Grey's Anatomy in the Media: Incident Reporting

[kdm07]

I agree. I also hold the seemingly UO that Shonda and the cast do not have to praise Patrick at every press event. They were there for a photoshoot celebrating the new season of #TGIT, one which Patrick decided not to be part of (he states in 3 of his interviews that he was not fired).  

 

I'm with you on this UO. Whether he was fired or not, Dempsey is no longer a part of the show. They were there to promote #TGIT so why should they praise a former cast member at a promotion event for their new season? Then again I always fairly neutral on Derrick so maybe that's why the comments don't really bother me as much as others.

Edited September 5, 2015 by kdm07

[Nobodysfan]

My recollection is that Duchovny/Anderson couldn't stand each other by the end of the original run of the X-files and barely spoke.  It's only after a decade apart they are having fun again playing in these roles.

I was referring to the revival not the past.

I'll agree with you about season 9-11, but I believe that corresponds to when his racing went from hobby to career and he started racing more seriously and frequently.  I am not trying to say Derek was the "star" or most important or vital to the show.  In the early season the five interns were definitely on par with him.

 

I don't really want to get back into the behind the scenes drama, but given that Patrick has said he left on his own, I am guessing the perceived tension between Pompeo and Dempsey is due to him quitting/asking to be let out of his contract early.  Considering how much she bashed Heigel for doing that same thing, I can't imagine she'd be pleased with Dempsey after that.  

 

Very true. I agree  with you as well. Yes, the show can go without Derek, but to say he didn´t have a major role is not right in my opinion this is the message Rhimes and Pompeo give to the audience through the media and fans are angry, and it is unfair to Dempsey. He has acted the legendary McDreamy role and to say when their words are translated it means nothing now is disrespect. On the other hand, the show constantly adapting to his racing schedule might have been exhausting for the production, for his colleagues.

Though I remember in regard with who the lovestory of the show is in one interview both Dempsey and Pompeo in S9 pointed out the fact that your spouse should be your best friend,your person, not your female friend - so no Meredith/Cristina but both advocated for MerDer which now it seems Pompeo has forgotten as well.

 

They=actors all change words as it fits them for fear of Shonda´s anger because they see what happens if you piss her off. JMHO

Edited September 5, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[BizBuzz]

At this point its unlikely whatever happened will be made public but given how everything has transpired I believe there's some really bad blood there. Not just between Shonda & Patrick but also between Ellen & Patrick. JMO based on interviews.

 

I know you just want to let it go, however, this is something I never really thought of until you mentioned it.  I guess I have been one of the ones blind with anger at the WAY he was killed off, not that he was killed off (which is normal for Grey's).

 

Looking back on the last season, the chemistry that was very evident in earlier seasons between Ellen and Patrick was missing.  The acting, whenever they were in a scene together, seemed off ... I attributed it to the whole they knew what was going to happen and their hearts weren't in it, but it might have gone deeper than that.

 

As a fan, I hate to think of them as not getting along behind the scenes, but that sure would explain the lack of chemistry.

[maasa]

She wants the spotlight for her not to share it with Dempsey

She can't share the spotlight for season 12 with someone who is not there.

 

Maybe its because I'm not a MerDer fan or an Ellen or Patrick fangirl but I'm honestly at a loss at what people expect from Ellen. She's out promoting the show along with the casts of all three Thursday night shows. She's an actress who is happy (by all interviews) with her storyline for next season. She relates to it personally and thinks its important. The storyline came to be because her co-star left the show. I firmly believe that anything other than quitting the show or having a public breakdown while worshiping Patrick will never be enough. She'll be ripped apart for every comment she makes about the show. I also believe if the roles were reversed and Ellen left that the narrative would be completely different and it would be "that bitch left Patrick there". Good old double standards.

The acting, whenever they were in a scene together, seemed off ... I attributed it to the whole they knew what was going to happen and their hearts weren't in it, but it might have gone deeper than that.

I thought the lack of emotion from Meredith when Derek died was shock initially but now I think its possible that she was just fine with him going and that came through on screen.

Edited September 5, 2015 by maasa

[Nobodysfan]

She can't share the spotlight for season 12 with someone who is not there.

 

Obviously, but this is not what I meant. What I meant is that she wants to be the star of the show and now with Dempsey gone she hopes and wants to become one and there isn´t Dempsey to hinder it. JMO

 

Anyway, it doesn´t matter anymore. Patrick is off racing happily and Pompeo is happy posing solo on magazine covers. Both got what they wanted.

Edited September 5, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[windsprints]

I guess I have been one of the ones blind with anger at the WAY he was killed off, not that he was killed off (which is normal for Grey's).

I'm with you on how he was killed off. For me, the episode was just plain bad. There's been some great death scenes on tv (as weird as that is to say) that give the actor great material and the character a decent sendoff. I didn't think the episode did either of that. Nothing can change that now though. I know everyone does not feel the same but I've decided to watch and put the episode behind me. Its not the first time I've decided to do that and continue watching with this show. I'm looking forward to both the show and the media moving beyond it all.

She can't share the spotlight for season 12 with someone who is not there.

