One is the Loneliest Number: Unpopular GG Opinions

[andromeda331]

Its weird to me that how much the writers seem to think Lorelai and Rory are one and the same. They really aren't. Lorelai's outgoing, fun loving, and full of jokes. Rory's serious, studious and quiet. She's an introvert. Lorelai's an extrovert. Lorelai proves to be harder working then Rory. Lorelai worked her way up at the inn and went to community college. Then opened up her own inn with Sookie. Rory doesn't. Lorelai's more likely to try new things then Rory is. Rory just wants to stick with writing more like school assignments. Harvard probably was Lorelai dream but there's no sign the dream of being a journalist came from her or even wanting to travel. The only traveling we ever hear Lorelai talking about is wanting to going to Europe with Rory. They are screw ups in relationships. Lorelai's more due to becoming a mother so young and Rory at first due to being a teenager but she keeps her bad habits of cheating on guys. 

Deciding that Luke and Jess were the same by the revival doesn't work either. They are two different people. While Luke is grumpy and complains about Taylor and things in Stars Hollow, its home to him. Its where he grew up, his father's shop he turned into a diner, and he has helped with Kirk and things. Jess hated Stars Hollow I can't see him ever coming back except to visit Luke. Certainly never hanging out there like he seem to be in the Revival. He was into books and published a book. Staying in Philadelphia would make sense or even just moving around a lot. They also have different histories. Luke's parents both died when he was young, his only serious girlfriend Rachel kept coming and going. Jess had an idiot for a mother who couldn't and wouldn't get it together and a father who took off. 

 

While Christopher and Logan are similar. Logan at least had time to grow up and change. Christopher had his entire life to grow up and he ever did. He's a crappy person and crappy father. As much as I hate Logan, I don't know if he would be a crappy father. His own father except for cheating on his wife wasn't a crappy person. He seemed close to his family. Christopher's parents' were both assholes and Christopher chose not to be better then that. The Logan of season seven really was on track to be a better person. Even if he remained the jerk he was in season five and six he probably would still be a decent husband and father. Probably cheating on his wife like his father. But still better then Christopher.

 

 

 

 

 

[Cristofle]

3 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

While Christopher and Logan are similar. Logan at least had time to grow up and change.

I've always thought Logan was actually more like what Lorelai would have been like if she hadn't gotten pregnant - furious with her family, feeling like they don't genuinely care about her but just want her to fit into a role, and rebelling in often stupid ways. And that's not necessarily unlike teenage Christopher - Lorelai and Christopher connected as kids for a reason. But the show contrasted Logan and Christopher in a few ways, probably most notably that Logan generally shows up (Rory's birthday, the hospital, etc). Once Logan decided to be in a relationship with Rory, he wasn't really an absent partner except for when he thought they broke up. Christopher was also seen to just...bob along with the flow in a sense? "Sure, makes sense, let's just get married and I'll work at your dad's business." That was not generally how show Logan behaved. 

Basically, none of ASP's parallels work the way she always tells us they do, lol. She writes these characters as distinct people, with some things in common and a lot of things NOT in common, and then she wants to tell us they're on the same path. 

[BlancheDevoreaux]

On 12/13/2021 at 9:38 PM, andromeda331 said:

Good question. Even after Rory realizes she hasn't done any of that in one of the later seasons she still ends up not doing anything. Why not? That was what she wanted to do and she wasn't even trying to get her foot in the door. I know Rory gets disappointed about not getting the NY Times fellowship but really why would she? All she had to impress them was she went to a private school and Ivy league and worked on both their newspapers. She had no internships at magazines or newspapers, never had a part time job or anything. Nothing to set her apart from any of the other applicates most if not all who would have a lot more then just working on their high school and college paper.     

Oh, don't forget her internship where she shadowed the biggest newspaperman in the country... who told her she didn't have it. Of course she wasn't going to get an extremely exclusive internship with the New York Times.

[SJC]

16 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Its weird to me that how much the writers seem to think Lorelai and Rory are one and the same. They really aren't. Lorelai's outgoing, fun loving, and full of jokes. Rory's serious, studious and quiet. She's an introvert. Lorelai's an extrovert. Lorelai proves to be harder working then Rory. Lorelai worked her way up at the inn and went to community college. Then opened up her own inn with Sookie. Rory doesn't. Lorelai's more likely to try new things then Rory is. Rory just wants to stick with writing more like school assignments. Harvard probably was Lorelai dream but there's no sign the dream of being a journalist came from her or even wanting to travel. The only traveling we ever hear Lorelai talking about is wanting to going to Europe with Rory. They are screw ups in relationships. Lorelai's more due to becoming a mother so young and Rory at first due to being a teenager but she keeps her bad habits of cheating on guys. 

