Sweet Fellowship: Duggars and Friends (aka the Bates Family and Other Featured Families Thread)

[Notabug]

Just now, farmgal4 said:

Is Amy also implying that she would rather die than live the rest of her life on a vent?  That’s kind of the feeling I’m getting but I could be wrong.

I suspect she's mostly saying that God will give her a miracle and she doesn't need medical assistance to make it happen.  I expect she is still a full code and fully expects that the medical professionals will jump in and save her if she arrests.  And Jesus will fix everything.  Unless she and her husband have signed a Do Not Resuscitate order, she is just referring to this intubation in this particular setting.  Obviously, there is no way to do a bronchoscopy without putting a tube in her throat.

[farmgal4]

2 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

That is exactly it, there is almost all the time something going on. 

Jill is a Level 10 drama queen.  Even if there’s nothing is going on, Jill makes it seem like there is.

[mythoughtis]

Amy is a quadriplegic. I think she might have partial use of her arms?  She was told that she might not get off a ventilator after the procedure. All she really has is her eyes, ears, voice.      If she’s on a ventilator, she can’t speak to her kids.  If she’s even conscious.   I can understand her point.  

Edited Tuesday at 12:07 AM by mythoughtis

[Notabug]

7 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

Amy is a quadriplegic. I think she might have partial use of her arms?  She was told that she might not get off a ventilator after the procedure.    If she’s on a ventilator, she can’t speak to her kids.  If she’s even conscious.   I can understand her point.  

If her lungs don't improve, she will still end up on a ventilator and perhaps unable to be weaned from it. That is if she doesn't suffer a respiratory arrest and die.  Refusing the bronchoscopy does not guarantee she will not need a ventilator anyway at some point, nor that she won't deteriorate to the point where she can't speak to her children.  I presume the doctors are looking at all possible options and trying to predict what option gives her the best chance of surviving this life threatening infection and, in their opinion, her best chance is with the bronchoscopy.  If she doesn't survive, speaking to her kids is beside the point.  Also, there are multiple options for people who are ventilator dependent to communicate with their loved ones.

Amy does have some limited use of her arms.

Edited Monday at 10:06 PM by Notabug

[oliviabenson]

at least they went to the hospital. I expected them to cure Amy with plexus and some magic essential oils. 

Amy and family must have told Jill to be quiet or she is told nothing! 

[ginger90]

Jill has replied at least twice to posts:

 

I am so thankful for a miracle working God!  😊  Praying.  We love your family!  ❤️

 

Praying lots.  🥰😊

[satrunrose]

Okay, so I over think emojis, but here I've been going back and forth on whether Jill is doing the compassionate thing by staying out of everyone's way or the selfish Jill thing by not going to offer support. Seeing those messages, which read like a response to something like being stuck at the airport for Christmas (frustrating and disappointing, but not life or death) has officially made my mind up. Jill is...something else...

 

Wonder what the three Christmas ghosts would show her if they paid her a visit tonight.

Edited Tuesday at 05:05 PM by satrunrose

[merylinkid]

19 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

I can understand her point.

I can too.   I would be afraid of going on a vent and then never coming off.   Vents damage the lungs and if you already have damaged lungs you might be afraid of doing more. 

Amy is presumably competent to make her own medical decisions.   The doctors have presumably explained all options to her.  If she is choosing to not have a procedure right now, that is her right.  We don't know for sure thet are just trusting god will perform a miracle.   I mean she is in a hospital so they trust medical science at least somewhat.   So let's just presume she is making her own free choice to not have a medical procedure for reasons unrelated to her religious beliefs.

[Salacious Kitty]

I don't think they can separate their religious beliefs from any important decisions they make. 

Eta: Kevin's latest post said that God gave Amy the strength to do a new treatment, and her most recent x-ray showed improvement. So yeah, God is all over her recovery. 

Edited Tuesday at 10:19 PM by Salacious Kitty

[Minivanessa]

Today's update on Jill's sister, from the Praying for Amy Foster FB page. It's good that there are signs of improvement, but I assume she's still in serious condition.

 

[Salacious Kitty]

There's been no indication that she's been moved from the ICU. 

[Minivanessa]

5 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

There's been no indication that she's been moved from the ICU. 

Correct. 

[oliviabenson]

her kids are just anxious and sad and probably crying and are worried sick about Mom Amy. I wish her a speedy recovery.

[ginger90]

Jill’s reply on the most recent post:

“My heart feels so much cheerier hearing this news!  Will continue to pray!  🥰😊”

 

Isn’t that great! 🤦‍♀️

[satrunrose]

So, to be clear, the same woman who wept for days over internet meanies saying she shouldn't be spreading her son's (lack of) sex life all over Hell and creation is reacting to her sister spending Christmas in the ICU and being at risk of going going on a ventilator by having a less "cheery" heart. Sweet Baby Jesus indeed. 

