Episode Discussion: TFGH

[HeatLifer]

9 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Because apparently, Sam fans are the only ones who hate Franco and if they could just win them over, everyone would love Franco. :/

They're the ones who tweet Jelly daily about Franco. And a lot of them were always complaining that Franco isn't really sorry. This is clearly why they're doing this.

[TeeVee329]

2 minutes ago, Ambrosefolly said:

I wonder when the actor that played Seth found out he was going to be playing the heavy? He performances since Tom was kidnapped pointed a guy concerned by his brother, both for Tom's safety and what Tom was capable of doing, not being a potential violent criminal himself.

And that was some actually nuanced characterization - that Seth was aware and accepted that his brother had done bad things, but that he still cared about his brother and wanted to give him another chance.

But of course, this show can't do subtle so Seth's going down in flames.

[backhometome]

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This is clearly why they're doing this.

Yes, but this just made Sam fans ever more enraged by the freak. So what was the point. 

[LexieLily]

Just now, HeatLifer said:

They're the ones who tweet Jelly daily about Franco. And a lot of them were always complaining that Franco isn't really sorry. This is clearly why they're doing this.

But how is *this* story specifically supposed to help that? Sam gets manipulated by Liz into helping clear her sexual predator of a crime, does 95% of the investigating and finds Franco even though she is eight-nine months pregnant, and nowhere in this scenario has Franco expressed apologetic feelings to Sam. Liz's fake empathy doesn't count because she actually thought it would be a good idea to ask Sam for help re: Franco.

[HeatLifer]

2 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

But how is *this* story specifically supposed to help that? Sam gets manipulated by Liz into helping clear her sexual predator of a crime, does 95% of the investigating and finds Franco even though she is eight-nine months pregnant, and nowhere in this scenario has Franco expressed apologetic feelings to Sam. Liz's fake empathy doesn't count because she actually thought it would be a good idea to ask Sam for help re: Franco.

Liz has nothing to do with Franco in this scenario with Sam. Franco didn't want to turn Alexis into the police because he didn't want to hurt Sam anymore.

[TeeVee329]

Franco's willingness to cover for Alexis, I guess, is what the writers think will allow Sam fans to move on.

Whatever.

[HeatLifer]

4 minutes ago, backhometome said:

Yes, but this just made Sam fans ever more enraged by the freak. So what was the point. 

Jelly should have stayed away from social media and realized that some of those Sam fans were just talking to talk. They were never going to believe any kind of Franco's remorse.

[LeftPhalange]

7 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

They're the ones who tweet Jelly daily about Franco. And a lot of them were always complaining that Franco isn't really sorry. This is clearly why they're doing this.

If this bullshit was a way to appease Sam fans then Jelly are even more clueless and even bigger hacks than I could've ever imagined. If they actually thought Sam helping that rapist serial killer would make her fans happy then they HAVE to be brain dead. 

[HeatLifer]

Just now, LeftPhalange said:

If this bullshit was a way to appease Sam fans then Jelly are even more clueless and even bigger hacks than I could've ever imagined. If they actually thought Sam helping that rapist serial killer would make her fans happy then they HAVE to be brain dead. 

It's not about Sam helping. It's about showing that Franco cares about Sam and what he did to her.

[dubbel zout]

11 minutes ago, Linny said:

What kind of stalker still keeps a physical scrapbook? It's 2017, my dude, time to go digital.

One who's been in prison for 20 years.

Oh, Anna. Can't you put your obsessiveness about Valentin toward something productive, like repainting your living room?

I'm so tired of stories that have women acting completely irrationally over men who aren't worth it. We have Anna, Elizabeth, Alexis, Olivia J. 

[LexieLily]

3 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

It's not about Sam helping. It's about showing that Franco cares about Sam and what he did to her.

Even if he does - which I highly doubt, he only cares about what he did to Sam in relation to how it can help his relationship with Elizabeth, IMO - it's five years too late for Franco to be giving any kind of apology to Sam that I or some Sam fans would read as sincere.