Deciding that Luke and Jess were the same by the revival doesn't work either. They are two different people. While Luke is grumpy and complains about Taylor and things in Stars Hollow, its home to him. Its where he grew up, his father's shop he turned into a diner, and he has helped with Kirk and things. Jess hated Stars Hollow I can't see him ever coming back except to visit Luke. Certainly never hanging out there like he seem to be in the Revival. He was into books and published a book. Staying in Philadelphia would make sense or even just moving around a lot. They also have different histories. Luke's parents both died when he was young, his only serious girlfriend Rachel kept coming and going. Jess had an idiot for a mother who couldn't and wouldn't get it together and a father who took off. 

 

While Christopher and Logan are similar. Logan at least had time to grow up and change. Christopher had his entire life to grow up and he ever did. He's a crappy person and crappy father. As much as I hate Logan, I don't know if he would be a crappy father. His own father except for cheating on his wife wasn't a crappy person. He seemed close to his family. Christopher's parents' were both assholes and Christopher chose not to be better then that. The Logan of season seven really was on track to be a better person. Even if he remained the jerk he was in season five and six he probably would still be a decent husband and father. Probably cheating on his wife like his father. But still better then Christopher.

I wish that I could frame this.

[SJC]

Another UO of mine is that I found the scene where Lorelai and Rory devil-egged Jess's car to be very, very amusing. Also the scene where Jess made the discovery was hilarious to me. The look that Lorelai and Rory exchanged was so cute and funny.

There's a vid of this on YouTube that had the funniest comment where someone said that Lorelai was too old to be acting like that & so she deserved to have her behind whooped by Emily. LOL    😏

Edited December 16, 2021 by SJC

[Taryn74]

1 hour ago, SJC said:

Another UO of mine is that I found the scene where Lorelai and Rory devil-egged Jess's car to be very, very amusing. Also the scene where Jess made the discovery was hilarious to me.

Is that a UO?! I thought both scenes were absolutely hilarious!! Rory and Lorelai making the squealing noise themselves because Lorelai couldn't get the tires to squeal......LMAO.....

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JESS: Someone devil-egged my car?

LUKE: Well, that is paprika.

JESS: Someone prepared deviled eggs to throw at my car?

LUKE: Man, they must hate you a lot. Hey, maybe it was the guy in the garden department.

JESS: I’m gonna go get something to clean this up.

LUKE: Or maybe it was the assistant night manager. You guys have words in the snack room?

*cackle*

[SJC]

10 minutes ago, Taryn74 said:

Rory and Lorelai making the squealing noise themselves because Lorelai couldn't get the tires to squeal.

That was TOO funny ! 😆

[andromeda331]

5 hours ago, SJC said:

Another UO of mine is that I found the scene where Lorelai and Rory devil-egged Jess's car to be very, very amusing. Also the scene where Jess made the discovery was hilarious to me. The look that Lorelai and Rory exchanged was so cute and funny.

There's a vid of this on YouTube that had the funniest comment where someone said that Lorelai was too old to be acting like that & so she deserved to have her behind whooped by Emily. LOL    😏

 

3 hours ago, Taryn74 said:

Is that a UO?! I thought both scenes were absolutely hilarious!! Rory and Lorelai making the squealing noise themselves because Lorelai couldn't get the tires to squeal......LMAO.....

*cackle*

I love both of those scenes! Its hilarious watching them devil egg his car and Jess finding it the next day. I love Luke's comment that who ever did it must have really hated him. Which yeah imagining someone hating you enough to not just egg your car but going to the work of making devil eggs to throw at your car? 

[peacheslatour]

13 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

 

I love both of those scenes! Its hilarious watching them devil egg his car and Jess finding it the next day. I love Luke's comment that who ever did it must have really hated him. Which yeah imagining someone hating you enough to not just egg your car but going to the work of making devil eggs to throw at your car? 

If they were Sookie's deviled eggs, Jess would never be able to get the stench out.

