Spoilers and Spoiler Speculation: Benchmarking

[funnygirl]

 

Unfortunately, Greys doesn't do those kinds of recurring characters anymore. We used to have Joe the Bartender, nurses, Tyler etc. It made for a more realistic hospital.

It's a shame, because those recurring characters added a nice touch to the show. I wish Grey's would bring that back as opposed to feeling the need to make everyone a series regular.

[Bort]

It's a shame, because those recurring characters added a nice touch to the show. I wish Grey's would bring that back as opposed to feeling the need to make everyone a series regular.

That's not really the show's fault if the recurring actors move on to other projects and become unavailable. That's why they're quick to make them into regulars these days, so that doesn't happen.

[Marni]

She was annoyingly perky but funny and a good doctor. There was an episode where she is teaching Cristina and Cris disagrees with her and goes behind her back to Burke and later gets reamed out by both Stdney and Burke for her arrogance, as an intern no less.

Unfortunately, Greys doesn't do those kinds of recurring characters anymore. We used to have Joe the Bartender, nurses, Tyler etc. It made for a more realistic hospital.

Greys used to also show consequences for extreme arrogance. It doesn't do that much anymore either.

Anyway, Sydney was annoying but funny and a nice foil for the other doctors. I wish they would bring some of these characters back.

I agree the hospital used to feel like a big place that we were just seeing a part of. There was even occasional people from other departments like that psych intern and nurses like Olivia. It gave to more nuance to see how the different groups in the hospital coexisted and the tension between them like the surgeons and nurses. It was a good way to highlight how arrogant the surgeons could be and call them out on it a bit. 

 

Now it seems like the entire hospital is just this group of surgeons and surgeons are treating non surgical cases. i think it makes it feel less realistic this way because the world the show exists in feels so small, sort of soap opera like. 

[Nobodysfan]

I agree the hospital used to feel like a big place that we were just seeing a part of. There was even occasional people from other departments like that psych intern and nurses like Olivia. It gave to more nuance to see how the different groups in the hospital coexisted and the tension between them like the surgeons and nurses. It was a good way to highlight how arrogant the surgeons could be and call them out on it a bit. 

 

Now it seems like the entire hospital is just this group of surgeons and surgeons are treating non surgical cases. i think it makes it feel less realistic this way because the world the show exists in feels so small, sort of soap opera like. 

 

Exactly,like for instance Amelia has been almost on every case there is this season - neuro,cardio, ortho, general medicine whatever you wish, there are no other recurring specialist doctors, she is there for everybody,and of course trauma,because she is  a "superhero", it´s all so boring and nurses are numb in this hospital as a rule.

 

Hard to invest in any characters for next season.  The show has no quality of writing. Some actors are capable of giving a solid performance if they are given an opportunity but that happens once or twice per season. From season 6 the show has been steadily going down the hill. 

 

And Meredith´s love interest is knocking on the door,it´s either the new doc they are casting or the new intern who has Derek´s hair. All so boring and so predictable.

 

Also,I don´t see the purpose of Maggie and Amelia on this show either,Meredith has three children already, she doesn´t need two more.

 

Poor  Richard, what will that devil Catherine do to him?But he married her on his own will,didn´t he? 

 

Just a couple of episodes into S12 and most likely Jackson will cheat on April.

 

Hopefully we won´t see another love-making scene between Bailey and Ben, this couple is out of any reality there is,just Shonda daydreaming she is Bailey and she is making out with the actor.

 

Omelette - what will we see?Most likely both looking miserable, having hissy tantrums one at a time.

 

Jolex - the only interesting couple for S12,but writers will destroy them,too.

 

Calzona will be friends with benefits,most likely.

 

Who else?The insufferable Stephanie,well,nobody cares, Maggie - she was such a promising character,if she becomes a lesbian that would at least be a bit shocking.

Edited June 3, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[windsprints]

Now it seems like the entire hospital is just this group of surgeons and surgeons are treating non surgical cases. i think it makes it feel less realistic this way because the world the show exists in feels so small, sort of soap opera like.

 

I agree. I'd love to see an occasional recurring doctor in the ER, social services or anywhere. Some familiar faced extras we see milling about. They wouldn't need storyline.  The only one I can think of that is around now is Bohkie.  