[LeftPhalange]

2 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

It's not about Sam helping. It's about showing that Franco cares about Sam and what he did to her.

That's not what I saw on my screen. I saw Freako show remorse to a hallucination. I don't recall him ever offering Sam a sincere, heartfelt apology. As ridiculous as I think Jelly are, I don't think they are stupid enough to believe this writing will cause Sam fans to soften towards the rapist. I've seen nothing to suggest they care about Sam fans (or most fan bases) at all.

This is about making Freako a victim in an attempt to get the audience to feel sorry for him. 

[dubbel zout]

2 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

it's five years too late for Franco to be giving any kind of apology to Sam that I or some Sam fans would read as sincere.

I don't think an apology is worth anything at this point, but they need to stop forcing Sam and Franco in scenes where Sam is doing Franco favors under the guise of redeeming him somehow. Sam and Franco shouldn't have to interact.

[ulkis]

1 minute ago, LeftPhalange said:

That's not what I saw on my screen. I saw Freako show remorse to a hallucination. I don't recall him ever offering Sam a sincere, heartfelt apology. As ridiculous as I think Jelly are, I don't think they are stupid enough to believe this writing will cause Sam fans to soften towards the rapist.

Oh, I do. 

[LexieLily]

2 minutes ago, LeftPhalange said:

That's not what I saw on my screen. I saw Freako show remorse to a hallucination. I don't recall him ever offering Sam a sincere, heartfelt apology.

He tried to apologize to her once (after cornering her in an open elevator, naturally, because why wouldn't Sam feel completely comfortable and not at all unsafe with THAT? Jesus, writers, THINK!) but Sam, thankfully, shut that down and told him he was just apologizing because he wanted to look better in Elizabeth's eyes. It's one of the few times she was actually allowed fire and appropriate emotion/anger with Franco.

[HeatLifer]

4 minutes ago, LeftPhalange said:

I've seen nothing to suggest they care about Sam fans (or most fan bases) at all.

Eh, I just disagree. I think this is clearly being done for Sam fans, specifically the ones on social media. Jelly just made the mistake of believing that those fans would accept anything. It was all talk.

[backhometome]

They dont care because all Sam fans want is for Freako to stay away from Sam. And they dragged her into this Tom shit so he can look like a good guy for wanting to protect Alexis for Sam. RME.

[ulkis]

2 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Eh, I just disagree. I think this is clearly being done for Sam fans, specifically the ones on social media. Jelly just made the mistake of believing that those fans would accept anything. It was all talk.

I think a lot of them never said though that they would accept Franco if he apologized or whatever. This all started when Franco started playing stepdad to Jake. If they had backed away from that they probably wouldn't have gotten the ire of a lot of fans up.

[dubbel zout]

OMG, Alexis's "confession" was so stupid. I get she's feeling guilty for drinking and all that, but did she forget all of her lawyer knowledge? It shouldn't have taken Diane to say there was no basis for an arrest. There isn't even forensic evidence that points to Alexis being the killer. Franco's picture of Alexis and Tom at Gene's Branford Roadhouse (est. 1975) is hardly conclusive.

[LexieLily]

1 minute ago, dubbel zout said:

There isn't even forensic evidence that points to Alexis being the killer. Franco's picture of Alexis and Tom at Gene's Branford Roadhouse (est. 1975) is hardly conclusive.

This is still funny every time.

[HeatLifer]

3 minutes ago, ulkis said:

I think a lot of them never said though that they would accept Franco if he apologized or whatever. This all started when Franco started playing stepdad to Jake. If they had backed away from that they probably wouldn't have gotten the ire of a lot of fans up.

There were a lot who said "Franco needs to be sorry and apologize." This was their attempt at that. It failed. But it was still what they tried to do.

Edited January 30, 2017 by HeatLifer

[dubbel zout]

Oops, it's Gene's Branford Roadhouse (est. 1985). Sorry!

