S31: Spoilers

[rose711]

I said :

"Not that terry is the kind of person to do that, but someone shady like JFP would pull something like that. I'm not sure what the clear cut rule is. However someone did say that to me."

I don't know if its on a case by case basis or one solid rule of no phone calls. Plus that doing well part I don't think they would spoil if Terry were voted out. Terry is on the wrong side of the numbers. The Bayon 4 is very close. I don't think they are breaking up unless one of them is idoled out. Angkor could go to TC, but I'm just comparing it to other ones.

White Collar castaways strip down and embrace their free-spirited "no collar" tendencies. Blue Collar castaways disagree when it comes to heavy lifting at camp, and one castaway struggles to adapt to her new tribe mates. - The non labeled tribe is the no collar and nina

A division of labor causes cracks in the hard-working Blue Collar tribe. Also, one castaway's strategy during the immunity challenge completely backfires. - Joe different tribe

One castaway struggles to fit in after a shocking tribal council. Also, winning a reward gives one castaway a new outlook on life and the game. - Sierra/Shirin

Three castaways face a game-changing decision minutes after the competition begins. Meanwhile, one tribe pours both blood and sweat into an early challenge and one castaway seeks revenge after discovering that her tribe wants to vote her out. - David, Sarah, LJ / Brawn/ J'Tia

I looked up ones in the last 3 seasons to have a similar description its never the same tribe.

Thanks for looking those up. I would be very happy if Angkor doesn't go to tribal council.

I can't think of who else would have people fighting at tribal council...

It just seems so unlikely that Terry gets voted out and then gets a call to come home from Ponderosa the next day or so. If they go to tribal I can see Kass leaving and I can see her fighting about it...

Edited October 11, 2015 by rose711

[anthonyd46]

There is nothing to indicate that the oldBayon 4 are close beyond that they are old Bayon.

On my second watch, I was struck by the conversation between Kass and Ciera. They were like - "we lucked out, I feel good about Joe and Keith."  Why would they need to talk about it if the 4 are close? We know that Joe and Keith are in the alpha alliance together. Kass and Ciera dont seem to have much of a connection, much less an alliance.  And they are certainly not part of the old alpha alliance.

 

Kass seems to have a side thing going with Joe as part of the many secret scenes. Her saying - "I feel good about Joe" were captioned, leading me to think that when she is blindsided, Joe will be a part of that.

I'll have to watch it again, but I didn't see to get that the Bayon on the Ta Keo tribe were going to flip and go with Terry or Kelley. You even had Kelley saying she would kick terry under the bus. Again though until a tribe has to go to TC they act differently. So until Bayon or Ta Keo have to go to TC we really don't know the vote when they are forced to vote someone out vs hypothetical. 

[LadyChatts]

http://www.survivorfever.net/vc_s31_promo_ep4_10_11.html

 

http://www.survivorfever.net/s31_press_images_ep4.html

 

The press images and some more promo shots.  Pretty much all of the promos/press images this week seem to be focusing on the RC and the Bayon/Angkor tribes (which make me believe that Ta'Keo likely avoids TC this week).  I almost hope Bayon does lose.  It'd be nice to see some different people at TC and some new dynamics/strategy.  It is going to make for a boring first half if Angkor continually goes to TC.

[anthonyd46]

http://www.survivorfever.net/vc_s31_promo_ep4_10_11.html

 

http://www.survivorfever.net/s31_press_images_ep4.html

 

The press images and some more promo shots.  Pretty much all of the promos/press images this week seem to be focusing on the RC and the Bayon/Angkor tribes (which make me believe that Ta'Keo likely avoids TC this week).  I almost hope Bayon does lose.  It'd be nice to see some different people at TC and some new dynamics/strategy.  It is going to make for a boring first half if Angkor continually goes to TC.

There just so many little pieces that is confusing me a bit.

 

Like we have crying Tasha, which we think can be from Terry's quit, but it also can be from Jeff asking them how is camp life and she breaks down saying its terrible

Then we have shocked Stephen, Jeremy, Monica which could be from Terry's quit or it could be from losing immunity

Then we have the intro of Monica standing next to someone with a thick neck which could be Varner, but if both of these make it on a tribe together and Ta Keo doesn't attend TC then how is both of them still there considering by that point 2 more TC would have had to happen and you would think one of them would get voted out by then.

Then we also have the spoiler that Jeremy's secret idol gets exposed and causes Chaos. 

[LadyChatts]

The "heated" TC seems too obvious for Ta'Keo, knowing what we know.  I think the crying Tasha could be them losing this week's IC; even though they are ahead, there's always the chance they fall behind.  There have been many, many down to the wire competitions.  So she could be crying for that reason, that they lost yet another TC.  Their camp is miserable, and from the previews doesn't seem to be getting any better.  Plus, they have Abi.  And Savage and Tasha don't seem fond of Varner, and the feeling is mutual.

 

It could also be that Jeremy's idol is in fact exposed, and someone uses that to their advantage.  I would think it would be that, Spencer/Kelly battling to be saved, or someone from Bayon attempts to flip to blindside Jeremy (as an example) and gets caught, and suddenly they are facing the ax.  I wish there would be more in the promos besides just the RC.  I also think that photo of Monica/Jeremy/Stephen, if that hasn't already happened and was left out, could be Bayon losing the IC this week.  Ta'Keo has an advantage, and while I consider Angkor the weakest tribe of the 3, I think against Bayon they might have a chance.