 

Sides usually come out right after July 4th and filming for next season starts July 22 (KMK tweeted it). I doubt we'll have many spoilers before then except for many casting.

 

Anyone up for a wish list thread for next season, things that you would like to see next season (instead of everything that is hated)?

Edited June 3, 2015 by windsprints

[Kagomei]

 

Anyone up for a wish list thread for next season, things that you would like to see next season (instead of everything that is hated)?

I am, windsprints.

[Nobodysfan]

I´d really like to know what is going on in Shonda´s mind when planning the new season. I guess just wishful thinking.

 

I wonder if the new guy becomes the chief,then really McKidd might be leaving after S12. Owen stepping down as the chief might be a kind of sign. Unless he goes back to stabbing pigs, or doing some experimental trauma surgeries,I don´t see his purpose on the show, because yet another season gone and he is still childless. It worries me that Shonda will most likely want to make Amelia a mother so she will have to use Owen´s sperms for that.

Edited June 17, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[Marni]

Jerrika Hinton says Stephanie is going to be chief resident next season in this interview.

 

 

“Now, you get to see her as chief resident. You get to see her following in the footsteps of a huge Grey tradition. That’s a huge honor to become a part of that tradition and not only that, but to flip it and make it individually yours. She’s coming up with her own thing.”

http://www.vibe.com/2015/05/jerrika-hinton-greys-anatomy-interview/

[BaseOps]

Jerrika Hinton says Stephanie is going to be chief resident next season in this interview.

 

http://www.vibe.com/2015/05/jerrika-hinton-greys-anatomy-interview/

 

"I'm so excited for this!" said no one. 

[jaytee1812]

"I'm so excited for this!" said no one.

Speak for yourself. I'm looking forward to it.

[Nobodysfan]

"I'm so excited for this!" said no one. 

 

I agree. She is a useless character.  And the actress´s behaviour doesn´t help her character either, I have seen one of her instagram photos and she poses with a sort of bowl of some surgical equipment (some blue cloth) placed like a penis between her legs stretched out saying I quote her "It´s a dick in a bowl."

 

NO COMMENT except how old is she?!?

Edited June 24, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[BaseOps]

I agree. She is a useless character.  And the actress´s behaviour doesn´t help her character either, I have seen one of her instagram photos and she poses with a sort of bowl of some surgical equipment (some blue cloth) placed like a penis between her legs stretched out saying I quote her "It´s a dick in a bowl."

 

NO COMMENT except how old is she?!?

 

I don't use Instagram and only following a handful of the cast on Twitter, so I've got nothing at all against the actress - but Stef is easily the most useless character to ever appear on the show. It's not even that I dislike her really... it's literally that she just eats up screen time. She has no unique personality traits, no background that we know of, not a single interesting relationship or tie to anyone else in the cast. I just don't get how she's stuck around for so long. The writers just keep shoehorning her into other peoples' stories. With Amelia I genuinely dislike the character, think she's horridly written and acted.. with Stef it's like she's just THERE. Hearing that she'll be chief resident is just totally unexciting to me. 

[Nobodysfan]

 Stef is easily the most useless character to ever appear on the show. It's not even that I dislike her really... it's literally that she just eats up screen time. She has no unique personality traits, no background that we know of, not a single interesting relationship or tie to anyone else in the cast. I just don't get how she's stuck around for so long. The writers just keep shoehorning her into other peoples' stories. With Amelia I genuinely dislike the character, think she's horridly written and acted.. with Stef it's like she's just THERE. Hearing that she'll be chief resident is just totally unexciting to me. 

 

ITA. Well-written. 

 

BaseOps, what´s your take on Maggie??? Please do drop a few lines. Thanks. I´m totally disappointed with her, for the chief of cardio I expected a character ala Dr. Corday from ER or Dr Austin from Chicago Hope.

Edited June 24, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[BaseOps]

ITA. Well-written. 

 

BaseOps, what´s your take on Maggie??? Please do drop a few lines. Thanks.

