General True Crime Shows

[TheGreenWave]

Did anyone watch the premier of Shattered on ID?  Pretty good - a bit of the usual police/victim's family interviewed mixed with a little "I Survived" - not sure if this is the format going forward, but Brook's first hand account was really powerful.

[spiderpig]

30 minutes ago, TheGreenWave said:

Did anyone watch the premier of Shattered on ID?  Pretty good - a bit of the usual police/victim's family interviewed mixed with a little "I Survived" - not sure if this is the format going forward, but Brook's first hand account was really powerful.

No, but thanks for the tip.  Due to blessed DVR capabilities we can FF through commercials, but miss promos for new shows at the same time.  PTV is my main source for what's happening.

[TheGreenWave]

16 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

a man with the last name Peterson.

And we also have the upcoming Drew Peterson special!

[TheGreenWave]

BTW for those watching The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Oxygen: just read that the remains they found are from a female of "Eastern European descent."  Maybe this is the closure those poor people have been waiting for....

[ButterQueen]

14 minutes ago, TheGreenWave said:

And we also have the upcoming Drew Peterson special!

I may watch that one.  I watched the Lifetime Movie about him and got chills.  He's right where he belongs.

ID channel?

[TheGreenWave]

1 minute ago, ButterQueen said:

I may watch that one.  I watched the Lifetime Movie about him and got chills.  He's right where he belongs.

ID channel?

Yep - this Sunday.  It's billed as one of those "American Murder Mysteries."  The previews of him are so creepy.  His "laugh" when he is getting frustrated with reporters is nothing short of chilling.

[auntjess]

I recorded Shattered. but it looked really gory, so haven't decided if I'll watch it.

[ButterQueen]

24 minutes ago, TheGreenWave said:

Yep - this Sunday.  It's billed as one of those "American Murder Mysteries."  The previews of him are so creepy.  His "laugh" when he is getting frustrated with reporters is nothing short of chilling.

Thanks!  I'll be out of town, so I can now record it.

[kathyk24]

39 minutes ago, auntjess said:

I recorded Shattered. but it looked really gory, so haven't decided if I'll watch it.

Shattered was heart wrenching it's one of ID networks best new shows

[SunnyBeBe]

3 hours ago, TheGreenWave said:

Did anyone watch the premier of Shattered on ID?  Pretty good - a bit of the usual police/victim's family interviewed mixed with a little "I Survived" - not sure if this is the format going forward, but Brook's first hand account was really powerful.

I did see it last night. Can you help me with something?  I saw the beginning, but, must have missed the part about why the 4 of them were together and where they were.  They never mentioned that part again.  Later on the shooter in his video says that he took the victim's money and that was that, but, why?  They were friends, yes.  Where they hanging out? Was this a drug deal?  Not that it justifies the murder, but, I'm trying to sort out what caused him to just shoot him like that.  The survivor never talked about what led up to the shooting.  

Edited August 24, 2017 by SunnyBeBe

[TheGreenWave]

1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I did see it last night. Can you help me with something?  I saw the beginning, but, must have missed the part about why the 4 of them were together and where they were.  They never mentioned that part again.  Later on the shooter in his video says that he took the victim's money and that was that, but, why?  They were friends, yes.  Where they hanging out? Was this a drug deal?  Not that it justifies the murder, but, I'm trying to sort out what caused him to just shoot him like that.  The survivor never talked about what led up to the shooting.

if you look at the crimefeed page on Investigation Discovery, they detail it a bit more, but, you are right - in the show they just say that Jeffery goes to Mississippi to collect a "debt" from Simmons.  Poor Brook had only been dating Jeffrey for like a few weeks before taking the road trip with him.

[Brattinella]

The debt that Brook and Jeffrey went to collect was around 20K. (drugs).  Guys didn't want to pay it, killed Jeffery and kidnapped Brook, most likely to kill her too, after they were done with her sexually.  Horrible, disturbing story.