[dr. gailey]

This whole thing was for Roger and Franco. Jelly told us plain as day. They daily like tweets regarding Franco and Friz. They hate Sam fans cause they don't like their shitty writing. 

[ulkis]

1 hour ago, Linny said:

I wanted to vomit when Kiki and Franco exchanged I love yous. 

Reminds me of this moment:

Franco: I would never hurt Kiki. I love her.

Dante: Aw, that's nice. You hear that Kiki? He loves you.

https://youtu.be/Zw2SrJmV_OI?t=227

[LexieLily]

2 minutes ago, dr. gailey said:

This whole thing was for Roger and Franco. Jelly told us plain as day. They daily like tweets regarding Franco and Friz. They hate Sam fans cause they don't like their shitty writing. 

Well, the joke's on them because if this message board is any indication it isn't just Sam fans that hate Franco in this story.

[ulkis]

1 minute ago, dr. gailey said:

This whole thing was for Roger and Franco. Jelly told us plain as day. They daily like tweets regarding Franco and Friz. They hate Sam fans cause they don't like their shitty writing. 

Well, it's the same thing. They want Sam fans to mellow on Franco for Franco and Roger.

Either way, after that, they're gonna have to work on a whole lot more people. Like us Haircut and Clean Hair Fans.

[Darklazr]

4 hours ago, ulkis said:

Because apparently, Sam fans are the only ones who hate Franco and if they could just win them over, everyone would love Franco. :/

No.  I hate Franco since JF first came onto the show.  FV and RC are the ones that brought Franco back from the dead and they clearly want GH fans to ignore their horseshit story.

My favorite is stuck in Franco hell!

[peachmangosteen]

3 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if we find out tomorrow that Seth is also a rapist, just to really hammer the point home. 

I kept waiting for that to come today. I'll be shocked if they don't go there.

3 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

I wonder when the actor that played Seth found out he was going to be playing the heavy? He performances since Tom was kidnapped pointed a guy concerned by his brother, both for Tom's safety and what Tom was capable of doing, not being a potential violent criminal himself.

I'm sure he found out the second the writers decided to go this way, which was probably oh say about 2 minutes before these scenes were shot.

2 hours ago, dr. gailey said:

This whole thing was for Roger and Franco. 

Yep. Most of what they do is, for some reason. If it's not for him it's for MB.

2 hours ago, ulkis said:

Either way, after that, they're gonna have to work on a whole lot more people. Like us Haircut and Clean Hair Fans.

They have never cared about us Clean Hair fans! We deserve respect!

I just have no words anymore for how heinous Liz is. I mean I used to go back and forth between disliking her and being mildly OK with her, but she has just reached the bottom of the barrel at this point. Her character is completely destroyed and BH has just gone full self-righteous bitch with her portrayal. Put her out of her misery already!

And speaking of characters that have been completely destroyed, Anna is completely and utterly insufferable now. And her relationship with Griffin is very odd and borderline creepy to me now. It's like she treats him like a disabled child, but also somehow I feel like there's a possible sexual thing there. I don't know, it's all very bizarre to me. And not in an intriguing way.

I used to actually enjoy Valentin and Nina/Valentin but I'm over it. Valentin's smug face kinda makes me stabby now.

Edited January 30, 2017 by peachmangosteen

[TeeVee329]

13 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

And [Anna's] relationship with Griffin is very odd and borderline creepy to me now.

I thought her bringing him flowers because the married woman who seduced him into breaking his vows as a priest died was...an odd choice.

[ulkis]

Oh good grief at Franco coughing up blood. Poor Bohemian Franco must have caught tuberculosis working a'nights in his chilly garret as he painted.

Aside from the wrongness of Sam giving Franco the time of day, those scenes were played weird. They were both sitting there like they were just getting high and having a chat.

