Social Media and Behind the Scenes: AKA Everything Else Not "News and Media"

[Carrie Ann]

if she was as bad as some want to believe, it wouldve been made public.

 

By who? I mean, I don't really have a dog in this fight, but this is just not true. PR people and handlers are paid to keep things looking rosy, because it's in everyone's best interest, on both sides, to keep any drama out of the public eye. If KC were to suddenly sue the WB/CW because she felt she'd been unfairly treated, or I guess if she were to become very vocal (a la Ricky Whittle) about feeling abused, that would be the only time it would be in anyone's interest on the other side to open up about any problems they had with her.

Edited April 8, 2016 by Carrie Ann

[Morrigan2575]

The hashtag is calling for the cancelation of the show. So she basically supporting her besties and people who supported her like Bamford and Paul to lose their jobs.

 

Its not rumors that will make it hard for her to find a new job. Its facts. And people in the industry are aware of them.

Don't be ridiculous, KC probably has the pic of roles, I'm sure there are other Car Shows that need Spokesmodels :p

[Midnight Lullaby]

No Laurel no Arrow literary means there's no show without Laurel. It has a negative connotation in itself. #Arrow, #Laurel can have a positive or negative connotation depending on what people attach to those hashtags. A good idea IMO would have been a "we love Laurel", "Laurel is our hero" or something like that. There were tons of better options to be positive, that was not.

Edited April 8, 2016 by Midnight Lullaby

[Primal Slayer]

By who? I mean, I don't really have a dog in this fight, but this is just not true. PR people and handlers are paid to keep things looking rosy, because it's in everyone's best interest, on both sides, to keep any drama out of the public eye. If KC were to suddenly sue the WB/CW because she felt she'd been unfairly treated, or I guess if she were to become very vocal (a la Ricky Whittle) about feeling abused, that would be the only time it would be in anyone's interest on the other side to open up about any problems they had with her.

Things always end up coming to light. Backstage drama for Greys Anatomy, Desperate Housewives, Buffy, Angel, BH 90210, a lot of shows. BTS antics are what gossip magazines thrive on.

[Sakura12]

Maybe KC is too low on the totem pole that no cares to talk about her on big entertainment sites. She's not exactly a huge star. 

[Velocity23]

 

Don't be ridiculous, KC probably has the pic of roles, I'm sure there are other Car Shows that need Spokesmodels :p

I guess she turned down all the possible roles during pilot season for the amazing opportunities to be a spokesmodel at car shows! #BlessHerSoul

[Sakura12]

I for one hope KC gets another role on another network (which I know is not likely), just so I know she won't show up again in any form. 

[lemotomato]

Everything that KC is doing right now just makes me glad she's leaving.

Edited April 8, 2016 by lemotomato

[Carrie Ann]

Things always end up coming to light. Backstage drama for Greys Anatomy, Desperate Housewives, Buffy, Angel, BH 90210, a lot of shows. BTS antics are what gossip magazines thrive on.

 

Yes, things might come to light, eventually. But not often at the exact moment they're happening unless something major happens publicly--a hospital stay, entry into rehab, a public fight, statements to the media, a court case.

 

Angel is a perfect example. It took years for Charisma's side of the story to be public, and no one really knew about Glenn Quinn's addiction until after he died from it. Desperate Housewives, same. Nicollette Sheridan sued Mark Cherry, which is how all that stuff went public. That happened a few years after she was fired.

 

For Buffy, nothing was really public until toward the very end of the series, when there started to be references to certain creative disagreements, but that was about as far as it went. (I know nothing about how public anything happening on 90210 was while it was airing because I was too young, and GA has been kind of a mess from the beginning. And honestly I think that might be a Shonda thing where she's just not willing to cover for anyone causing problems on her sets, so maybe she lets stuff get out? I don't know; I'm not a fan of her shows so I don't keep up with it.)

 

So yeah, there might be rumors of discord all along, and then down the line things start spilling out that confirm that discord. That is basically exactly my point. There are rumors here, and it's in no one's interest to substantiate them--if there is anything to substantiate--because their hand hasn't been forced.

[AyChihuahua]

Sooooooo, is anyone checking out Barrowman's twitter?