Agree. Ultimately its not entirely her decision whether or not she appears on magazine covers or the posters alone anyway. She may like it and agree to it but she doesn't control the ABC/Disney promotional materials or magazines owned by Time, Inc. Its not like she's been trying to shove him out for 11 years so she could pounce on the fame. All the actors show up for events like this to promote their shows, nothing wrong with it IMO.

Edited September 7, 2015 by windsprints

[represent]

 

What I meant is that she wants to be the star of the show and now with Dempsey gone she hopes and wants to become one and there isn´t Dempsey to hinder it. JMO

It's not that she wants to be the star, in reality she is the star of the show, not Dempsey or Oh who was for me the star. But that doesn't take away from the fact that I know that the creator intended for Pompeo and  her character to be the star of the show. She is not supposed to be on equal footing with Dempsey and his character she is supposed to be above him and everyone else sitting at the top. I must say I can't blame the woman for being annoyed, with the negativity, because she's still there trying to do her job, she's put in the time etc..  Each of Shonda's shows has a  female star KW and VD are the stars of her other two shows. Now viewers may not care for those two either and other actors/actresses may seem more like the stars to them but that doesn't take away from the fact that the leads on these three shows get top billing, they are women, and were intended to be the stars.

 

I may not be a huge fan of MG or Pompeo who plays her, but I am a supporter of women getting their due and I still see double standards and injustice. See IMO this is where the sexism comes in because I honestly don't believe that if the reverse were the case and this show had PD as the lead and being the voice that told the story, that if Ellen left there would be all this outrage.  The couple was huge, I'm sure Pompeo knows this but she is an individual, an actor in her own right and I can understand her feeling resentment as people act like the "world is coming to an end" because her character's better half is gone and clearly how can she go on..... And, she's gotta act like she she'll miss PD so much and praise their partnership continuously,  or she just ungrateful, full of herself....whatever. His face and hair and so called "McDreamy" persona may have been what sold the show all these years and they used him to do so, but bottom line, a woman was meant to be the star of this show, not "McDreamy."  

Edited September 7, 2015 by represent

[Nobodysfan]

We agree to disagree represent.

 

A HUGE number of MerDer fans are outraged at the lack of respect for Dempsey either from Shonda or Pompeo as well as the WAY he was killed.  Also the actor from NCIS commented in the media it was mean and petty and personal from Rhimes . As Dempsey wants to race, let Derek drive a Porsche and let´s kill him in it in the silliest way possible. Also Meredith just unplugs her husband almost immediately of life support when people hope for their beloved ones to wake up and many spend torturing days, weeks, months hoping the condition will get better or hoping for a miracle, looking for other specialists´ opinions,consulting to be able to come to the decision to unplug their beloved ones. I didn´t see a loving spouse in Meredith. Just quickly get rid of him and we will be fine.

 

But to present McDreamy as if he was there just for his hair and only as Meredith´s appendix is sexist, too. And men are used as sex objects on this show. What females may argue that some shows portray men as superior to women, but Shonda does the same with  women portrayed as being superior to men, so Rhimes is not better to me. Also with Rhimes some women are superior to other women - proof: for instance poor treatment of Jo - lack of professional development although some are allowed to be freaking superheroes. 

 

If both Rhimes and Pompeo had a different attitude, a different way with words towards Dempsey and fans via media I would perceive it differently but the lack of respect they show is huge. They are almost laughing and mocking fans for mourning Derek and to think that Derek had almost zero importance for the show whatsoever, this is pretty offensive to my way of thinking towards Dempsey as well as towards loyal fans of this couple or his character for 11 seasons long. 

 

I don´t care if Pompeo wants to shine or be the star, may it be so, but respect and gender equality are the words for me in the first place.  Not men on top or women on top, but equality is what we should strive for.

Also to pose naked or almost naked on the magazine cover to portray her character Meredith in this way - I don´t know whose idea it was - a desperate attempt to attract, not really one that characterises a sophisticated lady or one that may appeal or should appeal to today´s women. Yes, she is well-styled, one may express "Oh, what a sexy pose", but when analysed it is shallow and superficial. I´d rather be inspired by a fully clothed elegant Viola Davis as Annalise who radiates more charisma and sex appeal than almost naked Pompeo on the HTGAWM cover. Moreover, to carry the show you have to be a superb actress which Viola Davis undoubtedly is, not sure Pompeo is though, seems unlikely to me. JMHO

Edited September 8, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[Nobodysfan]

http://gravedancer40.tumblr.com/post/128674773785/an-open-letter-to-abc-shonda-rhimes-and-ellen

 

 

 

I came across this on twitter. 100% truth. The person named gravedancer40 totally summed up what a huge amount of fans feel, I say BRAVO.

I have not read a better reflection written by a fan after Derek´s death. BRAVO!!!!

 

Please read and make your own opinion. I share the same viewpoint. I can only repeat  the words that the poster ends PPS note with but it is not appropriate here.

Edited September 9, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[Deanie87]

Hhmmm....I don't know.  I agree with the fact that Derek's death could have been done much, much, much better and I agree with the fact that the little touch of Derek dying in a car accident was probably in bad taste.  And with the fact that fans who are upset about this are somehow sexist.  Fans who have given a decade of their life have every right to be unhappy with how things went down ONSCREEN.  But that is about all I agree with.

