One is the Loneliest Number: Unpopular GG Opinions

[Taryn74]

2 hours ago, Katy M said:

Yes, that's hilarious.  I also love the scene where they find it and Jess is astounded that someone would go to the trouble to make devilled eggs to throw at his car (which, of course, they didn't). 

I actually don't think Jess had done anything to deserve the devilled egging, but as a TV show scene, it's quite funny.

The way he says "Someone prepared deviled eggs to throw at my car?" and Luke's "Well, that is paprika" kills me every time.

[peacheslatour]

1 hour ago, Taryn74 said:

The way he says "Someone prepared deviled eggs to throw at my car?" and Luke's "Well, that is paprika" kills me every time.

[iwantcookies]

Jess wasn’t that bad. What made him a bad boy?

I too do not see him as a hottie. He is plain looking. 
 

Luke made a hole in a wall for Jess”s bedroom. But they never got a bigger place for them.

Edited May 9, 2022 by iwantcookies

[chessiegal]

2 hours ago, iwantcookies said:

Luke made a hole in a wall for Jess”s bedroom. But they never got a bigger place for them.

Luke bought the building next door - that's where the hole in the wall went to. So he did make the place bigger.

[andromeda331]

4 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I love Luke's line. He's also right you would assume someone taking the time to prepare devil eggs and throwing them at his car, had to hate him a lot.

[andromeda331]

@iwantcookies in season four thread made me think how badly Lorelai, Rory and Paris dump guys. Lorelai freaks out and dumps Max in Paris is Burning by breaking off all communications and trying to get Rory return the book for him (he's still an ass for breaking up with her at the end of the episode) and while we don't see their break up later when Lorelai calls off the wedding what we do see is terrible with her running off with Rory, and Rory and Sookie both later say it was crappy. Dumping Jason is kind of mild but he had every right to sue Richard after what Richard did to him.  Her ultimatium to Luke after months of freaking out because their wedding is canceled because Luke's stressed out over his new found daughter and then running of to sleep with Christopher (I still hate Christopher, someone shows up at your apartment clearly upset and a mess you don't have sex with them.).

Paris cheating on Jamie, avoiding him the whole episode when he visits. Then calling him (prompted by Rory) and coldly dumping him over the phone and on his birthday. Then asking Rory what she thought was going to happen who was watched it. Ah, maybe not dumping him that coldly Paris? 

Rory of course being the worse. Always forcing the boyfriend to break up with her. She forces Dean to dump her twice because she fell for someone else and refuses to break up with him. The first one after months of wanting to be with Jess and jealous of his girlfriend, finally tries to use Dean at the dance-a-thon to make him jealous. Dean finally has enough and breaks up with her. Then she dares to ask what did she do, as if she doesn't have a clue why Dean just dumped her. Ah, really Rory? Your behavior the last several months and at the dance-a-thon and you don't know? Sadly she doesn't learn from it all round two Dean and Rory, this time she falls for Logan. She's clearly into him but won't break up with Dean. She even forgets that Dean was picking her up at the Yale party because she was too busy having fun with Logan and his idiot friends. I love how she's surprised that he breaks up with her. Of course in the revival completely forgetting all about breaking up Paul all year long. 

Are there anymore that I'm forgetting?

[andromeda331]

Jason's a weird character for me. I like his banter with Lorelai but he keeps coming off to me of how a son raised by Richard and Emily would turn out if Lorelai had a brother or if Lorelai had been a boy and never ran off. Anyone else get that feeling from him?  

[Anela]

15 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

@iwantcookies in season four thread made me think how badly Lorelai, Rory and Paris dump guys. Lorelai freaks out and dumps Max in Paris is Burning by breaking off all communications and trying to get Rory return the book for him (he's still an ass for breaking up with her at the end of the episode) and while we don't see their break up later when Lorelai calls off the wedding what we do see is terrible with her running off with Rory, and Rory and Sookie both later say it was crappy. Dumping Jason is kind of mild but he had every right to sue Richard after what Richard did to him.  Her ultimatium to Luke after months of freaking out because their wedding is canceled because Luke's stressed out over his new found daughter and then running of to sleep with Christopher (I still hate Christopher, someone shows up at your apartment clearly upset and a mess you don't have sex with them.).

Paris cheating on Jamie, avoiding him the whole episode when he visits. Then calling him (prompted by Rory) and coldly dumping him over the phone and on his birthday. Then asking Rory what she thought was going to happen who was watched it. Ah, maybe not dumping him that coldly Paris? 