 

I disliked the idea of her at first - I think it may be the actress who changed my mind. I actually really enjoy her interactions with other cast members (Alex, Meredith, Richard, etc.) I wish they had focused more on Maggie than Amelia in S11. I think it would have been a much stronger season with more emphasis on Maggie's relationships with Richard and Meredith. Instead, it became the Amelia show - she's a weaker character and weaker actress, and the show suffered because of it (for me, anyway.) There's a lot they just left unexplored and I think it may have had to do with the jumbled stories once they decided to write Derek off. 

[Nobodysfan]

I disliked the idea of her at first - I think it may be the actress who changed my mind. I actually really enjoy her interactions with other cast members (Alex, Meredith, Richard, etc.) I wish they had focused more on Maggie than Amelia in S11. I think it would have been a much stronger season with more emphasis on Maggie's relationships with Richard and Meredith. Instead, it became the Amelia show - she's a weaker character and weaker actress, and the show suffered because of it (for me, anyway.) There's a lot they just left unexplored and I think it may have had to do with the jumbled stories once they decided to write Derek off. 

 

Yes, the actress is really talented, but the character is not what I expected her to be. We´ll see what will change in S12. I would like her to be more professional and mature. Yes, it has become Amelia show, what a waste of season indeed. They have got a talented actress  - McCreary,yet they prefer a less talented one - Scorsone. Figure this out. Impossible.

Edited June 24, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[represent]

 

Jerrika Hinton says Stephanie is going to be chief resident next season in this interview.

 

http://www.vibe.com/...tomy-interview/

 

"I'm so excited for this!" said no one.

I don't know how excited I  am but she is seriously underused. She's a good actress as far as I'm concerned and I'm still interested in her story.

It's a Amelia and April who I don't care to see whatsoever. They must feel they need a Sheppard ( I think I've misspelled the name, but  I  don't care.) I've never cared about Derek Sheppard, nor Meredith and Derek for the ten years that I was fully devoted to the show so...Meredith was married to him and had his children shouldn't that be enough, do they really need someone with that last name on the canvas?

 

Owen can keep on pining for Cristina and returning to war until he goes to join Cristina again when this series is over, she's well worth it as far as I'm concerned. How in the hell  is going to go from Yang to Amelia? Really, unless keeping her off drugs is what is going to feed his savior complex, until he recognizes that's all it is. Hopefully, he recognizes it before he knocks her up, ugh.

 

More Stephanie and I'm tired of the head of Cardiology always crying like a nine year old girl, please make it stop. I kind of like her, I'm interested, please stop ruining it for me.

[represent]

Oh and I don't really care for the Avery's especially Catherine although I guess I'm happy for the chief. I think I am, but I hope DA stays more behind the camera, she's always bugged me a bit. She and her sister, bug me. Although, I think I like her sisters acting chops a bit more than Debbie's.

[Eolivet]

I'm glad to see Stephanie get Chief Resident. I find her flawed, but interesting. I liked the moment where she collapsed in the middle of Herman's surgery -- it reminded me of oldskool Grey's: the surgical towel, George and 007, etc. Not a dumbass mistake like the intern who removed the pregnant woman's neck collar (dumbass!), but a "Wow, I didn't realize how much I'm in over my head" mistake. She's also had some good moments with the senior surgeons.

 

I guess she feels "real" to me in a way Jo ("I lived in my car. Let me tell you I lived in my car. Did I mention I lived in my car?") doesn't.

[funnygirl]

So when season 12 starts, the "interns" will then be starting their 5th year? 

Season 9: year 1

Season 10: year 2

Season 11: year 3

One Year time jump 11x22 - 11x24: year 4

 

Well I hope the show slows time like they did season 1 - 3 (equaling 1 year), or else Jo and Stephanie and Ben will be Attendings come season 13. Womp womp. 

 

 

There's a lot they just left unexplored and I think it may have had to do with the jumbled stories once they decided to write Derek off.

My biggest beef with season 11 and the time jump. I get not wanting to dwell on Derek's passing, but it jumped over so many storylines/storyline potential that bringing it back up after a year has passed seems unfitting. For instance: we never got to see Maggie and Richard really develop a relationship. But now that a year has passed, I think we can assume that they've been slowly bonding. It's just so ridiculous because earlier in the season they made a big deal of Maggie being the "other sister" and who her parentage was, so much so that she even went off on Richard for reasons I don't care to remember, and now we blink and they get along and everything's just dandy. 

