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  1. cycworker

    S14.E24: All of Me

    @abc123 - don't forget; Callie & Arizona slept together the night before Callie walked out on her in the counsellor's office. Arizona thought Callie had forgiven her for the cheating (and to be fair, I think she had). Arizona was completely blindsided with Callie ended things in that office. So I think that's what they were hinting at, without going there directly.
  2. cycworker

    S14.E24: All of Me

    Youtube. Just search Arizona & the season # and Episode #. I think it was #22. Actually, search for The JCappers, too... they're a group of AZ/JCap fans who post just her scenes on Youtube. If you have trouble finding it, DM me & I'll get it. I have it saved somewhere.
  3. cycworker

    S14.E24: All of Me

    Overall, I agree with you. My two biggest complaints are as follows; As finales go, there weren't enough unanswered questions or cliffhangers to leave me on the edge of my seat & counting the days until the show returns in the fall. On some level, I think that was a mistake, especially this year, given how much fan anger there is regarding the firing of Jessica Capshaw & Sarah Drew. Angry fans need a reason to return, and I don't see Teddy doing that. In fact, there's a fair bit of anger about Teddy's return, because people are suggesting Vernoff chose her over Capshaw & Drew. Were this just a regular episode of Grey's it would've been pretty much perfect. Loved the pacing. Loved the humour. Loved the acting from everyone. It was an all around entertaining hour of TV, a few flaws not withstanding. I'm thrilled that it looks like Calzona are going to try again. The frustration for me is not knowing if Sara Ramirez wasn't on the episode because she said no, or because they didn't ask. i think it's a big plot hole that they didn't address why Calzona need to live in NY (as opposed to Seattle), given that Penny & Callie are over. It would've been easy, and it would've fleshed out the April/Webber/Arizona scene... have Arizona both say what she did about Callie, and also elaborate on how supportive Callie's being... that Callie might've returned to Seattle, but the project with Herman is now set to be in New York, so it's best for Arizona to be in New York. As Arizona's ambition always scared Callie, that kind of thing would show growth & strengthen the audience's hopes for Calzona's offscreen future. I can't get over how much Alex & Jo have grown on me, individually & as a couple. The bit with Bailey was predictable, but I'll take it. I'm unsure what to think about Teddy being pregnant. It is just so damned cliched. I'm in the minority in that I don't love JApril & I did love April/Matthew. It worked for me because I did think they laid groundwork for it earlier in the season.. like April telling the one girl she needs to accept the guy's prom proposal. I could see then they were going to imply that April took Matthew for granted.
  4. cycworker

    S14.E22: Fight for Your Mind

    I want to add one more thing about the Arizona/Sofia story. I think I may have said that the difficulty with this story is that Sofia's actually not on the show much, because she's a child character, and the show isn't about the children. The show is about the adult characters & the children only matter to the extent that they figure in to the adult's stories. So you aren't going to actually SEE Sofia acting out at school, or even necessarily talking to Zola about this situation (though I do think it was a bit of a missed opportunity that we never got a Sofia/Zola scene). What they didn't do, which they could've done & which might've helped make the story seem less rushed, is have someone - April, Bailey... I don't care who - suggest a professional Arizona could go to for advice on the situation. A consult, as it were. ;) I wouldn't have needed to actually see a scene of her actually talking to said counsellor/child psychologist. Just a reference that she was considering it would've been sufficient.
  5. cycworker

    Spoilers and Spoiler Speculation

    @moonorchid - would you elaborate please? I'm not sure what you mean by outgrown in this context. I'm not disagreeing with you - I'm genuinely unsure I understand your point. I just saw @LaughingOne's post and I get it now. I only half agree. I think that if the point, though, was for April & Matthew to end up together, they made some mistakes in the execution of it. I would argue that Matthew can't still be the same dorky, insecure, sweet guy you describe & we remember. In both JB's two episodes this season - where Karen dies & then when he brings Ruby to the hospital - I saw a bit more edge to the character, for sure. And certainly this season April's kept her snark/edginess that he developed after her time in the Middle East with Owen. If they do go the route of an April/Matthew reconciliation, for me the problem will be too much of it will have been off-screen If, when they knew that at the end of April's crisis of faith the plan was ultimately to have her with Matthew, they needed to bring Bruening into the show. And I completely agree that the Arizona departure has been written far too quickly. It makes me wonder when the decision really was made. At first I suspected the process of the decision around not renewing SD & JCap's contract was a bit longer & KV had been pondering it for a decent amount of time before she told them. Now I'm thinking the gap between when the decision was made & when the two were told was shorter than I suspected, resulting in these tacked on endings. As tacked on & quick as Arizona's is, at least the groundwork for it was laid in the 200th episode, with Sofia's "I miss Mama," and Arizona's response of "I miss Mama too." At the time I think they were still working to convince Sara to return for Season 15, though.
  6. cycworker

