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S06.E01: Loser Like Me / S06.E02: Homecoming


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Maybe it's me, but even Finchel seemed to get along better in a fundamental level than Klaine.

The show cheats, because they want to show Blaine puppy dog in love, needy and insecure, yet when Kurt rants about the 3 hour fight over toothpaste Blaine snaps back to show it really was an issue. As usual they are fighting while not really communicating. Kurt was obviously having second thoughts about getting married and Blaine was overcompensating by being wedding plans " busy".

Kurt finds living with Blaine "exhausting" and Blaine finds Kurt aloof and distant.

They just seem so fucking incompatible.

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I always thought Finchel not only loved each other, but liked each other. I don't get that with Klaine.

Tbh, I get that with all of the main couples other than Klaine. With all the various dysfunction, they seem to like each other. Klaine only seem to like each other when they aren't together.

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I always thought Finchel not only loved each other, but liked each other. I don't get that with Klaine.

I never got more than that they wanted each other on a chemical level, same with Klaine recently. Neither pair seemed to have much in common. Finchel never did beyond being impressed by each other's talent/popularity. Klaine did seem to be genuine best friends in season 2, but they went to special effort to destroy any hint of that over multiple seasons of endless bickering to show they outgrew each other in every possible way. Neither couple had any business destroying each other's lives by the time we saw the last of them. Klaine aren't going to escape being stuck together at the end with swelling music and an endgame anvil of forced happiness. Rachel might escape if she can wiggle out of Finn's discarded plot of run the Glee club and save the arts. I'm just sad that either she or Mercedes are stuck being tied to Sam the unambitious only straight dude left standing. 

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I thought the episodes were okay written and I liked the second one for the most part, but good god, some of it was downright amateurish. Nobody is even trying at this point, are they?

 

I usually don't think Darren Criss is the worst actor on Glee (he falls somewhere between serviceable and mediocre for me), but the breakup scene was odd. I really didn't get what tone they were going for. Some of the stuff they said was pretty over the top, but they made all those dramatic faces. That said, wouldn't surprise me if they didn't do more than one or two takes of all those scenes and that might have been a problem. I mean, they clearly didn't do more than one take of the Mustang Sally scene where the girls doing their background dancing obviously screwed up and cracked up about it.

 

 

I never got more than that they wanted each other on a chemical level, same with Klaine recently. Neither pair seemed to have much in common. Finchel never did beyond being impressed by each other's talent/popularity.

Finchel hung out a lot, even when not dating. Sure, part of that was that they were attracted to each other, but they did spend a lot of time together and sought each other out for advice, company, etc.

Same went for Klaine before S4 tanked the pairing good and hard.

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That said, wouldn't surprise me if they didn't do more than one or two takes of all those scenes and that might have been a problem.

And that might've been the best they could get out of DC.

Finchel hung out a lot, even when not dating. Sure, part of that was that they were attracted to each other, but they did spend a lot of time together and sought each other out for advice, company, etc.

Same went for Klaine before S4 tanked the pairing good and hard.

That's how I remember it, too. Finn and Rachel interacted a lot and while Rachel obviously had a crush on him from the start, they still were friendly toward each other and sought each other out for advice/companionship. Their relationship wasn't just attraction based.

Darren's acting in the break-up scene has been getting a lot of praise from media and fans alike.

Curious, what media? (Not sure who's critically talking about Glee out there.) Hey, it's all subjective, so it's gonna work for some. Edited by indeed
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Who are they trying to kid that the old newbies transferred out. If they're not at McKinley, they're not in school. Unless waitresses and dinnerladies can suddenly afford private school. So arts in education is important, but actual education of the poor women and minorities, not so much.

When I was in high school, one could easily transfer to any school within the district. I can believe that Jake, Ryder and Marley were sent to other public schools within their district. Since I doubt we'll see Marley's mom again, I'll bet she found work at another school. 

 

Of course this is Glee, so Ryder probably wound up going to the school for the deaf while Marley is at the school with the former convicts. 

 

One song I was surprised to enjoy was Suddenly Seymour. I thought it worked very well with Darren's voice, and is the kind of role I could see him thrive in. I think he is absolutely a Broadway singer, and this song was a good choice for him. 

