S07.E22: Atlanta Twirls On

[StevieRocks]

I bet Bravo had to buy a lot of tickets to get people to go and treat her like a celebrity. Autograph? Nene's? Really?

I agree, and I know that I'm in the minority here, but I am just livid that Nene is on-stage in a Broadway production when there are people struggling, living in a studio rat-hole, waiting tables, and hustling in NYC in order to be an artist, and meanwhile, Moose, whose only claim to fame is that she's a reality "star," lumbers in swinging a Birkin bag with Gregg runnin' behind her. "Your slave's behind you," indeed.

[ZaldamoWilder]

I have a roommate who has a 15 year old son.  Everything is a chore for this kid.  I came home early from work yesterday because I was sick.  He had the day off from school.  He was sitting on the couch with the TV on....at top volume....while simultaneously staring at his phone.  I was cooking myself something to eat so I was down there for at least 45 minutes.  His eyes stayed on that phone the entire time.  I'm not quite sure why he had the TV on, clearly he wasn't watching whatever was on it.

Whenever I ask him a question, I get the same monotone voice that Riley uses when answering a question.  Like life is just.so.fucking.hard they can't be bothered to inject some emotion into what they're saying.

He is always put out, no matter what he's asked to do and he does as little as possible if he does it at all.  Point in fact, when asked to take the trash out, there were two other smaller bags sitting next to it, he left the two smaller bags but took the bigger one.  God forbid I happen to walk into his room which is a hoarders effing dream.  

My point?  Riley is absolutely a typical teenager.  Money and privilege have nothing to do with it.  Roommate's son's resting attitude is entitled.  

This is why I don't have kids.  I have to laugh at the kid every time I see him.  Oh to be young and have no bills to pay whatsoever.

 

Responding in case this was for me as I'm the one who mentioned money and privilege.  If not, don't mind me. My first sentence was to agree that she's typical teen in that shitty self absorbed way that is not uncommon for them.  The same way you describe above.  In addition, in my opinion, being the child of a multimillionaire adds an extra layer of entitlement and indifference that other teens have in lesser amounts because they've got non multimillionaire responsibilities like chores to do.  I don't really wanna start typing IMO after everything I say because I think that's implied in a forum like this.   We can agree to disagree.

 

{{blushes}} at announcergirl.  Listen I'm just happy to have ya'll to talk to. lol.

[StevieRocks]

I agree with you on this, he should be thinking of his children and not himself. If it were me and my kids, I'd be telling the guy "you chose to lie, cheat and steal.... you made your prison bed, now you're going to lie in it alone." A friend of mine did just that when her husband was caught dealing drugs. She divorced him and his little kids didn't go visit him in prison. They did re-establish a relationship with him once he got out and was living life on the straight and narrow again.

 

This. My mom's girlfriend got pregnant at 15 and is still married (45 years later) to the father of her three children. She told them: "You can't bring no drugs in this house; you can't bring no baby in this house, and if you ever go to prison, you are dead to me." Consequently,her children never did any of those things; all three are college graduates, and her grandson was just accepted to the Naval Academy. I think people make choices about what is acceptable in their lives, and by doing so, they set expectations. When Kandi said, "A lot of my family members have been locked up," I thought, "Congratulations?"

[imjagain]

This. My mom's girlfriend got pregnant at 15 and is still married (45 years later) to the father of her three children. She told them: "You can't bring no drugs in this house; you can't bring no baby in this house, and if you ever go to prison, you are dead to me." Consequently,her children never did any of those things; all three are college graduates, and her grandson was just accepted to the Naval Academy. I think people make choices about what is acceptable in their lives, and by doing so, they set expectations. When Kandi said, "A lot of my family members have been locked up," I thought, "Congratulations?"

Congratulations to your mom's friend.

Things are almost never that simple or black and white. It would be great if we could say don't do anything bad and bad things won't happen to you, life is way more complicated.

I doubt Kandi was bragging.

Edited April 21, 2015 by imjagain

[LIMOM]

Since according to the NAACP, one in three AA males will be incarcerated in his lifetime, I am not surprised that Kandi had family members incarcerated.

It is just an unfair fact of life in her community and I agree that she was not bragging either.