Rory of course being the worse. Always forcing the boyfriend to break up with her. She forces Dean to dump her twice because she fell for someone else and refuses to break up with him. The first one after months of wanting to be with Jess and jealous of his girlfriend, finally tries to use Dean at the dance-a-thon to make him jealous. Dean finally has enough and breaks up with her. Then she dares to ask what did she do, as if she doesn't have a clue why Dean just dumped her. Ah, really Rory? Your behavior the last several months and at the dance-a-thon and you don't know? Sadly she doesn't learn from it all round two Dean and Rory, this time she falls for Logan. She's clearly into him but won't break up with Dean. She even forgets that Dean was picking her up at the Yale party because she was too busy having fun with Logan and his idiot friends. I love how she's surprised that he breaks up with her. Of course in the revival completely forgetting all about breaking up Paul all year long. 

Are there anymore that I'm forgetting?

I agree, but when Dean dumped her the third time? That's on him. He was the one who cheated on his wife, then treated Rory like crap, thanks to his guilt over hurting his ex. He was pissed that she went to Europe, and acted like his cheating was all her fault. 

As adults, out of the guys, Jess became my favourite. He really grew up, from what we've seen. I'm Team Single, but out of the three, Dean was happily married, and Logan was cheating on his fiance, with Rory. That doesn't make it "true love" and I never understand the Logan love. He's acting like a boyfriend, when he's engaged to another woman.

Edited May 9, 2022 by Anela

[andromeda331]

2 hours ago, Anela said:

I agree, but when Dean dumped her the third time? That's on him. He was the one who cheated on his wife, then treated Rory like crap, thanks to his guilt over hurting his ex. He was pissed that she went to Europe, and acted like his cheating was all her fault. 

Good point. 

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As adults, out of the guys, Jess became my favourite. He really grew up, from what we've seen. I'm Team Single, but out of the three, Dean was happily married, and Logan was cheating on his fiance, with Rory. That doesn't make it "true love" and I never understand the Logan love. He's acting like a boyfriend, when he's engaged to another woman.

I'm Team Nobody. I'm glad Dean is happily married. I always hoped with his mechanical skills he went working for a car company or became a mechanic. 

Jess was better in the revival but I wish we knew more about his life. What did he do for a living? Is he an author? Did he go into something else? What is he up to? Why is he hanging around Stars Hollow so much since he never actually liked the town. 

I agree about Logan. I hated him in the series although he get better in season seven until he decided to arrange his and Rory's lives without talking to her about, proposed and told her he didn't want to do the long distance thing anymore when she said no. That whole thing was crappy thing to do, he gave Rory no warning, and decided to break up when she said no. Even though he told her in a previous episode not to worry about him as when trying to get a job. They'd figure it out.  Then returned to being a horrible person in the revival.  

[Taryn74]

4 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Jason's a weird character for me. I like his banter with Lorelai but he keeps coming off to me of how a son raised by Richard and Emily would turn out if Lorelai had a brother or if Lorelai had been a boy and never ran off. Anyone else get that feeling from him?  

Yeah, sometimes Jason really cracks me up but overall he's such an arrogant prick I can't really stand him. Never saw any chemistry between him and Lorelai, either. He'd have been a better character as a long-distance relative who pops in from time to time for laughs rather than a love interest.

And did I mention he was an arrogant prick? Because he really, really was.

[andromeda331]

2 hours ago, Taryn74 said:

Yeah, sometimes Jason really cracks me up but overall he's such an arrogant prick I can't really stand him. Never saw any chemistry between him and Lorelai, either. He'd have been a better character as a long-distance relative who pops in from time to time for laughs rather than a love interest.

And did I mention he was an arrogant prick? Because he really, really was.

Yes, and yes he really was. Yeah, they should have made him a relative. Maybe Richard's nephew or something.

[Kiki777]

I really liked Jason!  😂 speaking of unpopular opinions.  I didn’t see him as arrogant (now Logan - he was arrogant).  Jason had a sort of self-deprecating sense of humor.

[SJC]

On 5/7/2022 at 4:49 PM, peacheslatour said:

I really like your new avatar. I thought Rory looked her most beautiful in that episode.

Thanx. 

Me to.🤗

[Dmags21]

Just coming here to say that oh my goodness! 
little Tom is starting to look so, so much like his daddy.  
 

seeing really young Jared, with his dimples and his short hair and seeing recent pics of Tom and it’s amazing!  
 