[anthonyd46]

The "heated" TC seems too obvious for Ta'Keo, knowing what we know.  I think the crying Tasha could be them losing this week's IC; even though they are ahead, there's always the chance they fall behind.  There have been many, many down to the wire competitions.  So she could be crying for that reason, that they lost yet another TC.  Their camp is miserable, and from the previews doesn't seem to be getting any better.  Plus, they have Abi.  And Savage and Tasha don't seem fond of Varner, and the feeling is mutual.

 

It could also be that Jeremy's idol is in fact exposed, and someone uses that to their advantage.  I would think it would be that, Spencer/Kelly battling to be saved, or someone from Bayon attempts to flip to blindside Jeremy (as an example) and gets caught, and suddenly they are facing the ax.  I wish there would be more in the promos besides just the RC.  I also think that photo of Monica/Jeremy/Stephen, if that hasn't already happened and was left out, could be Bayon losing the IC this week.  Ta'Keo has an advantage, and while I consider Angkor the weakest tribe of the 3, I think against Bayon they might have a chance.

I can agree with this on both counts. I guess theres nothing that makes nothing making Stephen safe, but it just seems like they planted a seed with Savage and Stephen and I thought Stephen would be taken out by Savage. However Jeremy was part of that scene so I guess it could be Jeremy idol gets exposed by Stephen then Jeremy realizes Savage was right about Stephen this leads to the argument Stephen goes.

Edited October 12, 2015 by anthonyd46

[LadyChatts]

If Bayon goes to TC, I'm thinking it could be a scenario sort of like we play out with Ami's Micronesia boot.  Spencer and Kelly have nothing to lose, so they do like Savage/Tasha and look for any outsiders in the Bayon group.  If they could get one person to flip, they could use the threat of the tie and rock drawing to possibly entice someone else to join them (as some people suggested PG should have done).  If Jeremy's idol is exposed, that might throw a wrench into the plans.  With the fear of him using it, it may prevent people from voting against him and instead voting with him to take out someone else, just as long as it isn't them.

 

I do think Jeremy and Kimmi are safe, but I think any of the other 4 are in danger.  Spencer may see his name show up again, but I believe he survives.  That's based on circumstantial evidence more than anything in the promos, but I think it could be Kelly, or a Stephen/Monica blindside.  Like I said, I am hoping that it is someone besides Angkor because that just makes it somewhat predictable.

[anthonyd46]

If Bayon goes to TC, I'm thinking it could be a scenario sort of like we play out with Ami's Micronesia boot.  Spencer and Kelly have nothing to lose, so they do like Savage/Tasha and look for any outsiders in the Bayon group.  If they could get one person to flip, they could use the threat of the tie and rock drawing to possibly entice someone else to join them (as some people suggested PG should have done).  If Jeremy's idol is exposed, that might throw a wrench into the plans.  With the fear of him using it, it may prevent people from voting against him and instead voting with him to take out someone else, just as long as it isn't them.

 

I do think Jeremy and Kimmi are safe, but I think any of the other 4 are in danger.  Spencer may see his name show up again, but I believe he survives.  That's based on circumstantial evidence more than anything in the promos, but I think it could be Kelly, or a Stephen/Monica blindside.  Like I said, I am hoping that it is someone besides Angkor because that just makes it somewhat predictable.

Yea more good analysis there.  I just want Jeff to be safe so that bootlist is proven wrong lol

[wonald]

There just so

Then we also have the spoiler that Jeremy's secret idol gets exposed and causes Chaos. 

 

Where is this an official spoiler? All I wrote was that someone who knows what happens possibly let slip that Jeremy keeping the HII causes CONFLICT, not "Chaos". Dont put words in my mouth. She does not edit the show so who knows if we even see this?

[anthonyd46]

Where is this an official spoiler? All I wrote was that someone who knows what happens possibly let slip that Jeremy keeping the HII causes CONFLICT, not "Chaos". Dont put words in my mouth. She does not edit the show so who knows if we even see this?

Conflict and Chaos are related to each other so basically the same thing. Does the word really matter? How is it not a spoiler if she knows what happens and she says that? I guess theres a chance that it doesn't, but no one was calling you out so I'm not sure why you seem annoyed this was even mentioned?

Edited October 12, 2015 by anthonyd46

[wonald]

Conflict and Chaos are related to each other so basically the same thing. Does the word really matter? How is it not a spoiler if she knows what happens and she says that? I guess theres a chance that it doesn't, but no one was calling you out so I'm not sure why you seem annoyed this was even mentioned?

 

It might seem like semantics to you but conflict and chaos are not the same. A conflict could be a little conflict or a big conflict. If it doesnt have impact on the ultimate outcome, it might not be shown.

 

When it comes to spoilers, I think it behooves everyone to try to be exact as possible. Otherwise, it becomes a game of Telephone and something becomes something different altogether thru people's carelessness.

[anthonyd46]

It might seem like semantics to you but conflict and chaos are not the same. A conflict could be a little conflict or a big conflict. If it doesnt have impact on the ultimate outcome, it might not be shown.

 

When it comes to spoilers, I think it behooves everyone to try to be exact as possible. Otherwise, it becomes a game of Telephone and something becomes something different altogether thru people's carelessness.