[Annber03]

3 hours ago, TheGreenWave said:

Yep - this Sunday.  It's billed as one of those "American Murder Mysteries."  The previews of him are so creepy.  His "laugh" when he is getting frustrated with reporters is nothing short of chilling.

Yeah, he's got this permanent cocky smirk on his face that just screams "punchable slimeball". Even if you didn't know about/factor in the murder accusations, it'd still be very easy to believe he's a total narcissistic jerk who treats people like crap just by looking at him. 

As for "Shattered", agreed on the episode being a good one, albeit disturbing as hell. My heart broke for Brook and Jeff's dad. 

Edited August 24, 2017 by Annber03

[Brattinella]

1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I did see it last night. Can you help me with something?  I saw the beginning, but, must have missed the part about why the 4 of them were together and where they were.  They never mentioned that part again.  Later on the shooter in his video says that he took the victim's money and that was that, but, why?  They were friends, yes.  Where they hanging out? Was this a drug deal?  Not that it justifies the murder, but, I'm trying to sort out what caused him to just shoot him like that.  The survivor never talked about what led up to the shooting.  

Here is a pretty decent article from the case.  http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-press-news/2012/06/horrifying_murder_rape_case_re.html

[Brattinella]

How did Audrey Mabrey miss ALL the red flags that Christopher Hanney was throwing for YEARS??  Cheating, gambling, lying, still married, attacking her? What a monster!

[SunnyBeBe]

12 hours ago, Brattinella said:

How did Audrey Mabrey miss ALL the red flags that Christopher Hanney was throwing for YEARS??  Cheating, gambling, lying, still married, attacking her? What a monster!

I'm not that familiar with that story. I did read this.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/christopher-hanney-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-setting-his-wife-on-fire/1218119

Some of the cases, it seems the attacker gives plenty of warning what they are like before a person gets too close to them, marries, has kids, etc.  Other times, they seem to hide their evil self pretty well.  Just saw one this morning about the security guard (Seth Techel) in Iowa who murders his pregnant wife 8 months into their marriage.  Everyone, except his girlfriend, thought that they were happy together.  I can't figure out why the guy married her and was ready to get out after such as short time.  It was on this morning on ID Discovery channel.  I never got that the guy was after insurance money.  Just wanted out to be with his girlfriend.  

Edited August 25, 2017 by SunnyBeBe

[QuinnInND]

On 8/24/2017 at 9:18 AM, TheGreenWave said:

BTW for those watching The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Oxygen: just read that the remains they found are from a female of "Eastern European descent."  Maybe this is the closure those poor people have been waiting for....

I certainly hope so. 

[iMonrey]

Was Natalie Holloway of "eastern European descent?" I would think not. I would expect her to be of either Nordic, British or western European descent. 

[druzy]

Skeletal remains found in Natalee Holloway case are from a single person of ‘Caucasian, European descent’

http://people.com/crime/natalee-holloway-remains-caucasian-gender-unknown-aruba/

Edited August 25, 2017 by druzy

[KellsBells]

I had an interesting ID-related coincidence this week. I have been intermittently watching some old Cold Case Files episodes, and Wednesday night watched one about the killing of the Huling family. It was interesting, because I'd never seen it before. The next morning (yes, I'm home this week for dental surgery) there was a story on Motives and Murders about the murder of Marlys Wohlenhaus. I thought the name sounded familiar, but it wasn't until the latter show mentioned that the killer targeted waitresses that I realized is was the story of the same killer, on two different shows, within about 12 hours of each other. The second show never even mentioned the murder of the family.  The same story told in a completely different way. 

8 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Was Natalie Holloway of "eastern European descent?" I would think not. I would expect her to be of either Nordic, British or western European descent. 

I have dark hair and dark eyes, yet I'm almost entirely Norwegian. 

[spiderpig]

5 minutes ago, KellsBells said:

I have dark hair and dark eyes, yet I'm almost entirely Norwegian. 

Actress Alicia Vikander has said the same thing.  She is Swedish and Finnish, yet has dark hair and olive skin, and is always questioned about whether she was adopted.

