Spoiler Discussion Thread

[dtissagirl]

I wonder if they need a new cop because Mayo is either dead or Prometheus or Prometheus' butt monkey.

[Please be butt monkey. He looks like a butt monkey.]

[Soulfire]

4 minutes ago, dtissagirl said:

I wonder if they need a new cop because Mayo is either dead or Prometheus or Prometheus' butt monkey.

[Please be butt monkey. He looks like a butt monkey.]

I'm not sure he's enough... hands on.

(Sorry.)

Edited November 1, 2016 by Soulfire

[Morrigan2575]

hahahahah, all that freaking out FFS.  She's a cop, maybe, maybe eventually going to be Manhunter (long shot).  She's not even a DC comic character. LOL

[Sunshine]

Didn't Geoff Johns get a promotion which put him in creative charge of all D.C. tv & film properties? Shortly after he said something about you can't have Green Arrow without Black Canary. She's too important to his history.  I wonder if approval was granted to kill off Laurel with the stipulations that a new, better canary be established.  4.19 gave us Evelyn as canary. She wasn't what D.C. was looking for so her scene is dropped in 4.23 and they are told to try again. 

[insomniadreams88]

Newbie here. 

So Tina is a cop. Really hope she doesn't turn out to be a LI for Oliver because are they really going to have Felicity date a cop and then Oliver date one? Really?

And if she does turn out to be a LI for Wild Dog (didn't I read that somewhere on here as spec?), hopefully O and F (assuming she and the BF are done by then) advise him that dating a cop as a vigilante is a HORRIBLE idea. 

[catrox14]

8 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

i would agree, I'm guessing it's someone we haven't met yet.  Seems like 509 will be his backstory/reveal just like 209.

^^^^ This!  100% This

The EPs might not want it but if Geoff Johns does as Sunshine points out, then all bets are off.

 

1 minute ago, Sunshine said:

Didn't Geoff Johns get a promotion which put him in creative charge of all D.C. tv & film properties? Shortly after he said something about you can't have Green Arrow without Black Canary. She's too important to his history.  I wonder if approval was granted to kill off Laurel with the stipulations that a new, better canary be established.  4.19 gave us Evelyn as canary. She wasn't what D.C. was looking for so her scene is dropped in 4.23 and they are told to try again. 

[dtissagirl]

5 minutes ago, Sunshine said:

Didn't Geoff Johns get a promotion which put him in creative charge of all D.C. tv & film properties? Shortly after he said something about you can't have Green Arrow without Black Canary. She's too important to his history.  I wonder if approval was granted to kill off Laurel with the stipulations that a new, better canary be established.  4.19 gave us Evelyn as canary. She wasn't what D.C. was looking for so her scene is dropped in 4.23 and they are told to try again. 

From everything I've read/heard, Geoff's new boss job is 95% films and 5% TV. And he was talking about GA/BC in the comics because they now need to convince the bros who buy comics that romance is OKAY again, after Dan Didio spent the previous 5 years telling everyone romance was icky and had cooties.

Edited November 1, 2016 by dtissagirl

[catrox14]

Just now, insomniadreams88 said:

So Tina is a cop. Really hope she doesn't turn out to be a LI for Oliver because are they really going to have Felicity date a cop and then Oliver date one? Really?

Oliver already dated a cop, McKenna, in S1

[tangerine95]

I think he was just saying that because he was talking about the GA/BC comics and their relationship there and he was promoting that.I really doubt he will force the EPs to go with totally changing their main love story a second time just because he likes GA/BC in the comics. 

Edited November 1, 2016 by tangerine95

[calliope1975]

4 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

hahahahah, all that freaking out FFS.  She's a cop, maybe, maybe eventually going to be Manhunter (long shot).  She's not even a DC comic character. LOL

Aww, remember when people though Laurel was going to be Manhunter because it made sense and would have been a good direction for the character? Those were good times. :D

[insomniadreams88]

Just now, catrox14 said:

Oliver already dated a cop, McKenna, in S1

I know. I was just talking about this season. Oliver's history with McKenna makes me think (hope) that they wouldn't have Tina be a LI for Oliver.

