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Laurel also needs a job, so that makes sense, but the whole idea that it's more effective for a DA to fight crime by running around on rooftops at night wearing leather was really never explored . . .

 

Speaking of which, before the season, didn't the writers say that Laurel's storyline this season was going to be exploring how she reconciled her day job with her night job?  I guess they dropped that?  

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dtissagirl
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What bugs me is the implication that if you are not patient, you're watching it wrong. Naw, son. You don't get to tell me how I watch TV. I'm an actual pro at doing it.

WindofChange
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Oh wow, Emily. I'm impressed because this is really brave and I'm really proud that she said this in such an eloquent way.

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Ha. Reading those stage directions, and realizing how EBR went the opposite way [curious and skeptic rather than faint by hot guy] makes me understand 100% how fucking lost they were at that time, and

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Morrigan2575

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Speaking of which, before the season, didn't the writers say that Laurel's storyline this season was going to be exploring how she reconciled her day job with her night job? I guess they dropped that?

I think they count that episode where she told Oliver that he couldn't keep Anarchy prisoner as Laurel dealing with it
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AyChihuahua

AyChihuahua

L/O was the only game in town, but there were more positive buzz about Oliver and his teenaged sister together than him with the character that was supposed to be his main (and endgame) love interest. Of course the producers started to frantically look for alternatives.

Chemistry is subjective, but when all the actual professional reviewers, executive producers, and STUDIO HEADS think there's a chemistry problem, well, there's a chemistry problem. 

because we may wonder if Katie is on the set or not? I do not think she gave her dog a makeup

Yes, she did give her dog to a makeup person. Bc having one small dog, with a very dog-friendly job, is tooooo much work.

 

People who "get rid of" their pets (and I LOATHE that phrase, bc pets are NOT FURNITURE) are my least favorite people. 

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Primal Slayer

Primal Slayer

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If someone gets rid of their dog for the right reasons I am ok with it. But I especially can't stand people who get rid of a pet/dog only to get another one and continue the process. Having a friend who went through a handfull of dogs drove me crazy. 

 

On a different note, this isn't anything major or anything but I am surprised that Arrow/Flash aren't using ‪#‎InternationalWomensDay‬ to celebrate their female characters on social media. 

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foreverevolving

foreverevolving

Chemistry is subjective, but when all the actual professional reviewers, executive producers, and STUDIO HEADS think there's a chemistry problem, well, there's a chemistry problem. 

Yes, she did give her dog to a makeup person. Bc having one small dog, with a very dog-friendly job, is tooooo much work.

 

People who "get rid of" their pets (and I LOATHE that phrase, bc pets are NOT FURNITURE) are my least favorite people. 

Preach it sister!!

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lemotomato

lemotomato

On a different note, this isn't anything major or anything but I am surprised that Arrow/Flash aren't using ‪#‎InternationalWomensDay‬ to celebrate their female characters on social media. 

The Arrow writers posted this photo on Instagram for #InternationalWomensDay.

 

I'm not surprised at the lack of activity by Arrow/Flash social media. They barely promote their female characters when there are new episodes. During a hiatus? Nah.

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AyChihuahua

AyChihuahua

My dog passed a few months ago (she was 17 years old). I could never even think of getting rid of any of my pets. One of my main requirements for looking for a new place to live is, must allow dogs.

I would pay good money to be able to take at least one of my dogs (I have three, plus 2-3 fosters at any given time) to work with me. Because I LOVE them. An emotion with which KC is unfamiliar.

Sakura12

Sakura12

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I'm jealous that Caity Lotz gets to take her dog to work with her. Beezley's always chilling in her trailer. 

 

Since she passed, this is the longest I've gone without having a dog. I had 3, she was the last one. I'm waiting until I find my new place. But I really miss having someone so excited to see me everyday and greet me at the door. I knew people that would get a dog then get rid of it only to get a new dog and do the same thing. I wanted to yell at them. Dogs may not be people, but they do know what's like to feel abandoned. 

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AyChihuahua

AyChihuahua

I knew people that would get a dog then get rid of it only to get a new dog and do the same thing. I wanted to yell at them. Dogs may not be people, but they do know what's like to feel abandoned. 

I yelled at two different people just last Saturday. One chained his dog up in the yard, which is scumbag behavior, and the other looked at one of my foster dogs and said "first thing I'd do is have his vocal cords removed." Both of them are lucky I only yelled at them in public and did not also kick them in their stupid tiny poorly-functioning gonads.  