 

This show and it's missed opportunities are a real drag. Here's hoping the writers can do better in season 12. 

[Greysaddict]

My biggest beef with season 11 and the time jump. I get not wanting to dwell on Derek's passing, but it jumped over so many storylines/storyline potential that bringing it back up after a year has passed seems unfitting.

Yes to this!!  This is a huge issue with the time jump.  But I suspect we will still a lot of stagnant storylines from S11 (like the Maggie/Richard relationship, Alex/Jo) that probably would have occurred during the time jump...just like how we had to see Amelia lash out at Meredith over a year later.  

 

Jerrika Hinton says Stephanie is going to be chief resident next season in this interview.

 

http://www.vibe.com/2015/05/jerrika-hinton-greys-anatomy-interview/

I am curious how she knows this already and wonder if it was actually something that was cut from S11.  It still seems clear to me they had to abandon a bunch of planned storylines to write in Derek's death so this could be one of those...although her and Jo]were only third year residents before the time jump so maybe not.  

[Nobodysfan]

Can we rule out a possible romance for Alex and Meredith? Would it feel weird? If done with a proper story,it might show true friendship turn into romantic love. Something like Monica and Chandler on Friends.

Or  the new man is for Meredith.

 

I think one of the key questions for S12.

Edited July 1, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[BaseOps]

Can we rule out a possible romance for Alex and Meredith? Would it feel weird? If done with a proper story,it might show true friendship turn into romantic love. Something like Monica and Chandler on Friends.

Or  the new man is for Meredith.

 

I think one of the key questions for S12.

 

I think if they were going to do that they probably would have written Jo off at the end of S11. 

Edited July 2, 2015 by BaseOps

[windsprints]

Alex and Meredith would be as bad as Gizzie was for me. I hope they never, ever go there.

[BaseOps]

Alex and Meredith would be as bad as Gizzie was for me. I hope they never, ever go there.

 

I was really hoping they were going to write Jo off at the end of S11 and go with Alex / Maggie but it looks like that's obviously not the case. Alex is one of my favourite characters, and he's been so boring the past few years. Jo just does him no justice, they're so bland together. I maybe wouldn't mind her so much with someone else, but Alex / Jo is just uninteresting to me. Still, I like Meredith and Alex too much as friends that I don't want to see it turn into anything sexual at this point. 

Edited July 2, 2015 by BaseOps

[Deanie87]

I would have been okay with a Meredith/Alex pairing after Izzie left, but not anymore. Seeing how dismissive Meredith was a friend, I can't even imagine how much worse it would be if they were in a relationship. It would be ALL about Meredith, even worse than it was with Alex/Izzie. Jo may be an ignored 2-dimensional character at this point, but I never doubt her love for him and Alex doesn't usually become an after thought in the relationship. That would probably not be the case if they paired him up with any other woman on the show at this point.

Speaking of season 11 Alex, ugh. I need him to get his edge back. He has become waaayy too nice and accommodating. I don't want him to revert to season 2 levels of assholery, but he has no one to spar with now that Cristina is gone. He bends over backward to help Meredith while she insults and demeans his long-time girlfriend, he is happily doling out the compliements to Maggie (!) and generally smiling blandly as his new pals bitch about their relationships and female hygiene. I need him to start calling Mer out on her rudeness, and generally snarking on his friends when they act ridiculous. The writers are so intent on recreating some of the past, great relationships that maybe they can write something for Alex and Callie that echoes his great dynamic with Cristina. The last two episodes were a little better, what with his calling Meredith a tool and blowing up at Jo because he is afraid of her leaving and reverts to form by lashing out. I love his growth, and I don't want him to be a total dickbag all of the time, but I hardly recognized him this past season. And its not his relationship with Jo because that barely existed and I still loved him in seasons 9-10.

In fact he was so un-Karev like that I had to do the unthinkable...I had to start seeing other tv boyfriends. Sure, I've flirted with others before (Coach Taylor, we will always have Dillon, you too Riggs. Stay Gold Jesse Pinkman!) But I never stepped out the way I have now. Its not me its him. He is the thing that I never thought he could be, generic. He has always stood out apart from the other men on Grey's, for better or worse, because of his snark and jackassiness. This season he could have been any other "dreamy guy with issues" on the show. Why, I may as well fall in fictional love with Derek or Jackson. The horror! Thats not what I signed on for.