[Keywestclubkid]

Why was Rory just sitting there saying NOTHING when the maid was being basically "accused" of stealing Emilys box that Logan had swiped? What was that? IF Her mom hadn't been there would she have let that woman take the fall and get fired? 

[Katy M]

1 minute ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Why was Rory just sitting there saying NOTHING when the maid was being basically "accused" of stealing Emilys box that Logan had swiped? What was that? IF Her mom hadn't been there would she have let that woman take the fall and get fired? 

I agree that was awful of Rory. But, realistically, that maid probably got fired for something else about 2 days later anyway.  

[Keywestclubkid]

1 minute ago, Katy M said:

 that maid probably got fired for something else about 2 days later anyway.  

Tru but it would have been for something she actually DID ya know what I'm saying .. :) 

[andromeda331]

7 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Tru but it would have been for something she actually DID ya know what I'm saying .. :) 

Yes, at least when she's fired later it's because something she did or Emily being impossible. Not because some stupid rich asshole decided to steal something because it was some game. I hate Logan. I hate Rory. She was no problem with him stealing something from her grandparents? Stealing from other people? She also knows her grandmother Emily would notice. Yet another scene where I don't get why Rory is into Logan. 

Edited June 25, 2022 by andromeda331

[ALittleShelfish]

6 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Why was Rory just sitting there saying NOTHING when the maid was being basically "accused" of stealing Emilys box that Logan had swiped? What was that? IF Her mom hadn't been there would she have let that woman take the fall and get fired? 

I watched this episode this afternoon!  Every time I see it, I become more irrationally angry than the last time I saw it.  Not just Rory's "lalalalalala i have no idea what's going on" but Lorelei's sing-songy "Oh hey mom, heeeeeere it is!" voice that could have been so much... more.  

I don't have much of an UO on this epi.  Currently on, is Fight Face and I actually really like TJ and Liz.  One of my favorite parts with TJ is when he is a Fake Contractor.  So funny to me!

[Kiki777]

18 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Yes, at least when she's fired later it's because something she did or Emily being impossible. Not because some stupid rich asshole decided to steal something because it was some game. I hate Logan. I hate Rory. She was no problem with him stealing something from her grandparents? Stealing from other people? She also knows her grandmother Emily would notice. Yet another scene where I don't get why Rory is into Logan. 

My UO is that Rory mayyyyyy have eventually gotten to love Logan, but she was initially into his connections and money on some level. She barely have a crap about him until she knew he was from a big newspaper family.  And there was something so dark and weird about ‘But I’m a Gilmore’ when his family looked down their noses at her and she ranted to Logan about her prep-school past and coming-out party (things Season 1-4 Rory didn’t really care about, but now threw out as a way to validate herself within a group of Uber-rich snobs). Plus that nasty way she put down Honor’s fiancé because he didn’t talk much and didn’t recognize the painting as a Velasquez (how would she have known this since it probably wasn’t his first time in their house?).   Then later in their relationship acting like the lady of the manor at his family’s vacation home in Martha’s Vineyard, and salivating over their proposed trip to Asia.  It was just weird and uncomfortable and part of what made later-seasons Rory so unlikeable.

[KatWay]

Logan's last episode and revival plots always felt so much like a plot device to me, the whole well you won't marry me, bye then, thing, which was obviously just a convenient way to end the series with Rory unattached - there was zero indication that they weren't suited for long distance or willing to move close to each other at some point - and the straight out of a Regency novel plot with the family-approved fiancée he HAD to marry (uh, why?) while still in love with Rory. Again, convenient way to make him Rory's Christopher and then ship him off screen.

I'm not a huge fan of Logan but I'd say out of the three he was Rory's most mature relationship, they had fairly realistic conflicts and seemed to gel well. It's a pity those three options were apparently all she was ever gonna get.

Huge waste IMO not to have Rory date someone new in the Revival (for real, not running joke Paul), I think it would have been great for her to meet someone who didn't know all this drama already, and maybe someone working class but smart, could have made for interesting scenes with Emily and would have made Rory seem less elitist after S6-7.

Edited June 26, 2022 by KatWay

[Keywestclubkid]

The episode where she is redecorating the inn (I love me some traci lords) and freaks out cause she can’t use the same decorator that her mother has used… This reaction has always bugged me .. Seriously what secrets did she think she would sneak back and tell her Mother? I’d say a good 45/50% of problems she has with her mother are IN her HEAD. 

[Kiki777]

Right?? It does bug me though, that we never found out how Emily learned of Sookie’s pregnancy.