 

First and foremost, that person loses me with the "Fuck You Shonda" and the #Is Ellen a bitch stuff.  I just think its uncalled for and if you multiply that by 1,000 with much of that 1,000 being much ruder and much more hysterical and vitriolic, then honestly whatever Ellen or Shonda says is fine by me regarding this whole situation.  Unless someone knows all of the principals involved and was on the set every single day to see what transpired, I really don't think that this kind of uninformed vitriol gets anyone anywhere.

 

Secondly, maybe because I am not a Patrick Dempsey or MerDer fan, but I will never believe that the success of the show is soley based on him alone or them as a couple.  I remember the posts on TWOP about the show back in season 1-2.  Yes, people had a lot to say about Patrick and MerDer but just as many had stuff to say about Addison and Cris/Burke, Izzie/Denny and the 5 interns in general.  Maybe all of those other characters didn't have the following that MerDer had, but I will never agree that PD and MerDer are the only reason that the show was successful, regardless of how many people insist otherwise.  I would have never started watching the show if it hadn't been for other factors, much less kept with it as bad as it has gotten.

 

Finally, I get that people are mad and that fans still feel betrayed by Derek's death.  But I am tired of people who claim that they haven't watched in years/will never watch again going on and on and on on about it.  If you've moved on great....there are 4,000 other and better shows out there.  Godspeed!  

[BaseOps]

Secondly, maybe because I am not a Patrick Dempsey or MerDer fan, but I will never believe that the success of the show is soley based on him alone or them as a couple.  I remember the posts on TWOP about the show back in season 1-2.  Yes, people had a lot to say about Patrick and MerDer but just as many had stuff to say about Addison and Cris/Burke, Izzie/Denny and the 5 interns in general.  Maybe all of those other characters didn't have the following that MerDer had, but I will never agree that PD and MerDer are the only reason that the show was successful, regardless of how many people insist otherwise.  I would have never started watching the show if it hadn't been for other factors, much less kept with it as bad as it has gotten.

 

Finally, I get that people are mad and that fans still feel betrayed by Derek's death.  But I am tired of people who claim that they haven't watched in years/will never watch again going on and on and on on about it.  If you've moved on great....there are 4,000 other and better shows out there.  Godspeed!  

 

THIS! I've watched Grey's since it premiered, and I always remember fans despising Meredith back then - many saying they watched the show in spite of her. So yes, of course they had a ton of fans, and they were the 'central' couple of the show, but it has always been Meredith's show with an ensemble cast. In season 1, my favourite characters were Bailey, Cristina, Burke and George. In season 2 I loved Addison, Alex, George, Izzie, etc. etc. Derek / Meredith has never meant much to me, mainly because I never found Derek's character to be particularly interesting. He was fine, and I never hated him (I certainly found him annoying in a few instances) but he was never a draw for me.

 

I think as a couple they've been boring for a while, and I feel like the writers weren't always quite sure of what to do with Meredith and how to give her existing stories outside of the marriage, so they created phoney drama. I'm excited about the possibilities now for Meredith, and to not see her tied down to stories with Derek. I'm incredibly unenthusiastic about her living with Amelia, but otherwise I'm more excited than I have been in a long time to see Meredith's journey this season. 

[Deanie87]

I think as a couple they've been boring for a while, and I feel like the writers weren't always quite sure of what to do with Meredith and how to give her existing stories outside of the marriage, so they created phoney drama. I'm excited about the possibilities now for Meredith, and to not see her tied down to stories with Derek. I'm incredibly unenthusiastic about her living with Amelia, but otherwise I'm more excited than I have been in a long time to see Meredith's journey this season.

I agree. In my opinion, Derek was always a "love interest" and I always preferred his relationships outside of Meredith. He was much more enjoyable with Mark, Addison, Bailey and Richard than he ever was with Meredith. In fact, I think that having MerDer stay together since season 5 actually hurt both characters. Derek never got much that didn't have to do with Meredith after his season 5 storyline with the brain patient (at least that I recall) and Meredith was so involved with Derek and Cristina that she has very few connections left even though she is the main character. This is 100% the fault of the writers, of course, but it is what it is.

As long as the writers get a handle on Meredith again (by that I mean return her to the caustic and self-centered yet compassionate center of the show), then I am looking forward to see where they are going. The actors, Shonda and the network seem revitalized, so lets see if it pays off onscreen.

Edited September 9, 2015 by Deanie87

[Nobodysfan]

 

First and foremost, that person loses me with the "Fuck You Shonda".  I just think its uncalled for and if you multiply that by 1,000 with much of that 1,000 being much ruder and much more hysterical and vitriolic, then honestly whatever Ellen or Shonda says is fine by me regarding this whole situation.  

They gave him this exact message through media F...y.... Dempsey or Derek, reading between the lines of what they said and how they wrote Derek off and then sweeping the floor after him abruptly, it is there,just not literally written. JMHO

 

Anyway, we agree to disagree. 