Therefore, I am now spending my free time obsessing about Captain Jackson from Ripper Street, who is a doctor but also a whoring, cheating, lying, funny alcoholic with a jaunty hat. Alex Karev can no longer provide me with the dysfunctional, smart-ass, self-loathing, own-worst-enemy, reformed manwhore that I need in my entertainment life but would never considering long term in my real life. I am hoping against hope that season 11 was just some kind of horrible fluke due to a perfect shitstorm of backstage disasters, because we did have 10 mostly great seasons together. C'mon writers, get it the fuck together. Give me my Evil Spawn back so that he and I can work it out and get the magic back. There is no reason why I can't spend most of my time in Seattle, with the occasional 8 episode jaunt to Victorian London. It will make me a better fictional TV girlfriend, I swear!

Edited July 3, 2015 by Deanie87

[cycworker]

I have NEVER liked Jo, and i'd love to see Alex with Maggie.

 

I want Callie/Arizona back together. I'm intrigued by what happened between Jackson & April in the finale. Ultimately I want them together, too. I loved seeing Arizona comforting April; she really DOES know what April's going through. A parallel between these two couples is far more sensible than the idea they had of paralleling the Calzona journey & the MerDer one. Even Callie/ Meredith... it was always a stretch to me. 

 

I like Stephanie. I hope they continue to use her character. 

 

I like Ben & Bailey as characters, but I have minimal investment in them romantically. 

I love Webber & Catherine.

 

I have very, very mixed feelings about Owen/Amelia. I actually find myself wanting to like it, but I can't bring myself to invest, because Owen has been so ruined. It drives me nuts that they try to portray him as a good guy, when his is clearly NOT a good guy. 

 

I love Amelia/Caterina S. 

[Greysaddict]

I think they start shooting season 12 on Wednesday.  Has anyone seen any sides for episode 1?

[windsprints]

I don't think they've been released yet. Going by cast comments I believe that there are actor/writer meetings this week and filming starts back up on 7/22. So, I think the sides will be out sometime this week as they're usually about a week before filming.

[Nobodysfan]

Pompeo tweeted today they have table read this week and start filming the next, McKidd is directing 1201,and he tweeted going back to work today, most likely only the crew to prep. I guess if they start filming next Monday 20th,then table read must be around Wednesday. The sides must be out either today or tomorrow. If anyone is able to post sides summary, it would be much appreciated.

[Nobodysfan]

Forever wondering why Owen can´t live his life with the love of his life - with Cristina without kids. Why wasn´t she enough for him?Will I ever get the answer?

 

Instead he lets her go. To me he has never truly loved her.

 

Why pursue another  woman just to have kids with her when he claims he will forever be in love with Cristina and never love another woman? How can you have kids and not love their mother/your wife???

 

Owen is the most f.....d up character on the show, the damage which the writers did to him is irreversible. (Sorry for the language, but it is as bad as the word is)

Edited July 14, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[BaseOps]

Forever wondering why Owen can´t live his life with the love of his life - with Cristina without kids. Why wasn´t she enough for him?Will I ever get the answer?

 

Instead he lets her go. To me he has never truly loved her.

 

Why pursue another  woman just to have kids with her when he claims he will forever be in love with Cristina and never love another woman? How can you have kids and not love their mother/your wife???

 

Owen is the most f.....d up character on the show, the damage which the writers did to him is irreversible. (Sorry for the language, but it is as bad as the word is)

 

We kind of discussed this in another thread but you've made some different points here. Yea, Owen is f****d up, but the issue of him and Cristina isn't so black or white. He knew in the long run he would never be fulfilled without kids. Just like it was her right to not want them, it's his right to say he DOES want and need them. Many woman break up with men because they don't want children; so Owen choosing not to live his life with Cristina also makes sense to me. This show has come up with 1,000,000 stupid, forced reasons to break up couples - but Owen's wanting children always struck me as a good one. It's in his characters DNA. There's nothing to explain... he wants kids, she does not. That would always be an issue for them, even if he loved her. 

[Nobodysfan]

That´s true, he would always resent her for not wanting kids. He cheated on her just to get revenge over the pain she caused him with the abortion. Most likely he would cheat on her again.