[SJC]

4 hours ago, Kiki777 said:

we never found out how Emily learned of Sookie’s pregnancy

And then she acted so bothered that Lorelai didn't tell her. 😂

[Taryn74]

5 hours ago, Kiki777 said:

Right?? It does bug me though, that we never found out how Emily learned of Sookie’s pregnancy.

My money is on Michel telling her. She probably called the Inn for something and Michel mentioned it. And then when she saw how silly Lorelai was being about it she made it into a big mystery just to bug her LOL.

[Keywestclubkid]

16 hours ago, Taryn74 said:

 And then when she saw how silly Lorelai was being about it she made it into a big mystery just to bug her LOL.

Which is exactly like something Lorelai herself would do ... she is more like her mother then she ever cared to admit LOL 

It didn't matter what her mothers stance on anything really is/was because even she admitted that she does the exact opposite just because it is her mother ... which circles back to her really being the one creating a good chunk of the problems with her parents (her mother specifically) its like a self fulfilling prophecy with creating the issue herself then blaming them for reacting how she kinda is forcing them to.. she needs to get out of her own way and realize SHE is the problem sometimes 

I mean honestly at the end of the day was it that big of a deal that she knew that her daughters best friend was pregnant?? what harm does that do? Or that she once used the same decorator that her mother no longer was using? or the plethora of other issues that really weren't issues until she made them :) 

Edited July 28, 2022 by Keywestclubkid

[andromeda331]

On 7/28/2022 at 11:52 AM, Keywestclubkid said:

Which is exactly like something Lorelai herself would do ... she is more like her mother then she ever cared to admit LOL 

It didn't matter what her mothers stance on anything really is/was because even she admitted that she does the exact opposite just because it is her mother ... which circles back to her really being the one creating a good chunk of the problems with her parents (her mother specifically) its like a self fulfilling prophecy with creating the issue herself then blaming them for reacting how she kinda is forcing them to.. she needs to get out of her own way and realize SHE is the problem sometimes 

What she told Emily in Hammers and Veils which was surprisingly honest for Lorelai. She does explain why she keeps things from her because she's always afraid that her mother will find a way to make her feel bad about it. When things go wrong she's always afraid that Emily's going to be right there with the 'I told you so'. Which makes a lot of sense. She's not wrong. Emily is quick to jump on her when she made a mistake and still hasn't let go Lorelai refusing to marry Christopher when she was sixteen. Look what she did to Luke when she found out they were dating. Inviting him to dinner only to treat him like crap and insult him all night. Or Emily's reaction when Lorelai wouldn't go on a second date with Peyton. Or her remarks to Richard when Rory ran away to them in season one. But Lorelai also admits in that scene from Hammers and Veils that she's not sure that's always fair. Which is true too. Lorelai has over the series trying to explain to Emily why things are messed up between them. At the spa when Emily in a scene I love asks Lorelai why their not like Lorelai and Rory. It's one of the few times they show Emily really does want a good relationship with Lorelai.

Unfortunately, Amy decided it would be better for Emily to be horrible person. Her treatment of Luke at the dinner she insisted on didn't have to happen. It didn't have to go well. They could have harkened back to season one when Emily's scared if Lorelai gets a hold of Rory's trust fund she'll never come back. That easily could have been brought up or why the meal didn't go well. Luke's stable, reliable and had enough money to loan Lorelai money to finish the inn. Or even just different views like Emily's idea for Lorelai's Russian winter theme wedding and Luke's the Romanovs had it coming remark. They easily could have found something to argue about. 

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I mean honestly at the end of the day was it that big of a deal that she knew that her daughters best friend was pregnant?? what harm does that do? Or that she once used the same decorator that her mother no longer was using? or the plethora of other issues that really weren't issues until she made them :) 

I'm not sure why Emily even cared. She never really showed any interest in Sookie so what was the big deal?

[Keywestclubkid]

4 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

What she told Emily in Hammers and Veils which was surprisingly honest for Lorelai. She does explain why she keeps things from her because she's always afraid that her mother will find a way to make her feel bad about it. When things go wrong she's always afraid that Emily's going to be right there with the 'I told you so'. Which makes a lot of sense. She's not wrong. Emily is quick to jump on her when she made a mistake and still hasn't let go Lorelai refusing to marry Christopher when she was sixteen. Look what she did to Luke when she found out they were dating. Inviting him to dinner only to treat him like crap and insult him all night. Or Emily's reaction when Lorelai wouldn't go on a second date with Peyton. Or her remarks to Richard when Rory ran away to them in season one. But Lorelai also admits in that scene from Hammers and Veils that she's not sure that's always fair. Which is true too. Lorelai has over the series trying to explain to Emily why things are messed up between them. At the spa when Emily in a scene I love asks Lorelai why their not like Lorelai and Rory. It's one of the few times they show Emily really does want a good relationship with Lorelai.