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foreverevolving

foreverevolving

My cats are my babies! The annoying part is, I don't get why it's so hard to find an apartment with 5 cats (who are by far the cleanest and least destructive animal) but you can easily find one with a human kid or more (by far the dirtiest and most destructive animal)..

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statsgirl

statsgirl

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.Total spec: I wouldn't be surprised if the showrunners wanted to kill Laurel instead of Tommy, but the CW said no again.

I can see that going towards making Tommy the Dark Archer, after Malcolm.  Laurel and Malcolm die because of Oliver, Tommy doesn't forgive Oliver and goes down the dark path.  Wait, didn't I see that in a Spiderman movie?

 

In regards to Laurel - she might not have been THE love interest (Oliver), but she was A love interest (Tommy) and she was the future Black Canary (I am convinced it was in her contract and they had to make her BC before they could get rid of her). So it was all a matter of how is this character going to develop. 

 

I suspect that if KC had demanded that Laurel have some dignity and not sleep with Oliver when everyone still thought of her as being with Tommy that would have been ideal.  First, if they ever did circle back around to Laurel and Oliver, they still would have put the old version of their romance to bed and any later connection would be as people who had grown and learned to trust* each other and were in no way connected to their old dysfunctional relationship.

She may have been Tommy's love interest, but Oliver was the star of the show and KC wanted to be Oliver's love interest. That's reflected in the interview where she said that she thought Tommy took advantage of Laurel when they all thought Oliver was dead.

 

Sleeping with Oliver at that point = Oliver is Laurel's true love. She may have gone off track with Tommy for a while but it was always Oliver first for her. I don't think KC would have asked them to cut the sex at all because it was proof that Oliver and Laurel were soulmates..

 

Contrast Oliver and Felicity, where they have one fight in a Flash crossover and an entire city gets blown up, and then, after they break up, a future Star City becomes a bleak post-apocalyptic city whose hell is only alleviated by the occasional fabulous fur coats and a stuffed bear. Kiss and make up already, Oliver and Felicity! Not everyone can find comfort in a fur coat!

Seriously. Make up soon, this hiatus is killing me.

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thegirlsleuth

thegirlsleuth

I think that they had Oliver and Laurel jump into bed so suddenly at the end of season one in order to tie off the storyline. I think they had already decided to go the Oliver/Felicity route in season two--I think there is a Guggenheim quote to that effect out there--and therefore needed to have the culmination of the Laurel/Oliver storyline take place at the end of season one, as opposed to the end of season two or three, which might have been more organic.  

Does SA ever talk about KC without being asked directly about her? I don't really seem talking about her or praising her like he does for everyone else, EBR, DR, CL, CD and even CH. 

 

 

I think it's better this season--or maybe people have stopped asking him about her--but there was a period of time when not only would Amell not talk about KC unless asked, but he would even go so far as to change the subject.  I remember the interview where he turned the question about Katie's transformation into Black Canary into a chance to praise the costume department for their amazing work.  

 

I thought the discussion above about the crew turning against actors interesting, because I think tardiness/throwing off production schedules would enrage Amell.  I remember listening to the Girl on Guy podcast, and he talked about walking up on his first day and seeing all the crew setting up and thinking "all of these jobs depend on me", and  then pushing himself to not fail.  I think if KC had problems with tardiness and that threw off production--and based on her con behavior, that might be a problem--I think his overt campaigning for EBR and Caity makes even more sense.  

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tv echo

tv echo

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There's this MG quote (although he doesn't say when they "pick[ed] a horse")...

 

GUGGENHEIM TALKS NEW "ARROW" CHARACTERS, CALLS "LEGENDS OF TOMORROW" HIS "CRAZIEST SHOW" EVER
Thu, August 13th, 2015 at 8:02am PDT
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marc-guggenheim-talks-new-arrow-characters-legends-craziness

How much do the show's 'shippers influence you, cause you to reconsider whatever relationship plans you might have cooking?

Ooh, I love these questions, because what's great about that question is, there's no good answer. There's no answer I can give that won't get me in trouble. The only thing I can say, or the only thing I'm willing to say, is that we did not get Oliver and Felicity together because of the 'shippers. That, quite frankly, we did that because of the chemistry between Emily and Stephen, and we kept writing towards that chemistry.
 

