Season 17 Live Feed Discussion: Watch People Sleep All Day!

[Lady Calypso]

Apparently, Steve was starting to break down legitimately before the feeds went down for the veto ceremony. I can't help but feel bad for him. Sure, Steve wanted her out at one point, but he didn't orchestrate anything. It was the Austwins that wanted Vanessa out several times and Steve's almost always been loyal to Vanessa. But Vanessa can throw Steve under the bus several times and it's not a big deal.

 

Man, I hope they keep Steve, just to spite Vanessa. She doesn't get it, does she? She's making it personal and she even said to Austin that she understood and could handle where Austin was coming from, but she wouldn't for Steve. Like...what? Girl, Steve's your only loyal ally. Well, he was. Now you burned that bridge and then built a cement wall in the middle so nobody can build that bridge ever again. Again, I like Vanessa, but this time she really doesn't get it. Once Steve goes, she'll have nobody. She thinks she has the Austwins and Meg/James, but she doesn't. She played a bad hand here, all because she had to believe Liz when she said Steve orchestrated it all. 

[Ceeg]

This is so classic Vanessa. She's implementing her victim strategy when she is no victim at all. She has talked about getting rid of Steve many times, thrown him UTB many times, but now she is the victim. In fact, I think her whole origin myth centers around her being the victim. I feel bad for her girlfriend.

I think what is getting Vanessa is that Steve was willingly part of a 5-person alliance whose almost sole mission was to get rid of Vanessa. It would be the equivalent of Vanessa teaming up with James and Meg to specifically get rid of Steve.

 

Steve should have used the blowup as an opportunity to call Austin out on how he has alliances with every person in the house. Instead, Steve has no spine, backtracked, and then apologized over and over and over.

Apparently, Steve was starting to break down legitimately before the feeds went down for the veto ceremony. I can't help but feel bad for him. 

I was watching the feeds and didn't see Steve break down at all.

[pennben]

 

This should maybe clue James and Meg into the fact that the Austwins are playing all sides of the house? Nah, it'll go right over their heads sadly.

 

My favorite part was Meg trying to figure out who, in an 8 person house, was in an alliance of 5 (that did not include her or James) that was targetting Vanessa.  Who, who could it be??????

[blixie]

Well we are talking about someone who could not identify her own FACE.

[Stinamaia]

I think what is getting Vanessa is that Steve was willingly part of a 5-person alliance whose almost sole mission was to get rid of Vanessa. It would be the equivalent of Vanessa teaming up with James and Meg to specifically get rid of Steve.

 

Steve should have used the blowup as an opportunity to call Austin out on how he has alliances with every person in the house. Instead, Steve has no spine, backtracked, and then apologized over and over and over.

I was watching the feeds and didn't see Steve break down at all.

What is getting to Vanessa is confirmation that she was the target of several people she ought she was controlling separately. She would have been as upset no matter who it had been. She would have pulled out her, "I'm all alone" stichk no matter who it was. The odd thing is that I really do think Vanessa does feel she is all alone. She hasn't made the personal connections others, even Steve!, have made. She's not alone in terms of alliances though and never has been.

[Ceeg]

What is getting to Vanessa is confirmation that she was the target of several people she ought she was controlling separately. She would have been as upset no matter who it had been. She would have pulled out her, "I'm all alone" stichk no matter who it was. The odd thing is that I really do think Vanessa does feel she is all alone. She hasn't made the personal connections others, even Steve!, have made. She's not alone in terms of alliances though and never has been.

I'm not so sure about that, because she's not mad at John and she's not mad at the Austwins. Unless she was faking it, but I don't think Vanessa is very good at hiding her emotions. She seemed totally fine with the Austwins, because she acknowledged that they actually did have reason to distrust and doubt her. John was never aligned with her so she doesn't care about him. But she never did anything directly to Steve to make him want to specifically target her like that, and that's why she's zeroing her anger in on him and not the other four.

 

I just can't get over how horribly Steve has reacted to all of this.

Edited August 24, 2015 by Ceeg

[Stinamaia]

My opinion she is zeroing in on him because she can. She owes Johnny for telling her and she doesn't dare get the three headed monster upset just now. She also sees Steve as more of a threat because next to herself, she views Steve as the smartest one in the house. She is also mad because she thought she had snowed him. Yes, I think she has actual feelings of betrayal, but they are feelings she is manufacturing out of emotion and not rationality. She's allowing herself to vent it on Steve because he has few defenses. Well, he has them but he's too cautious to use them for fear of being voted out. He's the perfect one to bully and in so doing she can use him as a foil to mask her feelings about others.