[StevieRocks]

I didn't think she was bragging. My point is that there are some people who are willing to accept behaviors that others refuse to accept. And the statistic you mentioned is the main reason my friend laid down the law like she did. 

Edited April 21, 2015 by StevieRocks

[Ubiquitous]

That's when you buy some whipped cream and frosting and tell everyone you made one of those trendy cookie cakes! Not that I've had experience in such matters (I've had experience in such matters).

I think that's what Phaedra was trying to do.

OK, so who in Atlanta knows if Peter's Brew is still open?

[cooksdelight]

Here's where it's located:

http://allaboutthetea.com/2015/01/27/peter-thomas-opening-peters-brew-coffee-shop-in-atlanta/

What's interesting is that when I was Googling to find the place, there were articles announcing the new venture as far back as November of last year, when this episode was filmed. So, he's been paying rent from Nov. until now. No Yelp reviews yet. So, technically, it may not even be open yet.

[Talented Tenth]

Apollo is not the victim.  The kids are - they should not be punished for what's happened.  What's done is done.  The past cannot be changed.  There is no proof he has ever been violent towards his children - that's Phaedra trying to trash Apollo.  If she doesn't want to take the children herself, why not have their Uncle (Apollo's brother ) take them, or his friend Bun. 

 

Did Phaedra claim he was violent towards the children?  I would never allow my young children to go with someone like Apollo's brother or Bun to a prison.

 

I agree, and I know that I'm in the minority here, but I am just livid that Nene is on-stage in a Broadway production when there are people struggling, living in a studio rat-hole, waiting tables, and hustling in NYC in order to be an artist, and meanwhile, Moose, whose only claim to fame is that she's a reality "star," lumbers in swinging a Birkin bag with Gregg runnin' behind her. "Your slave's behind you," indeed.

 

I'm not getting the correlation?  I don't care for NeNe, but there are lots of people working who make just as much and more money than NeNe while others are struggling.  Why is she singled out as undeserving?

Edited April 22, 2015 by Talented Tenth

[nb360]

I found Peter's Brew's website: http://petersbrew.com/ Curiously, it doesn't list the coffee shop's address.

For a smile, view the Peter's Brew "commercial": https://petersbrew.com/peters-brew-commercial/

[cooksdelight]

That's odd, that there's no street address or hours of operation. Maybe it's online only? That space he's renting might be for storage and mailing out the coffee?

[StevieRocks]

I'm not getting the correlation?  I don't care for NeNe, but there are lots of people working who make just as much and more money than NeNe while others are struggling.  Why is she singled out as undeserving?

Because to me, she is less deserving than the people who are committed to acting as an art. I see Nene as someone who just wants to be famous and is really not interested in putting herself out there, going to casting calls,taking acting classes and working hard for success. Seeing her up there made me feel sorry for the people who do those things for the love of the theatre. YMMV. I think I'm a bit of a dinosaur when it comes to anything artistic! I hate those singing shows, too, because I really respect artists who have paid their dues. 

[cooksdelight]

I really respect artists who have paid their dues.

Ditto for me. How many people who've worked for years and years in the theater had to stand in the background and watch as NeNe took the stage in a role that she was totally clueless about? Asking the director if she could do different accents? Thundering like she does on this show? Remember back when NeNe was complaining about this role, as opposed to something on TV, and how she didn't think she wanted to play this part? Whether she was making that up for show, or she really felt that way, my heart broke a little for the people I know personally who'd have given their eye teeth, their first born and their last dime for an opportunity to play even a small part in a Broadway play. It's her entitled attitude that killed it for me in this episode. I wish her all the best, but I just hope at some point she learns some humility.

[LIMOM]

Because to me, she is less deserving than the people who are committed to acting as an art. I see Nene as someone who just wants to be famous and is really not interested in putting herself out there, going to casting calls,taking acting classes and working hard for success. Seeing her up there made me feel sorry for the people who do those things for the love of the theatre. YMMV. I think I'm a bit of a dinosaur when it comes to anything artistic! I hate those singing shows, too, because I really respect artists who have paid their dues.

Nene was hired to fill theater seats not for her talent, training nor abilities.

Those who paid their dues are so much better able to handle success when it comes their ways,IMO.