Ok fair enough just didn't want you to think I was calling you out. I wasn't

[LadyChatts]

Episode 5 is titled "A Snake in the Grass".  Wonder if that continues with whoever is involved in the 'heated' TC, or someone tries making a move to blindside someone.

[wonald]

clip from E4.

right after TC3 angkor.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_lrH6Hzwis

 

 

 

 

if varner makes it to E5, he is the Snake in Grass

Edited October 12, 2015 by wonald

[anthonyd46]

Any thoughts of why the IC isn't in the press photos? Last week it wasn't obviously because they didn't want to spoil the switched tribes, but why not this week?

[LadyChatts]

Any thoughts of why the IC isn't in the press photos? Last week it wasn't obviously because they didn't want to spoil the switched tribes, but why not this week?

 

It's hard to say.  The last couple of weeks have really been skimping on photos (and as you said, it was likely due to the tribe swap).  I wonder if too much was getting out and being dissected in the promos/press photos and that is why, to avoid spoilers.  Why they would care after all this time I don't know, unless some major stuff happens down the road and they don't want to make it obvious.  If someone got hurt, they'd be hyping the heck out of that like they did for Kelly last season, even if they didn't show who it was.  I don't know if one tribe gets so far ahead or it is too obvious what is happening in the photos.  But unless they showed us the exact outcome or something that no one could come from behind from, why would it matter?  People have lost huge leads in these challenges, so even if it looked like one tribe was ahead, it could easily go the other way. 

Edited October 12, 2015 by LadyChatts

[anthonyd46]

It's hard to say.  The last couple of weeks have really been skimping on photos (and as you said, it was likely due to the tribe swap).  I wonder if too much was getting out and being dissected in the promos/press photos and that is why, to avoid spoilers.  Why they would care after all this time I don't know, unless some major stuff happens down the road and they don't want to make it obvious.  If someone got hurt, they'd be hyping the heck out of that like they did for Kelly last season, even if they didn't show who it was.  I don't know if one tribe gets so far ahead or it is too obvious what is happening in the photos (but unless they showed us the exact outcome or something that no one could come from behind from, why would it matter?)  People have lost huge leads in these challenges, so even if it looked like one tribe was ahead, it could easily go the other way. 

 

Right no lead is impossible to lose. I guess they have just caught onto people spoiling them maybe? Not too sure. I noticed on sucks they said the person used two different cameras and even set the dates on the camera to a different year. So something is definitely up with that I guess they are trying to throw off people.

 

Oh and one other thing. Isn't it strange how the tribal council is supposed to be heated and promos don't mention TC at all. Usually with a TC like that they milk it like crazy in the promos.

Edited October 13, 2015 by anthonyd46

[LadyChatts]

Right no lead is impossible to lose. I guess they have just caught onto people spoiling them maybe? Not too sure. I noticed on sucks they said the person used two different cameras and even set the dates on the camera to a different year. So something is definitely up with that I guess they are trying to throw off people.

 

Oh and one other thing. Isn't it strange how the tribal council is supposed to be heated and promos don't mention TC at all. Usually with a TC like that they milk it like crazy in the promos.

 

That's why I'm wondering if it is very obvious this week (Angkor heading to tribal, another Abi vs whoever showdown) and they don't want to give anything minor detail away that may spoil it.  I do think it is interesting we got a few shots of the Bayon tribe at their camp, but everything else has been Angkor and the RC.  No Ta'Keo anywhere.  Or it is something involving Jeremy and his idol being found out (or speculated that he has it), and they don't want to make it seem like Bayon may be heading to TC.

 

If Angkor goes to TC, we know Tasha and Woo are safe because of the crying Tasha in the intro (unless that happens this ep).  Beyond that I think it could be anybody, though I think the "heated" is going to somehow involve Abi.  Whether she's the one trying to save herself or starts the argument between the two.

[Jextella]

Two cents:

Some of the talking head moments might be revealling.  These are what I think producers use to move the players/characters' stories along.

 

1. Monica talked about being small...could be she gets booted because she isn't helpful in challenges or around camp (plus she doesn't seem to have much of a social game).
2. Cierra talked about being fearless...could be she trys to make a move and gets blindsided.
3. Kass talked about treating people differently i.e. as real people.  Maybe she bonds too much and is also blindsided. 
4. Jeff talked about making it just shy of the jury and that he really wanted to make it that far this season; with all his air time thus far, I kind of think he doesn't make it.

 

Spencer and Jeremy's bonding moment could spell doom for their relationship if one turns on the other ... or it could be the two work together and go to the end.  In their seasons, Jeremy tried bonding/working with Keith and it failed. Spencer didn't bond and it failed.  Maybe this is the year of redemption for both - but with each other (this would be my dream final 2).  Or it could mean nothing at all beyond momentary entertainment.

 

Kelly Wentworth is interesting....we've seen her be both social and strategic not to mention good at challenges.  If some of the spoilers are true as outlined above, I wouldn't be surprised if she goes far.

[wonald]

Two cents:

Some of the talking head moments might be revealling.  These are what I think producers use to move the players/characters' stories along.