[Ceeg]

I don't think calling someone out, privately, for being in an alliance to evict you, is bullying. Vanessa didn't even want to talk to him, she kept asking him to leave her alone.

[pennben]

Apparently Vanessa blasted at least Steve in the Veto meeting.

[kellog010]

In watching the feeds, I feel Steve turned on Vanessa way before she turned on him. I can see why she would be personally hurt by Steve's actions.

[LADreamr]

My favorite part was Meg trying to figure out who, in an 8 person house, was in an alliance of 5 (that did not include her or James) that was targetting Vanessa. Who, who could it be??????

I'm so sick of her, in general. I would love for her to be the one to go this week, or at least see her have to work for something. This entitled laziness because she expects someone else will always take care of her wore thin a long time ago.

[Former Nun]

Vanessa didn't even want to talk to him, she kept asking him to leave her alone.

 

 

Did she EVER leave anyone alone who asked her?  Maybe for 30 seconds, but she was back talking nonstop.

[mooses]

Apparently, Steve was starting to break down legitimately before the feeds went down for the veto ceremony. I can't help but feel bad for him. Sure, Steve wanted her out at one point, but he didn't orchestrate anything. It was the Austwins that wanted Vanessa out several times and Steve's almost always been loyal to Vanessa. But Vanessa can throw Steve under the bus several times and it's not a big deal.

Steve has basically been done with Vanessa since he thought she was going to be evicted over Shelli. And part of Steve's act is to break down and act weak. He did it after the DE,very successfully.

That said, I don't think it's smart of Vanessa to go on a rampage against him unless it's some sort of orchestrated thing between the two. They had just reached an understanding and a partnership against the Austwins, which is exactly what Vanessa needed. To throw that out just makes the Austwins and Campers stronger.

Edited August 24, 2015 by mooses

[Stinamaia]

Steve has basically been done with Vanessa since he thought she was going to be evicted over Shelli. And part of Steve's act is to break down and act weak. He did it after the DE,very successfully.

That said, I don't think it's smart of Vanessa to go on a rampage against him unless it's some sort of orchestrated thing between the two. They had just reached an understanding and a partnership against the Austwins, which is exactly what Vanessa needed. To throw that out just makes the Austwins and Campers stronger.

Maybe, she'll come back to him in private and say that she did it for show and now they can have a secret alliance

[pennben]

 

Did she EVER leave anyone alone who asked her?

 

Actually yes, just the other night Steve said he "wasn't in the right frame of mind" (his code for this could be an uncomfortable conversation so I don't want to have it) to talk to Vanessa, so she left him alone.  She wanted to talk alone to Austin as well that night, he said no, she left.  The problem is that most folks just don't say that to Vanessa.

[Ceeg]

Did she EVER leave anyone alone who asked her?  Maybe for 30 seconds, but she was back talking nonstop.

My point was that Vanessa can't bully someone she doesn't even want to talk to. And I can't really remember most people asking her for space anyway, other than Steve (which she grants).

 

 

Thay said, I don't think it's smart of Vanessa to go on a rampage against him unless it's some sort of orchestrated thing between the two. They had just reached an understanding and a partnership against the Austwins, which is exactly what Vanessa needed. To throw that out just makes the Austwins and Campers stronger.

Yeah today was so messy from pretty much everyone. John fucked himself bc now the twins won't vote for him. Steve fucked himself because he's weak as hell and couldn't stand up for himself, and couldn't manage to throw Austin under the bus to James/Meg, and now no one trusts him. Vanessa went off the handle and is acting like her normal crazycakes self, and now her only Final 2 (sham as it was) is done. James and Meg are clueless, even when everything is obvious. The Austwins are in a bad place if John/Steve is the HG who comes back, or if James/Meg decide to put use to the one brain cell they have between them.

Edited August 24, 2015 by Ceeg

[mooses]

Austin trying to "explain" himself to John by saying he was trying to honor his deals with everyone in the House. And that Vanessa wasn't going to use the Veto ever, but she actually wants to keep John? I guess he's trying to say it wasn't his fault the Veto wasn't used, but I don't get how this is helping.

I've missed an eventful weekend of feeds - can someone explain what Austin is trying to accomplish here?

[Katesus7]

He's trying to cover his ass in case whoever between Johnny Mac and Steve gets booted immediately comes back in and wins HOH. 