    Spoilers and Spoiler Speculation

    I really hope April doesn't die. I have also reached the point where I hope the person she's been seeing is Matthew. While I know it will drive JApril fans to even more anger than they already have, at this point they may as well go with the idea I tried to express elsewhere - I can't remember which thread it was but probably this one - that April's realizing that she made a mistake marrying Jackson/leaving Matthew. They've hinted at that in various scenes for a while anyway. I'm likening April & Matthew to this old Collin Raye song... Not That Different She said we're much too different We're from two separate worlds And he admitted she was partly right But in his heart's defense he told her What they had in common Was strong enough to bond them for life He said look behind your own soul And the person that you'll see Just might remind you of me She could hardly argue With his pure and simple logic But logic never could convince a heart She had always dreamed of loving someone more exotic And he just didn't seem to fit the part So she searched for greener pastures But never could forget What he whispered when she left I laugh, I love, I hope, I try I hurt, I need, I fear, I cry And I know you do the same things, too So we're really not that different, me and you Was it time or was it truth Maybe both lead her back to his door As her tears fell at his feet She didn't say "I love you" What she said meant even more I laugh, I love, I hope, I try I hurt, I need, I fear, I cry And I know you do the same things, too So we're really not that different, me and you ======= Now, I know the first verse doesn't really work; in fact it almost describes Jackson more. The thing is, though, I really do think what made April choose Jackson was the sheer romance of being swept away by this big declaration from him. There is something about Jackson that is so much more exotic & exciting than reliable, predictable, slightly dull yet sweet, earnest Matthew. That's not to say Jackson's not a good guy - he is. Just not necessarily the right good guy for April.
  7. cycworker

    S14.E22: Fight for Your Mind

    The difficulty I have with this take on the story is that I don't buy the notion that Carina & Arizona have actually fallen in love. What they have is really good sex and not much else. Carina's only marginally more likeable that Eliza, so I can't muster up a lot of empathy for her in this situation. The one I feel badly for is Sofia, because she's 7, and it sucks to feel like you basically have to pick one parent over the other when you want to have both. I give Arizona credit for realizing that regardless of whether she & Callie actually end up together eventually, for Sofia's welfare they have to figure out a way to be living close enough for them to co-parent/have as close to joint custody as possible, because right now, when Sofia is with one, she misses they other, and at 7, she's not emotionally equipped to sort through all that.
  8. cycworker

    Spoilers and Spoiler Speculation

    I quite like the blonde intern so I hope they don't have her die. LOL - I think I just misused/wasted the use of the spoiler tag. Grrr.
  9. cycworker

    Spoilers and Spoiler Speculation

    I was going to say something about the latest Ellen interview, but @LaughingOne pretty much said what I was thinking. I will add that Pompeo did totally oversimplify things. There were a lot of calm, intelligent, respectful tweets directed at her & KV criticizing both the decision & how the announcement was handled. The reality is Ellen basically started this by getting defensive before anyone even started tweeting her, because she didn't like the Deadline reference suggesting that the firings were budgetary vs story dictated, and they tied it to her raise. That would've been fine, but she didn't even acknowledge anything about JCap & Sarah. She just was totally focussed on defending herself. Had she not gone that route to begin with, she might well have saved herself from experiencing so much of the negativity that she received.
  10. cycworker

    Spoilers and Spoiler Speculation

    @BaseOps - I totally agree with you! As much as I'm frustrated by the decision to fire these two actresses, I can't deny the things that Vernoff has done to improve the show. She's actually got me liking Jo! She's actually gotten decent work out of Camilla Luddington. Some of the stories she wrapped up needed to be wrapped up. Season 13 was a mess. Totally stagnant. That all said; -I hated Amelia's brain tumour -I hated the ending of the Paul story. -I thought the Bailey/Ben argument dragged out too long, that Bailey often looked childish, and frankly, as fantastic as the heart attack episode was, reducing it to "Bailey's scared that Ben's new job is too dangerous' was a cop-out. And those thoughts are just for starters. One thing about Vernoff: She's old school. She fully believes, it seems, that it's not her job to listen to fan bases, or fan mail or the like. She's got a vision and if people come along for the ride, great. If they don't, oh well... she's not going to veer from her vision. Now, in the old days of TV where it wasn't particularly easy to quickly gauge fan reaction, that made more sense. But things have changed & to an extent, TV's become a more interactive media, and show runners have to find some kind of balance that allows for them to bend their creative visions to take into account an analysis of how what they're presenting is being received. By the same token, you also have to trust yourself to some extent, too. It's about finding a balance between holding on to your core vision yet also listening & observing as to how your vision is being received.
  11. cycworker