Things always end up coming to light. Backstage drama for Greys Anatomy, Desperate Housewives, Buffy, Angel, BH 90210, a lot of shows. BTS antics are what gossip magazines thrive on.

The fact that non-industry people are hearing the rumors pretty much means it IS coming to light. If you think KC's antics on a CW show are going to make the cover of People, I mean, that's just never going to happen. She'd be lucky to get a blurb on page 30 if she got arrested again.

Edited April 8, 2016 by AyChihuahua

[SonofaBiscuit]

*runs to check JB's twitter*

[AyChihuahua]

*runs to check JB's twitter*

"Bye Felicia."

 

FYI, he's still doing it. It's pretty funny. He seems REALLY broken up about KC leaving.

Edited April 8, 2016 by AyChihuahua

[Morrigan2575]

Yes, things might come to light, eventually. But not often at the exact moment they're happening unless something major happens publicly--a hospital stay, entry into rehab, a public fight, statements to the media, a court case.

The thing is, this has already started to leak, I've seen two posts about it on the internet, one was brought over into the spoiler/spec thread when the the funeral pics leaked.  The other more detailed piece is floating around twitter/tumblr/ONTD I've seen a screen cap but I can't verify the source.  We've also had older leaks from both Canadagraphs/Y2John and Ken Pursuit.  CG mentioned as far back as Summer post S1 that the crew didn't like KC and that the EPs wanted to recast the character or get rid of Laurel Lance alltogether right after the filmed the pilot but the network prevented them for doing either so they were stuck with KC as LL.  Ken Pursuit also mentioned back during S2 (after getting into a fight with an LL/KC fan on twitter) that KC was lucky to have a job, so again, we've known these things for awhile people have either ignored or come up with reasons to dismiss them.  

 

These will continue to leak out but, neither KC nor CW is really high profile enough to make ET/Access Hollywood the way Dempsey's issues with Shonda did a few years back.  Hell, I don't even think Ausi will reveal that KC was the "bonkers leading lady" from his blind item and I'm 99.9999% convinced it's her.

[SonofaBiscuit]

Poor Barrowman, not sure why he's being targeted.  People are talking about getting banned on the Arrow FB page and John's response is "I didn't ban anyone. Jesus people."  Hilarious.  

 

*off to google this "bonkers leading lady" blind item*

Edited April 8, 2016 by SonofaBiscuit

[AyChihuahua]

Yeah, I love this idea that if she were hard to work with, people would know! I mean, what? We're people and we're talking about it, so yeah, people know.

[lemotomato]

  Hell, I don't even think Ausi will reveal that KC was the "bonkers leading lady" from his blind item and I'm 99.9999% convinced it's her.

Oooh, when was this?

 

Also, I disagree with the idea that KC's continued employment with the CW proves that the rumors about her being difficult to work with are wrong. I have had co-workers that were loathed by everyone that had to work with them, but they were angelic whenever the bosses were around so their employment status was never affected.

Edited April 8, 2016 by lemotomato

[pootlus]

Poor Barrowman, not sure why he's being targeted.  People are talking about getting banned on the Arrow FB page and John's response is "I didn't ban anyone. Jesus people."  Hilarious.  

 

*off to google this "bonkers leading lady" blind item*

 

It appears to be because he's not agreeing that Laurel dying is the End of All Things. I mean, it's his job, he's hardly likely to say "hey yeah, I hate this development and I'm quitting the show Monday".

 

People are getting pretty aggressive at him, good job he's got a thick skin.

[Belinea]

And honestly I think that might be a Shonda thing where she's just not willing to cover for anyone causing problems on her sets, so maybe she lets stuff get out? I don't know; I'm not a fan of her shows so I don't keep up with it.)

Well in the case of some people on GA, it ruined their careers for a very long time which I guess is a good lesson for people who develop an ego. Katherine Heigl to this day has trouble finding work. 

In Isaiah Washington's case the less said the better.... But Shonda Rimes made it perfectly clear that she won't cover for that stuff. I even have to admit that sometimes I enjoy reading that kind of gossip. Because let's be honest in any working environment are idiots and people you like. Why should it be different in these professions. 

[Sakura12]

I think with how badly the Laurel character has been handled in the past 4 years tells me everything I need to know.  If they liked her they would've given her better storylines. It makes me wonder if they were tying to make her quit when they hired CL to play The Canary in Black and gave her such a big role in season 2 while also giving her a lot of comic BC's stories. 