[Ceeg]

I've missed an eventful weekend of feeds - can someone explain what Austin is trying to accomplish here?

Austin is trying to put all the blame on Vanessa for not using the veto. Except that she's not using the veto because the Austwins told her not to. Vanessa doesn't have the votes anyway. But Austin doesn't want people to think he had any part in the decision to not use the veto. Basically, he's using Vanessa as a scapegoat in case John comes back into the game next week. It's the same way Steve somehow escaped all blame for his HOH nominations and Jackie eviction. The power of Vanessa!

Edited August 24, 2015 by Ceeg

[mooses]

Austin is trying to put all the blame on Vanessa for not using the veto. Except that she's not using the veto because the Austwins told her not to. Vanessa doesn't have the votes anyway. But Austin doesn't want people to think he had any part in the decision to not use the veto. Basically, he's using Vanessa as a scapegoat in case John comes back into the game next week. It's the same way Steve somehow escaped all blame for his HOH nominations and Jackie eviction. The power of Vanessa!

Gotcha! But it seems weird his pitch is "Vanessa keeps coming to me wanting to keep you" is the right way to turn John back against Vanessa. And admitting you were playing all sides of the House seems a little risky to get people on your side.

Edited August 24, 2015 by mooses

[Laika]

Kinda loving JMac right now. He's clearly in the IDGAF stage of his game.

[blixie]

 

But it seems weird his pitch is "Vanessa keeps coming to me wanting to keep you" is the right way to turn John back against Vanessa.

 

Because Austin has no idea what he's doing, he's mostly trying to "contain" it so that the ONE brain cell shared by DORY THE FISH alliance is not activated. If John/Vanessa/Steve are all at each other, they won't draw Meg/James into it, but dude there is SOOOO much time to take them to GAME SCHOOL and illustrate a white board. 

 

The People's Front of Judea and the Judean People's Front need to UNITE for one damn week, that is all I ask.

Edited August 24, 2015 by blixie

[Stinamaia]

Austin is trying to put all the blame on Vanessa for not using the veto. Except that she's not using the veto because the Austwins told her not to. Vanessa doesn't have the votes anyway. But Austin doesn't want people to think he had any part in the decision to not use the veto. Basically, he's using Vanessa as a scapegoat in case John comes back into the game next week. It's the same way Steve somehow escaped all blame for his HOH nominations and Jackie eviction. The power of Vanessa!

Shades of Vanessa putting the blame for her decisions on others.

[Lady Calypso]

You know, if Steve was brave enough, he could go to James/Meg and say "hey, look guys. Vanessa now hates me and I'm her number one target. If you keep me around, I'll be the bigger target, and I'll work with you and whoever comes back into the house since nobody on that side trusts me and thinks I'm a liability anyway." Then, he could have the votes to stay. 

 

Also, I REALLY want to see Vanessa's face when things don't go her way. 

[Stinamaia]

You know, if Steve was brave enough, he could go to James/Meg and say "hey, look guys. Vanessa now hates me and I'm her number one target. If you keep me around, I'll be the bigger target, and I'll work with you and whoever comes back into the house since nobody on that side trusts me and thinks I'm a liability anyway." Then, he could have the votes to stay. 

 

Also, I REALLY want to see Vanessa's face when things don't go her way.

But do James and Meg see themselves on the outside? Can Steve convince them?

[cocobeans]

This is so classic Vanessa. She's implementing her victim strategy when she is no victim at all. She has talked about getting rid of Steve many times, thrown him UTB many times, but now she is the victim. In fact, I think her whole origin myth centers around her being the victim. I feel bad for her girlfriend.

I have thought about how awful it must be to have a lovers spat with Vanessa* and her verbal vomit.  Hopefully this is just her in-the-house persona, and not how she handles real life interactions.  Dog with a bone comes to mind...

 

*I'm sure Vanessa is a lovely person and a wonderful partner, just not my cup of tea in the 'interpersonal communication style' department 

[mooses]

You know, if Steve was brave enough, he could go to James/Meg and say "hey, look guys. Vanessa now hates me and I'm her number one target. If you keep me around, I'll be the bigger target, and I'll work with you and whoever comes back into the house since nobody on that side trusts me and thinks I'm a liability anyway." Then, he could have the votes to stay. 

 

Also, I REALLY want to see Vanessa's face when things don't go her way. 