[catrox14]

1 minute ago, insomniadreams88 said:

I know. I was just talking about this season. Oliver's history with McKenna makes me think (hope) that they wouldn't have Tina be a LI for Oliver.

It didn't stop them from having Oliver sister-swap. Serial cop dating pfft... that's nothing LOL

[Sunshine]

So Malone is pro vigilante and the new one is anti. DA is Vigilante and the Mayor is a vigilante. Fun times.  Are we actually going to see the ACU?

[Guest]

Her name is actually Tina? I thought for sure it would be something different. Haha. Sorry but I can't get any ship names out of Oliver/Tina. OliTina? TERRIBLE. LOL.

She basically sounds like a mixture of McKenna and s1 Quentin who hated vigilantes. Let me guess! She's gonna be won over.

Wow, never done this storyline before. Groundbreaking. Original. Amaze.

[apinknightmare]

4 minutes ago, Angel12d said:

Her name is actually Tina? I thought for sure it would be something different. Haha. Sorry but I can't get any ship names out of Oliver/Tina. OliTina? TERRIBLE. LOL.

Will we finally get a Toliver kiss? (Or whatever cheesy line about it was in those sides)

Copilante? IDK

Edited November 1, 2016 by apinknightmare

[Guest]

1 minute ago, apinknightmare said:

Will we finally get a Toliver kiss?

Copilante? IDK

Toliver for SOTY 2017!

I'm kidding, I'm kidding. ;P

[SonofaBiscuit]

I like Tinliver.

[Thundercatmary]

Nope no never to these new ships :p

Olicity and Nysara 5ever :D

[Velocity23]

Wow i thought this board was gonna calm down now ... but i see people are still on the GA/NuBC train.

[dtissagirl]

The show will be over and people will still be going choo-choo.

[Belinea]

Can I just say that while Tina in general is a normal name, I wish her name were something different. I don't know why, it is weird.

28 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

So Tina is a cop. Really hope she doesn't turn out to be a LI for Oliver because are they really going to have Felicity date a cop and then Oliver date one? Really?

Imagine all the fun double dates they could go on...

 

32 minutes ago, Sunshine said:

 You can't have Green Arrow without Black Canary. She's too important to his history.

Regardless of who you cast, Tina isn't a Laurel Lance nor a Dinah, so I guess it wouldn't count for the comic fans anyway. At least that is what I am hoping. Hope dies last is what they said...

[Thundercatmary]

11 minutes ago, Velocity23 said:

Wow i thought this board was gonna calm down now ... but i see people are still on the GA/NuBC train.

It seems pretty calm here to me, unless I missed something.

I was joking around myself, don't know about others.

[Morrigan2575]

12 minutes ago, Velocity23 said:

Wow i thought this board was gonna calm down now ... but i see people are still on the GA/NuBC train.

 

2 minutes ago, dtissagirl said:

The show will be over and people will still be going choo-choo.

You ain't kidding.  

The more I think about it, the more I think Tina is going to be Manhunter

[Chaser]

Can I get a comic breakdown of Manhunter?

[Morrigan2575]

2 minutes ago, Chaser said:

Can I get a comic breakdown of Manhunter?

They killed off Kate Spencer (Laurel's boss in S2).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunter_(Kate_Spencer)

Quote

Kate Spencer is a federal prosecutor who grows increasingly tired of seeing guilty criminals evade punishment. Copperhead, a supervillain on trial for multiple murders and cannibalism, avoids a death sentence and escapes from custody after killing two guards. An angry Kate takes matters into her own hands, stealing equipment from an evidence room and killing Copperhead. Calling herself Manhunter, Kate blackmails a former weapons manufacturer for numerous villains named Dylan Battles — who is in the Witness Protection Program — into building, maintaining, and upgrading her armor, weapons, and gadgets.