[SunnyBeBe]

Hmm.....I need to get a DNA test.  Now, I'm curious about myself.  My entire family (grandparents on both sides, parents and siblings) have light blue eyes and blonde or brown hair. 

[spiderpig]

15 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Hmm.....I need to get a DNA test.  Now, I'm curious about myself.  My entire family (grandparents on both sides, parents and siblings) have light blue eyes and blonde or brown hair. 

My sister and I did this on a lark, since we look nothing alike and each accused the other of being the result of a visit from the milkman.

Turns out our results (submitted separately under our different surnames) were pretty much identical, bearing out what our grandparents told us of our family history.  She got the British/French/Dutch looks.  I got the Southern European.

We used 23andme.com and it's really detailed and fascinating, although it takes forever to fill the spit cup.

[walnutqueen]

American Monster: I can watch all sorts of nutfuckery, and often do, but when you start showing footage of sweet little children singing, after they've been murdered by their own mother?  I'm OUT.

Shame, shame, shame - ID needs to do the Cersei perp walk - STAT.

And I need to watch the CGI horrors that Game of Thrones will undoubtedly assail me with tonight, just to try to cleanse my palate.

[auntjess]

On ‎8‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 4:12 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

Hmm.....I need to get a DNA test.  Now, I'm curious about myself.  My entire family (grandparents on both sides, parents and
siblings) have light blue eyes and blonde or brown hair
 

An article I saw on Facebook, says people have been shocked/overwhelmed by the results, when they find that have a better than average chance of Alzheimers or other hereditary disease.

Edited August 28, 2017 by auntjess

[spiderpig]

9 minutes ago, auntjess said:

An article I saw on Facebook, says people have been shocked/overwhelmed by the results, when they find that have a better than average chance of Alzheimers or other hereditary disease.

23andme gives you the option of signing up for that type of genetic analysis.  They seem to be a pretty respectable and responsible organization, but we're holding off for now.

[Brattinella]

5 minutes ago, spiderpig said:

23andme gives you the option of signing up for that type of genetic analysis.  They seem to be a pretty respectable and responsible organization, but we're holding off for now.

Yeah, I wouldn't want anyone else besides my doctor and me knowing those sorts of medical things.

[Annber03]

2 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

American Monster: I can watch all sorts of nutfuckery, and often do, but when you start showing footage of sweet little children singing, after they've been murdered by their own mother?  I'm OUT.

Shame, shame, shame - ID needs to do the Cersei perp walk - STAT.

And I need to watch the CGI horrors that Game of Thrones will undoubtedly assail me with tonight, just to try to cleanse my palate.

I was terrified that we'd find out she used that sword on her kids. Jesus, what a horrifying story. 

[QuinnInND]

Did anyone watch the Drew Peterson show? Creepy ass fucker. His lawyer that they had on was a serious douchecanoe.  I used to think lawyers were the scum of the earth. I've just downgraded my opinion. I hope someday they find Stacey's body. And apparently Petersons oldest son got custody of Stacey's kids? Um.. OK... And he won't let Stacey's sister see them. Another dick. Why didn't her sister or someone from her family get custody? Anyone remember? 

[walnutqueen]

Just now, Annber03 said:

I was terrified that we'd find out she used that sword on her kids. Jesus, what a horrifying story. 

Bad enough that she smothered them (hopefully in their sleep) but still a most horrible way to die.  And yet another reason to make me want to KILL, KILL, KILL,

[Annber03]

17 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

Bad enough that she smothered them (hopefully in their sleep) but still a most horrible way to die.  And yet another reason to make me want to KILL, KILL, KILL,

Agreed. And she went out with friends afterward, too! I just...how cold do you have to be, honestly? 

19 minutes ago, QuinnInND said:

Did anyone watch the Drew Peterson show? Creepy ass fucker. 

Watching it now. Good god, the way Drew interacts with the media...I just want to slap that damned smirk off his face already. 