 

I see Derek/MerDer fans have left this forum. It is understandable as I witness here.  

Edited September 9, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[pennben]

 

Finally, I get that people are mad and that fans still feel betrayed by Derek's death.  But I am tired of people who claim that they haven't watched in years/will never watch again going on and on and on on about it.  If you've moved on great....there are 4,000 other and better shows out there.  Godspeed!

 

Amen to that!  I laughed at myself recently when How I Met Your Mother ended.  I had grown bored with the show and only watched the last couple of seasons to see how it ended.  I was FURIOUS with the ending (ruined the whole series for me) and ranted for several days after the finale, then I checked myself for being ridiculous and let it go.  Another valuable lesson I learned from that show was to quit hanging on to something that doesn't entertain me anymore.  I dumped about 5 shows almost immediately thereafter from my DVR and never looked back.  No proclamations, I just hit the delete button, that's all it took!:)

Edited September 9, 2015 by pennben

[represent]

 

I don´t care if Pompeo wants to shine or be the star, may it be so, but respect and gender equality are the words for me in the first place.  Not men on top or women on top, but equality is what we should strive for.

Again it's not about Pompeo wanting to be the star,  but it's the reality that the creator created the show with her being the star.  There is no doubt based on countless interviews that Meredith Grey is the star in and of Grey's Anatomy.  And I'm no cheerleader for that, but it's reality. You keep saying she wants to be, and maybe that because like me, you never thought of her as the star because you never connected with the character, I don't know. I know that's why I never felt like she was the star, but what I feel and what I know are two very different things in this case.  When you say she wants to be the star it sounds like Pompeo has had to claw her way and step over others to do so and this is where we disagree because the "preordained" lead and star of a show doesn't need to do that whether viewers like him/her or not. The creator has presented the show to the audience, right from the very beginning with this actor/actress as the star of the show. They don't have to want to or fight for a position they already have. 

 

In terms of equality, for me equality means that both men and women get the same chance at the same opportunities if they work hard enough for it. It means they get paid the same for the same work. It also means that women don't get judged and crucified negatively for any of their life/career choices they make, as long as their not breaking any laws. Being a stay at home mother should be equally applauded as the woman who want to focus on her career and not have children, as well as all the other choices in between that women make for themselves. This is truly what feminism is IMO. And I still think our society/culture overall,both men and women, still have a ways to go in understanding  and embracing this concept.

 

So in terms of women being leads and men taking the backseat when it comes to the field of entertainment I have no issue with it. Why?  Because there was a time when there were no female leads, let alone roles for actors/actresses in other minority groups.  Sometimes I appreciate the fantasy that is presented to me on screen, but other times I want the world in which I live in to be reflected on that screen and for many years Hollywood was failing miserably on that front. They've gotten better, but they need to keep pushing forward because there's still work to be done.  

 

I feel that this is what Shonda is trying to do, even out the playing field. As much as she pisses me off, her daring not to give me what I wanted for my character LOL, I definitely support what she is trying to do overall when it comes to television and how women are portrayed. Maybe she doesn't get it right, maybe she does for some, but I get what she has been attempting to do and it's striving for equality as far as I am concerned. If this show doesn't have men being more at the center in terms of story line I wouldn't call it an example of inequality because it's just not happening widespread across the field of entertainment. This is a drama in which the creator wanted the story lines to be told from the women's points of view.  I guess I can understand though, that if you've watched the show for a decade plus and you've fallen in love with various pairings, that within those pairings you'd want to at some point see a bit more of the other partner's point of view especially a pairing that you've watched for a decade. 

Edited September 9, 2015 by represent

[maasa]

Tumblr posts are media now? I'm sorry but that post (and half of tumblr) sound like a teen having a temper tantrum then slamming their bedroom door. But, since its being discussed I'll join:

 

In agreement with many of the thoughts already posted here by Deanie87, BaseOps and Pennbenn.

 

I do agree that it echoes the sentiments of many MerDer fans since Derek died. Its filled with hypocrisy and a sense of entitlement that's been screamed over and over, just a couple of examples from the post to highlight what I'm, referring to:

 

"Don't tell us how to feel" but we'll tell Ellen she's wrong for feeling badly about the hate she received after Derek died.

"Fans are people with feelings about fictional characters" but I'll be awful towards actors on the show - real people with feelings.

"No one has stepped up and addressed fan upset in a polite understanding way." Perhaps try being polite yourself before demanding it from others. Hint: "shit show", "Ellen is a bitch" "fuck you Shonda" isn't polite.

"WE’RE ALLOWED TO BE UPSET. WE’RE ALLOWED TO BE MAD."  Ellen and the other actors are allowed to be concerned about her job and livelihood.

"Because here’s the thing, Ellen. It’s not about you." Of course not, its about MerDer fans. Ellen and the rest of the cast don't matter.

 

"I used to be a HUGE fan but stopped watching a few years ago and walked away from most of it." / "That’s why I’m walking entirely away from a show I used to love."

If this person stopped watching a few years ago than what exactly is she walking away from now? 

WE’RE ALLOWED TO STOP WATCHING THE SHOW

You already did, see above.