[Belinea]

People are getting pretty aggressive at him, good job he's got a thick skin.

 

I get that people are upset but I don't understand why people feel so entitled to their opinion that they attack actors who didn't write the show in an unfair manner. 

Oooh, when was this?

Here is the link:

http://blindgossip.com/?p=70702

 

But take it with a grain of salt. This really could be anyone... 

[lemotomato]

 

Here is the link:

http://blindgossip.com/?p=70702

 

But take it with a grain of salt. This really could be anyone... 

Boo. It's too vague.

[AyChihuahua]

Okay, so his first reaction before it got really personal and hateful boils down to "It's a drama, not a comedy, and shit happens, LOL."

 

I feel like I'm not going out on a limb when I say she really seems not to have been loved.

[Carrie Ann]

The thing is, this has already started to leak, I've seen two posts about it on the internet [...] so again, we've known these things for awhile people have either ignored or come up with reasons to dismiss them.[...] These will continue to leak out but, neither KC nor CW is really high profile enough to make ET/Access Hollywood the way Dempsey's issues with Shonda did a few years back.

 

I agree--it's just that when I'm saying "public," I mean something happening publicly that forces someone to address it, or at least the rumors being covered at the level of MSM. And ITA that Arrow/KC aren't at a level where the latter is going to happen, especially without the first bit--something happening publicly. So if people continue to be skeptical because they feel that what's out there is unsourced or hearsay or biased, I do get that instinct. My only point was to say that "if anything were true, it would be public" is just inaccurate.

Edited April 8, 2016 by Carrie Ann

[Primal Slayer]

Yes, things might come to light, eventually. But not often at the exact moment they're happening unless something major happens publicly--a hospital stay, entry into rehab, a public fight, statements to the media, a court case.

 

Angel is a perfect example. It took years for Charisma's side of the story to be public, and no one really knew about Glenn Quinn's addiction until after he died from it. Desperate Housewives, same. Nicollette Sheridan sued Mark Cherry, which is how all that stuff went public. That happened a few years after she was fired.

 

For Buffy, nothing was really public until toward the very end of the series, when there started to be references to certain creative disagreements, but that was about as far as it went. (I know nothing about how public anything happening on 90210 was while it was airing because I was too young, and GA has been kind of a mess from the beginning. And honestly I think that might be a Shonda thing where she's just not willing to cover for anyone causing problems on her sets, so maybe she lets stuff get out? I don't know; I'm not a fan of her shows so I don't keep up with it.)

 

So yeah, there might be rumors of discord all along, and then down the line things start spilling out that confirm that discord. That is basically exactly my point. There are rumors here, and it's in no one's interest to substantiate them--if there is anything to substantiate--because their hand hasn't been forced.

It was already in the papers less then a year after Angel killed off Cordelia that Joss had possibly gotten rid of Charisma due to her pregnancy. She said she didn't want to leave and was surprised by it.

 

Housewives already had plenty of backstage drama that was exposed during the show and Nicolettes problems with Cherry were already there before she sued him.

 

We were already hearing about how SMG was distancing herself from her cast mates and her relationship with Alyson fizzling out, along with SMG/JW not getting along. 

 

If she was as big of a problem, with Arrow being a big superhero show ushering in a new wave of on tv, it totally would've been covered. Just as they can't keep those spoilers from getting out, they wouldn't be keep Katies problems under wraps either and imo it would've been picked up on.  But of course, we'll see how things go in the next few months/year.

[SonofaBiscuit]

Well, at least John got a good laugh out of everything going down on his twitter.  He mentioned pissing himself multiple times while reading tweets, so he seems to find it all very funny.  Best way to deal with the negativity, I think.    

[catrox14]

It appears to be because he's not agreeing that Laurel dying is the End of All Things. I mean, it's his job, he's hardly likely to say "hey yeah, I hate this development and I'm quitting the show Monday".

 

People are getting pretty aggressive at him, good job he's got a thick skin.