 

1. Monica talked about being small...could be she gets booted because she isn't helpful in challenges or around camp (plus she doesn't seem to have much of a social game).
2. Cierra talked about being fearless...could be she trys to make a move and gets blindsided.
3. Kass talked about treating people differently i.e. as real people.  Maybe she bonds too much and is also blindsided. 
4. Jeff talked about making it just shy of the jury and that he really wanted to make it that far this season; with all his air time thus far, I kind of think he doesn't make it.

 

Spencer and Jeremy's bonding moment could spell doom for their relationship if one turns on the other ... or it could be the two work together and go to the end.  In their seasons, Jeremy tried bonding/working with Keith and it failed. Spencer didn't bond and it failed.  Maybe this is the year of redemption for both - but with each other (this would be my dream final 2).  Or it could mean nothing at all beyond momentary entertainment.

 

Kelly Wentworth is interesting....we've seen her be both social and strategic not to mention good at challenges.  If some of the spoilers are true as outlined above, I wouldn't be surprised if she goes far.

 

Ciera - I think like Varner, she wants to craft her own narrative. She used the 'fearless' word before, during, and AFTER the season.

 

Spencer/Jeremy - Probst said that Spencer was looking for a mentor and found him. Obviously, it's Jeremy. This relationship will probably the key pair in this season.

Edited October 13, 2015 by wonald

[anthonyd46]

Sucks has been down since 3:30pm yesterday they must be having heart attacks that they can't access it and argue with each other.

[wonald]

Fish's People blog is finally up. No spoilers, of course, since Probst goes over it with a fine tooth comb but lots of interesting tidbits. LOTS.

 

I thought it interesting that Fish gave Tasha AND his nemisis Savage the Fishy when the show showed Tasha doing most of the work. Wonder if it's a consolation prize like it was for Shirin?

[anthonyd46]

Fish's People blog is finally up. No spoilers, of course, since Probst goes over it with a fine tooth comb but lots of interesting tidbits. LOTS.

 

I thought it interesting that Fish gave Tasha AND his nemisis Savage the Fishy when the show showed Tasha doing most of the work. Wonder if it's a consolation prize like it was for Shirin?

Thats a possibility. Another thing I noticed is he said there is competition between Kelly and Spencer we didn't really see that in the episode:

 

Spencer and Wiglesworth threw each under the bus – or, I guess in the new idiom of our times, kicked each other there. Both of them insisted they were at the very bottom of their tribes with no commitments to anybody. (Spencer, we saw last week, was telling the truth.)

 

Maybe this becomes something later?

[ProfCrash]

Please share a link to Fishback's blog. I can't seem to find it on People. No idea why

[wonald]

From Fish's POV, I thought it interesting that he (arguably) seemed to be more cordial to Kimmi than Kelly since I know he thought they might have a connection as F2 losers while he thought Kimmi was annoying. I liked the insight into nuBayon but - like Savage's ripped fingers - he was probably able to talk about it bc it has no effect on the outcome.

[LadyChatts]

http://www.people.com/article/survivor-cambodia-second-chance-stephen-fishbach-blog-peih-gee-law-voted-out Here you go ProfCrash!

 

I like that analysis Jextella.  With everyone obligated to keep saying "this is my second chance" and Probst talking about learning from past and not having destiny repeat itself, I think Andrew may also find himself just missing out on the merge.  Either that or he's going to overcome being screwed by the Outcast twist and make the jury this time.  That second tribe swap may be his undoing, however.

 

Varner is an interesting character.  I think it could go either way for him.  He's been such a big presence and narrator this season, that it would surprise me if he was in fact a pre-merge boot.  Probst said he's getting all the talk "for now", which makes sense since he's one of the few that's gotten screen time.  But I wonder if the "for now" means that Jeff won't be around much longer.  However, we've seen Jeff take a bit of a fall from calling the shots and making mischief to a careless mistake at the IC that could have led to his ouster.  And his new tribe is particularly fond of him.  With PG gone, Abi may set her sights on Jeff.  However, given what Abi said to Woo, Varner may have Woo as a shield for an upcoming vote.

Edited October 13, 2015 by LadyChatts

[Oscirus]

There is absolutely no way Terry was voted out and then conveniently pulled be cause of his son the next day, or whatever. Terry was doing well and his tribe is unlikely to lose a challenge.

 

You mean like when Tanya happened to be voted out in Thailand when something similar happened to her?  Also Terry's in the minority and Kelly is actively being shown throwing him under the bus.  I'm not saying that a Terry boot is even likely but to outright deny the possibility of something like that happening is careless.

 

It could also be that Jeremy's idol is in fact exposed, and someone uses that to their advantage.

 

 

It could happen, but I doubt it. If that got exposed this week, it feels like that would be a bigger deal by now.  There should be a promo or a teaser or something that hints at that by now. Also, while not outright saying it, Stephen's blog seems to be making an excuse as to why they didn't know about Jeremy's idol.

 

thought it interesting that Fish gave Tasha AND his nemisis Savage the Fishy when the show showed Tasha doing most of the work. Wonder if it's a consolation prize like it was for Shirin?

 

 

I think in their case it was more that they both benefitted from the move and they both put in the work so they both get the fishie.

 

That clip that was posted in this thread is starting to making me even more leery of Jeff's survival chances this week.

[anthonyd46]

http://www.people.com/article/survivor-cambodia-second-chance-stephen-fishbach-blog-peih-gee-law-voted-out Here you go ProfCrash!