Unfortunately, Amy decided it would be better for Emily to be horrible person. Her treatment of Luke at the dinner she insisted on didn't have to happen. It didn't have to go well. They could have harkened back to season one when Emily's scared if Lorelai gets a hold of Rory's trust fund she'll never come back. That easily could have been brought up or why the meal didn't go well. Luke's stable, reliable and had enough money to loan Lorelai money to finish the inn. Or even just different views like Emily's idea for Lorelai's Russian winter theme wedding and Luke's the Romanovs had it coming remark. They easily could have found something to argue about. 

I'm not sure why Emily even cared. She never really showed any interest in Sookie so what was the big deal?

She was Always kind to sookie ALLWAYS every interaction.. why would she not be kind to Sookie tho ..

[chessiegal]

8 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

She never really showed any interest in Sookie so what was the big deal?

Oh, but Emily did, as a cook. She made the biggest fuss over her food at Rory's birthday party at the crap shack. Emily also had DAR functions at the inn. And got super involved in Sookie's wedding planning.

[andromeda331]

2 hours ago, chessiegal said:

Oh, but Emily did, as a cook. She made the biggest fuss over her food at Rory's birthday party at the crap shack. Emily also had DAR functions at the inn. And got super involved in Sookie's wedding planning.

She did like her as a cook. Then we don't really see anything until she's trying out food for the DAR and gets interested in Sookie's wedding. They never really have the Gilmores interact with Sookie or Lane or anyone from Stars Hollow which would have been fun. I always liked when they did but it was really rare especially after the series went on. Emily seemed to like Sookie when they talked but that was it. She never called Sookie to ask about catering her events like she mentioned in Rory's Birthday Parties or return to Kim's after finding so many pieces she liked. When Emily insists on having DAR meetings at the Independence I thought we would get a lot of great scenes with Lorelai but also see Emily interacting with Sookie, Michel and others. Emily does remember to ask Rory for her 21st birthday party who she wanted to invite but when it came to the college graduation pary she invites no one from Stars Hollow. Rory would have wanted Lane there and probably Sookie, Jackson and Luke.  That was another opportunity for the two groups to mingle.  When it did it was always great. Richard and Emily at the Bracebridge dinner telling them about Prague, the fun Emily was having planning Sookie's wedding, Emily getting along well with Michel and Mrs. Kim. I really wish we had more of that. 

[Keywestclubkid]

On 7/30/2022 at 1:35 PM, andromeda331 said:

She did like her as a cook. Then we don't really see anything until she's trying out food for the DAR and gets interested in Sookie's wedding. They never really have the Gilmores interact with Sookie or Lane or anyone from Stars Hollow which would have been fun. I always liked when they did but it was really rare especially after the series went on. Emily seemed to like Sookie when they talked but that was it. She never called Sookie to ask about catering her events like she mentioned in Rory's Birthday Parties or return to Kim's after finding so many pieces she liked. When Emily insists on having DAR meetings at the Independence I thought we would get a lot of great scenes with Lorelai but also see Emily interacting with Sookie, Michel and others. Emily does remember to ask Rory for her 21st birthday party who she wanted to invite but when it came to the college graduation pary she invites no one from Stars Hollow. Rory would have wanted Lane there and probably Sookie, Jackson and Luke.  That was another opportunity for the two groups to mingle.  When it did it was always great. Richard and Emily at the Bracebridge dinner telling them about Prague, the fun Emily was having planning Sookie's wedding, Emily getting along well with Michel and Mrs. Kim. I really wish we had more of that. 

but if you listen sometimes Sookie speaks like they are still in touch off and on. a parent wouldn't be best friends with her daughters best friend they wouldn't hang out and all that ... esp Emily who has her DAR functions and her life in Hartford...we have seen when Emily doesn't like someone and she has NEVER acted that way towards Sookie 

[Taryn74]

4 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

we have seen when Emily doesn't like someone and she has NEVER acted that way towards Sookie

VERY good point!