 

Hooo boy. They really don't want to take on Barrowman. LOL He LOVES the show. He LOVES SA.  Barrowman has dealt with so much hate for his entire career and he can be one snarky dude but he can also scorch you and you'll thank him for it. LOL

 

He doesn't suffer fools for very long. He'll be funny and snarky but when he's done...he's done and he'll shut that shit down. 

 

I love Barrowman.

Edited April 8, 2016 by catrox14

[Belinea]

He doesn't suffer fools for very long. He'll be funny and snarky but when he's done...he's done and he'll shut that shit down. 

 

I really appreciated him when he voiced his opinion on the person fat-shaming EBR.  He was not having it.

Edited April 8, 2016 by Belinea

[Velocity23]

She was fired. She is not coming back. NEVER.

[Ann Mack]

Everything that KC is doing right now just makes me glad she's leaving.

I haven't being following her current antics what is Katie doing in regards to her being let go from Arrow? Thank you.

Edited April 8, 2016 by Ann Mack

[lemotomato]

I haven't being following her current antics what is Katie doing in regards to her being let go from Arrow? Thank you.

Favorite-ing shady tweets with the noLaurelnoArrow hashtag, thanking and following a reviewer who wrote that Olicity was killing the show. Just check out the last 2 pages on this thread.

[spartan]

She was fired. She is not coming back. NEVER.

in the interview after episode 18, Marc G. said oliver meet E2 Laurel , he said he did not want to spoil it, 

Edited April 8, 2016 by spartan

[Ann Mack]

Favorite-ing shady tweets with the noLaurelnoArrow hashtag, thanking and following a reviewer who wrote that Olicity was killing the show. Just check out the last 2 pages on this thread.

Okay thank you again.

[AyChihuahua]

in the interview after episode 18, Mars said oliver

meet E2 Laurel

, he said he did not want to spoil it, 

Mars the planet or Mars the Roman God of War?

 

 

Edited April 8, 2016 by AyChihuahua

[Delphi]

in the interview after episode 18, Mars said oliver meet E2 Laurel , he said he did not want to spoil it,

And I'd appreciate you not spoiling it either. I get your upset but don't ruin plots for me please.

[doesntworkonwood]

Mars the planet or Mars the Roman God of War?

Or Mars the chocolate bar?

[lemotomato]

On a more positive note, EBR's Represent campaign has sold 3,600+ shirts, with 12 hours left, which I think is pretty cool. I'm not sure why there was a sudden uptick of sales in the last 24 hours (she was under 3k sold on Wednesday night), but good for her and the AARDA.

[Carrie Ann]

...Just as they can't keep those spoilers from getting out, they wouldn't be keep Katies problems under wraps either and imo it would've been picked up on. But of course, we'll see how things go in the next few months/year.

 

I fundamentally disagree with your first statement here, which is why I responded in the first place. It's tough to prove a negative, but I certainly do think that "they" (and here I mean celebs and their teams, studios, networks, etc.) are able to keep problems under wraps, to a point, because that's how the business works. It's why many celebs' rehab stays come as a surprise to the public (but then often, people pop up to say, well duh, there was that anonymous post on ONTD or whatever), and some manage to go without the public ever knowing until they choose to reveal it later (or not at all). As for the other bits about the other shows, "we were hearing things" or things coming out in the "papers" at some vague point in the shows' runs or in the months/years after the fact is exactly what I was talking about, and exactly what is happening here, and has been happening for some time, as Morrigan described. People are already saying things or have heard things, true or not. That's the place we're at right now.

 

So as for your second sentence: precisely. Again, my point is just that "not public" does not equal "not true." It just means that IF something IS going on (which you do not have to believe, obviously), it's happened relatively quietly so far, and that's exactly how I would expect it to be. (And, I don't think I can or should explain myself further, so I'll tap out now.)

Edited April 8, 2016 by Carrie Ann

[AyChihuahua]

And I'd appreciate you not spoiling it either. I get your upset but don't ruin plots for me please.

Excellent point. I don't think it's a real spoiler, but I will revise my quotation of the offending post.

[looptab]

Okay, so his first reaction before it got really personal and hateful boils down to "It's a drama, not a comedy, and shit happens, LOL."

 

I feel like I'm not going out on a limb when I say she really seems not to have been loved.

I haven't read all his tweets. But he also retweeted a"killing Black Canary on a show supposedly about Green Arrow was comedy". Maybe he didn't get what the dude was saying, haha.