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I never saw Darren as the worst actor ever that gets touted by some here and by certain fan groups. He seems pretty average and in the bad spot of being a late addition who got more attention than others causing resentment. Most of this cast is similarly average. He did okay with what can only be described as fail on the page. His major problem is he's often opposite people like Chris who can make that same level of idiocy look like it has some merit due to being really good in the face of that same level of fail. Some of them can rise above the awful material presented. That's impressive and deserves major credit, but I don't feel a great need to trash those who can't. It's really, really hard to rise above shit on the page. 

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One thing about Finchel, is they always seemed to treat the other's idiosyncrasies with fond indulgence.  Sometimes it veered into condescension, but even that seemed to come from a place of affection.  With Klaine, even in Season 2, Kurt was a little annoyed and over Blaine's flaws.  

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Pointing out someone's weakness in a scene is hardly trashing them. If someone can't hold their own in a scene, it shouldn't be other actors' faults for seemingly being better. DC can be a decent actor at times and good with comedy, but when it comes to "dramah", not so much. YMMV, of course.

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I thought Darren sounded pretty bad on " Suddenly Seymour." He has a pleasant voice, but Broadway songs aren't his forte.

They aren't, but the arrangement wasn't even the Broadway version by the end. It did Lea no favors either. It's like they were asking themselves what Celine would do considering all those unnecessary runs at the end. I'm not sure what they're thinking half the time with the music. Who even wanted another cover of Let it Go? Everybody who can hit that note, and some who can't, have given that one a shot.

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In context, I think Let It Go worked, as Rachel letting go of her own nervous breakdown and trying to get back in the game.  It wasn't as much letting go of everyone else's criticism, but her own self-doubt and self-hatred.  Plus, there are some times when I prefer the sound of Lea's voice to Idina's, and vocally, I liked this cover.  

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Who the hell knows anymore with this show what's intentional and what's gross incompetence or even grosser indifference, but it seemed like Blaine was in turns embarrassed and/or a little skeeved (not irritated but eye rolley if you know what I mean) with Karofsky's simpering infatuation which perhaps was reminiscent of his clinginess/neediness toward Kurt. Yogi and Boo Boo indeed.

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Who the hell knows anymore with this show what's intentional and what's gross incompetence or even grosser indifference, but it seemed like Blaine was in turns embarrassed and/or a little skeeved (not irritated but eye rolley if you know what I mean) with Karofsky's simpering infatuation which perhaps was reminiscent of his clinginess/neediness toward Kurt. Yogi and Boo Boo indeed.

That was really uncomfortable to watch. The mix of screwed up history amongst all three and the disconnect in how they were each playing it made me unsure if I was experiencing secondhand embarrassment or just wanted them all to go somewhere offscreen to talk out their problems with a more competent therapist than any of the three have seen offscreen. I don't think this plot is sending the message the writers meant it to. I think they wanted a conflict for Klaine and to show that Dave is all better now, but instead they all seem completely obsessed with their high school crushes and the people who crushed on their high school crushes. Can we mail all three to different countries chosen at random for a semester abroad to get over this obsession? No dating anybody who went to any high school you used to attend for any of you! 

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I have a 102-degree fever so I might have just been hallucinating, but I kind of really enjoyed both episodes. And I HATE this show.

 

Rachel/Lea is just adorable, I love her, and I really liked her outfits (this coming from someone who hates fashion; clearly I am tripping on cold medication).

 

Loved that “postmodern gay” (ugh what a meaningless catchphrase) called Kurt out on not wanting to have GAY be his main descriptor, which is what Kurt was always for me. True, he might be a jerk, but I enjoyed his scenes.

 

I never watched the seasons with the original newbies, but this batch was quite fun. With the exception of the hugely annoying girl. Like, it’s all-male singing group. Pick a different battle. If she were a part of an all-girl singing group, I don’t think letting male members in would sound great to anyone. It’s OKAY to separate some things by gender. Not everything is some Title IX violation or something to throw a pointless fight about.

 

Really, really, really sick of Sue. It’s just not funny. It only ever was funny in the first five episodes of the series.

 

The moral of the story seems to be that the more masculine and willing to use your fists you are, the more likely it is you'll be accepted no matter what your sexual orientation is. While I suspect that's fairly true, it seems not the point Glee wanted to make. As usual, they undermined their own message.

 

I don’t know – if two kids deliberately set out to bully you/beat you up for being gay, and you fight them, I don’t see a problem with that. They never bothered him again. It’s better than being a whiny Kurt-like martyr for years.