 

Part of me thinks this is Vanessa's play, too. She's so independent now, didn't you see the fight, guys?! But I think Steve is going to be fine. John has told Austin multiple times he's targeting the trio if he's still in the House. No way James and Meg side with Vanessa, and the twins will want John gone ASAP.

[Cutty]

In watching the feeds, I feel Steve turned on Vanessa way before she turned on him. I can see why she would be personally hurt by Steve's actions.

Steve has always been expendable to Vanessa. She tried to get him nominated the week James put Clelli up.

[blixie]

I don't want Steve distracting James/Meg from Austwins targeting, which he will do, because the Austwins still like him. Fuck that. Vanessa is the only one ticked at him and they've made up once they can make up again. 

[Brian Cronin]

It's just so silly. "I am so mad at you, Steve. So mad that I'm not going to take John off of the block, which is the only way I could have an actual effect on getting you out of the game." 

[Ceeg]

At this point, best (only?) case scenario for the Austwins to be targeted next week is if John gets the buyback comp and then wins HOH. Becky might but I can see Shelli and Jackie warping her brain to go after Vanessa. Jackie is a lost cause. Shelli is a wildcard, because with John gone she really will have no one so she might need Vanessa. But Shelli might go after James rather than the Austwins, initially.

[Cutty]

These hamsters are so fickle Vanessa and Steve will be BFFs again by dinner.

[peachmangosteen]

He's got the Shelli Syndrome. Upset when Vanessa won't take all the blame.

 

Otherwise known as Vanessa Syndrome.

 

  Didn't it come into the House in Liz's HoH basket?

 

Maybe. I had already forgotten Liz won one of the dual hohs lol.

 

This is so classic Vanessa. She's implementing her victim strategy when she is no victim at all. She has talked about getting rid of Steve many times, thrown him UTB many times, but now she is the victim. In fact, I think her whole origin myth centers around her being the victim. I feel bad for her girlfriend.

 

This. I feel bad for anyone who has to have daily interactions with her tbh.

 

Did she EVER leave anyone alone who asked her?  Maybe for 30 seconds, but she was back talking nonstop.

 

Exactly. You reap what you sow, Vanessa.

 

Steve has always been expendable to Vanessa. She tried to get him nominated the week James put Clelli up.

 

I agree. Vanessa being so personally betrayed by Steve making game moves against her drives me up a wall. She would've dropped Steve like a hot potato the second she thought it was good for her game.

[blixie]

Austin regarding Johnny Mac: I don't think he fully gets the game.

 

Heee.

 

Also Julia and Vanessa  are having a good talk, I'm so glad I love them together, even though you can tell she's partially like, SHOOT ME, I think she's glad to be talking game so much with someone other than Liztin, so she can shit talk about Austin and think through scenarios to get him out. Apparently they've cleared the air, but again Julia has always liked Van the most of all of them, as she is the only one to have a independent relationship with her besides Liz and Steve.

Edited August 24, 2015 by blixie

[mooses]

Otherwise known as Vanessa Syndrome.

 

Fair enough. They are such a dysfunctional alliance, but I'm impressed how much they've circled back to each other. I thought it was done after last week, and thought Vanessa would be Vanessa-ing right now, but she's outside with Julia smoothing things over, or at least trying to. 

Edited August 24, 2015 by mooses

[peachmangosteen]

It'll be interesting to see how that alliance deals with Vanessa wanting Steve out and the twins wanting John out. I figure the twins will fold pretty easily and Steve will go, but they might bitch about it next week, especially if Vanessa doesn't win HOH.

Edited August 24, 2015 by peachmangosteen

[Ceeg]

In her talks with Julia, I wish that Vanessa would try to make a tentative agreement with Julia that she's her Austin. I think Julia would jump all over that. Especially since Liz keeps badgering her about not winning comps. And I think Julia would choose an agreement with Vanessa, who is alone, over a 5-person alliance with Meg and James, who are a duo.

[blixie]

Yup, I think Julia wants that too, she just needs Van to bet he one to CONTROL her. Heh.

[mooses]

alone

 

I think you mean Solo Dolo!

[Vicky]

Might this 'fight' between Vanessa and Steve be Vanessa's way of keeping Steve safe?  (If Vanessa wants Steve out, it's good for her game - not good for our game, so we better keep Steve)

I keep hoping (?) there's more going on below the surface than we're aware of.

 

Or, I wonder if she's half mad about the betrayal and half acting more upset because it will be easier to get Steve back to her if he thinks he's hurt her and he wants back into her good graces.  