[dubbel zout]

1 minute ago, ulkis said:

Oh good grief at Franco coughing up blood. Poor Bohemian Franco must have caught tuberculosis working a'nights in his chilly garret as he painted.

Too bad he didn't call Sam "Mimi" by mistake. How long was he supposed to have been in the storage space? One day? Two? He wasn't quite properly dressed for the weather, but the storage space was inside. I can't imagine it was entirely unheated. 

[LeftPhalange]

I've run out of ways to describe how vulgar I find Liez. I wanted Seth to stab her and tell the cops he was defending himself from a crazy stalker nurse low rent Nancy Drew who showed up at his house uninvited and wouldn't leave. Also, why does BH play Liez this way? I've wondered if she might be a small, small, small bit less rancid if BH made different choices. 

Can someone explain to me why Liez finds it perfectly believable that her rapist serial killer boyfriend has reformed but there's no way that Tom could ever do the same? 

Anna's obsession with Justice For Duke and now busting Valentin for something, anything, isn't normal. Is she legit supposed to be unhinged now? I don't know what I'm going to do when she finds out Olivia Jerome is back.

I don't know how I feel about Valentin/Nina. Since I want Anna and Lulu to lose everything, I can get on board with them as some sort of twisted, scheming duo, but I REALLY need for Valentin to tone down the whining and the smugness. And I need for Nina to stop acting like a lost little girl. 

Was it really necessary to make Alexis an idiot on top of making her a sloppy drunk? She's a damn lawyer, she should realize that the very little evidence against her is circumstantial at best. Also, did she even hear the story she told Dante? She made a pretty decent case for self defense, not murder. 

I wanted Freako to cough up blood on Kiki. 

I don't care to acknowledge the Sam/Freako scenes. It's better this way. 

[dubbel zout]

30 minutes ago, LeftPhalange said:

I REALLY need for Valentin to tone down the whining

Ugh, it's so stupid. "Everyone at spy school was so mean to me!" This is his backstory? It's pathetic. Why not have had Anna throw him under the bus for some student exercise that went terribly wrong? At least that would give him a legit reason to dislike Anna.

I feel sorry for all the actors having to try to sell this dreck. It's not challenging material, and it's not even nutty fun.

[Perkie]

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Franco: I would never hurt Kiki. I love her.

Dante: Aw, that's nice. You hear that Kiki? He loves you.

https://youtu.be/Zw2SrJmV_OI?t=227

And that's why I love Dante/DZ!  Also, remember when Franco used to shower and wash his hair?

[HeatLifer]

2 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

And her relationship with Griffin is very odd and borderline creepy to me now.

They are so awkward and weird to me, too.

[LexieLily]

6 hours ago, Linny said:

Nina's dress was so bright I can see it on my eyelids when I blink. Very appropriate outfit for drinking beer, eating mac and cheese, and listening to your husband talk about his fucked up family dynamics. Please don't tell me she's going to be jealous of Anna.

If Nina needed Valentin to tell her about Charlotte's creation (I don't know what else to call it, I'm sorry), why is she so hellfire about Lulu not having custody of her daughter? 

Edited January 31, 2017 by LexieLily

[yowsah1]

On 1/28/2017 at 9:53 PM, Darklazr said:

KeMo wants to work with RoHo, so I say SamFF and JaSamFF can sit and spit.  BH wanted to work with RoHo and LizFF were served a pile of shit with the Friz pukefest.  FH wants to work with RoHo.  Sigh.

And there is a way all three ladies can get their wish without the hideous character assassination that inevitably follows in Franco's wake.  GH fans have been suggesting it for months now.  Have something happen while Sam is rescuing Franco that strikes her as odd and makes her suspect that Franco isn't actually Franco.  The clues she finds leads her to suspect WSB involvement so she brings Anna in on the case.  The investigation reveals that yes, indeed, the man who thought he was Franco was none other than, OMG <insert the name of literally any other character than Franco here>, who was captured and subjected to mind control experiments <because Helena>.  His post-tumor bad acts can be explained as leftovers from his conditioning that Dr. Finn or Griffin cure Because Reasons.  Voila!  The ladies get to work with RoHo and the audience can be at least somewhat placated that their favorite characters aren't being sacrificed to prop the loathed and loathsome Franco.