[SJC]

17 hours ago, Taryn74 said:

Rory and Lorelai making the squealing noise

And Lorelai pretending like she heard a siren.
😆 😂

[JustHereForFood]

On 12/15/2021 at 6:03 AM, andromeda331 said:

Its weird to me that how much the writers seem to think Lorelai and Rory are one and the same. They really aren't. Lorelai's outgoing, fun loving, and full of jokes. Rory's serious, studious and quiet. She's an introvert. Lorelai's an extrovert. Lorelai proves to be harder working then Rory. Lorelai worked her way up at the inn and went to community college. Then opened up her own inn with Sookie. Rory doesn't. Lorelai's more likely to try new things then Rory is. Rory just wants to stick with writing more like school assignments. Harvard probably was Lorelai dream but there's no sign the dream of being a journalist came from her or even wanting to travel. The only traveling we ever hear Lorelai talking about is wanting to going to Europe with Rory. They are screw ups in relationships. Lorelai's more due to becoming a mother so young and Rory at first due to being a teenager but she keeps her bad habits of cheating on guys. 

Deciding that Luke and Jess were the same by the revival doesn't work either. They are two different people. While Luke is grumpy and complains about Taylor and things in Stars Hollow, its home to him. Its where he grew up, his father's shop he turned into a diner, and he has helped with Kirk and things. Jess hated Stars Hollow I can't see him ever coming back except to visit Luke. Certainly never hanging out there like he seem to be in the Revival. He was into books and published a book. Staying in Philadelphia would make sense or even just moving around a lot. They also have different histories. Luke's parents both died when he was young, his only serious girlfriend Rachel kept coming and going. Jess had an idiot for a mother who couldn't and wouldn't get it together and a father who took off. 

 

While Christopher and Logan are similar. Logan at least had time to grow up and change. Christopher had his entire life to grow up and he ever did. He's a crappy person and crappy father. As much as I hate Logan, I don't know if he would be a crappy father. His own father except for cheating on his wife wasn't a crappy person. He seemed close to his family. Christopher's parents' were both assholes and Christopher chose not to be better then that. The Logan of season seven really was on track to be a better person. Even if he remained the jerk he was in season five and six he probably would still be a decent husband and father. Probably cheating on his wife like his father. But still better then Christopher.

 

This is all so well said, I couldn't agree more! Except maybe that I found Mitchum to be a crappy person 😄.

 

On the subject of Rory's boyfriends, I liked Jess when I was watching the show for the first time as a teenager, but when I rewatched a few years ago, I found him to be a bad boyfriend to Rory once they got together. Now I don't like any of them for her. I have the unpopular opinion that I liked Rory all through the show, even in the revival (I was frustrated by her cheating, but could sympathise with her career struggles) and I don't find any of her love interests to be good for her. She is like Buffy for me in that, all her relationships are completely crappy.

[Hera]

I suppose my UO about Rory's career prospects is that I think editor is actually a good fit for her. She's organized, she has broad interests (so would probably be okay reading a variety of articles), and has reasonable people skills. Being handed editor-in-chief of the Yale Daily News was obviously ridiculous, but her becoming an editor made far more sense than her being a foreign correspondent. It's too bad the writers never took the out they gave themselves.

[andromeda331]

4 hours ago, Hera said:

I suppose my UO about Rory's career prospects is that I think editor is actually a good fit for her. She's organized, she has broad interests (so would probably be okay reading a variety of articles), and has reasonable people skills. Being handed editor-in-chief of the Yale Daily News was obviously ridiculous, but her becoming an editor made far more sense than her being a foreign correspondent. It's too bad the writers never took the out they gave themselves.

That does make sense. We did see her do a good job organizing that fundraiser. It would be nice to see Rory go out for it or work towards it instead of just be handed it.

[JustHereForFood]

I have to ask: where does this universal idea that Rory wanted to be a war correspondent come from? I admit that I only watched the whole show twice, which is probably fewer than most people here and I know I don't remember some things that you guys talk about, but I don't really remember her being specific like that at all. Only one episode where she met some apparently famous journalist in the Inn, when she said she has always been inspired by her (I assume that was a cameo by the actual person?). But I didn't take that as a sign that she wanted to be that type of journalist specifically. Am I forgetting something? 