 

Real media is reporting that Patrick has found his next project: https://deadline.com/2015/09/patrick-dempsey-bridget-jones-baby-working-title-renee-zellweger-colin-firth-1201519501/

 

I'm fairly neutral on him as an actor but I'm happy for him. I hope its the first of many roles. I do think its ironic that its a romcom given the bile many of his fans directed towards Katherine Heigl for appearing in romcoms when leaving Grey's.

I've watched Grey's since it premiered, and I always remember fans despising Meredith back then - many saying they watched the show in spite of her. So yes, of course they had a ton of fans, and they were the 'central' couple of the show, but it has always been Meredith's show with an ensemble cast. In season 1, my favourite characters were Bailey, Cristina, Burke and George. In season 2 I loved Addison, Alex, George, Izzie, etc. etc. Derek / Meredith has never meant much to me, mainly because I never found Derek's character to be particularly interesting. He was fine, and I never hated him (I certainly found him annoying in a few instances) but he was never a draw for me.

THIS! The show as a whole was talked about and every character had fans. Its ridiculous to claim that 15+ million were all tuning in back then for just MerDer.

Edited September 9, 2015 by maasa

[pennben]

Please let the season start soon!! We all need this new season to start yesterday.  We need new news!! 

Edited September 10, 2015 by pennben

[Deanie87]

In terms of equality, for me equality means that both men and women get the same chance at the same opportunities if they work hard enough for it. It means they get paid the same for the same work. It also means that women don't get judged and crucified negatively for any of their life/career choices they make, as long as their not breaking any laws. Being a stay at home mother should be equally applauded as the woman who want to focus on her career and not have children, as well as all the other choices in between that women make for themselves. This is truly what feminism is IMO. And I still think our society/culture overall,both men and women, still have a ways to go in understanding  and embracing this concept.

 

So in terms of women being leads and men taking the backseat when it comes to the field of entertainment I have no issue with it. Why?  Because there was a time when there were no female leads, let alone roles for actors/actresses in other minority groups.  Sometimes I appreciate the fantasy that is presented to me on screen, but other times I want the world in which I live in to be reflected on that screen and for many years Hollywood was failing miserably on that front. They've gotten better, but they need to keep pushing forward because there's still work to be done.  

 

I feel that this is what Shonda is trying to do, even out the playing field. As much as she pisses me off, her daring not to give me what I wanted for my character LOL, I definitely support what she is trying to do overall when it comes to television and how women are portrayed. Maybe she doesn't get it right, maybe she does for some, but I get what she has been attempting to do and it's striving for equality as far as I am concerned. If this show doesn't have men being more at the center in terms of story line I wouldn't call it an example of inequality because it's just not happening widespread across the field of entertainment. This is a drama in which the creator wanted the story lines to be told from the women's points of view.  I guess I can understand though, that if you've watched the show for a decade plus and you've fallen in love with various pairings, that within those pairings you'd want to at some point see a bit more of the other partner's point of view especially a pairing that you've watched for a decade. 

 

I agree with you to an extent and touched on this a bit in the spoilers section.  In theory, I love what Shonda is trying to do in flipping the script and having everything from a woman's point of view while the men take a back seat for the most part.  My problem is that she doesn't do it very well anymore.  (And the fact that Alex has always been my favorite and now that most of the other characters that I like are gone I don't want him in the backseat.)

 

In earlier seasons, Shonda (or the writers or whomever) was able to show strong, interesting women who were actual characters and were fallible and sometimes unlikable but as smart, as strong, as arrogant and as ambitious as the men, sometimes more so.  But the character came first, not the Big Idea (I don't want to use the word agenda because it is so loaded).  Now, it seems like Shonda (or whoever) wants to get the idea of I AM WOMAN across more than she wants to have characters act organically.  And that is a huge problem for me and it makes for both a disappointing character and a watering down of whatever message she is trying to get across.

Edited September 10, 2015 by Deanie87

[Nobodysfan]

Tumblr posts are media now? I'm sorry but that post (and half of tumblr) sound like a teen having a temper tantrum then slamming their bedroom door.  

Where should I put the link then? I will gladly accept your advice if you think this is not the right thread.

I believe Tumblr as Twitter are part of the Internet social network forums and Internet belongs to the media. 

 

Do you have a scientific proof in numbers that proves half of tumblr accounts are owned by teens?

How can you judge this person who posted this is a teenager?

Edited September 10, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[Nobodysfan]

 I guess I can understand though, that if you've watched the show for a decade plus and you've fallen in love with various pairings, that within those pairings you'd want to at some point see a bit more of the other partner's point of view especially a pairing that you've watched for a decade. 

My point of view exactly.

[maasa]

Do you have a scientific proof in numbers that proves half of tumblr accounts are owned by teens?

I don't and I don't see why I would need it. I posted that the post SOUNDED like teen having a tantrum and that half of tumblr does. Its an opinion and therefore does not require any proof since I am in no way stating it as fact. And really, does any post on a forum about a tv show require scientific proof. Its entertainment, not rocket science (my opinion).

 

How can you judge this person who posted this is a teenager?