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One song I was surprised to enjoy was Suddenly Seymour. I thought it worked very well with Darren's voice, and is the kind of role I could see him thrive in. I think he is absolutely a Broadway singer, and this song was a good choice for him. 

This was an example of how not Broadway Darren is. His approach wasn't BW at all either. Darren can do well with pop and standards, and cabaret-style shows for Broadway tunes when he doesn't have to project and keep up with co-stars. 

 

They aren't, but the arrangement wasn't even the Broadway version by the end. It did Lea no favors either. It's like they were asking themselves what Celine would do considering all those unnecessary runs at the end. I'm not sure what they're thinking half the time with the music. Who even wanted another cover of Let it Go? Everybody who can hit that note, and some who can't, have given that one a shot.

I thought it was poppified to suit Darren but since he can't keep up with Lea and was totally drowned by her, came out messy even by that standard.

 

 

I don’t know – if two kids deliberately set out to bully you/beat you up for being gay, and you fight them, I don’t see a problem with that. They never bothered him again. It’s better than being a whiny Kurt-like martyr for years.

It's gonna work if you are 6ft tall and muscled jock. If you're Kurt, not so much. But even the "whiny" Kurt got in the face of his bully to defend himself. 

 

 

I usually don't think Darren Criss is the worst actor on Glee (he falls somewhere between serviceable and mediocre for me), but the breakup scene was odd. I really didn't get what tone they were going for. Some of the stuff they said was pretty over the top, but they made all those dramatic faces.

The show likes to mix tones (like mixing pathos and drama with ironic detachment and absurdist comedy), how effectively is another matter. But in terms of acting this is an added hurdle which some actors can while others can't get over. People like Jayma, Chris, Lea, can navigate different tones within a single scene, Darren can't. And I agree with those who think Darren's worse in dramatic scenes, he can do comedy though he can overact there too. He does better when the character is closer to his real self or the tone is more naturalistic, that's why he was better when Blaine was introduced and wasn't overacting or OTT (at least not so much, one indication of the things to come was when Blaine got pissed with Kurt in the Lima Bean scene in BIOTA). It was when the character was recalibrated to fit into the MKH wackiness, and deaged, when his troubles got going.

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I don’t know – if two kids deliberately set out to bully you/beat you up for being gay, and you fight them, I don’t see a problem with that. They never bothered him again. It’s better than being a whiny Kurt-like martyr for years.

Sure, but it's hardly an answer to the bullying gay kids problem. Not every kid has fists of doom and can beat up their bullies. You're only okay if you're enough of a man to beat your bullies into the ground, otherwise enjoy the slushies and swirlies. It's not exactly a good message there. How about we don't bully anybody gay, straight, av club, band geek or wheelchair kid? He's not really helping by pretending it's all over because he has fists and can use them. Neither is Glee.

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I don't think Darren was drowned out by Lea(because the volume gets adjusted after recording iirc), but he was audibly struggling to keep up with her.

That's what I meant. I wasn't talking about the technical parameters of the volume. 

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Just watched the two episodes, and I thought they did a surprisingly decent job of setting up how everyone ended up in high school again.  The Rachel TV fail was way over-the-top, but it did create the emotional setup for going back to Glee Club.  When I read that they would be essentially doing a reset/retread of Season 1, it sounded so tiresome, but setting the scene with Sue's conversion of McKinley made the "battle" of re-creating the Glee Club alright.  

 

The main weak thread was the Blaine/Kurt breakup.  That scene was really poorly written, and clearly meant as setup.  Kurt was way too harsh in that scene and got to be the bad guy and then putting Blaine and Karofsky together made Blaine the bad guy.  It felt very contrived just to create drama this season.

 

The newbies were alright.  I hope they bring back Marley, Ryder and Jake for a cameo this season at least.

 

The second episode had a nice feel as they worked together to recruit new members.  Though realistically, it was stranger danger and Sue should have kicked them all out of the premises.  

 

On a minor note, who the hell photocopies without putting the top down.

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How about we don't bully anybody gay, straight, av club, band geek or wheelchair kid?

 

To me that's as unrealistic goal as telling people they shouldn't steal, cheat, or be mean to people. It's a good goal, but it's never going to happen.

 

He's not really helping by pretending it's all over because he has fists and can use them. Neither is Glee.