 

Sandra said that 1017 gave her a full closure with Owen so to say, when she saw how in the long run they would never work out, but I am not sure 1017 is as valid as a reason might be.

 

Though it is interesting once McKidd said after Sandra announced leaving (so once Cristina is not there anymore) that Owen will go on with his life (predicting the future storyline) and one day Cristina will come back and Kevin said  I quote :"I feel like, she will come back in a few years, she will go away and Owen will do his thing.He´ll think he´s happy but suddenly she´ll walk through the doors one day and he´ll go oh, s..t, now I am going to have to divorce my wife that I married now and it will explode my whole life because you´re the one."

What a weird thing to say or no? Why marry another woman at all?  But it has been well-established that Owen is a cheater, so most likely he would be ready to cheat on his future wife with Cristina once she comes back. 

 

Why on earth did Rhimes even introduce a man like Owen family-oriented when she knew all along in the long run he would be incompatible with Cristina just like Burke was in the end? Why even bother starting another love interest for Cristina in S5? Wasted time and effort on all sides.

 

I realise I tend to come back to things like a broken record, but this Owen demolition honestly bugs me. Or maybe the man we saw in S5 was a mask and only now after layers have been peeled off, we see the real Owen -  a liar and cheater. I have always found it interesting now when looking back at him and Beth,the cruel way he broke up with her and still engaged to her he kissed Cristina. 

 

I do really need an honest male character on this show, sb you can invest in. I honestly liked Derek, I´m not a fan of Alex,so it can´t be him,maybe this new guy who comes this season.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[Eolivet]

Though it is interesting once McKidd said after Sandra announced leaving (so once Cristina is not there anymore) that Owen will go on with his life (predicting the future storyline) and one day Cristina will come back and Kevin said  I quote :"I feel like, she will come back in a few years, she will go away and Owen will do his thing.He´ll think he´s happy but suddenly she´ll walk through the doors one day and he´ll go oh, s..t, now I am going to have to divorce my wife that I married now and it will explode my whole life because you´re the one."

 

Ugh. I hated that idea the first time, when it was called the "How I Met Your Mother" finale.

[CED9]

That´s true, he would always resent her for not wanting kids. He cheated on her just to get revenge over the pain she caused him with the abortion. Most likely he would cheat on her again.

Sandra said that 1017 gave her a full closure with Owen so to say, when she saw how in the long run they would never work out, but I am not sure 1017 is as valid as a reason might be.

Though it is interesting once McKidd said after Sandra announced leaving (so once Cristina is not there anymore) that Owen will go on with his life (predicting the future storyline) and one day Cristina will come back and Kevin said I quote :"I feel like, she will come back in a few years, she will go away and Owen will do his thing.He´ll think he´s happy but suddenly she´ll walk through the doors one day and he´ll go oh, s..t, now I am going to have to divorce my wife that I married now and it will explode my whole life because you´re the one."

What a weird thing to say or no? Why marry another woman at all? But it has been well-established that Owen is a cheater, so most likely he would be ready to cheat on his future wife with Cristina once she comes back.

Why on earth did Rhimes even introduce a man like Owen family-oriented when she knew all along in the long run he would be incompatible with Cristina just like Burke was in the end? Why even bother starting another love interest for Cristina in S5? Wasted time and effort on all sides.

I realise I tend to come back to things like a broken record, but this Owen demolition honestly bugs me. Or maybe the man we saw in S5 was a mask and only now after layers have been peeled off, we see the real Owen - a liar and cheater. I have always found it interesting now when looking back at him and Beth,the cruel way he broke up with her and still engaged to her he kissed Cristina.

I do really need an honest male character on this show, sb you can invest in. I honestly liked Derek, I´m not a fan of Alex,so it can´t be him,maybe this new guy who comes this season.

Probably because when she was writing S5, she wasn't banking on the show still being around for a S12. Was anyone, really? S4 was a mess, so was a lot of S5, then S6 showed that they could still be great when they tried and they haven't really been able to sustain a great full season top to bottom since. Some good storyline ideas executed poorly.

[BaseOps]

Probably because when she was writing S5, she wasn't banking on the show still being around for a S12. Was anyone, really? S4 was a mess, so was a lot of S5, then S6 showed that they could still be great when they tried and they haven't really been able to sustain a great full season top to bottom since. Some good storyline ideas executed poorly.