In addition to legal proceedings and fighting crime, Kate's life includes awkward relationships with her six-year-old son Ramsey and novelist ex-husband. Kate's secret life as Manhunter cuts into her career and family life, but her co-counsel Damon Matthews covers for her. Kate's father Walter Pratt spent time in prison for murdering her mother,[4] and she comes to believe that her grandfather is superhero Al Pratt, the original Atom, a member of the Justice Society of America.

Through her friendship with Department of Extranormal Operations Agent Cameron Chase, Kate works for the DEO under the direction of Mr. Bones. During the Infinite Crisis, Oracle calls Kate, along with a number of low-powered heroes to join the Battle of Metropolis, and she was invited to join the Birds of Prey after founding member Black Canary left to join the Justice League.

[Starfish35]

Ok, I never believed in the GA/nuBC theories.  But still, how does this all fit into the spoilers that there will be another Canary this season?

[Thundercatmary]

Just now, Starfish35 said:

Ok, I never believed in the GA/nuBC theories.  But still, how does this all fit into the spoilers that there will be another Canary this season?

Not sure, maybe it's not so literal? Like a new vigilante who is inspired by BC but not necessarily a new Canary? I mean we have Evelyn but she's still very young.

[Starfish35]

I'm thinking of this in particular.  

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and as the season progresses, eventually it will turn Oliver’s attention towards the specificity of that promise of a new Black Canary, and we’ll have to see what happens.

I mean, I know they say "we'll have to see what happens", but still.

[Morrigan2575]

6 minutes ago, Starfish35 said:

I'm thinking of this in particular.  

I mean, I know they say "we'll have to see what happens", but still.

Maybe the answer is that Sara becomes Black Canary or maybe the answer is that there's a little black canary in all of them, or maybe the answer is that Oliver decides that one day when she's all grown up, Evelyn can be the new Black Canary?

MG never said there WILL be a new Black Canary or even a new Canary.

Edited November 1, 2016 by Morrigan2575

[lemotomato]

I'm confused by the continued spec that Tina is going to be a new vigilante and Oliver's LI, so I'm going to ask some questions that might be a little obvious: 1) Why would a cop that hates vigilantes become one herself? 2) Why would Oliver date a cop that hates vigilantes when he has so much at stake if she discovers his dual identity? (Yes, I know Felicity is dating a cop too, but she's not the one out there killing bad guys, and she doesn't have a public persona this season)

[Starfish35]

4 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

MG never said there WILL be a new Black Canary or even a new Canary.

No, they just hinted at it very very strongly.  I mean, you all know my overwhelming preference would be for either Sara to take the name, or for it to die with Laurel.  But I'm not convinced they're not still planning on doing it, and this casting is the right timing, even if she doesn't have a comic name.

[tangerine95]

I don't think there will literally be a new BC, I mean they put BC on Laurel's statue and gravestone, I just don't see them actually giving someone else the name. Maybe another color canary or whatever or they don't take the promise literally and it ends up being about Oliver accepting a team and other masks as part of his legacy. 

I still don't think Tina is a LI for Oliver tbh.I think it would be too much even for them to have Felicity date a detective and then Oliver date the detective that probably replaces Felicity's ex bf lol.

Edited November 1, 2016 by tangerine95

[Morrigan2575]

3 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

I'm confused by the continued spec that Tina is going to be a new vigilante and Oliver's LI, so I'm going to ask some questions that might be a little obvious: 1) Why would a cop that hates vigilantes become one herself? 2) Why would Oliver date a cop that hates vigilantes when he has so much at stake if she discovers his dual identity? (Yes, I know Felicity is dating a cop too, but she's not the one out there killing bad guys, and she doesn't have a public persona this season)

1 - I don't know that she will but if they're setting her on a recurring course or series regular for S6 then I expect there will be some sort of emotional/character journey that leads her from antagonist to protagonist or Grey character

2 - Since I never believed she was going to be an LI, I really can't answer this question

[Guest]

So if this new character doesn't end up being the new Canary (BC will forever remain Laurel's mantle, IMO), what was the point in Laurel's final words? Color me confused.