 

I like his attitude about it, though. True, not everyone is strong enough to fight someone off, but he made it clear that he wouldn't be pushed around by them. Glee isn't endorsing that as the sole viewpoint on the matter. It's just presenting another way of thinking about it.

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I don't think Darren was drowned out by Lea(because the volume gets adjusted after recording iirc), but he was audibly struggling to keep up with her.

I felt that while Lea sounded lovely as always, she did not work well for the song. She started out belting which didn't allow her to slowly build. She lacked a meekness that works well for that song. I would have liked to hear Darren do that song with another performer. 

 

Which, for me, is odd, as I love Lea's voice and almost any of her Broadway numbers are instant hits for me. 

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Loved that “postmodern gay” (ugh what a meaningless catchphrase) called Kurt out on not wanting to have GAY be his main descriptor, which is what Kurt was always for me. True, he might be a jerk, but I enjoyed his scenes.

 

 

I really liked Spencer too.   And I got his point, both he and Kurt are gay but that's the ONLY thing they have in common.   Could you see Spencer sniveling and breaking down into tears in a bathroom stall?

 

To be fair he was a jerk to everyone.   Throwing his cup of water at Sam, telling Rachel her show sucked and he even had the steel to go toe to toe with Sue, purposely leaving off her title of Principle.  I liked him.  Being gay is nothing close to being his defining characteristic which is a nice change.

 

Rachel/Lea is just adorable, I love her, and I really liked her outfits (this coming from someone who hates fashion; clearly I am tripping on cold medication).

 

 

OMG I know.  LOVED all of them I don't care how teaching appropriate they weren't. LOL.  I may have to keep watching this season for the clothes porn.

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The problem is that Darren's voice doesn't have enough power for Broadway songs. I think any of the guys other than Chris, Matt, and possibly Kevin would sound out of place singing them. Those three might not be everyone's cup of tea, but technically speaking they can handle those songs.

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I really liked Spencer too.   And I got his point, both and Kurt are gay but that's the ONLY thing they have in common.   Could you see Spencer sniveling and breaking down into tears in a bathroom stall?

 

To be fair he was a jerk to everyone.   Throwing his cup of water at Sam, telling Rachel her show sucked and he even had the steel to go toe to toe with Sue, purposely leaving off her title of Principle.  I liked him.  Being gay is nothing close to being his defining characteristic which is a nice change.

First, nice stereotyping here that if a gay man cries with heartbreak, he's a snivelling queen. I guess it's better if he trashes a table or beats the other guy up. 

 

Second, Kurt didn't define himself by being gay. He defined himself by being talented and looking for recognition and success, i.e. by his drive. In that, he's similar to Rachel. That was always how he wanted others to see him. The others though, esp. tptb in the show's world (like the WSS casting), saw him as gay, and an effeminate gay at that.

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Second, Kurt didn't define himself by being gay

 

The show defined Kurt as being the gay guy. A flamboyant, snarky, effeminate, perpetual victim who likes to lecture others. That was nearly all of his storylines in the show. It was his defining feature.

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I really liked Spencer too. And I got his point, both he and Kurt are gay but that's the ONLY thing they have in common. Could you see Spencer sniveling and breaking down into tears in a bathroom stall?

No way! Everyone knows that masculine men don't cry except maybe for one manly tear that escapes their eye when their mama or grandmama kicks the bucket.

Plus, they don't feel deeply for other people, they just stand around being super manly and dry eyed. Way to be awesome, Spencer!

The show defined Kurt as being the gay guy. A flamboyant, snarky, effeminate, perpetual victim who likes to lecture others. That was nearly all of his storylines in the show. It was his defining feature.

That's how you define him. A lot of us see him in an entirely different and favorable light and my guess is if you asked most people responsible for bringing Kurt to the screen they would agree to a person that they weren't trying to create the character you see.

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Rachel's crash and burn was pretty epic, but entirely self-inflicted. I get having those closest to her wanting to cheer her up, but she really does need some tough love and not this endless stream of sunshine blown up her ass. Someone has got to point out that she was a dumbass for burning every bridge that she crossed along the way and made all these choices herself. I'm curious to see how this is going to translate to her earning a second bite at the Broadway apple (now that it's her dream again).