[peacheslatour]

6 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

but if you listen sometimes Sookie speaks like they are still in touch off and on. a parent wouldn't be best friends with her daughters best friend they wouldn't hang out and all that ... esp Emily who has her DAR functions and her life in Hartford...we have seen when Emily doesn't like someone and she has NEVER acted that way towards Sookie 

I think she kept in touch with Sookie to get dope on Lorelai.

[Keywestclubkid]

28 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I think she kept in touch with Sookie to get dope on Lorelai.

I mean when your daughter refuses any contact I could see why you would check in .. I mean she never knows WHAT could set Lorelei off I mean god forbid they use the same grocer or her mother simply wanted to help her daughter get a lone or something ya know what I mean 

[peacheslatour]

Just now, Keywestclubkid said:

I mean when your daughter refuses any contact I could see why you would check in .. I mean she never knows WHAT could set Lorelei off I mean god forbid they use the same grocer or her mother simply wanted to help her daughter get a lone or something ya know what I mean 

She just wants to know about anything she can use to throw in Lorelai's face as proof the she knows what's best for her. She can't stand Lorelai calling the shots in her own life.

[Keywestclubkid]

Just now, peacheslatour said:

She just wants to know about anything she can use to throw in Lorelai's face as proof the she knows what's best for her. She can't stand Lorelai calling the shots in her own life.

No see that’s in her head. She admits to doing the opposite of her mother just because.. she works these things up and makes them bigger then they ever should be. 

[Keywestclubkid]

2 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

She just wants to know about anything she can use to throw in Lorelai's face as proof the she knows what's best for her. She can't stand Lorelai calling the shots in her own life.

I am VERY pro Emily. Lol I get where she is coming from can she be overbearing yes but she does love her daughter she just doesn’t know how to connect with her and the same is for Lorelei she has just made up her mind to push her mother away that she digs her heals in just like her mother 

[andromeda331]

22 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

She just wants to know about anything she can use to throw in Lorelai's face as proof the she knows what's best for her. She can't stand Lorelai calling the shots in her own life.

That's really want Emily wants. She wants Lorelai to do everything Emily wants her to do. When things go wrong Emily does see it as proof that she's right. That's more important to Emily then the relationship she wants with her daughter. Like in Emily in Wonderland she sees the shed and goes off on Lorelai about why she would do that. But she won't listen to Lorelai when she tries to explain.  When Emily and Lorelai have that blow up in Rory's Dance the next episode Emily still thinks she had nothing to apologize for.  Nope, it's Lorelai for how she spoke to Emily. That never changes. By season five she's happy to try and break up Luke and Lorelai because it's not what Emily wants. She doesn't see why Lorelai would be mad at her about that. When Lorelai continues to be mad at her she goes to yell at Luke as if it's his fault. When she sees Luke and Lorelai are back together. She still doesn't understand why Lorelai isn't back at dinner.      

Edited August 3, 2022 by andromeda331

[SJC]

13 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

She wants Lorelai to do everything Emily wants her to do. When things go wrong Emily does see it as proof that she's right. That's more important to Emily then the relationship she wants with her daughter.

Why anyone can't see this is beyond me.
 

[Keywestclubkid]

41 minutes ago, SJC said:

Why anyone can't see this is beyond me.
 

I just don’t see it :) but hey we all arnt gonna agree and that’s ok I mean we all still share a love for the show to still be taking about it all this time later :) 

[Crs97]

I think Emily is very much the product of her environment.  Did we meet her family?  Her MIL never thought she was good enough, and she thought Lorelei’s life choices proved her MIL right.  She tried to help at times, but her help again came from her tunnel vision of “what would Trixie approve?”.  I thought her most poignant moment was the end of the series when she is desperately trying to think of an upgrade to the inn that would give her the opportunity to lend Lorelei money and keep the dinners going.  I didn’t like a lot of things Emily did, but that’s true for Lorelei and Rory (and all of them) as well.

[SJC]

18 minutes ago, Crs97 said:

I think Emily is very much the product of her environment.  Did we meet her family?

We didn't...what a missed opportunity ! 😝

[andromeda331]

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Lorelai thought she was an embarrassment to her mother, not living the life Emily thought she should. Emily was not just thinking about Lorelai's life, she was thinking about her own place in Hartford society. Don't forget about Richard telling Lorelai how important it was for Emily to be served the first cup of tea when she said she wasn't going to the Bowie concert with the Hamm character. And then there is the great hope of Rory - that she would turn out the way Emily wanted Lorelai to turn out. I think Emily behaved the way she was brought up to behave in her high society situation. I think Emily loved Lorelai, but Lorelai just turned out to be a disappointment to her. That speech to Christopher before the vow renewal was because Emily didn't think Luke was good enough to be Rory's stepfather, he wasn't in the "right" social circles. Emily wasn't thinking about Lorelai's life - she was thinking about her great hope for Rory.