And then we reached the point where we were like, "Wow, we're writing towards it. We've got to pick a horse -- or not pick a horse. We've got to do something here. Either that relationship is going to go forward or it needs to stop." But it really was -- we wrote to what we were seeing on the screen in the dailies. And I know there will be some people who are upset with me. But at the very least, it has the virtue of being true.
 

I mean, Felicity was never part of the original plan of the show. She was supposed to be a one off. Had we cast anyone other than Emily Rickards, she would have been a one off. And we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. But one of the great things, I feel, about television as opposed to a feature is you have an opportunity -- week in, week out -- to respond to what your actors are giving you.
 

I mean, we write so far ahead of broadcast, particularly in the first half of the year, it's impossible to respond to the fans. It's actually one of the frustrations we have. We're doing stuff now. We don't know what's going to play and what's not going to play. The only thing we can respond to is what we're seeing in the dailies. And you write towards that, or you write away from that, depending upon what's working and what's not working.

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nksarmi

nksarmi

I can see that going towards making Tommy the Dark Archer, after Malcolm.  Laurel and Malcolm die because of Oliver, Tommy doesn't forgive Oliver and goes down the dark path.  Wait, didn't I see that in a Spiderman movie?

 

She may have been Tommy's love interest, but Oliver was the star of the show and KC wanted to be Oliver's love interest. That's reflected in the interview where she said that she thought Tommy took advantage of Laurel when they all thought Oliver was dead.

 

Sleeping with Oliver at that point = Oliver is Laurel's true love. She may have gone off track with Tommy for a while but it was always Oliver first for her. I don't think KC would have asked them to cut the sex at all because it was proof that Oliver and Laurel were soulmates..

 

Seriously. Make up soon, this hiatus is killing me.

 

That's why I say that I think KC is at least partially to blame for Laurel being an awful character.  We - or at least I - put a lot of blame on the writers for plots that either don't make sense or ones I don't like.  But everyone talks about how it was clear early on that KC and SA didn't have the chemistry to carry Oliver and Laurel as a couple.  I think KC should have been able to see that and actively sought out writing that would save her character.

 

Laurel didn't have to be Oliver's love interest to be Black Canary and the co-lead of the show.  For years and years, the co-leads of Law & Order Special Victims Unit had a great dynamic while one was married and the other had different love interests.  I know that's a crime drama and this is different, but it could have worked.  I think KC just wasn't thinking of the long-term consequences of putting too many eggs in the LI basket when it clearly wasn't working. 

 

And frankly, I don't understand how she didn't see it wasn't working.  The backstory they gave Oliver and Laurel in season one was awful.  Then they had them sleep together when she was supposed to be with Tommy - his best friend.  I know Tommy had broken up with her, but he only did it because he was insecure about Oliver and both she and Oliver told him he was wrong. Then they slept together anyway.  It made them both look SO bad.  I swear if Tommy had lived and turned evil at that point, I would have been on his side.

 

The fact that KC - and Laurel by extension - could not see that Oliver did not love or respect Laurel but Tommy did probably made it impossible (or at least very unlikely) for Laurel to ever be played in such a way that I would like her.  Also, the fact that KC's head canon was that Oliver and Laurel were soul mates probably uppped the bitterness and anger she played toward Sara in season two - which made me hate her for awhile.  If it's true that KC herself had a hard time accepting Caity as part of the cast - then her own personal bad feelings probably came in as well.

 

So fast forward a couple of seasons when everything on air says that Laurel/BC has been forced on Oliver and that she only reluctantly accepts her as a partner now after a year of not wanting her around.  The newest baby momma drama emphasizes again that Oliver never really cared about Laurel.  And KC still says in an interview where EBR is sitting beside her that she thinks Laurel and Oliver are soul mates but sometimes soul mates don't end up together!??!?!?!

 

No, no, no, and no.  That is not how KC should be acting or speaking. I know she was hired to play one thing and ended up playing something else, but shit - get with the game change and make the most out of it!  It seems kind of clear at this point that KC couldn't get with the changes and she is at least partially to blame for Laurel being a shadow of what her character could have been.

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dtissagirl

dtissagirl

Laurel didn't have to be Oliver's love interest to be Black Canary and the co-lead of the show. 

 

She didn't have to be Black Canary to be co-lead, true.

 

But she had to be Oliver's love interest, yes. That was embeded in the premise of the show. Arrow is a hero's journey wherein the love of The One Woman is crucial in Oliver's redemption and development from playboy douchebag into honorable superhero. They're actually still following that exact premise, they just replaced Laurel for Felicity.