See above reply, it was my opinion that the person came across as an immature young woman.  The post was done publicly and posted here by you, leaving it open to being evaluated by others.

 

Believe it or not people are allowed to have opinions that differ from yours. Don't worry, I won't reply to you anymore. You can pick your fights with others when their opinion doesn't match yours.

 

Back to mainstream media: People is reporting that Martin Henderson begins filming next week - http://www.people.com/article/martin-henderson-has-his-mc-nickname-picked-greys-anatomy

 

Cast reveal their favorite couples - http://www.ew.com/article/2015/09/10/shondaland-casts-shipping-shonda-rhimes

 

Debbie Allen interview on variety.com - https://variety.com/2015/tv/features/debbie-allen-greys-director-anatomy-executive-producer-season-12-1201585698/

Edited September 10, 2015 by maasa

[Nobodysfan]

Thank you for the links Maasa. 

[windsprints]

If I have the episodes right (good chance I do not!) Martin's character will arrive right after the 250th episode. I'm getting curious to see who he plays and what brings him to SGM. 

[represent]

 

Now, it seems like Shonda (or whoever) wants to get the idea of I AM WOMAN across more than she wants to have characters act organically.  And that is a huge problem for me and it makes for both a disappointing character and a watering down of whatever message she is trying to get across.

 

 

 

My problem is that she doesn't do it very well anymore.

 

Yeah, I think she's had a problem with execution for me at least since the end of season two.

 

And speaking of organically, her infamous monologues drive me insane, no, just no, for any and ALL characters. Sometimes they work like Cristina staring lifelessly in the bathtub, Owen bathing her and she retelling details of the plane crash and Lexie's corpse and drinking her own urine to survive. That monologue  worked for me. But Cristina's monologue in season four to Adele and Chief Webber when they all had to sign that paper as to whom they had relationships with etc. and she went on and on about how she was feeling being screwed over by Burke, ugh, that was a fail. And Shonda needs to know when a monologue just doesn't work. Neither did the one to Owen about her relationship with Burke, that one definitely should have been a conversation, where one person speaks, the other listens, and then responds with words of acknowledgement or attempt at understanding and so on..... Not one person rambles on and on with tears in their eyes and the other just stares then fade to black end of story, ugh. Stop it, it's all lazy writing IMO.

Edited September 10, 2015 by represent

[noname1]

They gave him this exact message through media F...y.... Dempsey or Derek, reading between the lines of what they said and how they wrote Derek off and then sweeping the floor after him abruptly, it is there,just not literally written. JMHO

 

Anyway, we agree to disagree. 

 

I see Derek/MerDer fans have left this forum. It is understandable as I witness here.  

I am a since day 1 Mer/Der fan I am still here and I am not hateing on the currecnt cast for any comments made.

[Nobodysfan]

Again it's not about Pompeo wanting to be the star,  but it's the reality that the creator created the show with her being the star.  There is no doubt based on countless interviews that Meredith Grey is the star in and of Grey's Anatomy.  And I'm no cheerleader for that, but it's reality. You keep saying she wants to be, and maybe that because like me, you never thought of her as the star because you never connected with the character, I don't know. I know that's why I never felt like she was the star, but what I feel and what I know are two very different things in this case.  When you say she wants to be the star it sounds like Pompeo has had to claw her way and step over others to do so and this is where we disagree because the "preordained" lead and star of a show doesn't need to do that whether viewers like him/her or not. The creator has presented the show to the audience, right from the very beginning with this actor/actress as the star of the show. They don't have to want to or fight for a position they already have. 

 

In terms of equality, for me equality means that both men and women get the same chance at the same opportunities if they work hard enough for it. It means they get paid the same for the same work. It also means that women don't get judged and crucified negatively for any of their life/career choices they make, as long as their not breaking any laws. Being a stay at home mother should be equally applauded as the woman who want to focus on her career and not have children, as well as all the other choices in between that women make for themselves. This is truly what feminism is IMO. And I still think our society/culture overall,both men and women, still have a ways to go in understanding  and embracing this concept.

 

So in terms of women being leads and men taking the backseat when it comes to the field of entertainment I have no issue with it. Why?  Because there was a time when there were no female leads, let alone roles for actors/actresses in other minority groups.  Sometimes I appreciate the fantasy that is presented to me on screen, but other times I want the world in which I live in to be reflected on that screen and for many years Hollywood was failing miserably on that front. They've gotten better, but they need to keep pushing forward because there's still work to be done.  

 

I feel that this is what Shonda is trying to do, even out the playing field. As much as she pisses me off, her daring not to give me what I wanted for my character LOL, I definitely support what she is trying to do overall when it comes to television and how women are portrayed. Maybe she doesn't get it right, maybe she does for some, but I get what she has been attempting to do and it's striving for equality as far as I am concerned. If this show doesn't have men being more at the center in terms of story line I wouldn't call it an example of inequality because it's just not happening widespread across the field of entertainment. This is a drama in which the creator wanted the story lines to be told from the women's points of view.  I guess I can understand though, that if you've watched the show for a decade plus and you've fallen in love with various pairings, that within those pairings you'd want to at some point see a bit more of the other partner's point of view especially a pairing that you've watched for a decade. 