 

There has to be a plan to get out Austin and Liz and even Julia before the finals or what's the point of staying in the house?

 

The only way it happens is if Vanessa and one of either Steve/John team up with Meg and James and the returning juror.  Someone has to start that ball rolling.

Considering how Steve and Vanessa think, it seems unlikely they wouldn't have thought that far down the road already.

 

Well, this is what I'm hoping for...if that isn't in the works then what am I watching this show for?

Edited August 24, 2015 by Vicky

[peachmangosteen]

"I'm on TV right now, so I don't want to act a fool." Oh, Vanessa. That ship sailed at least a month ago.

[blixie]

Hah Vanessa is pacing and distressed by the non-game socializing in the Kitchen. She asks where Austin is, in hopes of talking about game. Oh V. She keeps insisting she's rational. Noooo, not here, at the poker table sure.

 

She walks in on Steve and very reasonable says she needs time before she talks it out with him, but Steve is ALSO very reasonable, they are definitely going to be fine.Probably.

[Ceeg]

"I'm on TV right now, so I don't want to act a fool." Oh, Vanessa. That ship sailed at least a month ago.

 

LOL I laughed out loud when she said that and I'm a Vanessa fan.

[peachmangosteen]

Another gem from Vanessa: "I'm not an emotional person." LOL.

[Ceeg]

Another gem from Vanessa: "I'm not an emotional person." LOL.

I'm sorry but Vanessa is feeds gold. Do you know what we'd be talking about today if Vanessa wasn't in here freaking out? Potball and Meg's sleeping patterns.

 

Austin and Vanessa are talking about Audrey right now, and I miss her too. Her game sucked, and when she got BDed she literally laid down and did nothing, but she was still good for the feeds back then.

"Audrey might not have been America's Player, she might have just been a clusterfuck" - Austin, FINALLY GETS IT

Edited August 24, 2015 by Ceeg

[RedheadZombie]

Has the cast always been so self-aware regarding how they're portrayed, or is this fallout from the racist season, and the Christine hate?  Austin seems obsessed with John's excessive DRs and what that implies, and Liz whines that the DR hates her because they haven't called her in to ask her about Zingbot.  Yet they say things like, "just between you and me" (as if the cameras aren't there), and Liz seems to think if she keeps her back to the camera, she'll look like she's sleeping during a makeout session.

 

Is Meg as out of the loop as she seems?  When talking to someone about targets, she pointed out that Jason told them to get out Shelli and Steve.  First of all, why are you listening to someone who didn't play that well himself?  But more than that, the house dynamics have changed drastically since Jason was there.  Why go on such outdated info?

 

Lastly, Austin seems to be making deals with James - making James swear to do xyz if he and Meg are safe.  Is Austin's memory so short he doesn't recall James' pledge to Shelli?  James said when he made a pledge, it was up to HIM to decide if the deal was valid.  So maybe James wins HOH next week and decides his deal with Austin isn't valid?  I would relish seeing the look on Austin's face if James put him up.  The strategy of voting out the most boring people and keeping the most fun, is stupid beyond belief.  It's the strategy of a five year old.

 

Ok, this one is truly last.  Why is it assumed there's no chance Meg wins?  If she lucked into an accidental win or two, isn't that almost on par with Jordan?  I think Jordan won because she was likable, non-offensive, and was sitting next to a snake.  Not to take anything away from Jordan - I was happy to see her win.  It could be argued that spending that much time in that house of horrors without pissing anyone off is a strategy.

[blixie]

Austin just basically did what John did with him. He argues to V why would he get rid Vanessa she's one of his "people", why would he get rid of her and then said it's just like Steve now we want to keep him as shield, we probably shouldn't get rid of him. Johnny Mac, not the only one who doesn't get the game. Heh.

[Ceeg]

"Using the veto on me would be like asking a lion and a gazelle to have a meal together" -- Apparently John said that to Vanessa in the veto ceremony, according to the twins. LOL, what? 

[pennben]

I just heard that too.  I know some in BB land have thought he is a quiet mastermind, but what the holy hell was that?  I think he just assumed he was going and just wanted to go out with a bang, I guess.

Edited August 24, 2015 by pennben

[Ceeg]

"I don't care, whoever puts us up against each other, you are not getting my jury vote. I don't care if you're up against Meg, you will not get my vote." -- Liz, talking to Julia

 

And that basically sums up why no one will go after the Austwins. The returning HG is the only hope, because they have nothing to lose.