Edited April 8, 2016 by looptab

[spartan]

Or Mars the chocolate bar?

MARC G. 

[looptab]

And I'd appreciate you not spoiling it either. I get your upset but don't ruin plots for me please.

Don't worry, it's not a spoiler. 

[KenyaJ]

Everything that KC is doing right now just makes me glad she's leaving.

 

And it makes it less likely that anyone will want her back for guest appearances, so I say carry on, KC! Keep using that like button to your heart's content! We'll probably have to wait a while for the oral history of Arrow, but before we get to that, I'm sure JB will spill all the tea.

 

Well in the case of some people on GA, it ruined their careers for a very long time which I guess is a good lesson for people who develop an ego. Katherine Heigl to this day has trouble finding work.

 

OMG, my jaw literally dropped the other day when I saw her doing a commercial for cat litter.  Cat litter! I always hated Izzie and KH was an ungrateful git near the end of her GA run, so after I picked my jaw back up, I cackled for another two minutes or so.

Edited April 8, 2016 by KenyaJ

[Velocity23]

He didnt say that. He just made an example. Of possibilities.

[Belinea]

OMG, my jaw literally dropped the other day when I saw her doing a commercial for cat litter.  Cat litter! I always hated Izzie and KH was an ungrateful git near the end of her GA run, so after I picked my jaw back up, I cackled for another two minutes or so.

 

This is literally a good example of "Don't bite the hand that feeds you..."

[AyChihuahua]

OMG, my jaw literally dropped the other day when I saw her doing a commercial for cat litter.  Cat litter! I always hated Izzie and KH was an ungrateful git near the end of her GA run, so after I picked my jaw back up, I cackled for another two minutes or so.

The only thing that bums me about it is that she's pretty philanthropic. She opened a foundation in her brother's name after he died, and they donate a lot to animal rescue, among other worthy causes. I want her to make tons of money so she can keep funding it.

 

http://jasonheigl.foundation/

 

I give people big passes when they're good to animals (and kids, for the record).

Edited April 8, 2016 by AyChihuahua

[Morrigan2575]

Boo. It's too vague.

IF you read the update, kind of becomes a bit more obvious  http://tvline.com/2015/06/04/bones-season-11-cast-booth-brennan-david-boreanaz-emily-deschanel/

 

Remember the “bonkers leading lady” blind item I embedded in a recent Ask Ausiello? I hear the the situation has worsened considerably in the two months since that item posted. In fact, the very real possibility exists that She Who Shall Not Be Named may not be around for the entire upcoming season.

 

[Sasha]

Its not rumors that will make it hard for her to find a new job. Its facts. And people in the industry are aware of them.

I don't think it's rumors either but her lack acting talent. Unless she is playing a mean girl narcissist, that seems to be her forte.

[lemotomato]

IF you read the update, kind of becomes a bit more obvious  http://tvline.com/2015/06/04/bones-season-11-cast-booth-brennan-david-boreanaz-emily-deschanel/

The thing that makes me doubt it's KC is that they stop filming in April. What could she have been doing that would piss off the anyone working on Arrow between April and June? Maybe doing shady things at the upfronts in May? 

 

But then there's also that account by a fan who had beers with SA when he was filming TMNT that said he expressed annoyance about KC asking for more screentime. Hmm.

 

Anyway, I really hope Ausiello posts a reveal. I don't recall any other leading ladies getting kicked off their shows this season.

Edited April 8, 2016 by lemotomato

[Starfish35]

IF you read the update, kind of becomes a bit more obvious http://tvline.com/2015/06/04/bones-season-11-cast-booth-brennan-david-boreanaz-emily-deschanel/

Huh. It never occurred to me that was KC. I saw a lot of people speculate that it was Nicole Beharie, what with that thing about her biting her stylist.

[bijoux]

If someone feels like it, I'd really like the dirt on Buffy, Angel and DH gossip.

I really appreciated him when he voiced his opinion on the person fat-shaming EBR.  He was not having it.

What did he say? I found his current tweets hilarious and telling.

Huh. It never occurred to me that was KC. I saw a lot of people speculate that it was Nicole Beharie, what with that thing about her biting her stylist.

What? That's Naomi Campbell level crazy.