I do think Emily acted that way because how she was bought up. Similar to how Logan's and his dumb friends did whatever they wanted and really most rich people we see on the show. Anytime trouble Logan got into didn't matter. He'd never have to deal with any consequences. His money and/or family would alway bail him out. Emily acted that way because she could and thought she had every right too. For all Emily's claims about manners and good breeding, she often had horrible manners and treated people like crap. She wanted Lorelai to do every Emily wanted for Emily and for Emily's position in society. She wanted Rory to be everything Emily wanted also for Emily. What Lorelai or Rory wanted didn't matter. She got lucky that Rory liked it for the most part. If Rory hated it, Emily wouldn't care and would have either tried to force her to like Lorelai or written her off. Emily wants Lorelai with Christopher not because she thinks he's good for her or Lorelai even still loves him. It's want Emily wants. She doesn't care that he's treated Lorelai like crap for years or done none raising of his daughter. That's Lorelai's fault anyways right? She puts down Luke who's had a successful business, rents out a building to Taylor, and has always been there for Lorelai and Rory. Luke makes Lorelai happy. That doesn't matter. Richard is just the same. He's been rude to people from his own society when he's felt like it.  

One thing I always suspected was if Rory did join their high society, Emily would drop Lorelai. She wouldn't need her anymore. That ends up being true when Rory dates Logan. Emily is over the moon and gets what she wants to show off to her high society. The episode where Logan comes to FND Emily takes pleasure in excluding Lorelai from conversations, making fun of her for not knowing some Yale thing, and doesn't care that it's all in front of Logan.   

Emily gets treated the same way by Richard's mother which she hates but never once notices she does the same thing to Lorelai. Even when she's telling Lorelai that anything that goes wrong is Emily's fault. Like how everything that goes wrong is Lorelai's fault.

[SJC]

I love you, andromeda331.

[scarynikki12]

On 8/4/2022 at 12:02 AM, andromeda331 said:

One thing I always suspected was if Rory did join their high society, Emily would drop Lorelai. She wouldn't need her anymore. That ends up being true when Rory dates Logan. Emily is over the moon and gets what she wants to show off to her high society. 

I agree with this. Lorelai was right on when she pointed out that Rory moving into the pool house in season 6 gave Emily and Richard a New And Improved Lorelai so they could have the daughter they really wanted.

I've posted before that what Emily and Richard cared about most was that Lorelai got pregnant by Chris Hayden. If he'd been Chris Nobody they wouldn't have been pushing marriage and the big disappointment would have been that Lorelai got pregnant by a Nobody. Getting pregnant by a Hayden was a big deal and would only boost their position in society if the kids got married so they pushed it and then spent 20+ years berating Lorelai for refusing to go along with it.

When Rory brought Dean and Jess around Emily and Richard were horrified. Richard in particular chose to make this clear with Dean while Emily voiced her dislike of Jess the next day on the phone with Lorelai. Lorelai told Rory that Dean showing up brought back Richard's trauma from the pregnancy but I don't think he'd have behaved that way if Rory had brought Tristan to dinner. We saw how impressed Richard was that she was a classmate of a Du Grey and if Tristan had been her boyfriend that night he'd have been on his best behavior even if he was still privately concerned about history repeating.

The same is true for Logan. Emily and Richard were nice to Marty but he was just a friend from Rory's dorm and they were in good moods so they lost nothing by being pleasant for a few minutes. If it had been Marty who showed up for dinner that night I don't think there would have been a ton of excitement. Marty being a Yale student may have been enough to keep them civil but they would not have been on board with his background. Meanwhile the second they learned Rory was dating a Huntzberger they started planning the wedding. They made comments about his blond hair and her blue eyes making gorgeous babies and when Rory hesitated to accept his proposal Emily couldn't fathom why. I've theorized that Rory will pretend that she went to Paris to get pregnant and leave Logan's participation out of it entirely and one of the reasons is Emily. We all know Emily would move heave and earth to get Rory to marry Logan if she knew he was the father. Emily seemingly mellowed in the revival but there is no way she'd let an opportunity to have a Gilmore marry a Huntzberger slip by. Not a chance.