I think her friends were coming from a place that she was already beating herself up enough. Having said, that, when a show is really bad, is it really the actor's fault? That's so Rachel was awful writing - Rachel was an idiot for not realising how bad it was (or maybe realising it but powering through because she'd burnt her bridges) - but it wasn't only her fault. The crash of the TV show I mean. Having Broadway lost to her is on her. BUT, I don't think Rachel indicated in anyway that she wasn't sorry or that she didn't realise she'd been silly. Her friends were basically asking her to buck up and pick herself up, which is not bad advice. 

 

Seriously, they've been gone two years. Why are the students talking like the Originals are from another generation altogether? 

I don't know, I'm surprised. In high school, even a year older can seem like a generation gap - wouldn't it be a whole different iPhone model?

 

In context, I think Let It Go worked, as Rachel letting go of her own nervous breakdown and trying to get back in the game.  It wasn't as much letting go of everyone else's criticism, but her own self-doubt and self-hatred.  Plus, there are some times when I prefer the sound of Lea's voice to Idina's, and vocally, I liked this cover.  

i like Lea's voice too and enjoyed the song. But (and maybe it's because I was looking forward to it, and was lost in the emotion of the episode), I don't think Lea (or Rachel) put in enough emotion there. When i compare Idina's emotion in the song, vs. Lea's, I don't think Let It Go measured up.. 

 

I don't think Darren was drowned out by Lea(because the volume gets adjusted after recording iirc), but he was audibly struggling to keep up with her.

Again, Lea's probably my favourite Western female singer ever, apart from Judy Garland (okay, maybe Julie Andrews), but I thought she was way to shouty on this. Having not heard the original I was left wondering if that's true of the original one too. 

 Could you see Spencer sniveling and breaking down into tears in a bathroom stall?

 

If he were a real man he would if the situation warranted it. Real men can and do cry ;-)

 

First, nice stereotyping here that if a gay man cries with heartbreak, he's a snivelling queen. I guess it's better if he trashes a table or beats the other guy up. 

 

Second, Kurt didn't define himself by being gay. He defined himself by being talented and looking for recognition and success, i.e. by his drive. In that, he's similar to Rachel. That was always how he wanted others to see him. The others though, esp. tptb in the show's world (like the WSS casting), saw him as gay, and an effeminate gay at that.

 

This. 

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The second episode had a nice feel as they worked together to recruit new members.  Though realistically, it was stranger danger and Sue should have kicked them all out of the premises.  

Especially with the reputations and behaviour of most of them in high school. I think Mercedes and Tina would be the only ones allowed back.

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The show defined Kurt as being the gay guy. A flamboyant, snarky, effeminate, perpetual victim who likes to lecture others. That was nearly all of his storylines in the show. It was his defining feature.

The show did in a way, and I said as much about how others saw him in the world of the show. But Spencer said Kurt defined himself as gay (which he didn't) and that was the difference between them (which it isn't). Kurt himself as a character never defined himself either as gay or as victim. I will also say Kurt wasn't a victim even by the show's standards, because he was not taking stuff lying down nor going around whining about his predicament, even in the bullying arc of S2. 

 

I guess we have to cheer that the show gives us a gay who defines himself as a jerk with a propensity to throw cups at the faculty.Oh, wait, we had such a gay already, Karofsky, only he was in the closet. He definitely didn't define himself as gay.

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See the is how Glee loses me.

Spencer calls another athlete a HOMO for perceived weakness/lack of toughness as a deliberately insulting slur and even Sam , Mr. Gay Blam bromance , thinks it's OK because is Spencer is Gay himself.

What the Fuck.

And what's the point of saying that because he's physically big and can defend himself he's a post Modern Gay, so the moral is if you can beat up the bullies it's the only option? So a slight built smaller gay guy is not post Modern.

Again what the fuck.

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Second, Kurt didn't define himself by being gay. He defined himself by being talented and looking for recognition and success, i.e. by his drive. In that, he's similar to Rachel. That was always how he wanted others to see him. The others though, esp. tptb in the show's world (like the WSS casting), saw him as gay, and an effeminate gay at that.

Yeah, this was something that Kurt was always trying to get away from and fighting against, that all people see when they see him was gay guy. Unfortunately no matter how much he fought against it, people like Artie/Bieste couldn't see past that because he wasn't masculine enough in their view.

 

People have problem seeing past Kurt being gay but Kurt defined himself or wanted people to defined him by being guy.