[chessiegal]

 

43 minutes ago, JustHereForFood said:

I have to ask: where does this universal idea that Rory wanted to be a war correspondent come from? I admit that I only watched the whole show twice, which is probably fewer than most people here and I know I don't remember some things that you guys talk about, but I don't really remember her being specific like that at all. Only one episode where she met some apparently famous journalist in the Inn, when she said she has always been inspired by her (I assume that was a cameo by the actual person?). But I didn't take that as a sign that she wanted to be that type of journalist specifically. Am I forgetting something? 

 Rory said she wanted to be like Christiane Amanpour on more than one occasion. Yes, it was Christiane who was on one show, not as a cameo, but as herself. In Season 1, episode 2, Rory tells Headmaster Charleston she wants to be like Amanpour, who is an international journalist. Rory says she wants to travel and see the world. Charleston asks her if she has to be on tv to be a successful foreign journalist -she says no, she wants to travel. In the next episode when she is golfing with her grandfather, she repeats her desire to use a career that lets her travel. In the 4th season in the episode where she has her first day at Yale and keeps paging Lorelai to come back to Yale, she blames her mother for making her a momma's girl. How is it going to look when she calls her mother to be with her in a fox hole? I'm sure there are other examples, but the Pallandinos put the foreign journalist out there early and stuck with it.

[JustHereForFood]

12 minutes ago, chessiegal said:

 

 Rory said she wanted to be like Christiane Amanpour on more than one occasion. Yes, it was Christiane who was on one show, not as a cameo, but as herself. In Season 1, episode 2, Rory tells Headmaster Charleston she wants to be like Amanpour, who is an international journalist. Rory says she wants to travel and see the world. Charleston asks her if she has to be on tv to be a successful foreign journalist -she says no, she wants to travel. In the next episode when she is golfing with her grandfather, she repeats her desire to use a career that lets her travel. In the 4th season in the episode where she has her first day at Yale and keeps paging Lorelai to come back to Yale, she blames her mother for making her a momma's girl. How is it going to look when she calls her mother to be with her in a fox hole? I'm sure there are other examples, but the Pallandinos put the foreign journalist out there early and stuck with it.

Thanks, but that is just about being an international journalist. That doesn't have to mean reporting from warzones. As others have said, she could write about travelling and I don't see any contradiction between that and what she has previously said.

[Taryn74]

25 minutes ago, JustHereForFood said:

Thanks, but that is just about being an international journalist. That doesn't have to mean reporting from warzones. As others have said, she could write about travelling and I don't see any contradiction between that and what she has previously said.

She also had this conversation with Jess in Teach Me Tonight -

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RORY: What about me?

JESS: What are your big ambitions?

RORY: Harvard.

JESS: And after Harvard?

RORY: I’m gonna be a journalist.

JESS: Paula Zahn?

RORY: Christiane Amanpour.

JESS: You’re gonna be an overseas correspondent?

RORY: Yes, I am.

JESS: You’re gonna crawl around in trenches and stand on top of buildings and have bombs going off in the background and some wars raging all around you?

RORY: What, you don’t think I can do it?

JESS: No, I do. Just sounds a little too – .

RORY: A little what?

JESS: Just sounds a little too rough for you.

RORY: Well, it’s not a little too rough for me. I hope it’s not a little too rough for me, I’ve been talking about this forever. I mean, I don’t even know what I would do if – .

JESS: Hey, I didn’t mean to freak you out. I’m sorry. I’m sure you’ll do it. You will, I promise. I’ll help you practice, okay? Tomorrow, you’ll stand in the middle of the street and I will drive straight at you screaming in a foreign language.

RORY: Well, you’re gonna have to learn a foreign language first.

JESS: Well, it’s lucky I’ve got me a tutor, isn’t it?

As ridiculous as it is with her personality, it's what the Palladinos consistently portrayed her as wanting to do, throughout the show.

Edited December 19, 2021 by Taryn74
Edited to include the episode title.

[Hera]

1 hour ago, JustHereForFood said:

Thanks, but that is just about being an international journalist. That doesn't have to mean reporting from warzones. As others have said, she could write about travelling and I don't see any contradiction between that and what she has previously said.

Rory's idol, Christiane Amanpour, made her name covering different wars: Iran-Iraq, the Gulf War, and the Bosnian War. So wanting to be a journalist "like Christiane Amanpour" would generally be understood as wanting to be war correspondent in some form or another—or at least being open to that as part of her career. When she first meets Headmaster Charleston at Chilton, he suggests Cokie Roberts (NPR political reporter) as another possible role model and Rory says no.