 

I like that analysis Jextella.  With everyone obligated to keep saying "this is my second chance" and Probst talking about learning from past and not having destiny repeat itself, I think Andrew may also find himself just missing out on the merge.  Either that or he's going to overcome being screwed by the Outcast twist and make the jury this time.  That second tribe swap may be his undoing, however.

 

Varner is an interesting character.  I think it could go either way for him.  He's been such a big presence and narrator this season, that it would surprise me if he was in fact a pre-merge boot.  Probst said he's getting all the talk "for now", which makes sense since he's one of the few that's gotten screen time.  But I wonder if the "for now" means that Jeff won't be around much longer.  However, we've seen Jeff take a bit of a fall from calling the shots and making mischief to a careless mistake at the IC that could have led to his ouster.  And his new tribe is particularly fond of him.  With PG gone, Abi may set her sights on Jeff.  However, given what Abi said to Woo, Varner may have Woo as a shield for an upcoming vote.

Honestly regardless of Varner's placement how could you have edited him differently? Even if he won or placed 17th he was in the center of all 3 boots so far. You can't just pretend he doesn't exist. His thoughts/actions all had a major effect on the major events so far. So the "for now" thing could also just mean its necessary right now with his tribe losing so much. If his tribe starts winning he won't need to be featured at a big rate as he is now.

[loki567]

That's not a bad point, but I'm still guessing the boot list is false and Varner makes it the jury. 

[anthonyd46]

That's not a bad point, but I'm still guessing the boot list is false and Varner makes it the jury. 

Yea I am too

[cooksdelight]

Varner has been pretty quiet about Survivor this week on his two Facebook pages. Usually he's pumped up and telling people to watch. Not so much, at all, the past few days.

[anthonyd46]

Ok I've just come across some more info.

 

 

Here is a clip from the immunity challenge. This confirms there are 16 pieces. In that image I posted it looks like Angkor has at least 14. So they almost have them all.

 

Second bit of info. Redmond has hinted a certain podcast having spoilers at one point. I noticed they put up their episode 4 recap banner early.

 

 

If these guys really have inside info is one of those 5 the boot tomorrow? Could be nothing but least worth mentioning. Also for the record their pick this week to be the boot is Terry.

Edited October 14, 2015 by anthonyd46

[wonald]

I hate those brown-nosers D&D but they wouldnt spoil something like that. And I am pretty sure their prediction for wk 1 and 2 boot was Stephen and how did that work out?

[anthonyd46]

I hate those brown-nosers D&D but they wouldnt spoil something like that. And I am pretty sure their prediction for wk 1 and 2 boot was Stephen and how did that work out?

Yea I said it was a long shot, but I looked at their other banners and all of them had mostly group shots. This is the first banner to have all individuals in it. Just thought it was worth mentioning since Redmond had mentioned spoilers on their podcast before. Obviously the first bit of info I posted is more factual about Angkor having 14 of 16 pieces. Weird how they picked almost all bayon though.

Edited October 14, 2015 by anthonyd46

[LadyChatts]

Given the episode description I think it will be between Bayon and Angkor.  I wondered if the reason Terry decided to run in the challenge over Joe was to prove his worth.  He may assume that if Ta'Keo loses the IC, it will be between him and Kelley going home.  If he were to win that challenge for his tribe, he could try and persuade the strength argument (of course if he crashed and burned then Kelley would have ammo).  She's already planted the seed of Terry having the idol, and I'm sure Terry is doing dirty work, too.  

 

RE: Varner.  He's in an interesting position.  Based on what spoilers we have, he seems like an obvious target, but so do other members of his tribe (especially if we see crying Tasha tomorrow-and if Angkor blows a huge lead and loses the IC, we might get that).  That would put pretty much everyone on that tribe as a possibility, although Tasha will no doubt survive.  But it sure seems like nobody liked Jeff on Angkor.  If Tasha/Savage convince Woo to vote Varner, they may say to heck with what Abi Maria might want if she wanted to vote Woo off.  Going with 2 people from a former opposing tribe is probably better odds than sticking with your own former tribemates that blindsided you twice in a vote and leave you completely in the dark.  However, it is Woo.  Who knows what he would do.  Any spoiler indicating Jeff went to a certain point has now passed.  While I still like to think there has to be more than what we've seen to cause his issues with Tasha, I guess I can get it if this is it.  He may have heard things through the grapevine after being voted off about her and her game that further fueled the hate.  I can also see Varner possibly trolling people if he knew there was a boot list out there saying he was the next to go.  I don't believe there's anything out there about Abi lasting beyond this weeks vote, and if we see Tasha crying, that would mean Andrew and Woo could be on the chopping block, too.

 

I posted this earlier, but Jeff being the only male caller in the challenge might be an advantage for Angkor.  Of course Kimmi's voice is loud and distinct but having to listen for the only male voice might be a benefit for them.  And I no sooner thought that of Kimmi when I was watching that clip and Kelly Wigles told her to be louder.  This might be a close one.  I don't know if D&D would purposely put spoiler info on their podcast banner, but I have to say, those would be my pick for the 4 most vulnerable at Bayon.  I do think Spencer will survive the vote, but it may come down to him and whoever is getting voted off.  Maybe that's why he and Monica are snuggly, he's trying to get her to vote with him.