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If he were a real man he would if the situation warranted it. Real men can and do cry ;-)

 

 

Anyone can cry, but wouldn't MOST people say they have something to do the next morning and have to go home.   Or just leave in a huff and go home or somewhere private.  It's like when shows depict a woman rushing out of a room after a heated fight with her boyfriend and leaning against the door, sliding to the floor and crying her eyes out.   I think it's pathetic when anyone does it.   Man or woman.   Hold yourself together, maintain dignity and go somewhere you can lick your wounds.

 

I don't know anyone that would slide to the floor in a public bathroom, sniveling and crying.   Nothing to do with being a man or not, don't recall saying that in my initial post.

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The show defined Kurt as being the gay guy. A flamboyant, snarky, effeminate, perpetual victim who likes to lecture others. That was nearly all of his storylines in the show. It was his defining feature.

 

Most of the adjectives you used for the show trying to define Kurt as being a gay guy are adjectives you could use to describe several characters on this show. Those adjectives don't belong exclusively to someone who is gay.

 

The showed tried to show all the struggles that gay person like Kurt, who wasn't masculine enough would face, and showing how desperately Kurt try to change. I don't think it was his defining feature.

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Anyone can cry, but wouldn't MOST people say they have something to do the next morning and have to go home.   Or just leave in a huff and go home or somewhere private.  It's like when shows depict a woman rushing out of a room after a heated fight with her boyfriend and leaning against the door, sliding to the floor and crying her eyes out.   I think it's pathetic when anyone does it.   Man or woman.   Hold yourself together, maintain dignity and go somewhere you can lick your wounds.

 

I don't know anyone that would slide to the floor in a public bathroom, sniveling and crying.   Nothing to do with being a man or not, don't recall saying that in my initial post.

 

Just because someone is able to hold themselves together long enough to go cry at home doesn't mean they are stronger than someone who have reach a point in which they can't hold their emotions long enough to do that. 

 

Also, shows/movies usually do it this way, in order to show the immediate emotional impact that the situation had on a character, it has nothing to do with lack of strength.

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Anyone can cry, but wouldn't MOST people say they have something to do the next morning and have to go home.   Or just leave in a huff and go home or somewhere private.  It's like when shows depict a woman rushing out of a room after a heated fight with her boyfriend and leaning against the door, sliding to the floor and crying her eyes out.   I think it's pathetic when anyone does it.   Man or woman.   Hold yourself together, maintain dignity and go somewhere you can lick your wounds.

 

I don't know anyone that would slide to the floor in a public bathroom, sniveling and crying.   Nothing to do with being a man or not, don't recall saying that in my initial post.

So you think they should have shown Kurt walking out of the bar, getting in his car, driving home, walking into his house and then breaking down? There's a riveting five minute segment of television.

Kurt held it together until he was somewhere no one else could see him--so what's the damage? People shouldn't cry at any location except their homes? That seems like an odd requirement.

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So you think they should have shown Kurt walking out of the bar, getting in his car, driving home, walking into his house and then breaking down? There's a riveting five minute segment of television.

Kurt held it together until he was somewhere no one else could see him--so what's the damage? People shouldn't cry at any location except their homes? That seems like an odd requirement.

 

He even waited until he got into a private stall to cry quietly, so that no one would hear him.

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Anyone can cry, but wouldn't MOST people say they have something to do the next morning and have to go home.   Or just leave in a huff and go home or somewhere private.  It's like when shows depict a woman rushing out of a room after a heated fight with her boyfriend and leaning against the door, sliding to the floor and crying her eyes out.   I think it's pathetic when anyone does it.   Man or woman.   Hold yourself together, maintain dignity and go somewhere you can lick your wounds.

 

I don't know anyone that would slide to the floor in a public bathroom, sniveling and crying.   Nothing to do with being a man or not, don't recall saying that in my initial post.

This is bordering on misogyny, and I don't throw this word around lightly.  I wish to know where this information about MOST people comes from, with statistical proof if you please.

 

The scene didn't show us how Kurt stopped crying, picked himself up and left Scandals because that's self-evident and redundant, I mean how literal do we want to be?  You realise that you're watching a TV show of 43 min. (not real life) and sliding on the floor of a public bathroom is a common trope to depict grief? 

 

Also, you need to realise that what works for you personally, will not work for another human being, and it's not your place to judge them for how they need to "man up" to deal with their emotions and pain, unless they commit a crime in the process of hurt someone. 