[SJC]

4 hours ago, chessiegal said:

the Pallandinos put the foreign journalist out there early and stuck with it.

WHY did they stick with it ?!
They wrote her as mostly non-assertive! 
Oh, Amy & Dan....

Edited December 19, 2021 by SJC

[scarynikki12]

When Charleston asks Rory to expand on her "Christiane Amanpour" response she even clarifies that she doesn't want to be her but to do what she does, which is the war correspondent willing to be where the action is. 

Editor is a better fit than war correspondent but only for a small town paper like the Gazette. If we were to get a second season of the revival and they reveal that the Rory Shine got her a gig as an editor (or even Editor In Chief) of a major paper then I will call major bullshit. There's no way she'd be able to manage reporters or newspaper staff and there's equally no way she'd be able to defend them for not revealing sources. She just doesn't have the backbone the job requires. 

I always bought her talent as a writer so, even though it's worthy of an eye-roll, her ending the revival by writing a book about her life made much more sense than the idea that she could cut it as a reporter so I'm glad they went that route. 

On 12/14/2021 at 10:16 PM, andromeda331 said:

Given how much ASP seems to love Christopher that does surprise me.

For me it was evidence supporting my theory that Chris' season 1 appearance was meant to be his only one but the Ps instant love for Sutcliffe changed their plans. If Chris was always intended to be a signifiant recurring character then I imagine the revival would have shown him interacting with Lorelai at least one time rather than only (and finally) showing up for Rory's story.

[andromeda331]

Reminds me how terrible Rory was at that journalism panel in Bridesmaids Revisited. She keeps blowing off the questions as if their still kids and not editors for college papers and we're suppose to think she's doing a great job. 

[SJC]

21 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

we're suppose to think she's doing a great job.

We're always supposed to think that no matter what. It's the pedestaling of Rory. *sigh*

[JustHereForFood]

On 12/19/2021 at 5:38 PM, Taryn74 said:

She also had this conversation with Jess in Teach Me Tonight -

 

21 hours ago, scarynikki12 said:

When Charleston asks Rory to expand on her "Christiane Amanpour" response she even clarifies that she doesn't want to be her but to do what she does, which is the war correspondent willing to be where the action is. 

Thanks, I didn't remember these.

I agree that it would not be a good fit for her, but I would have no problem with other type of international writer, or like some suggested, an editor - I thiink that could actually suit her more. But I kind of liked how she ended up in the revial with writing a book about her and her mother. We know that people can get invested in that story 😉.

[SJC]

Another UO of mine is that Lorelai is a sociopath.
Signs of a Sociopath:
*Lack of empathy for others.
*Impulsive behavior.
*Using intelligence, charm, or charisma to manipulate others.
*Not learning from mistakes or punishment.

[KatWay]

1 hour ago, SJC said:

Another UO of mine is that Lorelai is a sociopath.
Signs of a Sociopath:
*Lack of empathy for others.
*Impulsive behavior.
*Using intelligence, charm, or charisma to manipulate others.
*Not learning from mistakes or punishment.

I feel like this description could fit a ton of characters though. Also I don't think she really lacked empathy, everyone on the show was just really self-absorbed, the main characters moreso than others because, well, everything did revolve around them.

[peacheslatour]

18 minutes ago, KatWay said:

I feel like this description could fit a ton of characters though. Also I don't think she really lacked empathy, everyone on the show was just really self-absorbed, the main characters moreso than others because, well, everything did revolve around them.

She was kind of narcissistic and she was ignorant. She worked really hard and she went to business school but otherwise she was extremely uneducated unless the subject was pop culture.

[SJC]

37 minutes ago, KatWay said:

I feel like this description could fit a ton of characters though. Also I don't think she really lacked empathy, everyone on the show was just really self-absorbed, the main characters more so than others because, well, everything did revolve around them.

GG is full of self-absorption.

18 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

She was kind of narcissistic and she was ignorant. She worked really hard and she went to business school but otherwise she was extremely uneducated unless the subject was pop culture.

Pull up a chair next to me. 😉

[junienmomo]

11 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

She was kind of narcissistic and she was ignorant. She worked really hard and she went to business school but otherwise she was extremely uneducated unless the subject was pop culture.