[oliviabenson]

Jill says you can take lots of these for pain and inflammation. it's as good as Tylenol/Advil...

yikes.

Edited Wednesday at 08:57 PM by oliviabenson

[Absolom]

For the turmeric alone the potential side effects for taking too much are enough to keep me away from indiscriminate use.

[Salacious Kitty]

Yeah, she says you can basically pop these like candy. WTAF???

[Salacious Kitty]

Jill threw a party for the Amish neighbors. At least she didn't show them for once. But this is weird. Is she surprised that they have heavy outerwear? 

[andromeda331]

Amy's improving? I hope she continues to.

[merylinkid]

9 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Is she surprised that they have heavy outerwear? 

Consdiering she lets her kids freeze to death rather than dress them for the weather - probably yes.

As for that response, well so glad  YOU feel better Jill.

Merry Christmas to all you celebratate.   Chag Sameach to those who celebrate.

[Absolom]

14 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Yeah, she says you can basically pop these like candy. WTAF???

Jill wants to play how to kill her liver apparently.

Edited Wednesday at 04:40 PM by Absolom

[oliviabenson]

no wonder Jill seems high/out of it frequently! girly is on plexus pillses highhhh 24/7/365. that pink drink must be pure poison.

Edited Wednesday at 08:59 PM by oliviabenson

[oliviabenson]

Jill's says: if you got extra Xmas money  treat yourself buy plexus products. what the fudge. this lady is truly delulu and nuts.

[Salacious Kitty]

Amy update. She seems to be improving.

[oliviabenson]

yes let's all pray for Amy to take massive bowel movements. I wouldn't want anyone posting online about my bowel movements and secretions. 

[Salacious Kitty]

And blame doctors/nurses rather than thanking them for saving Amy's life. 

Edited Wednesday at 09:43 PM by Salacious Kitty

[oliviabenson]

God is healing Amy not doctors or medicine. I wonder if anyone in that family even gets the flu shot.

[Notabug]

On 12/24/2024 at 4:47 PM, Salacious Kitty said:

There's been no indication that she's been moved from the ICU. 

If she still needs 9L of oxygen and intermittent use of BiPap; she is nowhere near stable enough to be out of the ICU.  The 15 liters of oxygen she had been on is a tremendous amount, which explains why her doctors thought a ventilator would benefit her.  By the time someone is getting about 15 liters of O2, which can only be delivered by certain specialized oxygen masks, you've pretty much reached the limit of what can be done without intubation or invasive technique.  The concentration of oxygen with 15L/minute of flow is more than twice the amount in room air.  That may not seem like a lot, but the human body is pretty cool in that even a tiny bit more oxygen in the air being inhaled can result in big changes in the amount of oxygen in the blood.  If you studied physiology at all, you probably remember the oxyhemoglobin dissociation curve which explains the whole thing with a graph.

BiPap machines are similar to the breathing apparatus that many people with sleep apnea use.  The Pap is positive airway pressure.  The mask fits tightly over the face and delivers oxygen under pressure to try to force the airways open to get oxygen to the entire lung.  The pressure alternates between strong and not so strong which essentially forces air into the lungs and then lets it out.  It is used a fair amount by people with ALS or other neuromuscular diseases that weaken the muscles used for breathing.  It passively forces the lungs to fill and empty without the patient needing to make the effort.

Oxyhemoglobin dissociation curve for the science geeks

ETA: Just read that she is now only needing 3L of oxygen which is a huge improvement.  Good for her.  People with pneumonia often need oxygen for quite a while and are frequently sent home from the hospital with it.  Due to Amy's overall fragile state and the family's seeming resistance to fairly common medical interventions; I think it is unlikely she will be discharged unless she is on room air.

Edited 22 hours ago by Notabug

[Salacious Kitty]

She's down to 3L of O2 according to Kevin's last update. Of course, this was hours ago, so may not be true now. I believe Bipap was mentioned in an earlier post, but it's unclear if she's still undergoing that treatment. 

eta Kevin's latest post sort of alluded to the fact that she wouldn't go home with O2. In her condition, that makes sense. 

Edited 21 hours ago by Salacious Kitty

[oliviabenson]

now Jill is saying: if you prediabetic or diabetic plexus can help you reverse diabetes, cut back on insulin or get rid of it all together.

 

some one can believe her and die because there is no way plexus cures diabetes especially insulin depending one.

this chick definitely deserves to be reported and her sm cancelled.

[BetyBee]

49 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

now Jill is saying: if you prediabetic or diabetic plexus can help you reverse diabetes, cut back on insulin or get rid of it all together.

 

some one can believe her and die because there is no way plexus cures diabetes especially insulin depending one.

this chick definitely deserves to be reported and her sm cancelled.

She is way out of line, saying that! 

