of him  being on the  team. Too bad. :/

[Chaser]

I'm too opposites attract to ship Felicity and Rory as anything more than BFFs. I'm hoping Curtis finds a bag to punch so Rory and Felicity can bond.

[Lady Calypso]

This season has good episodes thus far, but the spoilers for the season just make me super uninterested. Wild Dong being so prominent doesn't please me. My favourite new character Rory will probably be kicked off the show at the end of the season, whether by death or fulfilment of his father's legacy, leaving me with Wild Dong, Artemis, and Curtis. Wild Dong sucks but it seems like he's getting the most character progression. Artemis has had zero spoilers about her that I've seen, which just goes to show me that they needed a female fighter to fulfill Laurel and Thea's role and to make the team less male heavy. Curtis on the field makes me a little ragey as well.

And then there's all the no-Olicity hints, followed by Tina the Possible LI. Followed by The Franco Sibling (AKA Adrian Chase) and Detective Mayo Tiny Hands sticking around, and Church possibly being dead soon. 

I'll try to give them the benefit of the doubt for Tina, though. It's not confirmed that she's Oliver's LI, so maybe she can end up being a female antagonist that they've been lacking for a while now. 

2 minutes ago, looptab said:

Lol, instead I was thinking that if they had paired Felicity with Rory instead  of Mayo I'd have shipped the hell out of it :p except for the awkwardness  of him  being on the  team. Too bad. :/

Man, I could really get behind Felicity/Rory as a romantic couple. He might be a little bit younger than her, although I'm not sure how old Felicity is supposed to be. But I'm also fully happy for them to be best friends. I just don't want Rory to leave, even if he does have magical rags. I can sacrifice my cringing of the magic rags for Rory. 

[Mellowyellow]

3 minutes ago, looptab said:

Lol, instead I was thinking that if they had paired Felicity with Rory instead  of Mayo I'd have shipped the hell out of it :p except for the awkwardness  of him  being on the  team. Too bad. :/

Omg

I watched the scene where he gave her the coffee and I thought I saw chemistry and then I kinda shrugged it off because I thought I was a bit nuts and seeing things.

Hehe your post kinda confirms maybe I'm not that crazy!

They would have been kinda cute! I do like my puppy guys though which is why I can't stay mad at special snowflake Barry *ducks and hides*

[HighHopes]

About the Tina actress and who she may/may not be a love interest for. The actress is following Amell, and he's following her-- which happened a few+ days ago. However she is not following the Wild Dog actor. IMO, it's just another sign pointing to her being NuCanary and the Tina/Oliver slides were actual potential scenes between Tina/Oliver. 

[apinknightmare]

Not ruling out her being a love interest for Oliver, but from a slightly less cynical POV - perhaps they mutually followed because she's newly cast, SA was aware she was cast, and reached out because he's the lead of the show. 

[Mellowyellow]

Are those slides real? Cuz they were gruesome from an Olicity shipping perspective!

[apinknightmare]

2 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

Are those slides real? Cuz they were gruesome from an Olicity shipping perspective!

We'll know if/when they start boning each other in the lair. 

[Morrigan2575]

3 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

Not ruling out her being a love interest for Oliver, but from a slightly less cynical POV - perhaps they mutually followed because she's newly cast, SA was aware she was cast, and reached out because he's the lead of the show. 

SA pretty much follows everyone on the show. Hell he was the first to follow MM last year. 

1 minute ago, Mellowyellow said:

Are those slides real? Cuz they were gruesome from an Olicity shipping perspective!

No the sides were fake, just like the sides for "Lisa" which had nothing to do with Sara and only set the specific tone/emotions to be tested.

[dtissagirl]

3 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

We'll know if/when they start boning each other in the lair. 

And then Felicity will walk in on them.

[apinknightmare]

3 minutes ago, dtissagirl said:

And then Felicity will walk in on them.

[BkWurm1]

2 hours ago, Chaser said:

I like that idea, but I'm not sure the actress could pull it off and Prometheus certainly looks male shaped.

They could take inspiration from The Dark Knight Rises (shocking I know) and have her be the mastermind and Prometheus be the figurehead.  

Maybe she's McKenna's secret sister?  There is a certain superficial similarity in look.  Maybe she blames what happened to her on the Green Arrow (why not, McKenna did) and maybe we'll find out McKenna never got over it and boom, we have our season one created villian connection.  The show runners have said they'd like to do a female big bad.  

1 hour ago, looptab said:

Lol, instead I was thinking that if they had paired Felicity with Rory instead  of Mayo I'd have shipped the hell out of it :p except for the awkwardness  of him  being on the  team. Too bad. :/

Lol, I did see the chemistry so had they paired her with him instead of Mayo I would have been a bit more concerned about the show's intentions since it would have been a stronger story and a deeper connection.  (And we would have actually seen the start of it)

As it is, I do hope we get to build on their friendship.  Felicity needs more friends.  Side note, has Felicity actually spoken onscreen to Evelyn beyond the coms or general mission briefings yet?  

I think there is a good chance that Tina will be a love interest but just as good chance that she's evil or a ship stall or a canary fake out.  

The one thing that makes me consider that they may intend her as a Canary is we all kept saying it would have made so much more sense for them to have made Laurel a cop rather than a Lawyer.  

Still doesn't mean she was brought in to end Olicity.  

Edited November 2, 2016 by BkWurm1

[lemotomato]

8 minutes ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

I have no idea if this account is reliable but here goes

They're still filming 510, right? Maybe the team hears about someone that sounds like a new BC copycat (running around SC in black leather and knocking people out with the Canary Cry ) and they look for her, only to discover it's BS.

Edited November 2, 2016 by lemotomato

[Morrigan2575]

Ha! I knew that BC stuff was about KCs return episode. I winder if BS is pretending to be E2 BC meanwhile she's still evil?

[Starfish35]

Lexa Doig as Talia - that's interesting.  I wonder if it's true.  And how Talia would fit into this season?

Edited November 2, 2016 by Starfish35

[Morrigan2575]

I have no idea, I'm really confused by that one.

[lemotomato]

Does that mean the LoA comes back? NooooOOOoo

[Morrigan2575]

I hope not but, it probably will

[apinknightmare]

Will she greet Oliver as "brother-in-law" tho?

[SmallScreenDiva]

Oh great, another al-Ghul. Is Talia going to marry Oliver, too? (Totally over the LOA storyline already. Just die, goddamnit! )

[Guest]

I will laugh and laugh if Black Siren is BC or becomes her or something. That's hilarious. 

Also, please no more LoA. I'm yawning just thinking about it.

[Starfish35]

But...Miranda Tate.  Did she ever use that name other than in The Dark Knight Returns?

[insomniadreams88]

Not the LoA again. Please. (Mainly because I'm worried if they're back, they'll spend multiple episodes on them and rush through everything else going on at the same time.) 

[dtissagirl]

2 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

But...Miranda Tate.  Did she ever use that name other than in The Dark Knight Returns?

I don't think so.

Lexa Doig tends to be super one note, but her one note kinda fits if they're ripping off Nolan's Talia? Stoic strong woman who gives good smell the fart face.

[Starfish35]

Well if Talia's coming after Oliver for killing her father (speculation only) I guess it would fit with the theme of Oliver's "sins" coming back to haunt him.  But...shades of TDKR (and I didn't even like that movie).

Edited November 2, 2016 by Starfish35