 

I think Shonda has always envisioned Grey's as very long term. Certainly by season 5 after all of its huge success. She always said she'd love it to run like ER, but you may be right... it may not have been quite a reality until George / Izzie left. Then they really saw they could still do well without original characters, and with new ones coming in (S6 merger was basically the first big test). 

[choclatechip45]

I remember an interview were Shonda said she had a 6 season plan.

[Nobodysfan]

Ugh. I hated that idea the first time, when it was called the "How I Met Your Mother" finale.

 

Don´t understand. I have never watched How I met your mother, coud you explain what you mean,please? Thanks.

[Nobodysfan]

Do you all think Meredith will live with Maggie, Amelia and Arizona in one house?

[BaseOps]

Don´t understand. I have never watched How I met your mother, coud you explain what you mean,please? Thanks.

 

Okay, well Spoilers for HIMYM are below for anyone who hasn't seen its series finale: 

 

HIMYM finale is probably among the most fan-hated endings in recent memory. Basically the entire series was building up Ted (the main character) getting married to the love of his life (hence the title.) We finally met her in the final season, and in the series finale we discover she's died, and he ends up going back to the bitch who he spent a great deal of the series on again / off again with. 

 

 

Do you all think Meredith will live with Maggie, Amelia and Arizona in one house?

 

 

Ugh. I just know Amelia is going to be living in that house. I absolutely don't want to see that. Meredith / Maggie together would be nice, but jeez these are adults - surgeons, no less - they can afford to get their own apartments. 

Edited July 17, 2015 by BaseOps

[Nobodysfan]

Yes, I kind of like Maggie and Meredith living together, but no Amelia. If OA crap continues, why move Amelia in the house? Just to do the same as with Cristina? Owen will visit her there and sleep with her in the room where he once slept with Cristina just like in the trailer. It´s sick and disgusting.

Edited July 17, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[Eolivet]

HIMYM finale is probably among the most fan-hated endings in recent memory. Basically the entire series was building up Ted (the main character) getting married to the love of his life (hence the title.) We finally met her in the final season, and in the series finale we discover she's died, and he ends up going back to the bitch who he spent a great deal of the series on again / off again with.

 

Not to get too far afield of the topic, but I think the HIMYM finale raises an interesting issue that speaks to showrunning -- one which Grey's will never likely encounter. The finale was hated because the creators insisted on ignoring eight years of character development and shoehorning the characters back into a concept they came up with in 2006. Love it or hate it, Shonda has never been afraid to flip the script. There are no preconceived endings for any of these characters, I believe. There are (largely) no endgame romances. But I feel the show is better off for it -- rather than writing towards something, they are simply following these characters and letting them evolve organically. Or leaving room in case actors leave, circumstances change, etc. Something that Grey's has no experience with whatsoever [/heavy sarcasm implied].

 

I guess, to me, Grey's doesn't yet feel complacent, especially after last year. Now I tune in, thinking pretty much anything could happen -- and that's kind of a fun (albeit terrifying) feeling.

[BaseOps]

Not to get too far afield of the topic, but I think the HIMYM finale raises an interesting issue that speaks to showrunning -- one which Grey's will never likely encounter. The finale was hated because the creators insisted on ignoring eight years of character development and shoehorning the characters back into a concept they came up with in 2006. Love it or hate it, Shonda has never been afraid to flip the script. There are no preconceived endings for any of these characters, I believe. There are (largely) no endgame romances. But I feel the show is better off for it -- rather than writing towards something, they are simply following these characters and letting them evolve organically. Or leaving room in case actors leave, circumstances change, etc. Something that Grey's has no experience with whatsoever [/heavy sarcasm implied].

 

I guess, to me, Grey's doesn't yet feel complacent, especially after last year. Now I tune in, thinking pretty much anything could happen -- and that's kind of a fun (albeit terrifying) feeling.