[Notabug]

15 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

She is way out of line, saying that! 

She is also totally wrong.  I believe that Plexus is very clear with its sales crew that they may NOT discuss any specific medical benefits of the product.  Because there are none and the FDA doesn't like it when they lie to sell stuff.

[oliviabenson]

if plexus slim worked Jill and David would be trim. neither one looks like a picture of health.

[ginger90]

It’s very easy to report posts that contain false information.

[CalicoKitty]

How many times is she allowed to give dangerous health advise before her Plexus card gets pulled?  I am so surprised that the Plexus company is not under investigation for product ingredients and false advertising. Jill may be selling product, I would guess the company would be sued if Jill's advise killed someone.  I would think the company would ditch her because she is a legal liability.  Telling people it is safe during pregnancy and for infants and children is dangerous, too.  And people are paying a lot of money for this product. (shakes head)

[merylinkid]

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

It’s very easy to report posts that contain false information.

Don't report the post, report it to Plexus.    No more trips for JillyBean 

[crazy8s]

From Reddit - all mention of Samuel and Brianne's courtship has been removed from Jill's content.

Thanksgiving with the Rod clan in their own environment must have frightened her off.

[PradaKitty]

Jill’s new video is all about the gifts SHE received for Christmas. Dave got her a choker to enhance the beauty of her fat neck. She also got cowgirl boots with sparkles. I’m pretty sure they’re used. 

[Salacious Kitty]

Just went through Jill's Christmas stories. Phillip looks MISERABLE. 

[ginger90]

36 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

From Reddit - all mention of Samuel and Brianne's courtship has been removed from Jill's content.

Thanksgiving with the Rod clan in their own environment must have frightened her off.

What a shock!

[BradandJanet]

Bri appears to be selling some of her clothes (sorry, Curdled Cream Boutique) because she's moving to Alaska. That's quite a jump from Florida, but there are a lot of men in Alaska. I'm just assuming that's part of her thinking. 

[Salacious Kitty]

Not surprised about the split. Brigot played that game out. 

Amy update. She continues to improve.

 

[oliviabenson]

I’m sorry but anything gut makes me picture Jill and I bust out laughing.

Healthy gut healthy butt!

[Notabug]

57 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

From Reddit - all mention of Samuel and Brianne's courtship has been removed from Jill's content.

Thanksgiving with the Rod clan in their own environment must have frightened her off.

Interesting!  So, all of the disruption to do the photo session in the midst of Tim's wedding and reception was for naught.  Typical Jill.

I wonder if Brianne was scared off by Jill's invasion of Tim and Heidi's privacy and her refusal to back down even when called out on it by Heidi's family?

I've been to Alaska.  Met a lovely woman who had lived there all of her life; she was a veterinarian, also on the local city council. Mid 30's, very pretty, great personality.  She joked about not being married.  I asked how that could be since woman like her were scarce while men were plentiful.  Her response; "You know what they say about Alaskan men; Your odds are good but the goods are odd."  It seems a lot of the men up there aren't exactly hard working or productive. Kind of like Dave Rodrigues. Brianne might fit right in.

Edited 6 hours ago by Notabug

[dargosmydaddy]

Brianne and Jill deserved one another, but I admit I feel relieved for Sam.

[oliviabenson]

I think Jill scared her off. Or Sam didn’t propose fast enough. 

[Salacious Kitty]

1 hour ago, BradandJanet said:

Bri appears to be selling some of her clothes (sorry, Curdled Cream Boutique) because she's moving to Alaska. That's quite a jump from Florida, but there are a lot of men in Alaska. I'm just assuming that's part of her thinking. 

I know she sells on Poshmark, but I can't find her. Anyone got a link? TIA!

[CalicoKitty]

I wonder if Brianne showed her own opinion on something that was against Jill's opinion, or if Brianne figured it was time to try a new con.  To me, she always looked like she was playing a role instead of being herself.  I still think she was undercover to get info for a book, or documentary, or something like that.  It will be interesting to see what her wardrobe will be like in Alaska.  You have to wear pants there.  It is colder than Ohio.  I doubt that engagement princess gown and gloves will be making the move.  How is she getting money to support herself?  I still think she is an undercover writer.

[Salacious Kitty]

27 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

I wonder if Brianne showed her own opinion on something that was against Jill's opinion, or if Brianne figured it was time to try a new con.  To me, she always looked like she was playing a role instead of being herself.  I still think she was undercover to get info for a book, or documentary, or something like that.  It will be interesting to see what her wardrobe will be like in Alaska.  You have to wear pants there.  It is colder than Ohio.  I doubt that engagement princess gown and gloves will be making the move.  How is she getting money to support herself?  I still think she is an undercover writer.

About a month ago, a relative of Bri's did an AMA on a FB fundie snark page. They confirmed that what you see is real. And she's modulated her voice to sound more submissive.