Unfortunately this led too often to meanness and disrespecting others for their ideas/hobbies/lifestyles.

I'm thinking how they mocked people, like the Harvard family, others not being interested in pop culture, and others.

When they were dating, Luke sought to participate in things she liked, but she compartmentalized his hobbies as things she wouldn't even think of doing. She also tried to be by not inviting him to her activities. She was kinda clueless here; it wasn't meanness.

[peacheslatour]

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When they were dating, Luke sought to participate in things she liked, but she compartmentalized his hobbies as things she wouldn't even think of doing. She also tried to be by not inviting him to her activities. She was kinda clueless here; it wasn't meanness.

It was interesting how Luke was willing to do things that interested her like watching her movies, going to town meetings and taking care of Paul Anka but she wasn't willing to involve herself in any of his interests. She at least went fishing with Alex watched GG for Christopher.

[chessiegal]

Lorelai had her moments. In "Dead Uncles and Vegetables" she steps in and helps Luke with his uncle's funeral, even getting the proper gun salute graveside the town folks had refused to do. And telling Sookie she'll be a great parent when Sookie freaks out about not getting the right food for the birthday gig. Getting her Mom the DVD player so she could watch her favorite movies. I'm not going to go to the trouble of listing more, but she has a heart, at least in my eyes.

[SJC]

2 minutes ago, chessiegal said:

Getting her Mom the DVD player so she could watch her favorite movies.

I did like that scene. 😊

[Tattooeddancer]

My unpopular opinion (just jumping in without reading all the posts, apoligies)

Dean was a way better boyfriend to Rory than Jess.

Everybody jumps on Deanfor his jealousy. But was he wrong to be jealous? Rory WAS interested in Jess while still dating Dean and strung him along (one thing I actually agree with Lorelai about). And then, Jess was jealous of Dean after Rory chose him.

Jess was lazy and selfish (at least at the beginning), and refused to do things with Rory that were important to her "I have you, I don't have to try" to paraphrase. He was rude to her and Emily and acted like he was doing Rory a favor any time he spent time with her.

 

[andromeda331]

18 hours ago, junienmomo said:

Unfortunately this led too often to meanness and disrespecting others for their ideas/hobbies/lifestyles.

I'm thinking how they mocked people, like the Harvard family, others not being interested in pop culture, and others.

When they were dating, Luke sought to participate in things she liked, but she compartmentalized his hobbies as things she wouldn't even think of doing. She also tried to be by not inviting him to her activities. She was kinda clueless here; it wasn't meanness.

He did I really wish we saw Lorelai do the same. Going fishing with Luke instead of sending him off on his own and other things. It would have been more fun to see that too.

11 hours ago, chessiegal said:

Lorelai had her moments. In "Dead Uncles and Vegetables" she steps in and helps Luke with his uncle's funeral, even getting the proper gun salute graveside the town folks had refused to do. And telling Sookie she'll be a great parent when Sookie freaks out about not getting the right food for the birthday gig. Getting her Mom the DVD player so she could watch her favorite movies. I'm not going to go to the trouble of listing more, but she has a heart, at least in my eyes.

I do love all of those moments. Lorelai was really great in those moments. I also love that Lorelai doesn't throw out the Dean box because she knows Rory might want it someday. Like Lorelai I've thrown out stuff that I really wish I had now. Or going to "hang" with Emily. For Lorelai to realize Emily might actually need to talk and tells her mother she's there if she ever needs to talk. That's huge for Lorelai. I also love Lorelai working with Lane and Mrs. Kim to make sure their relationship didn't ended up like hers and Emily's.

[junienmomo]

15 hours ago, chessiegal said:

Lorelai had her moments. In "Dead Uncles and Vegetables" she steps in and helps Luke with his uncle's funeral, even getting the proper gun salute graveside the town folks had refused to do. And telling Sookie she'll be a great parent when Sookie freaks out about not getting the right food for the birthday gig. Getting her Mom the DVD player so she could watch her favorite movies. I'm not going to go to the trouble of listing more, but she has a heart, at least in my eyes.

100% with you here - it was only occasional. She did a little more mean talk, mostly to Rory, but that can be human nature.

I guess my UO looks through the lens of the LL relationship. If I'd been a BFOL (Best Friend of Luke 😆), I might have said she's not all that into him. She was into him, even as a boyfriend, more so than any of her other boyfriends, but I didn't really feel the love on her side.