Look at Fantasia, while she is incredibly talented, her career and her life are a mess.

(Some says that she screams not sings but I find her compelling)

Her acting however????!!!!

[Aging Goth]

Nene has been working as an actress for years before RHOA.  She did a movie and did guest appearances on several sitcoms before getting the gig on RHOA.  So this is not actually her just being a reality star doing acting, she has been in acting for quite some time

[cooksdelight]

Taking my response to NeNe's thread.

[SFoster21]

Nene has been working as an actress for years before RHOA. She did a movie and did guest appearances on several sitcoms before getting the gig on RHOA. So this is not actually her just being a reality star doing acting, she has been in acting for quite some time

Whole time I've been aware of her, she's acted, all right. Acted the fool.

[LIMOM]

Whole time I've been aware of her, she's acted, all right. Acted the fool.

Seriously!

Nene has been working as an actress for years before RHOA.  She did a movie and did guest appearances on several sitcoms before getting the gig on RHOA.  So this is not actually her just being a reality star doing acting, she has been in acting for quite some time

So was she really a stripper or is it part of her storyline on RHOA?

[cooksdelight]

So was she really a stripper or is it part of her storyline on RHOA?

Yes, you can read more about her background in her thread.

[LIMOM]

Yes, you can read more about her background in her thread.

I did and went to the IMDB link but it says nothing.

I remember at the beginning of the housewives that she said that she went to LA to try to get on shows.

That reality genre is so confusing.

Edited April 23, 2015 by LIMOM

[Aging Goth]

Seriously!

So was she really a stripper or is it part of her storyline on RHOA?

She really was a stripper, really was abandoned by her mother, really was abused by Brent's bio father.  However, she always wanted to be an actress so she still persued a career.  It just didn't take off  at the time

[LIMOM]

She really was a stripper, really was abandoned by her mother, really was abused by Brent's bio father.  However, she always wanted to be an actress so she still persued a career.  It just didn't take off  at the time

Thanks

[hottesthw]

I thought Apollo was in a less than high security prison? They don't have something there like a restroom for people to bring little children, to change their diapers? I've never visited anyone in a prison so I honestly don't know.

I've got more experience in the federal prison system than I care to admit, but I am firmly on Phaedra side. As ridiculous as it sounded she was thinking logically. She's got 2 babies to bring into a disgusting dirty environment. I can't tell you how many women stand outside throwing a fit because they have to leave to change babies and can't get back in (their own fault, all visitors are given the rules in advance). Appolo will be in there long enough that there is plenty of time to see the kids when they are a bit older. They're not going to remember if they don't see him for 12 months when they're so young now. I also call bullshit on that whole phone call. We couldn't even have answering machines on our phone out of fear of us recording the call. There is no way in hell the Feds cleared it so that call could be recorded, filmed and shown on national tv. And I've never heard an inmate record their own name either like a damn voicemail. Apollo is just playing games. I'm betting they recorded that call before he left and if she ended up not bringing the boys they agreed to air it to make her look bad. Fuck off Apollo. Nothing but a damn lowlife criminal.

[hottesthw]

Phaedra must be a fantastic lawyer because her argument against taking the kids to visit Apollo is airtight. Like she's never been in public before without access to a changing table. Shit happens, sorry, you can change a kid's diaper anywherey.

Except as she said, his prison isn't around the corner and once you leave you don't go back in. And when you go in, you go empty handed, no diaper bags and wipes allowed. So if the poor kid shits, he sits in shit for 3 hours. Apollo needs to think of this and the gazillion other reasons why prison might not be the best place for his sons to hang out and just shut up.

[hottesthw]

Phaedra is definitely a LIAR regarding not being able to change diapers in prison. These are the rules from the prison website!

AUTHORIZED BABY CARE ITEMS THAT MAY BE TAKEN INTO THE VISITING ROOM (Enough baby care items to last six hours):

1. 4 Diapers

2. 2 Clear Baby Feeding Bottles

3. 4 Baby Food (jars that are sealed only)

4. Any medication the baby needs

5. Baby Wipes in a clear plastic baggie.

6. Any special needs item(s) will be handled at the discretion of the Visiting Room Officer.

Page 17: http://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/lex/LEX_visit_hours.pdf

That's until a guard with a bug up his butt decides to confiscate it all for one stupid reason or another. Try shoving a list of rules in a guard's face and see how quickly you find yourself on the highway back home.