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2 hours ago, scarynikki12 said:

I agree with this. Lorelai was right on when she pointed out that Rory moving into the pool house in season 6 gave Emily and Richard a New And Improved Lorelai so they could have the daughter they really wanted.

She was which is just sad. Lorelai deserved better then that.  Rory was the daughter Richard and Emily wanted. She was agreeable, went along with the coming out thing and like stuff from their world. Emily was fine with Rory bumming around her house not doing anything until she saw Rory hanging out with the maid. Then it was time for a job. At the DAR naturally as if it would be anywhere else. Emily gets annoyed when Rory starts pushing back. She doesn't like that. At the DAR event that's going well. Emily's annoyed because she's not wearing the dress Emily picked out. Even though Rory's dressed similar to what Emily's wearing. While Richard realizes they made a mistake in letting Rory drop out of Yale, he refuses to admit it to Lorelai later insisting they didn't know the whole situation. That was crap Lorelai told them everything. Richard to be a little suspicious because he asked Mitchum about it. Emily despite agreeing with Lorelai's plan never thinks they made a mistake there. It's not surprising Emily never thinks they made any mistake when it comes to Rory.

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I've posted before that what Emily and Richard cared about most was that Lorelai got pregnant by Chris Hayden. If he'd been Chris Nobody they wouldn't have been pushing marriage and the big disappointment would have been that Lorelai got pregnant by a Nobody. Getting pregnant by a Hayden was a big deal and would only boost their position in society if the kids got married so they pushed it and then spent 20+ years berating Lorelai for refusing to go along with it.

I agree. They only cared because he was a Hayden. Him being a crappy person, treating Lorelai like crap, treating Rory like crap, etc. It all means nothing to Emily. It's not just Christopher. Look at the guy Emily tries to set Lorelai up with in season one. She wasn't even trying to find someone who Lorelai might be interested in.

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When Rory brought Dean and Jess around Emily and Richard were horrified. Richard in particular chose to make this clear with Dean while Emily voiced her dislike of Jess the next day on the phone with Lorelai. Lorelai told Rory that Dean showing up brought back Richard's trauma from the pregnancy but I don't think he'd have behaved that way if Rory had brought Tristan to dinner. We saw how impressed Richard was that she was a classmate of a Du Grey and if Tristan had been her boyfriend that night he'd have been on his best behavior even if he was still privately concerned about history repeating.

 Yeah, he and he told Rory he approved at Tristian at her birthday party. Tristian had been treating Rory like crap all season. Rory introduces him to Richard with a tone that clear suggests she's not a fan but Richard doesn't even ask. While there were reasons to dislike Jess Emily would have hated him no matter what because he wasn't from her class. We find out that Emily even knows all about his reputation when confronting his mother over how Rory was treated by them but didn't care. You know like how Emily treated Logan when she invited him to dinner, how Richard treated Dean, and how they both often treated Lorelai at dinner. You would think Emily and Richard would have a little concern given Logan's past. But no.

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The same is true for Logan. Emily and Richard were nice to Marty but he was just a friend from Rory's dorm and they were in good moods so they lost nothing by being pleasant for a few minutes. If it had been Marty who showed up for dinner that night I don't think there would have been a ton of excitement. Marty being a Yale student may have been enough to keep them civil but they would not have been on board with his background. Meanwhile the second they learned Rory was dating a Huntzberger they started planning the wedding. They made comments about his blond hair and her blue eyes making gorgeous babies and when Rory hesitated to accept his proposal Emily couldn't fathom why. I've theorized that Rory will pretend that she went to Paris to get pregnant and leave Logan's participation out of it entirely and one of the reasons is Emily. We all know Emily would move heave and earth to get Rory to marry Logan if she knew he was the father. Emily seemingly mellowed in the revival but there is no way she'd let an opportunity to have a Gilmore marry a Huntzberger slip by. Not a chance.

Emily and Richard were horrible in their fawning over Logan. All ready planning the wedding and Emily imagining their children. They were still in college and hadn't been dating that long. There were a lot of good reasons for Rory turning down the proposal. Their both still young, Rory doesn't know where she's going to be working and she'll be busy with assignments.

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 They made comments about his blond hair and her blue eyes making gorgeous babies 

Can you imagine if Rory brought home a black kid?

[SJC]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Can you imagine if Rory brought home a black kid?

Ohhhh myyy ! 

[peacheslatour]

19 hours ago, SJC said:

Ohhhh myyy ! 

I actually wish she would have. The show could have used a little more diversity.

[SJC]

1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

The show could have used a little more diversity.

Indeed !