Why TPTB haven't done this already I will never know.

[Oracle42]

Lulu's family should be in on this with her. Her mother should be just as frantic as Lulu is about getting the SORAS'd embryo into Lulu's custody. Instead of advising caution, Laura should be just as insistent about getting Charlotte away from Valentin. He held them hostage, shot her boyfriend and murdered her son - and that was after the shit he pulled with the Charlotte embryo. Laura has good reason to distrust that family and this man specifically.

I haven't liked Lulu since the recast and this story has made it 1,000 times worse but I think she's being shat on for a character created by theses crap writers and I'm tired of it. 

[LexieLily]

9 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

Lulu's family should be in on this with her. Her mother should be just as frantic as Lulu is about getting the SORAS'd embryo into Lulu's custody. Instead of advising caution, Laura should be just as insistent about getting Charlotte away from Valentin. He held them hostage, shot her boyfriend and murdered her son - and that was after the shit he pulled with the Charlotte embryo. Laura has good reason to distrust that family and this man specifically.

I haven't liked Lulu since the recast and this story has made it 1,000 times worse but I think she's being shat on for a character created by theses crap writers and I'm tired of it. 

I think that's what Lulu and Laura are doing tomorrow by going to Anna. And Laura has said that she will murder Valentin herself if Lulu doesn't get custody. Obviously Laura won't actually kill him, but Laura snarled to Hayden once that there was no length she wouldn't go to to protect her family. Laura said on last week that she disagreed with Kevin's family-therapy idea.

I'm STILL trying to figure out what we are supposed to believe re: the Charlotte embryo. Did Valentin know all these years that Lulu was the mother?

Edited January 31, 2017 by LexieLily

[stlbf]

1 hour ago, LexieLily said:

If Nina needed Valentin to tell her about Charlotte's creation (I don't know what else to call it, I'm sorry), why is she so hellfire about Lulu not having custody of her daughter? 

Because Lulu reminds Nina of her control freak of a mother. Nina always had a very strained relationship with Madeline. And we saw how that has ended up. We know nothing about her father, but she seemed to be very much a daddy's girl. Mr. Reeves has never really been mentioned much. He put his money into a trust and Nathan signed away his rights to it for some unknown reason. Hell, we don't know if he is dead or just gone. 

[Oracle42]

6 minutes ago, stlbf said:

Lulu reminds Nina of her control freak of a mother.

Maybe, but Nina is a psycho. Her ability to understand normal human behavior is non-existent

[stlbf]

But she recognizes crazy control issues Lulu has about Charlotte. And that Lulu is thinking about Lulu's needs and not about Charlotte's well being. That puts her on protective mode. Which is why I firmly believe that Valentin has this shit all planned out. Charlotte isn't Lulu's. It just works out for him if Lulu believes that. Nina has mommy issues. She loves to protect people from harm. Especially from bad mommies. They got married on a spur of the moment idea. And they got married without a prenuptial agreement. All of this benefits Valentin. 

Nathan should be telling Nina to get Valentin to sign some kind of post nuptial agreement. To protect her assets. 

[Darklazr]

3 hours ago, stlbf said:

Because Lulu reminds Nina of her control freak of a mother. Nina always had a very strained relationship with Madeline. And we saw how that has ended up. We know nothing about her father, but she seemed to be very much a daddy's girl. Mr. Reeves has never really been mentioned much. He put his money into a trust and Nathan signed away his rights to it for some unknown reason. Hell, we don't know if he is dead or just gone. 