12 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

I'm confused by the continued spec that Tina is going to be a new vigilante and Oliver's LI, so I'm going to ask some questions that might be a little obvious: 1) Why would a cop that hates vigilantes become one herself? 2) Why would Oliver date a cop that hates vigilantes when he has so much at stake if she discovers his dual identity? (Yes, I know Felicity is dating a cop too, but she's not the one out there killing bad guys, and she doesn't have a public persona this season)

1) She'll slowly realize she needs to go outside the law to help the city. Something will happen to win her over to the vigilante side.

2) Oliver has a penis.

LOL. I'm not saying Oliver/Tina is happening - I think it could go either way at this point - but the writers will make it happen if they want to, regardless of logic tbh. 

[SonofaBiscuit]

30 minutes ago, Thundercatmary said:

It seems pretty calm here to me, unless I missed something.

I was joking around myself, don't know about others.

I mean, I'm kidding, kind of.  I absolutely do think that there's a possibility that Tina is the new BC and she will be in a relationship with Oliver at some point.  But that's really the extent of how much I want to discuss that because LOL, this opinion tends to garner some hostile reactions, so I'm just going to quietly wait and see and snicker over in my corner if something does happen. 

[Chaser]

I understand the LI spec because its totally the CW, but I don't think its actually based on anything concrete.

I'm pretty positive KC was still in Boston on Monday. Any sign of her back in Van?

[Sunshine]

Are there spoilers? ? Aside from the promise to Laurel which got almost everyone talking (which I think was the point) all MG said was we'll see what Oliver does with the specificity.  OQ & FS spoke of it in terms of getting assistance or a new team together.  I think what most latched on to were the fake sides. Could the detective become a canary? Sure. Could she become a love interest? Yes. Oliver's? Possibly. The DA's? Maybe. Quentin's? Unlikely. Diggle or Curtis-No. I think that covers the regulars.  

The thing about fighting in the sides. A cop might need to spar with both criminals and vigilantes. Maybe she'll be a mask and maybe she won't.  Felicity will never be one and Diggle has identity concealment. I like @Morrigan2575 idea of Manhunter who had multiple aliases I think. 

[dtissagirl]

I kind of think at this point "Canary" and "Oliver's love interest" are mutually exclusive. There could be either one or the other, but not both.

[insomniadreams88]

Am I remembering correctly that Wendy said that Oliver has to win over the reporter? And now Tina's someone who's hard to impress? Is that the new thing for female characters this year? Oliver must win them over?

[Sunshine]

Maybe they filmed KC's scenes for 5.10 when she was filming 5.08? The less time the better in my book.  I remember 3.10 being promoted like it was all about BC.  It was more about 3.09's fallout and she put on the mask in the last segment.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

Am I remembering correctly that Wendy said that Oliver has to win over the reporter? And now Tina's someone who's hard to impress? Is that the new thing for female characters this year? Oliver must win them over?

Good point. It is a very similar character description. Every new female is seemingly hard to impress these days! 

[Morrigan2575]

2 minutes ago, Chaser said:

I understand the LI spec because its totally the CW, but I don't think its actually based on anything concrete.

I'm pretty positive KC was still in Boston on Monday. Any sign of her back in Van?

If her SM is new and not old photos she's still in LA as of 3 hours ago.  There's still 2 more days of filming for 510.  I'm guessing there's a huge cover up, her role is much smaller than people think or she's scheduled to film her scenes later due to conflicts with the Boston filming.  510 won't air until January so they have time to insert her scenes later (if absolutely necessary)

[lemotomato]

23 minutes ago, SonofaBiscuit said:

I mean, I'm kidding, kind of.  I absolutely do think that there's a possibility that Tina is the new BC and she will be in a relationship with Oliver at some point.  But that's really the extent of how much I want to discuss that because LOL, this opinion tends to garner some hostile reactions, so I'm just going to quietly wait and see and snicker over in my corner if something does happen. 