Now the boat buying thing - that was spectacularly generous and loving! Not communicating about it was unfortunate and hurt their relationship, but the gesture was chuppah-worthy.

[peacheslatour]

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Now the boat buying thing - that was spectacularly generous and loving! Not communicating about it was unfortunate and hurt their relationship, but the gesture was chuppah-worthy.

99.9% of Lorelai's problems stemmed from not communicating.

[SJC]

My millionth UO is that the ugly baby bit between Lorelai and Rory was very funny.

Season 2, Episode 10 - The Bracebridge Dinner 

RORY: Wow.
LORELAI: What?
RORY: This is one ugly looking baby. Whose baby is this?
LORELAI: That's your second cousin's Stan's. Poor kid.
RORY: Ugh, he got Stan's everything.
LORELAI: That's not even the ugliest baby in the bunch.
RORY: You're kidding. [looks through the pile] Ouch!
LORELAI: That's the ugliest baby in the bunch.
RORY: I don't understand why people put pictures on cards.
LORELAI: Do they not understand we are unapologetic mockers?
RORY: There's an unexplained innocence in the world.
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RORY: So which bed do you want?
LORELAI: Take the one by the window.
RORY: Okay. [pulls back blanket] Mom!
LORELAI: What honey?
RORY: You put the picture of the ugly baby in my bed?
LORELAI: I didn't, I swear. That ugly baby is stalking us. Run away!
RORY: Poor baby, it's not his fault.
LORELAI: I think it's a she.
RORY: Poor baby, you picked the wrong parents.

Edited December 23, 2021 by SJC

[Cristofle]

On 12/22/2021 at 11:42 AM, chessiegal said:

Lorelai had her moments. In "Dead Uncles and Vegetables" she steps in and helps Luke with his uncle's funeral, even getting the proper gun salute graveside the town folks had refused to do.

And yelling at the town for zeroing in on Luke about Jess even though she didn't like Jess. Lorelai was often immature, selfish, and careless, and Luke didn't escape that, but one thing I noticed in early seasons that set Luke apart from a lot of people she interacted with (especially her parents, but it could apply to other people around her) was that she was particularly distressed when Luke was upset, including when he was upset with her. She was extremely upset when she realized she'd hurt Luke by blowing him off for Christopher and worked to make it up to him by painting the diner. She was less successful in apologizing at the end of S2 (probably because what she did then was a lot worse), but it clearly deeply bothered her. When Luke got on her case about dating the younger guy, she could have (justifiably) stayed annoyed with him because it wasn't actually his business but when Sookie got through to her that he was more hurt than angry, she reached out to him with the whole speech about how he was someone she saw as being in her life forever. 

Now, in S5, it was very, very obvious that Luke was the adult in that relationship, and that definitely made it lopsided. He was doing things you do in an adult relationship with someone you are very serious about, and that seemed mostly foreign to her. I think I chalked more of it up to her immaturity rather than just not caring that much about him, though. 

Outside of Luke, I'm not sure if this is an UO or not, but honestly one of my favorite Lorelai scenes is at the end of S4 when she takes Rory to task for having sex with Dean, and I'm sorry they had her sort of take it back later. Right there, in that moment, she was truly being an adult and a mother in an extremely difficult situation, trying to impress upon her daughter that she'd done a terrible thing. Shame it seemed so rare, lol. 

[Taryn74]

2 hours ago, Cristofle said:

I'm not sure if this is an UO or not, but honestly one of my favorite Lorelai scenes is at the end of S4 when she takes Rory to task for having sex with Dean, and I'm sorry they had her sort of take it back later. Right there, in that moment, she was truly being an adult and a mother in an extremely difficult situation, trying to impress upon her daughter that she'd done a terrible thing. Shame it seemed so rare, lol. 

Totally agree!

[Katy M]

20 hours ago, SJC said:

My millionth UO is that the ugly baby bit between Lorelai and Rory was very funny.

I don't mind it because the parents are never going to know they said.  At worst it was a victimless crime.  

[JustHereForFood]

On 12/23/2021 at 10:17 PM, SJC said:

My millionth UO is that the ugly baby bit between Lorelai and Rory was very funny.

That's UO?

[SJC]

1 minute ago, JustHereForFood said:

That's UO?