 

That's a really interesting way to look at it, actually. I typically like to know that writers have some sort of endgame in mind, but Grey's has always sort of just been about enjoying the ride. A year ago I would say that Meredith / Derek, Callie / Arizona, April / Jackson were all endgame, but now I'm not 100% sure. I still think the later two will end up together (mostly because I think the only reason Derek was killed was for outside reasons, not story) but I really don't know. S12 will be interesting to say the least. We know virtually nothing aside from a new doc joining and Ben becoming a regular, so it's really all wide-open right now. 

Yes, I kind of like Maggie and Meredith living together, but no Amelia. If OA crap continues, why move Amelia in the house? Just to do the same as with Cristina? Owen will visit her there and sleep with her in the room where he once slept with Cristina just like in the trailer. It´s sick and disgusting.

 

I don't really see it as disgusting lol... lots of men and women sleep with more than one significant other in the same place / bed. That's just life. Cristina is gone, he has to move on. I just dislike Amelia as a character and find she has no chemistry with Owen. Meredith is moving back into her mom's home, where she slept with Derek, George and countless one-night-stands (during season 2). Lexie also slept with Mark, Alex and Jackson there. Either way though, I agree that I don't want to see Amelia living in that house. 

Edited July 17, 2015 by BaseOps

[Nobodysfan]

For me, personally, I would prefer to know a couple is the endgame, they will make it, despite everything. So I will root for them,and support them knowing despite all obstacles, they will make it. Yes, enjoying the ride might be captivating, but I love the forever kind of romance not just individual journeys.

[Nobodysfan]

That's a really interesting way to look at it, actually. I typically like to know that writers have some sort of endgame in mind, but Grey's has always sort of just been about enjoying the ride. A year ago I would say that Meredith / Derek, Callie / Arizona, April / Jackson were all endgame, but now I'm not 100% sure. I still think the later two will end up together (mostly because I think the only reason Derek was killed was for outside reasons, not story) but I really don't know. S12 will be interesting to say the least. We know virtually nothing aside from a new doc joining and Ben becoming a regular, so it's really all wide-open right now. 

 

I don't really see it as disgusting lol... lots of men and women sleep with more than one significant other in the same place / bed. That's just life. Cristina is gone, he has to move on. I just dislike Amelia as a character and find she has no chemistry with Owen. Meredith is moving back into her mom's home, where she slept with Derek, George and countless one-night-stands (during season 2). Lexie also slept with Mark, Alex and Jackson there. Either way though, I agree that I don't want to see Amelia living in that house. 

 

Right, I forgot how sick the show truly is. They do the same in on-call rooms as well. They all sleep around. I wonder why nobody ever suffers from venereal diseases.

[BaseOps]

Right, I forgot how sick the show truly is. They do the same in on-call rooms as well. They all sleep around. I wonder why nobody ever suffers from venereal diseases.

 

George, Alex and Olivia all had syphilis lol

[Nobodysfan]

George, Alex and Olivia all had syphilis lol

 

Thanks for reminding me :), at least some of them had it. Hopefully, they learned a thing or two from it. 

 

This hospital looks like one brothel to me. Everyone has sex with everyone. Yuck!

 

I wonder who they will hook up with whom this season to expand the sexual relations so to say. 

 

Just imagine, this show is endless until everyone sleeps with everyone, a myriad of choices left .

Edited July 17, 2015 by Season5OwenHuntfan

[funnygirl]

 

Shonda has never been afraid to flip the script. There are no preconceived endings for any of these characters,

I don't think that was always the case. I believe Shonda once said she had an idea of how to end the series, but then it became the show that would never end and now it's so far off from that point. Not to mention, I'm sure at least half of the characters that were a part of that plan are no longer on the show. 

 

So yeah, now it's anything goes and there are no guarantees for endgame romances or happy endings. Now it's "let's see where the characters develop organically". Because no doubt had Sandra and Patrick still been on the show to the very end, both MerDer and Crowen would most certainly be endgame. Since they are now no longer, and they arguably were two of the top couples on the show, no other pairing is truly safe. Except for maybe Richard/Catherine. 

[Chas411]

What websites do the sides usually come from?

[windsprints]

What websites do the sides usually come from?

The sides are released to Showfax.com. People with paid access (they are not free at Showfax) usually post summaries. There's nothing on Showfax for Grey's yet this season.

[Chas411]

Ah I see. Do you have to be an actor to get them or are they open to anyone?

Do they start back filming this week? I feel it's been quiet since the table read.