 

Honestly regardless of Varner's placement how could you have edited him differently? Even if he won or placed 17th he was in the center of all 3 boots so far. You can't just pretend he doesn't exist. His thoughts/actions all had a major effect on the major events so far. So the "for now" thing could also just mean its necessary right now with his tribe losing so much. If his tribe starts winning he won't need to be featured at a big rate as he is now.

 

 

In doing my re-watches of earlier seasons, and reading this comment, it made me think how different Survivor is now compared to then.  It was way more equal opporunity for face time, and you usually couldn't figure out who was losing the challenge that night or who was really going to get blindsided because they didn't focus on a select few.  But that is a good point.

Edited October 14, 2015 by LadyChatts

[anthonyd46]

Good post. Towards the end of the clip I noticed Keith had a hard time hearing Kass as well and he was standing right near her. While what we saw of Jeff they were understanding well. 

 

As far as the editing I feel like this season so far we are getting a by the episode edit. I felt the same as last season went on too. It seemed like the favorites changed every week even though Mike was the clear front runner one episode we would hear from Carolyn then she's ignored for 5 episodes. Then we hear from Hali and you dont hear from her for a couple. Maybe its just the new way of editing. One other thing last season Mike was not shaded from negativity. His tribe yelled at him, outcasted him, he was made to look stupid in the edit at times  etc. Winners are usually protected, but Mike wasn't.

Edited October 14, 2015 by anthonyd46

[Zuleikha]

Also Terry's in the minority and Kelly is actively being shown throwing him under the bus.  I'm not saying that a Terry boot is even likely but to outright deny the possibility of something like that happening is careless.

It does seem weird that so much time would be spent on Kelley throwing Terry under the bus since the working assumption is Terry leaves the game due to his son. Why spend limited episode time on something that doesn't matter at all? 

 

I will crack up if Terry is voted out and the one sure spoiler that we thought we had turns out to be (sort of) wrong.

[LadyChatts]

Good post. Towards the end of the clip I noticed Keith had a hard time hearing Kass as well and he was standing right near her. While what we saw of Jeff they were understanding well. 

 

As far as the editing I feel like this season so far we are getting a by the episode edit. I felt the same as last season went on too. It seemed like the favorites changed every week even though Mike was the clear front runner one episode we would hear from Carolyn then she's ignored for 5 episodes. Then we hear from Hali and you dont hear from her for a couple. Maybe its just the new way of editing. One other thing last season Mike was not shaded from negativity. His tribe yelled at him, outcasted him, he was made to look stupid in the edit at times  etc. Winners are usually protected, but Mike wasn't.

 

Kass mentioned, I think after the first episode, that Ta'Keo had  more of the colorful personalities than Bayon, especially the women.  It would be interesting how they would show it if Bayon had to go to TC before the swap.  So far the women are pretty much being ignored, except for those already voted off or who have had some significant impact (for better or worse) on the game (Kelley with her idol, Tasha, Abi).  In the case of Mike, since TPTB knew that he would be going to the final 3 and winning, his edit made perfect sense.  They could afford to paint him as a total obnoxious tool early on since they knew he'd be getting a big redemption edit down the road (and with what they had planned to show of Rodney, Dan, and Mike, it wasn't going to be hard to make Mike look good, especially with Shirin and the 3 invisibles floating around).  Carolyn was interesting, she got a big edit early on, then disappeared, and I know it was because she wasn't in any real danger of leaving until the episode of Dan's blindside-but she still seemed like one of those personalities you'd be hearing from.  Similarly with Sierra, she was probably the most forgettable of last season, and the only things I remember about her were a couple of TH where she talked big about turning on her blues, and then blowing her chances of staying in the game at the final 5.  I don't know if there's too much to show, or they want to focus more on the tribe that will be going to TC so we can see the dynamics/strategy of leading up to the vote, or they think viewers have short attention spans.  

 

I can see why they'd focus on Kelley throwing Terry under the bus (I wouldn't be surprised if we get something from Terry this episode about Kelley, even if it goes nowhere).  They may figure they need to show something going on over there.  I'm also not ruling out Terry being voted out.  Didn't the person who spoiled Terry leaving the game initially spoil his pre-game alliances as well?  Or did something that might have ruined his chance of being asked back?  I thought I read that, but maybe I have it wrong.

Edited October 14, 2015 by LadyChatts

[ProfCrash]

It might be possible that Terry knows he is leaving because of his son and suggests they vote him out at Tribal so that the tribe doesn't lose another person.

 

Here is a potential scenario.

 

Terry's family contacts Survivor, Danny is sick, Terry needs to know but he might not need to come home.

Terry's family calls, Danny is really, really sick and needs to come home. Terry is at the immunity challenge. Production starts looking at plane flights. Terry's tribe loses immunity.

Terry finishes the immunity challenge and is told about Danny. Terry calls home and knows he has to go home. Plane flight doesn't leave until the next morning.

Terry goes to Tribal and his tribe votes him out. He was leaving anyway, they are all very sad and worried. This action keeps someone else in the game.