 

Shitty backstory aside, the original plan was likely to be Laurel falling for the Hood/Arrow while working with him all those nights saving the city, without knowing he was Oliver. And then probably also slowly starting to see that Oliver had changed as well. Which would cause conflict between Laurel and Tommy, and Oliver and Tommy, sustaining that triangle.

 

And at some point in S2 or S3, when Laurel finally figured out the Hood/Arrow and Oliver were the same person, she would forgive him for his past betrayals and fully support his superheroing. Which would then set Tommy into villany, and Laurel-Oliver as full partners in vigilantism and life.

 

They wanted multiple love triangles with the same characters going on there. Oliver/Laurel/Tommy, Hood/Laurel/Tommy, Hood/Laurel/Oliver. Except it blew up in their faces before it even started.

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SmallScreenDiva

SmallScreenDiva

I think that they had Oliver and Laurel jump into bed so suddenly at the end of season one in order to tie off the storyline. I think they had already decided to go the Oliver/Felicity route in season two--I think there is a Guggenheim quote to that effect out there--and therefore needed to have the culmination of the Laurel/Oliver storyline take place at the end of season one, as opposed to the end of season two or three, which might have been more organic.  

 

I think you might be thinking of this quote here: "The truth of the matter is that we sort of have to play that out first before we can play out Oliver and Felicity." Yeah, they needed to tie up L/O because they'd already picked a horse (or whatever Guggenheim calls it) and wanted the way clear for Season 2.

 

 

And 2 from shows that are not even on anymore (unless Chuck and Fringe are on reruns somewhere).

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Morrigan2575

Morrigan2575

I think that they had Oliver and Laurel jump into bed so suddenly at the end of season one in order to tie off the storyline. I think they had already decided to go the Oliver/Felicity route in season two--I think there is a Guggenheim quote to that effect out there--and therefore needed to have the culmination of the Laurel/Oliver storyline take place at the end of season one, as opposed to the end of season two or three, which might have been more organic.  

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HighHopes

HighHopes

I have a question, after visiting SA's fb page. Why would one want to watch that "Dudes being dudes"?

 

P.S. I wonder, if the HVFFs pick up, will SA stop going to other cons ?

 

I think the answer to your first question is simply "because Stephen Amell". From what I see on Twitter and Tumblr, people find him attractive enough (and like his personality enough...) to watch anything he does so they can see him. Interestingly enough, one of my classes recently talked about celebrity fathers and what happens in their careers after they have kids. There are two major trends: They take on fatherhood type roles in movies/television and they may also try to recreate their image using reality television. I find it slightly hilarious that Amell appears to have done both. (While Turtles isn't a fatherhood role, I believe part of the appeal of it for him was because it was a "kids" movie and something his daughter could watch?). 

 

I hope Amell would continue to do other cons, but I can see him limiting it to the HVFF because that's "his". Similar to how he said he only talks on his Facebook page (a video with John Barrowman) and how he was going to limit Arrow talk to his Facebook page as well... 

wonderwall

wonderwall

KCs interview re: bullying. It's a fairly good interview! Although I don't think she ever did anything on FB or twitter for that kid who went missing 12 years ago. I remember SA posting about it but not KC.I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

 

https://www.cybersmile.org/blog/catching-up-with-cybersmile-ambassador-katie-cassidy

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Guest

Guest

Yeeeesh. Awkward. 

 

I don't follow KC on social media so most of my knowledge of her is filtered through other means and I honestly wouldn't know whether she helped or not (and at the end of the day all that matters is that family reconnected), but this also wouldn't be the first time she's stuck her foot in it. And this is the internet so it's so easy to prove if she's lying or not. LOL. 

statsgirl

statsgirl

She may have followed SA's lead and tweeted about it, making it a joint venture in her eyes.

 

IIRC, the money from the shirts SA is selling this years goes to an organization that fights bullying in schools and one that takes dogs from shelters and trains them to be service dogs to vets.  From the linked interview, it sounds like Cybersmiles has made KC an ambassador to get more publicity for themselves.  Good PR for them both.

 

And frankly, I don't understand how she didn't see it wasn't working.  The backstory they gave Oliver and Laurel in season one was awful.  Then they had them sleep together when she was supposed to be with Tommy - his best friend.

I can understand how she didn't see it.