You know, I don´t know who is right anymore. Is it Dempsey or the duo Pompeo/Shonda? Where lies THE truth?! 

I do question why it is so important to me, but what I believe in is the honest unscrupulous truth. Everybody of the three has their own truth,and fans tend to lean on to sb´s truth.

But where is the objective truth? I guess will never know for sure.

You are more forgiving than me for sure. I feel let down as a fan in so many ways so whatever Rhimes strives for leaves me numb as a result. In a way it is liberating. I´d rather root for a couple than a woman or man being the lead.  I guess I haven´t chosen the right show to watch.

 

I am a since day 1 Mer/Der fan I am still here and I am not hateing on the currecnt cast for any comments made.

 

 

That´s good for you that you can still enjoy the show and post here.  I know some did leave.

Edited September 10, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[noname1]

Where should I put the link then? I will gladly accept your advice if you think this is not the right thread.

I believe Tumblr as Twitter are part of the Internet social network forums and Internet belongs to the media. 

 

Do you have a scientific proof in numbers that proves half of tumblr accounts are owned by teens?

How can you judge this person who posted this is a teenager?

Gravedancer was a former fanfic writer -all mer/der all the time I believe she and her writing partner also stepped into Ellen and Patrick fanfic, like cheating on thier spouses fanfic. She may not be a teen but has been obsessed with this pairing for years and years now. i recall reading their stuff back in the abc forums and greys fansites years and years ago.

I loved that couple was a fan of them from the start and hate how the his last episode was written but I'm not offended by these new Ellen interviews at all. The cast is moving forward as they should and as patrick has.

Edited September 10, 2015 by noname1

[Nobodysfan]

Gravedancer was a former fanfic writer -all mer/der all the time I believe she and her writing partner also stepped into Ellen and Patrick fanfic, like cheating on thier spouses fanfic. She may not be a teen but has been obsessed with this pairing for years and years now. i recall reading their stuff back in the abc forums and greys fansites years and years ago.

I loved that couple was a fan of them from the start and hate how the his last episode was written but I'm not offended by these new Ellen interviews at all. The cast is moving forward as they should and as patrick has.

Oh, so you know this person who posted it. Thanks for the info. 

But why write a fanfic about the actors cheating on their spouses???!!!! 

 

If I were unbiased like you, I wish so.

Edited September 10, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[pennben]

 

I believe she and her writing partner also stepped into Ellen and Patrick fanfic, like cheating on thier spouses fanfic.

 

Well, that is just creepy as hell, what possesses folks to cross that line? Like those tweeting awful things to Ellen/Shonda and other cast members, on what planet is that considered okay.  I get venting about things you don't like on the show, I guess I can see tweeting an actor/show runner to say you didn't like what happened.  I will never understand hurling vitriol and personal insults at them; and I sure as hell can't comprehend writing fanfic about real life actors (as opposed to characters).  Yeesh!

Edited September 10, 2015 by pennben

[noname1]

I can't imagine being as invested as she and her writing partner are or were. when I read her name here and saw the tumblr post I wasn't surprised that she reacted to the recent interviews in that way.

[pennben]

n/m

Edited September 11, 2015 by pennben

[BizBuzz]

Hey ya'll!

 

This is an unofficial note from your friendly neighborhood mod that leads Grey's Anatomy.

 

As some of the chatting in here was discussing whether or not Tumblr is considered media, the consensus is that we do not consider Tumblr media since it's platform is basically a reblog machine.

 

If you can find the source material that Tumblr is quoting, use it instead.  Tumblr is not really 'media' as we use it on the site (i.e. media mentions -- news, rumors, etc).

 

Carry on ...

[windsprints]

Grey's Anatomy snags Joey Lauren Adams for season 12 premiere

 

[Chas411]

How is her premiere appearance only being announced now? They filmed that weeks ago..

[Bort]

Nobody cared? Because honestly, I don't really consider that much of a "snag."

[Deanie87]

Not sure what will be more annoying, her voice or Bailey's entitled attitude.

[Mama No Life]

Obviously, but this is not what I meant. What I meant is that she wants to be the star of the show and now with Dempsey gone she hopes and wants to become one and there isn´t Dempsey to hinder it. JMO

 

Anyway, it doesn´t matter anymore. Patrick is off racing happily and Pompeo is happy posing solo on magazine covers. Both got what they wanted.

Yes, but I didn't get what I want. 

[Nobodysfan]

Yes, but I didn't get what I want. 

I take it you are or were a MerDer fan,right?

 

I do feel sorry for you, you watched loyally for 11 seasons, I understand your pain and disappointment as their fan, because I believe MerDer love was honest and that Derek was a good loving husband to Meredith,yes he had his faults, but he loved her. He was tempted to cheat but got back to Meredith and kids at cosmic speed. You see I was a Crowen fan,but it took me some time to see the true colours of Owen and he never truly loved Cristina, so imagine my disappointment, I think we are equally disappointed.

Edited September 14, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[Mama No Life]

Yes I'm disappointed.  Meredith is too much to handle on her own....Derek balanced her out and made her likeable.  Can't do it without him there to soften her.