    Spoilers and Spoiler Speculation

    I think it could go either way. I get what people mean about Mer/Der, and the whole 'Grey's not being about romance,' but by the same token... Shonda has an EGO. She loves the plaudits she got for Calzona. She kept their wedding topper. I think she's genuinely invested in making them endgame. Plus they will want to try to do damage control with fans after firing JCap. So while I'm not sure that we'll get a Doug/Carol type thing, I'm not ruling it out, either. My instinct is we get Calzona together in the series finale rather than now, but I'm keeping an open mind as to what he possibilities are. If my posts on this topic seem inconsistent, it's because they are. ;) I honestly can't decide what I think is going to happen.
  12. cycworker

    Spoilers and Spoiler Speculation

    I basically agree with @BaseOps. In many ways I do think the show is structurally better than it was in the last few seasons. In fact, maybe better than it's been since Vernoff left. The problem is that's not necessarily saying much given I'm not sure I care about some of the core stories & characters. Meredith is actually the least interesting character on the canvas for me. I hate the idea of losing Jessica Capshaw & Sarah Drew so that Ellen Pompeo's desire to prove she can be the central character on a show & have everyone revolve around her ( the notion of Mer as 'The Sun). And I base that on comments EP herself made... she compared herself to Viola Davis & Kerry Washington (How To Get Away With Murder, Scandal, respectively) and stated that she is just as capable of being the centre of a show & she resents that people think she can't do it. So my instinct is that's what the dismissal of JCap & Sarah Drew is about... April's presence will make folks want JApril. Arizona, despite the plane crash & being a hospital owner, just isn't well integrated within Meredith's circle. I've come to the conclusion that had Vernoff remained with the show, we would likely never have gotten the Jackson/April pairing. She clearly never viewed them that way. Heck, a part of me wonders if, were it up to her, Sarah Drew wouldn't have been brought back... that the decision to have April be rehired & bring Drew back in Season 6 was 100% a Shonda Rhimes decision. There have been multiple times where I've had the sense that the show has been hinting at the idea of April regretting walking away from Matthew. So if they were to retcon it & try to tell us that she's come to realize that Matthew was 'The One' all along, but she just got caught up in the, I don't know... glamour of Jackson... I could see it. Matthew is the 'nice' guy next door type. The nerdy guy from high school that got overlooked. Jackson's also a decent guy, but he's kinda the captain of the football team. The BMOC. He's just so different than the type of guy she would've grown up being taught to see herself with. They're from two different worlds. Anyway, that's what I can see Vernoff thinking. I can't help feeling that Vernoff is also a Callie/Arizona fan. Now, I know I'm a Callie/Arizona fan, so I'm biased. But she keeps throwing things into the dialogue that strongly suggest that Arizona isn't so much deeply invested in Carina or in love with Carina, so much as she just doesn't do well alone, she's lonely, and Carina's available... along the lines of "If you can't have the one you love, love the one you can have." So for me, it would be stupid to let Carina leave with Arizona. If Vernoff wanted them together, just keep Capshaw on the canvas & move their story forward. I'm not suggesting that Callie & Arizona should magically be clearly getting back together in/by the finale. I'm suggesting the show would be wise to give us the suggestion that it's on the horizon. Given how highly Sara Ramirez & Jessica Capshaw still speak of Shonda Rhimes, I still think that once a firm end date is set for Grey's, they'll be willing to come & do an episode or two that allows us to see how their characters ended up. Basically, they could have Calzona show up together & give us flashbacks to show how they reconciled.
  13. cycworker

    S14.E19: Beautiful Dreamer

    Forgive me... confused Canadian chiming in... I thought the point of DACA, when Obama introduced it/made it law was that these kids & their families were legally in the country. Given that, wouldn't they have been able to get legal passports at the time? Trump didn't DACA that long ago. Mind you, I also thought that the courts had postponed the ending of DACA due to a legal challenge of some sort.
  14. cycworker

    S14.E17: One Day Like This

    Agreed, at least in part because I'm pretty sure Kim Raver is signed until the end of the season. And in the end I suspect Amelia will be pregnant & that'll finally be the end of Owen & Teddy.
  15. cycworker

    Spoilers and Spoiler Speculation

    Although she was hired over the summer, I still believe there had to have been talks well before that. I really sense she had some input over the last few episodes. If she had not been hired, I think that Jackson & Maggie, while it may still have happened, would not have been endgame. But Vernoff never saw JApril as a romantic couple & so she's taken the story in a different direction. While I don't necessarily like it, I do respect her right, as the show runner, to make that choice.
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