 

I don't like saying this because it sounds mean but I say it this time in KC's defense: she's not PhD material.  That's why she repeats verbatim what she's been told about her character in interviews, why she rarely goes off book when asked a question, and why she works best with Paul Blackthorne, Alex Kingston and Caity Lotz, actors who have the time (unlike SA) to go over and over the scenes with her to work out exactly what is going on with Laurel.

 

She was told that she was getting the role of an action hero in a comic book show, she was told that she was going to be the centre of a romantic triangle, and that's what she held on to. Late s3 she may have been told that she's no longer in the running for love interest but she still held on to being the co-lead of an action show.

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apinknightmare

apinknightmare

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What was the story behind this again? SA and KC are dear friends with some guy, but they just learned a few months ago that his son had been missing for twelve years? What in the world?

I *think* the guy is SA's driver. Could be KC's too, but Stephen has posted quite a few videos with the guy in them, outside of the ones about the guy's kid. Edited by apinknightmare
Midnight Lullaby

Midnight Lullaby

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I didn't see KC post anything about what happened, just SA. But even if she did and I missed it there's no reason to talk about something like that in an interview. SA after they found the kid asked everyone to please leave them alone because the situation was delicate so using it to get attention is very low IMO. The kid was taken to another country by his mom when he was little so it's clear why the situation is complicated..

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Morrigan2575

Morrigan2575

Yeah, that was all on SA, KC didn't do anything that i can recall. Given the pages of discussion on, if it was right/wrong for SA to intervene and, the discussion on parental rights and all the other shit that we talked about. I think KC chiming in would have been discussed here as well.

AyChihuahua

AyChihuahua

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They actually could have gotten in trouble for that. The Japanese national mother took the child to Japan, which is not at all pro-foreign fathers' rights. I'm not saying that to be non-PC; I'm saying it because it's true. There have been a number of similar cases. Japan only signed on to the Hague Convention re parental abduction a couple years ago, and isn't really enforcing it. You have to be really careful what you say in those kinds of situations, especially if you're going to be visiting countries with very different free speech laws than the US. 

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bijoux

bijoux

Oh, okay. For a moment I thought the major pull were supposed to be the inspirational quotes about wine, and I was worried. :)

 

Hee. Yeah, I don't really get it either. I suppose shirtless SA and Jared Padalecki are supposed to be the hook, but all I'm seeing is SA sticking his whole face in the wine glass when sniffing the stuff.

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Primal Slayer

Primal Slayer

So, what are your plans for 2016?

Work. Hopefully a film over the Arrow hiatus.

A huge thank you to our amazing Ambassador Katie for such an honest interview! Remember, if you are affected by abuse online you can visit our cyberbullying and digital abuse help center or alternatively you can check out our total access support services. For further information about Cybersmile and the work we do, please explore the following suggestions.

https://www.cybersmile.org/blog/catching-up-with-cybersmile-ambassador-katie-cassidy

 

OMG is she trying to imply something here!?!?! lol but seriously, it gives me a slight glimmer of hope but nothing to big. 

foreverevolving

foreverevolving

https://www.cybersmile.org/blog/catching-up-with-cybersmile-ambassador-katie-cassidy

 

OMG is she trying to imply something here!?!?! lol but seriously, it gives me a slight glimmer of hope but nothing to big. 

Less implying more like begging.. she probably has nothing lined up post Arrow - Acting wise- and it is possible her manager is having problems finding her a gig.. so I guess she hopes if she'll say outloud to whomever read that that she's free they may hire her for a role.

wonderwall

wonderwall

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More hope to people who don't want to believe...

 

@ArrowProdOffice

Thanks @MzKatieCassidy for treating the crew to coffee on this rainy Vancouver day! #Arrow

 

https://twitter.com/ArrowProdOffice/status/707713837068324865

 

@EmilyBett  28m28 minutes ago

Caffeinating is fun with wifey ☕@MzKatieCassidy

 

https://twitter.com/EmilyBett/status/707708809590874113

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Primal Slayer

Primal Slayer

I miss Willa and Emily interacting... I wonder why they don't interact a lot on social media anymore... 

 

[insert conspiracy theory here]

They probably couldn't come to a PR agreement.

Less implying more like begging.. she probably has nothing lined up post Arrow - Acting wise- and it is possible her manager is having problems finding her a gig.. so I guess she hopes if she'll say outloud to whomever read that that she's free they may hire her for a role.

Lol begging? ok. Because this interview is going to help get her a lot of work. 

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