 

I am not sure Owen never loved Xtina....just someone sitting around a table changed their mind after a while....

[windsprints]

TV Guide Article scan - http://calzona-ga.tumblr.com/post/129226575480/tv-guide-magazine-greys-anatomy

[Nobodysfan]

Yes I'm disappointed.  Meredith is too much to handle on her own....Derek balanced her out and made her likeable.  Can't do it without him there to soften her.

 

I am not sure Owen never loved Xtina....just someone sitting around a table changed their mind after a while....

I agree with both comments.

Derek balanced out Meredith and Cristina balanced out Owen.Would you agree? Owen and Meredith are not likeable on their own as characters or if paired romantically with anyone else, at least for me. 

 

Haha,this is bittersweet. I don´t know whether to laugh or cry. True indeed.

 

Mama no life, we have to buckle up,there are always nice scenes to rewatch when everything made sense,plus Sandra and Patrick are off doing better things. I do believe they are gifted enough to keep this experience on Greys a nice memory.

Some salt for the wounds, at least for me:)

Edited September 16, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[BaseOps]

TV Guide Article scan - http://calzona-ga.tumblr.com/post/129226575480/tv-guide-magazine-greys-anatomy

 

"She's got Derek's sister, who she can't get rid of because it's Derek's sister," Rhimes says with a laugh. 

 

That made me laugh. She makes it sound like Meredith can't stand Amelia. Hey Mer... the feeling's mutual ;) 

[windsprints]

"She's got Derek's sister, who she can't get rid of because it's Derek's sister," Rhimes says with a laugh. 

 

That made me laugh. She makes it sound like Meredith can't stand Amelia. Hey Mer... the feeling's mutual ;) 

LOL but of course in Grey's world that means they have to live together, no Amelia maintaining a relationship with them but living in her own place.

 

Promo will first air on GMA tomorrow at 7am: https://twitter.com/GreysABC/status/644227886988271617

[Greysaddict]

Promo will first air on GMA tomorrow at 7am: https://twitter.com/GreysABC/status/644227886988271617

ha, this is kinda of funny because Patrick Dempsey is scheduled to be on tomorrow talking about his new movie role (so they say...I am sure he will be asked about GA).

 

I am very excited to see this promo though!  8 more days!

Edited September 16, 2015 by Greysaddict

[maasa]

ha, this is kinda of funny because Patrick Dempsey is scheduled to be on tomorrow talking about his new movie role (so they say...I am sure he will be asked about GA).

 

I am very excited to see this promo though!  8 more days!

 

I wish the media would just stop trying to create constant controversy. The promo a week before the premiere makes sense but they could have scheduled Dempsey a day before or after.

 

Its my understanding that publicists approve the content ahead of time for appearances on shows like this so I don't think he will be asked about Grey's unless he wants to answer the questions. Its not like the publicity doesn't go both ways. He will get just as much, if not more, publicity for himself from this appearance as the show will so its possible he's glad to be on the day the promo appears.

Edited September 16, 2015 by maasa

[Greysaddict]

I wish the media would just stop trying to create constant controversy. The promo a week before the premiere makes sense but they could have scheduled Dempsey a day before or after.

I think it's just coincidence and don't think it has anything to with controversy.  I was merely pointing out the irony.  It makes tons of sense to air the promo a week before the premiere.  I doubt the GMA guest scheduling department knew anything about the promo when they scheduled PD's appearance.  

[windsprints]

I'm sure PD's publicist(s) was well aware of the proximity of the GA premiere when PD was booked on GMA. 

 

I'm hoping once the season begins the show can move forward for good. 

[Mama No Life]

I agree with both comments.

Derek balanced out Meredith and Cristina balanced out Owen.Would you agree? Owen and Meredith are not likeable on their own as characters or if paired romantically with anyone else, at least for me. 

 

Haha,this is bittersweet. I don´t know whether to laugh or cry. True indeed.

 

Mama no life, we have to buckle up,there are always nice scenes to rewatch when everything made sense,plus Sandra and Patrick are off doing better things. I do believe they are gifted enough to keep this experience on Greys a nice memory.

Some salt for the wounds, at least for me:)

Works for me...all I have left now is reruns anyway. :)

[BaseOps]

New EW interview with Ellen Pompeo. No new info really, but it's a nice little interview. 

 

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/09/17/greys-anatomy-ellen-pompeo-season-12-spoilers

[windsprints]

EW: Twitter announces fall's most tweeted shows

This year’s top spot goes to Grey’s Anatomy (which ranked 6th last year) with 2.2 million tweets. For a show entering its 12th season, that’s a pretty astounding feat, likely attributed to the resounding shock from Patrick Dempsey’s exit last spring and its effects on the new season.

Probably good for ABC in terms of publicity.

No new info really, but it's a nice little interview.

It is a nice interview.  I can see why she's happy to have some new material. She had so many similar stories repeated over and over with both Derek and Cristina for 10-11 years.

 

ETA: It seems that PD wasn't even on GMA afterall. From what I read he was traveling to Texas so his schedule likely had a conflict.

Edited September 17, 2015 by windsprints