[anthonyd46]

Kass mentioned, I think after the first episode, that Ta'Keo had  more of the colorful personalities than Bayon, especially the women.  It would be interesting how they would show it if Bayon had to go to TC before the swap.  So far the women are pretty much being ignored, except for those already voted off or who have had some significant impact (for better or worse) on the game (Kelley with her idol, Tasha, Abi).  In the case of Mike, since TPTB knew that he would be going to the final 3 and winning, his edit made perfect sense.  They could afford to paint him as a total obnoxious tool early on since they knew he'd be getting a big redemption edit down the road (and with what they had planned to show of Rodney, Dan, and Mike, it wasn't going to be hard to make Mike look good, especially with Shirin and the 3 invisibles floating around).  Carolyn was interesting, she got a big edit early on, then disappeared, and I know it was because she wasn't in any real danger of leaving until the episode of Dan's blindside-but she still seemed like one of those personalities you'd be hearing from.  Similarly with Sierra, she was probably the most forgettable of last season, and the only things I remember about her were a couple of TH where she talked big about turning on her blues, and then blowing her chances of staying in the game at the final 5.  I don't know if there's too much to show, or they want to focus more on the tribe that will be going to TC so we can see the dynamics/strategy of leading up to the vote, or they think viewers have short attention spans.  

 

I can see why they'd focus on Kelley throwing Terry under the bus (I wouldn't be surprised if we get something from Terry this episode about Kelley, even if it goes nowhere).  They may figure they need to show something going on over there.  I'm also not ruling out Terry being voted out.  Didn't the person who spoiled Terry leaving the game initially spoil his pre-game alliances as well?  Or did something that might have ruined his chance of being asked back?  I thought I read that, but maybe I have it wrong.

Yea I know Mike would get redemption later, but my point is usually winners don't have other people trashing them or being too negative to them they are kept away from the negativity. Mike was not kept away from the negativity. 

 

The terry spoiler was this:

 

06/12/15 07:27 PM (Day 14 Cambodia 6:27am) Terry Deitz has left the game for family reasons (post on sucks)

 

Then someone else a few minutes later pointed this out :

Or maybe it's about his son. His son (Danny Deitz)'s girlfriend posted on her instagram (@alexaguglielmino) a picture of her and Danny with caption "Keeping this goofball in my prayers tonight, I love you so much babe"

And in the comment : - @djdeitz praying for you brother

- stay strong babe, he is in my prayers too

 

Then the OP said : Trish said "Terry was doing very well, but I pulled him from the game," to me in a private message.

 

The admin at sucks deducted this:

 

Timestamp for the prayer instagram says afternoon of 6/11 (morning of Day 13), and we can assume the kid had already been in trouble by the time she posted. Impenetrable's conversation (which stated the family "had Terry taken out of the game") was timestamped the evening of 6/12 (morning of Day 14). Though we've already heard this season has some differences from other 20-man seasons, TDT's calendar estimate puts TC5 on Day 13.

Terry is very likely the fifth out, unless the early boots are more spaced out than expected, in which case he's fourth.

 

 

Then part 2:

 

A post from a different id :

 

my source is Impenetrableness (the OP). They deleted their account after they posted about Terry because I guess they got a lot of backlash from it. My source is Impenetrableness, and their source is TERRY, who was in the game. I also know tribe colors, they are Green, Yellow, and Orange. They do this because they split into 3 tribes at 18 players. You'd think they'd have purple in their but I guess they don't. I just got new info as well, I don't know who was booted before Terry left, and I don't want to know so I won't ask for this info. But, Woo, Keith, Joe, and Spencer were all also still in the game at that point.

 

Now they got the Green and Yellow right, but Pink was missing, however, Orange is the merge color. Keith, Joe, and Spencer I think are the close to locks to be there at the terry quit, but if woo really is there I have to wonder if Angkor is in fact safe tonight. 

 

So anyway the kid was already in trouble on the very early hours or Day 13 maybe before all we know is the girlfriend shared it on instagram then which means it either happened right then or before then. It could have happened as early as Day 12. Therefore if tonights TC is Day 11 theres no way Terry is the 6th boot as the list suggest if he is gone Day 12 or the morning of Day 13 it is possible he could be the 6th boot if he did not leave till the morning of Day 14 but i think he was gone before then as that is prob just when the family felt comfortable telling people. If tonights TC is Day 12 it is impossible for him to the be 6th boot as the latest the next could be booted is Day 14 night and they would only be the 5th. 

Edited October 14, 2015 by anthonyd46

[LadyChatts]

Thanks anthony!  If Varner is the next boot, I'm still taking that boot list with a grain of salt.  It was known early on, thanks to the slip in the promos, that Jeff was going to be on the new swapped tribe.  So it may have just been a good guess that Jeff would be one of the more vulnerable ones.  And, as you pointed out, Terry going in 6th place wouldn't work if he left on day 13.  Of course, if they have a double boot next episode where Terry withdraws and someone else gets voted off, maybe they had them mixed up.  

 

On Angkor, I think it is between Jeff and Abi-unless this is the episode where Tasha is crying like we saw in the intro shot, then it could be anyway.

Bayon, I'm saying Kelly Wigles, Monica, or Stephen.

Ta'Keo, if it is true Terry was pulled from the game and didn't get voted off, and I'd have to think Kelley Wentworth is safe, then I will go with Kass or Ciera.  Very big long shot it could be a Joe blindside.  But I'll stick with one of the other girls.