[cooksdelight]

There is no way in hell the Feds cleared it so that call could be recorded, filmed and shown on national tv. And I've never heard an inmate record their own name either like a damn voicemail. Apollo is just playing games. I'm betting they recorded that call before he left and if she ended up not bringing the boys they agreed to air it to make her look bad. Fuck off Apollo. Nothing but a damn lowlife criminal

I was wondering about that!! I have heard and read that it doesn't work like that, nor would they allow him to call someone and have the call recorded. I am betting Bravo put this together before Apollo went asunder.

[4evaQuez]

I was wondering about that!! I have heard and read that it doesn't work like that, nor would they allow him to call someone and have the call recorded. I am betting Bravo put this together before Apollo went asunder.

I actually thought the same thing. Mainly because Cynthia has has early season long, stringy blonde hair. She hasn't worn that look in several weeks now.

[SpringTulips]

I don't know.  Its not like Apollo recorded the call and aired it.  I think with phone calls prisoners have much leeway within the time limits.  You don't necessarily have to clear your calls. Although there may be some restraints like having a call list, sort of like a visitors list? I don't know.

 

I don't know much about visiting prisoners with small children.(my brother is a pastor so maybe I will ask him. But its not like she is thinking about taking the kids to see their father every other day. 

 

She has enough time to plan.  Make sure the kids are fed, have slept, and have pottied before they go in.  Sure things happen, but when it comes to children it is not all about your conveniences every time.  You procreate with a felon, you have to adjust.

Edited April 24, 2015 by SpringTulips

[cooksdelight]

I actually thought the same thing. Mainly because Cynthia has has early season long, stringy blonde hair. She hasn't worn that look in several weeks now.

It's one thing for the editors to slip up with the THs and stuff like that. But you're right, this was probably taped/filmed right about the time he left for prison. With one call "Phaedra ain't letting me see my kids!" and one "Phaedra brought the kids to see me, but she ain't giving me any money on my books!" Anything to make himself look like a victim.

[SnarkKitty]

I was going to say the same thing, but take it one step farther - I think they were angling for a spin-off. The Burress/Tucker clan out in LA. With everyone. They're a thirsty bunch. Did you catch Todd asking one of the aunts if she'd like to go out there to visit?

And what do you know - there's some sort of show called "Kandi's Ski Trip" on Bravo airing after the RHOA reunion.

 

I actually posted this before, but ... yeah: http://www.realitytea.com/2015/03/27/report-kandi-burruss-and-todd-tucker-filming-a-bravo-spinoff-meet-the-tuckers/

[LibertarianSlut]

She really was a stripper, really was abandoned by her mother, really was abused by Brent's bio father.

Regarding Nene's family, I believe Brentt's bio father is Gregg. It sticks with me because they've both got those annoying double consonants at the ends of their names (what is with that, anyway?)

I think you may have been referring to Bryson's bio father.

ETA: regarding the question of whether there is a way for Phaedra's kids to talk to Apollo remotely, I did see something on Prison Wives Club called jpay. It seemed to be just like Skype, except it was closely monitored, so there is no talking about sex or showing "inappropriate" material to one another. Apparently the close monitoring makes it very expensive. I don't know if jpay is available in federal prison though; PWC took place in Washington, a state that allows conjugal visits, whereas federal prison does not allow for conjugals, so I'm sure there are vast differentials between the way the prisoners are treated. Aaand showing myself out, now that I've admitted to watching Prison Wives Club...

Edited April 24, 2015 by N. Bluth

[LotusFlower]

I actually posted this before, but ... yeah: http://www.realitytea.com/2015/03/27/report-kandi-burruss-and-todd-tucker-filming-a-bravo-spinoff-meet-the-tuckers/

Apparently, the "Meet the Tucker's" spin-off was instead changed to a shorter series, called "Kandi's Ski Trip." And yes, with the whole gang. I think it starts after the RHOA reunion ends. It's discussed on the Kandi thread, if you're interested.

[Aging Goth]

You're right, N. Bluth, I did mean Bryson.