[walnutqueen]

5 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

Agreed. And she went out with friends afterward, too! I just...how cold do you have to be, honestly? 

Watching it now. Good god, the way Drew interacts with the media...I just want to slap that damned smirk off his face already. 

Saving it for tomorrow morning, when I can stand it.  Maybe.

[SunnyBeBe]

The episode of American Monster about the mother who killed her family was horrific.  Children have very little protection from parents who intend them harm.  It's one of my biggest issues in our society.  They revealed some warning as to the mother's inclination, but, I would bet there was a lot more. People just don't take things seriously for some reason.  Even when there are many signs, people just don't pick up on them or they ignore them.  I'm not annoyed with the show for showing it.  It's a brutal truth that people need to be aware of.  One of my impressions is that when the mother told family and friends that she was afraid her husband was going to harm himself and the kids......IMO, that's an emergency situation and the children should have been placed in a safe place until the truth could have been discovered.  You call the police, CPS, etc.  You just don't ignore stuff like that.  An investigation by child protective services might have discovered she was the unstable and violent one. 

Edited August 28, 2017 by SunnyBeBe

[Annber03]

2 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

They revealed some warning as to the mother's inclination, but, I would bet there was a lot more. People just don't take things seriously for some reason.  Even when there are many signs, people just don't pick up on them or they ignore them. 

So true, and you see that so often on a lot of these kinds of shows. Every once in a while there'll be that story where some family member or spouse or somebody will go, "I got a weird feeling about them right off the bat", but it's scary how often a lot of strange behavior slips past people's radars until it's far too late. 

There's also the fact that some criminals are just really, REALLY good at hiding their darker sides for a long time, or knowing how to manipulate people in order to gain their trust, which is a large part of what makes them so terrifying to begin with. 

11 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

Saving it for tomorrow morning, when I can stand it.  Maybe.

It was interesting and disturbing, and touched on some aspects of the case and the discussion around it that I'd forgotten, like the radio station DJ that was all, "Hey, let's do a 'Win a date with Drew Peterson' contest! What could possibly go wrong there?!" Moron... (And on that note, I hadn't heard about the whole "Stacy who?" thing before now, which...wow, yeah, let's make a joke out of a woman's disappearance and likely murder! And then they're like, "That was probably not a good thing to say" when reflecting on it. No shit, ya think?) 

I just feel so bad for these women's families.. Hearing about the rough life and numerous other tragedies Stacy and her family had experienced prior to her disappearance just added to the sadness of it all. 

Edited August 28, 2017 by Annber03

[SunnyBeBe]

You're right about people ignoring signs.  I recall one show recently about a guy who told his family that he had murdered some people for years.  His sister, who was being interviewed, says that she didn't believe him!  As it turned out, he had been killing people.  They were buried in his back yard!  The guy was begging to be caught.  

[KellsBells]

23 hours ago, QuinnInND said:

Did anyone watch the Drew Peterson show? Creepy ass fucker. His lawyer that they had on was a serious douchecanoe.  I used to think lawyers were the scum of the earth. I've just downgraded my opinion. I hope someday they find Stacey's body. And apparently Petersons oldest son got custody of Stacey's kids? Um.. OK... And he won't let Stacey's sister see them. Another dick. Why didn't her sister or someone from her family get custody? Anyone remember? 

I watched half of it today, am going to finish it in the morning.  Sort of tempered my sympathy for Stacy when I found out how horrible she was to his first wife -- taping her, taunting her, etc. Karma's a big bitch sometimes. ETA: not his first wife; his third wife, Kathleen, who he was married to when he started dating Stacy. 

Edited August 29, 2017 by KellsBells
To clarify which of Drew's many wives was before Stacy.