Yours is the prevailing opinion on twitter, so it'll be less of a corner and more like the whole room. This forum is the only place I've seen that has even a hint of skepticism/debate over how Tina is going to turn out.

Edited November 1, 2016 by lemotomato

[catrox14]

1 hour ago, apinknightmare said:

Will we finally get a Toliver kiss? (Or whatever cheesy line about it was in those sides)

Copilante? IDK

This leads me to "You know you watch too much Supernatural when" you see Toliver and think about a character in SPN whose name was Tommy Toliver and not my Tommy/Oliver slash pairing. Sigh. LOL

[tarotx]

I can't believe that Tina is her real name. And she's pretty much just the Lady cop who they couldn't get back :p  I think if there is a ship name it would be something simple like Olina. I still wonder if she's going to be a bad character (who thinks she's a good guy) with Prometheus. 

[statsgirl]

Quote

Tina Boland, a detective formerly of Central City. Boland is brash yet tactful, tough, speaks her mind, and is not the easiest person to impress

That sounds very Mary Sue to me.  At least she's tactful, unlike Wild Dong.

14 hours ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

Anyone else thinking Church is gonna be dead at the end of 505?

It seems fast because they usually set up the Big Bad in the mid-season finale.  That's when we found out about Slade ans Ra's stabbed Oliver.  I thought they wanted to set up Prometheus more but maybe they're ready now.

1 hour ago, Chaser said:

Regarding Prometheus, I can't picture any of the potentials as him right now. I think E2 or 3 or 4 is interesting but I think its too weird at the moment. I'm not sure how they could work it all in without it being super contrived. Part of me thinks we haven't even meet him yet.

Unless we met him in season 1 but not yet in season 5.

1 hour ago, dtissagirl said:

I wonder if they need a new cop because Mayo is either dead or Prometheus or Prometheus' butt monkey.

I can only hope.

And also hope that WM said she hopes the audience will like him because then it will be a greater shock when we find out that he's on the wrong side.

[emarasmoak]

1 hour ago, Thundercatmary said:

 

Edited November 1, 2016 by emarasmoak
Sorry, cannot delete or edit. Just ignore it

[arjumand]

1 hour ago, lemotomato said:

I'm confused by the continued spec that Tina is going to be a new vigilante and Oliver's LI, so I'm going to ask some questions that might be a little obvious: 1) Why would a cop that hates vigilantes become one herself? 2) Why would Oliver date a cop that hates vigilantes when he has so much at stake if she discovers his dual identity? (Yes, I know Felicity is dating a cop too, but she's not the one out there killing bad guys, and she doesn't have a public persona this season)

The thing is, we've learned, through bitter experience, not to expect anyone in Arrowverse to carry out actions governed by logic, reason, or even their own characterization. Remember Season 1 and 2 Thea, obsessed and angry about lies and deception? No, neither do I.

And the conflict between being a vigilante and an officer of the law? I'd like to present to the court one Laurel Lance, attorney, exposed as a vigilante after her death. I've seen this fricking episode of Law and Order! The lawyer who broke the law and died? All her cases were overturned and all the guys she'd sent to jail were released! I will never let this go!

Ahem. Must be Zen. What I mean is, I'm just along for the ride at this point. Every crazy, fucked up thing they come up with is met with a shrug and an eyeroll. Come on, this season there is a guy who is deflecting bullets with HIS MAGICAL RAGS and it looks as stupid as you'd imagine. There will come a time when they do the one unforgivable thing, and I'll be done with the show. Until then? Bring it.

[bijoux]

How is one brash and tactful at the same time? They're opposites.

[tv echo]

Deleting Baby Sara, resetting/retconning Oliver & Felicity... and now bringing in this new potential BC 4.0/Oliver love interest - I really feel like I may be done with Arrow this season. At this rate, I may not even finish out the season.

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From MG's latest tweet (see "511" in lower right corner?)...

Edited November 1, 2016 by tv echo