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So you think they should have shown Kurt walking out of the bar, getting in his car, driving home, walking into his house and then breaking down? There's a riveting five minute segment of television.

 

 

Well a 2 week old cheese sandwich is more riveting then Kurt Hummel IMO.  And I don't give the character or his storylines enough thought to come up with alternative presentations.

 

Just because someone is able to hold themselves together long enough to go cry at home doesn't mean they are stronger than someone who have reach a point in which they can't hold their emotions long enough to do that.

 

 

I'd have to disagree.

 

Also, you need to realise that what works for you personally, will not work for another human being, and it's not your place to judge them for how they need to "man up" to deal with their emotions and pain, unless they commit a crime in the process of hurt someone.

 

 

Who said anything about "man up"  I don't recall doing so.   And I'm allowed to judge characters anyway I want.   Or I'd ask a Mod to clarify for me.

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I'm just sick of this show making reasons for Kurt to do the pretty crying. Can we move on from that? Chris whines on and on about having to play happy too much, but I'm sick to death of his weepy cry face. Move the fuck on. We've all seen him cry over everything from daddy is dying to your boytoy cheated to whatever the this is with the guy you think is your soulmate doing the guy who used to threaten to kill you. Whatever. Been there. Done that. Move on. Same old is same old no matter which emotion it is.

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Who said anything about "man up"  I don't recall doing so.   And I'm allowed to judge characters anyway I want.   Or I'd ask a Mod to clarify for me.

"man up" is a summary of what you meant ("Hold yourself together, maintain dignity and go somewhere you can lick your wounds."). You don't have to literally say this word for it to be obvious. 

 

Nobody can stop you from judging, but there is something to be said about the ability to empathize.  

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Let's all remember that the "in my opinion" is usually implied in posts like the ones you're arguing about. Let's also remember that telling someone that you know what they actually meant better than they do is never a good idea. And finally, let's remember that once you've stated your opinion two or three times, we all get it, and saying the same thing over and over is a waste of everyone's time.

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Well they had both Kurt and Blaine crying buckets about their relationship. Will is another male in the show who crys at the drop of a hat.

I'm amused because we hadn't seen crying angst Kurt since Season 4 episode 3 and yet that is his trope 24/7 apparently.

They made pains to show he had changed physically and more confident in NY (Bashed and Tested) so I don't see weepy Kurt as the way he's been portrayed consistently the last 2 1/2 seasons TBH.

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Well they had both Kurt and Blaine crying buckets about their relationship. Will is another male in the show who crys at the drop if a hat.

I'm laughing because we haven't seen crying Kurt since Season 4 episode 3 and yet that is his trope 24/7 apparently.

  Blaine cried then too. Now also in a restaurant - a public place in the presence of other patrons. But nobody is finding fault with that, apparently.

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Blaine cried then too. But nobody is finding fault with that, apparently.

Well, to be fair, everyone left commenting on this show (at least 99.999% of us) is complaining about someone or something. On account of the crapfest, don't cha know.

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Well, to be fair, everyone left commenting on this show (at least 99.999% of us) is complaining about someone or something. On account of the crapfest, don't cha know.

I meant the selective finding of fault with one but not another (whoever it is) for the same thing, not the totality of comments . 

 

 

They made pains to show he had changed physically and more confident in NY (Bashed and Tested) so I don't see weepy Kurt as the way he's been portrayed consistently the last 2 1/2 seasons TBH.

It might be that Blaine has cried more than him for that stretch. Certainly wept in Tested on Kurt's shoulder. 

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  Blaine cried then too. But nobody is finding fault with that, apparently.

 

Well they had both Kurt and Blaine crying buckets about their relationship. Will is another male in the show who crys at the drop of a hat.

I'm amused because we hadn't seen crying angst Kurt since Season 4 episode 3 and yet that is his trope 24/7 apparently.

They made pains to show he had changed physically and more confident in NY (Bashed and Tested) so I don't see weepy Kurt as the way he's been portrayed consistently the last 2 1/2 seasons TBH.

 

The fact that all the males cry out in public/private at one point or another, Sam sat in a room full of people and cry because Mercedes was breaking-up with him, but most people don't even point that out or see him as weak and pathetic. But Kurt does the same thing, and people call him out for it. That is saying something.

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