[anthonyd46]

We've now seen part of the challenge in that video. We see the other tribes are having problems hearing Kimmi and Kass, but Varner's tribe is hearing him perfectly. You mentioned this the other day how that might be an advantage. Keith is standing right next to Kass and can't hear a damn thing. Maybe Ta Keo does shockingly lose this one. Varner's seems to have his people in command and on the same page from his caller position. 

[LadyChatts]

I saw kind of an interesting theory about Varner mouthing Kimmi and Monica's names to Kelly. It was a theory that Jeff isn't as tightly aligned with Kimmi and he may have been signaling that Monica and Kimmi were aligned and needed to be split up-as sort of payback for Kimmi ratting out Jeff's one line vote during Iutback that helped cause his elimination. I don't think that was the case here, but kind of something to throw out there and maybe another possible duo battling it out in the "heated" TC.

[RealityWatAConcept]

Okay, last minute thoughts. I've kinda been swept up in the maybe it is not Angkor at TC tonight line of reasoning. Simply because they are so far ahead in the released IC picture. But, I just reviewed my earlier post and I am telling myself "Don't overthink this..."

 

I don't think there has been any discussion on one of the pieces of information I noted on my piece, 

 

Peih-Gee's comment on xfinity's interview"It’s really my own fault. If I said nothing and let Jeff go, he’d 100% be the one going home. They didn’t show it, but right after I was voted out, Tasha yelled out, “It shouldn’t have been you tonight. It should have been Jeff.” Anyway, it was my own fault. It would’ve only bought me three more days."

 

Is her comment of "It would've only bought me three more days" literal or more hypothetical? If Woo, her closest ally, is next to go and she knows this then she would realistically speculate that it would have been her in three days time. But this means that Angkor blew that huge lead and struggled hard with the puzzle in the IC. A possibility to be sure, but, if the picture is to be believed, two teams would have to overtake what seems an insurmountable lead for Angkor which seems unlikely.

 

So, I guess I am currently leaning to the idea that Angkor does not go to TC, Bayon does and it might be Monica and Spenser as the two in the 'plead for their lives situation' which also explains the release of the 'snuggle picture.' and my current guess is that Monica goes home.

[wonald]

yes, best not to overthink these.

 

i say - woo is the boot tonite.

[LadyChatts]

We got the Tasha crying shot from the intro-pretty much anyone from Angkor is vulnerable tonight.

[ToastnBacon]

That list is holding up so far.

[wonald]

Oh well, so much for the airport pic with Jeff, Kimmi, and Joe.

 

I'm sure the Sucks list has a lot of things right since it's obviously that Monica is going next. Kimmi even says that she is a 'snake in the grass' which is the title. The jury order is probably wrong tho and the winner is Spencer, not Jeremy. "Win when it counts!"

[anthonyd46]

Oh well, so much for the airport pic with Jeff, Kimmi, and Joe.

 

I'm sure the Sucks list has a lot of things right since it's obviously that Monica is going next. Kimmi even says that she is a 'snake in the grass' which is the title. The jury order is probably wrong tho and the winner is Spencer, not Jeremy. "Win when it counts!"

 

They did a pretty good job on the blindfold part, but once it was time for the puzzle they were all exhausted. Not really sure why Varner is so pissed at Tasha. I get the rat callout, but it seemed like it was so much more by the way he was describing it. What a 4 episode arc for him though I definitely thought he would at least be merge. I'm going to assume they were at the same airport now as theres only 2 other boots than Terry for pre-merge and Kimmi and Joe as those two would be very surprising. I also thought that finally since they were showing us some boot candidates at both camps and after Angkor won that RC that they were definitely finishing at least second in the IC. So it was a two day cycle. Next episode will also be a two day cycle. Day 12 and 13. Its confirmed its a 2 day cycle because there is a picture of probst at an empty reward table on Day 14 and they wouldn't have a reward challenge the same day as an immunity challenge (for a challenge that isn't combined. The list is accurate so far. I guess Terry really must make it to episode 6? Unless they end the episode with the quit they have done that in previous seasons Jeff comes to camp near the very end of the episode and they have this emotional quit and the episode ends. Also that boot list on sucks says (close to order) once the merge starts not exact order. Jeremy is going to get exposed soon they hinted at it tonight he flat out lied to Stephen. 

[LadyChatts]

Do we know Kimmi was referring to Monica as being a snake in the grass?  Looks like she got a little of Alicia's attitude rubbing off on her after all these years.  I think seeing Monica tonight for the 3rd time this season and talking about keeping the girls strong likely means she's in for a blindside next week or coming up.  Unless Angkor loses again and they are setting something up for down the line, or just needed to show the other tribes and picked that particular footage.  I think it is possible Terry is pulled from the game and they still have a boot.  I'm surprised they wouldn't have hyped it up in the promos more, but if they know that is out there, maybe they didn't want to make it obvious.

 

I'm still somewhat taking that bootlist with a grain of salt.  Jeff mentioned that the other Survivors all made it home before him and he was still stuck at the airport.  Maybe that's how he got the photo with Kimmi and Joe.  I wouldn't completely rule out Kimmi or Joe as being pre-merge boots.  If Kimmi ruffles feathers that could come back to bite her.  The weight loss could have came during her pre-jury trip wherever.  Joe may be seen as too big of a threat and he may get the short end of the stick when the new tribe swap happens (since everyone may anticipate the merge coming).