[SunnyBeBe]

Another theme that I'm seeing in many of these true crime shows is how often women who hook up with criminals, abusers, drug addicts, etc., end up dead or missing. The poor girl featured on Gone last night just couldn't seem to find a man who wasn't an abuser or violent.  She just seemed to follow trouble.  Of course, alcohol is often a factor too.  Violent people, alcohol and bad things sure do come together a lot.  A young girl was shot to death by her former boyfriend in my community recently.  She had lived with this man who was terribly violent for awhile despite warnings from her family.  Finally, she got a restraining order, but, he ignored it and killed her in a public place.  

[KellsBells]

3 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Another theme that I'm seeing in many of these true crime shows is how often women who hook up with criminals, abusers, drug addicts, etc., end up dead or missing. The poor girl featured on Gone last night just couldn't seem to find a man who wasn't an abuser or violent.  She just seemed to follow trouble.  Of course, alcohol is often a factor too.  Violent people, alcohol and bad things sure do come together a lot.  A young girl was shot to death by her former boyfriend in my community recently.  She had lived with this man who was terribly violent for awhile despite warnings from her family.  Finally, she got a restraining order, but, he ignored it and killed her in a public place.  

Very true. I watched a show on ID last week, can't remember which one, where a young girl disappeared. Turns out mom's 4th husband was a convicted sex offender -- and she knew it when she married him. Needless to say, it was him who had abducted and killed the girl, as well as abusing her sisters. When asked why she married him knowing he was a sex offender she said something along the lines of, "well, his family trusted him, so I figured he was okay." Sheesh. 

[azshadowwalker]

Just watched the Shattered episode about Jeff and "Brook," then went to read articles. Still don't understand why the dude who owned the house was executed, but the actual shooter got life without parole. Neither seemed better than the other. 

I felt horrible for "Brook". Little less horrible for Jeff. If someone owes you a $12-20k drug debt, you aren't a small time pot dealer. You know the risks. The dismemberment was appalling, but the murder was a dime a dozen. It is a risk you accept when you get that deep in running large quantities of marijuana--especially if you are stupid enough to front that quantity of drugs. I really can't believe that he would take his new girlfriend on such a "business trip." Leave her at the motel, at least. He had no concerns for her life. Not a big fan of this victim. 

Edited August 29, 2017 by azshadowwalker

[tobeannounced]

16 hours ago, KellsBells said:

I watched half of it today, am going to finish it in the morning.  Sort of tempered my sympathy for Stacy when I found out how horrible she was to his first wife -- taping her, taunting her, etc. Karma's a big bitch sometimes. ETA: not his first wife; his third wife, Kathleen, who he was married to when he started dating Stacy. 

Yeah, I really thought that was crappy behavior on Stacy's part, but what do you expect from a child bride. And apparently Kathleen cheated with Drew when he was still married. What do they say? You'll lose him the same way you got him?

Anyway, I really never followed this case, so it was all pretty new info to me. How gross and creepy did Drew and Stacy look together? Made my skin crawl. And did she really give birth to FOUR children by the age of 23? Just hard to fathom in this day and age.

ETA: Just did some Google-fu and realized she only gave birth to two of the four.

Edited August 29, 2017 by tobeannounced

[Otter]

I wish there was an easier way to navigate this forum -- I only come here for the Scott Peterson mini "doc".  Lol, I feel like I'm interrupting.  I need to read Catherine Crier's book again -- it's the only true crime book I didn't give away and had SO many.  

This is maddening.  The bias is so evident only having SP's family and attorneys giving opinions  Except for Nancy G, who looks like her demonic self and her "victim spiel"  I'm truly surprised that A&E played the taped phone call from "Paris" on NYE.  They did however leave out that SP took a bunch of flyers to post/hand out and immediately threw them in a trash can and went to play golf..   It also left out a interview when the phone rang, Laci is still missing.  The reporter asked if he wanted to answer it and he said no.  Really?  Your pregnant wife is missing?  

Circumstantial evidence carries as much weight as direct evidence.  DNA is circumstantial evidence.  The jury heard all his lies and put the puzzle together.  SP wasn't as smart as he claimed.  

 

[auntjess]

25 minutes ago, Otter said:

wish there was an easier way to navigate this forum -- I only come here for the Scott Peterson mini "doc".