I thought Nathan was not part of Mr. Reeves estate, because he knew the kid was not his son and gave all of his money to Nina?  Dr. O dumped Nathan off on Madeline and I would think Mr. Reeves would have known IF his wife was pregnant for nine months.

[Darklazr]

I was only able to watch five minutes of GH today and can't even muster up the interest to watch Elizabeth yammer on about that freaking freak.  FV has really screwed over (again!) Elizabeth fans with his insistent needs to make freak Franco a romantic lead, with his nasty looking hair, old man look and dressing like a bum.  #FreeElizabethImogeneWebber

[LexieLily]

1 hour ago, stlbf said:

But she recognizes crazy control issues Lulu has about Charlotte. And that Lulu is thinking about Lulu's needs and not about Charlotte's well being.

Pot meet kettle black, Nina.

[Oracle42]

Well, Nina is projecting. And the more I see of her the easier it is to believe that Madeline was being so controlling because she was protecting her from herself. Nina was 20+ years old when she went into a coma, but she acts and reacts to things like a mentally and emotionaly unstable teenager.

So far, she's married (inexplicably poor) Ric out of some rebellious whim, then she dated a serial killer, and now she has spontaneously married Valentin. She induced a woman's labor and then ran off with that woman's newborn to Canada with a serial killer. She's not well and her judgment has been unfailingly shitty. She's not qualified to take Lulu's emotional temperature 

Edited January 31, 2017 by Oracle42

[Asp Burger]

The emphasis on Seth's basketball trophies is cracking me up. He has so many. There are the ones he still has in the living room, and then a gazillion more he has to keep in a storage locker. Is this going to become part of Tom's explanatory back story? "Seth was insanely good at basketball. He won every trophy known to man. Tom had nothing! He had no game! He had to find the thing he was good at! That turned out to be...photography! And rape!" 

I don't care enough about Sam to add anything to the whole discussion about the story she deserves, and which characters her fans will and will not accept her being in scenes with, or how the different factions of Sam fans are at odds in what they want from the writers. (Are people still that invested in this show? I would have bought that as recently as ten years ago, but...) I am sure she will be plopped on the couch again in no time, having those identical conversations with Jason.  Equilibrium will be restored.  

I do disagree that she is carrying the heavy load in the investigation. Frankly, I think she's done about the third best investigation of anyone involved here, and she's supposed to be the detective. Nathan and Dante looked completely inept, of course, because they are the police. Kiki and Liz did some pretty good Nancy Drew-ing for their first gig, but Kiki's failure to read the yellow paper and then her losing it were not her finest hour.  

The Seth actor is really good. IMDb's bio tells me that Michael Rodrick is "known best for his intensity and emotional vulnerability, 'as convincing in his long slow burns as in his explosions of anger' (Amy Taubin, Village Voice)." Well, we have seen all of that in his (presumably) short stint on General Hospital, haven't we? They could have used him as a lot of things. 

Edited January 31, 2017 by Asp Burger

[stlbf]

Never said that Nina was normal. She has a very skewed POV when it comes to mother/daughter relationships. Her own mother accidentally put a pregnant Nina in a coma to keep her away from Silas. A man Nina insisted on marrying and Madeline absolutely hated. Nathan loved Madeline until her past actions and her ultra controlling ways really came to the surface. 

As for Nathan, I'm pretty sure that Nathan said early on that he had signed away his portion of the trust for some unspecified reason. It might have been because of how Madeline and Nathan blamed Silas for Nina's coma (Silas was considered to be a gold digger by the Reeves family). 

[Lillybee]

I am still waiting for Nina's coma baby to show up. We all know that she or he will show up soon.

[NutmegsDad]

On ‎1‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 10:40 PM, LexieLily said:

Tonja Walker admitted she on her own created an entire backstory in her head for Olivia Jerome and her motivations for revenge. It's sad when the actors and actresses put in more work or understand more than the scriptwriters. 

Even sadder when she finds out that her motivation will be Reasons/Helena/Commercial Break because Sonny Ruins Everything.