Well...I thought it was.  lol

[andromeda331]

I was thinking about the remark Rory about Lorelai sleeping with Christopher when he was engaged to Sherry as if that made it okay for Rory to sleep with a married Dean. Technically its one below sleeping with a married man. While I'm glad Lorelai steered the conversation back to what Rory did. Had Lorelai thought about it for a second it reaffirms what Lorelai is telling Rory. Lorelai knew Christopher was engaged to Sherry but Christopher made it really sound like they were about to break up and Sherry does later confirm it. Lorelai let her guard down not just sleeping with Christopher but deciding to give a relationship with him a chance. To the point she even told her mother and talked it over with Rory. Rory also talked it over with Christopher. When Christopher tells her that Sherry's home Lorelai thinks he's going home to tell her that its over. He instead tells her Sherry is pregnant, and he's going back to Sherry which devastates Lorelai and Rory. Christopher didn't have to go marry Sherry to be a presence in his new child's life, but he did. He didn't have to break all his promises he just made to Lorelai and Rory. But he did. Because Christopher is a complete asshole he shows up at FND the end of summer pissed because Lorelai won't take any calls and accuses her of keeping Rory from him. As if Rory couldn't possibly be upset that he broke his promises to her and runs off to be someone else's dad while she gets nothing. Again. And of course Christopher telling Lorelai he doesn't like how things are and he still wants to be with Lorelai even though he still plans to marry Sherry. How he didn't get punched in that scene I don't know but the whole thing could be exactly what Lorelai is talking about when she's telling that she's emotionally involved, asking if Dean said they were splitting up and how she's going to feel if Dean doesn't leave Lindsay. Which he doesn't.  

[Dmags21]

Hello, new poster here.

I’ve been watching the repeats on Up and the more I watch the more I hate all three “girls”.

Don’t know if it’s allowed to bitch and moan here but well, I’ll give it a try.

One of the most ridiculous scenes for Lorelei to make was the scene where she seems shocked and appalled when Rory tells the Thanksgiving crowd that she had applied to multiple colleges.  Didn’t she know it was pretty much a given to apply to many colleges?  How dumb can you be?  I know she didn’t ever go through that process but it seems a huge overreaction.  
 

Anyway, there’s load of situations to plumb from, given their complete self-involvement.

[Taryn74]

10 minutes ago, Dmags21 said:

Don’t know if it’s allowed to bitch and moan here but well, I’ll give it a try.

Welcome! And, sure! We do it all the time LOL. We love the show but don't mind pointing out the flaws.

[SJC]

5 hours ago, Dmags21 said:

One of the most ridiculous scenes for Lorelei to make was the scene where she seems shocked and appalled when Rory tells the Thanksgiving crowd that she had applied to multiple colleges.

That was an awful scene. Lorelai acted so absurd. IMO Emily & Richard should have kicked her out.

[SJC]

My millionth unpopular opinion is that Lorelai and Rory are not close at all in AYITL.
Oh sure..they had a few sweet moments, but overall there was a huge distance between them. I believe that they had a major falling out between '07 and the revival. 
Yes, a parent/child relationship will change when the child grows up, but it is possible to accept the changes & still be close, it takes effort but can be done.

*If* there is a 2nd part of AYITL I firmly believe that Lorelai & Rory's relationship will be as bad or worse then Emily & Lorelai's in S1. 

[SJC]

And another unpopular opinion. (this is fun !!)

Richard initially resented Rory. I've read other posts about their golf date and how he was so disinterested in her 'til he realized that she was smart + interested in traveling. I believe that deep down inside he had resentment for her, believing that her being born was ruinous to Lorelai & Crapstopher's lives.
I think Emily had a little resentment for Rory at first as well, but she got over that when she started spending more time with her.

[peacheslatour]

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Crapstopher's

Ahahahahaha! *dead*

[Crs97]

53 minutes ago, SJC said:

Richard initially resented Rory.

I think a great scene is when Lorelei thanks him for sticking up for her to Christopher’s parents and he angrily explains what her mother went through when she disappeared with Rory.  I don’t know if he resented Rory, but he definitely resented Lorelei.

[SJC]

15 minutes ago, Crs97 said:

he definitely resented Lorelei.

Yes, he definitely resented Lorelai deeply. I believe that R&E thought of Lorelai as an utter failure for a good while, I believe they got over that eventually. 

19 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Ahahahahaha! *dead*

Teeheehee 😆