I see there's a topic in one-offs. 

[azshadowwalker]

1 hour ago, Otter said:

I wish there was an easier way to navigate this forum -- I only come here for the Scott Peterson mini "doc".  Lol, I feel like I'm interrupting.  

This thread is for shows that don't have their own forums. So, it's meant to cover lots of stuff. In fact, some people would prefer that we talked about all true crime shows here, and no individual forums existed. (I am not one of those, BTW.) What I am saying is don't feel like you are interrupting, since that's just how it rolls in the basement threads. Just make sure you refer to the show you are commenting on and quote things you are replying to. 

[auntjess]

Yes, feel free to jump in.  I'm one who wants shows together, because the same crimes are done by many shows, and very,very few shows merit all those extra topics.
And am I the only person who melded Drew & Scott Peterson together, along with wives Stacy, Laci?

[tobeannounced]

There were quite a few comments on the Scott Peterson show on page 61 starting about halfway down, and then there are some near the top of page 62.

Edited August 30, 2017 by tobeannounced

[azshadowwalker]

5 hours ago, auntjess said:

And am I the only person who melded Drew & Scott Peterson together, along with wives Stacy, Laci?

I used to get Drew and Scott confused, but I didn't really know Stacy's name. I only remembered Laci. 

[SunnyBeBe]

The lady on Gone this week went missing in Modesto, CA.  I knew it sounded familiar and I suddenly remembered that that was where Lacy Peterson lived AND later the show mentioned it.  AND Chanda Levy lived there too, though she had moved to DC when she went missing.  These all happened within about a 2 year span.  I suppose it's just coincidental, since none of them were connected.

20 hours ago, KellsBells said:

Very true. I watched a show on ID last week, can't remember which one, where a young girl disappeared. Turns out mom's 4th husband was a convicted sex offender -- and she knew it when she married him. Needless to say, it was him who had abducted and killed the girl, as well as abusing her sisters. When asked why she married him knowing he was a sex offender she said something along the lines of, "well, his family trusted him, so I figured he was okay." Sheesh. 

I recall that one. If it's the one I'm thinking of, she was charged criminally and served time in prison for allowing the man to have access to her daughter. 

[Otter]

12 hours ago, auntjess said:

Yes, feel free to jump in.  I'm one who wants shows together, because the same crimes are done by many shows, and very,very few shows merit all those extra topics.
And am I the only person who melded Drew & Scott Peterson together, along with wives Stacy, Laci?

Thanks all for explaining how this part of the forum operates!  It is a bit confusing the a newbie.  :)

You're forgetting another "Peterson" -- Michael Peterson.  So we had a west coast Peterson, a midwest Peterson and an east coast Peterson all around the same time.  I vowed to never date a man named Peterson.  

[Annber03]

1 hour ago, Otter said:

You're forgetting another "Peterson" -- Michael Peterson.  So we had a west coast Peterson, a midwest Peterson and an east coast Peterson all around the same time.  I vowed to never date a man named Peterson.  

My mom said the same thing! Kinda weird how often that name pops up, yeah. Eerie similarities in regards to Modesto that SunnyBeBe mentioned, too. 

Welcome to the forums, by the way :)!

[iMonrey]

Quote

This is maddening.  The bias is so evident only having SP's family and attorneys giving opinions  

OMG it's actually gotten hilarious. Last night the Peterson family was trying to spin the whole story about Scott being on the border with 10,000 dollars in cash. They said someone named Jackie (his mother?) accidentally withdrew 10K and then paid him back in cash. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttttttt??????????????? How can you "accidentally" withdraw $10,000? It's not like you can go to an ATM and punch in $100 and it accidentally spits out 10K. This is ridiculous! Has this family actually convinced themselves this can be true? They're just as in denial as Scott! I also love how they think "he was going to play golf" actually makes him look better, considering this is the day they identified the remains of his wife and baby. 

This "limited series" has become unintentionally parody.