[cooksdelight]

Thanks, LotusFlower, let's everyone take the discussions about Kandi's show to that thread, about NeNe's past to her thread, and keep this discussion about the last episode. It's easy to stray off topic with the last episode because of the speculation about the future for each of them. Their individual threads are great for talking about it there.

Thank you!

[Ubiquitous]

After seeing snippets of Kenya's fake sitcom, and seeing how silly Cynthia's character was, I remember this was the sitcom she proposed to RogerBob and by her presentation it was clearly meant as a jab at the other people on this show and wonder if that was intentional.

[SFoster21]

I agree. It's not even the prison; it's the journey from GA to KY with small kids in diapers. No way. Sorry, no way.

And the poster who mentioned the asshole guards, completely true! Those people are like Nazis, drunk with power and looking to humiliate. Been there.

Just for the record, can't stand Phaedra!

Edited April 25, 2015 by SFoster21

[Lucygirl2]

I don't know of any men in my actual life who like to be ass deep in other people's business, but Peter just seems to love inserting himself in everyone's private business.  He works harder for Cynthia's peach than she does LOL

[cooksdelight]

Peter's motives may be that he wants to be sure Cynthia has a paycheck.

[SFoster21]

Peter's motives may be that he wants to be sure Cynthia has a paycheck.

That he can spend.

[halkatla]

I´m so disgusted by Apollo and everyone on the show that is taking his side in the "should small children always visit their daddy in prison"drama. My opinion is that Apollo is 100% to blame for himself being in prison and away from his kids. I don´t think he respects his family, including his little boys, and he does not care at all about what is best for them. Hearing Peter & Cynthia and Kandi & Todd talk like Phaedra is somehow to blame for poor little victim Apollo not seeing his kids is disgusting to me. "She´s not allowing him to see his kids buh-huu". Yuck. And the way he was acting on the phone call, I was so hoping that someone would explain to this known and self-confessed liar, idiot and thief that if he cared for his boys he would not want them to think that going to prison was just okay or normal in any way. Peter was kind of there, but didn´t go far enough and the others are always pampering him. What are they so scared of? Or are they so morally bankrupt that they don´t care? Cynthia isn´t being a friend to Kenya, I wouldn´t want my friend acting that way towards someone that lied about me like Appollo did about Kenya.

 

I truly hope that Phaedra and the boys come out of this even stronger than before, the boys are imo not better off having a close prison-visiting relationship with Apollo. I remember when Kandi was discussing this on a previous episode she sounded like her family had dealt with something similar and in that case the kid/kids was branded a gangsters kid and always visiting the prison, learning about his roots in that regard, and it really fit Kandi´s world where every mess and drama is made to grow and grow into something really ugly and sad, like her relationship with her mother. I hope Phaedra never takes any advice from someone like that (saying that, I´ve always been kind of a Kandi fan but this season I´ve not liked her at all).

[LIMOM]

It is nobody's choice but Phaedra's anyways.

Those children are too young to visit their bitch made father, IMO.

If pretty boy Floyd wanted to be a decent father, he would have stuck to being a "master barber" or whatever skills, he picked up at his last rodeo.

Of course, Phaedra wanted pretty babies, however she showed me that she is an attentive mother.

Aiden has a great vocabulary for his age, it is a testimonial to someone's teaching that kid well. IMHO.

Until it is proven that she was an accomplice, let her be great.

[trimthatfat]

 

Kandi got hit the hardest when they were having lunch with Sharon, and Sharon mentioned that Joyce said she was a prostitute and that Todd's father was a pimp... and Kandi just rolled her eyes and brushed it off. Showed not an ounce of concern. This was aired right after Sharon had passed away, so the timing was unfortunate. But still, that's how Kandi handled the situation. Instead of saying "I'm so sorry for my mother's comments, I'll be sure that we get together with her and she explains herself and apologizes for something so awful." Kandi thinks her mother can do no wrong. Every single time Todd has mentioned to Kandi things her mom said out of Kandi's presence, she just says "that's how my momma rolls."

 

No, that's how an asshole rolls.

 

I like Kandi, but she lost major points with the way she handled the situation with Todd's mother. Kandi handled the situation like a clueless teenager and honestly, for that alone, Todd has every reason to leave the marriage.