Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Curio]

I'm so glad it wasn't Emma's idea to go get drunk at the bar, but screw off Snow and Regina. You actually aren't being good friends. If you really want to help Emma, go to her house and chat over wine or have a good heart-to-heart, but don't drag her out to a sketchy hole-in-the-wall bar where 95% of the people are drunk men looking to get laid. You know what happens in those situations. You guys suck. And how many hours have past and you already want to gossip and trash talk Hook? It looks like Emma is wearing the same outfit!

Maybe it's because I'm going through a similar situation as Emma, but I am totally side-eyeing Snow and Regina right now. It's going to be a ton of "fun" to watch Snow I-lied-about-eggnapping-for-years White and Regina I-killed-Graham-and-still-haven't-told-Emma Mills bash Hook for keeping this Robert secret. And of course, all the girls trash talking Hook is going to make them look great in juxtaposition to Hook trying desperately to get back to Emma by traveling realms and killing krakens...

Sorry, rant over.

[Shanna Marie]

10 hours ago, Kktjones said:

I was just thinking about it and off the top of my head we have the 3A finale with Rumple killing Pan while everyone else was frozen, the Zelena/Regina showdown in 3B where everyone else was useless, the 4B finale where Emma took on the darkness while everyone else just stood there and watched, the 5A finale where Emma stabbed Hook while everyone just stood around and watched and, of course the fight between Emma & Gideon we just saw in 6x11.

Don't forget 4A, with Snow and Emma frozen in the tower while Rumple crushes Hook's heart, and the "fight" is between Belle and Rumple.

[Rumsy4]

29 minutes ago, Mathius said:

No, we saw the Black Fairy and Rumple up to no good back in the filming of Part 1.

You say no. But the actual final battle seems like it's between Emma and...Gideon. Whether they're shapeshifter other people remains to be seen. lol

[Mathius]

Just now, Rumsy4 said:

You say no. But the actual final battle seems like it's between Emma and...Gideon. Whether they're shapeshifter other people remains to be seen. lol

I say no because the quote asked if Gideon was the Big Bad "of this whole thing", not just the battle.  

The whole thing seems to have all three generations of Stiltskin as a Big Bad trio, Gideon is just the "final boss" (or is he?)

[Rumsy4]

The Big Bad of the Final Battle is Gideon. Same difference. Seems pretty strange to me.

Eff the Charmings and Millses. They gave up on Hook the minute he disappeared didn't they? They en masse decided the "no good" pirate had run away, and Emma asks Henry to dump Hook's stuff in the shed. Great. 

[RulerofallIsurvey]

47 minutes ago, Mathius said:

@ the Sneak Peek: I am SO glad Snow is along and it's not just shots with Regina, especially since it gives Ginny something funny to work with.  But screw Natalie Abrams: "Has Emma already given up on Hook?" Does it look like at ANY point in that video that Emma has given up on Hook?  

Actually, yes.  She's packing up a trunk with his stuff and right before she leaves, she tells Henry to take it out to the shed.  Really?  Not just back upstairs to the bedroom or a closet or something - but out in the shed.  

And if that's the way it actually plays out in the episode, I will be seriously ticked off, because Really?  After all the times Hook has had absolute Faith in her, after one fight and one night of separation, she's ready to Beyonce him with "to the left, to the left.  everything you own in the box to the left."?

[Mathius]

I don't know, she still doesn't sound like she has full conviction.  But maybe that's just JMO trying to elevate awful material. 

[Rumsy4]

The contrast between the 1st and 2nd Sneak Peek is glaring. I guess this season is really making me choose Hook as my favorite character in the Show. 

[SiobhanJW]

My guess is that Emma eventually realizes that there is no way Hook would of left without his brothers ring so something nefarious must of happened. 

[Rumsy4]

Yeah--but her first instinct is to dump his stuff in the shed. This is her gods-established True Love she just gave speech to about trust. This half-season has not been good for CS, right from the spring premiere. 

[Souris]

Here's the link to set stalker Larry's post about contracts.

He also said this: No official word yet on renewal for #OnceUponATime but at the end of the script for "The Final Battle" it says "See you in season 7" #OUAT

If that is legit, I wonder what "part time" means for Jen? Two eps? Fifteen eps? There's a big range possible there.

The writers don't care one little bit about characterization. They only care about contrived angst and drama and will screw with characterization or relationships however it takes to make it happen.

I shudder to think what they will do to CS in a S7.

Edited March 31, 2017 by Souris

[Curio]

59 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Eff the Charmings and Millses. They gave up on Hook the minute he disappeared didn't they? They en masse decided the "no good" pirate had run away, and Emma asks Henry to dump Hook's stuff in the shed. Great. 

Honestly, the only people allowed to be upset at Hook right now are Emma and David. If anything, Snow should now be talking to David about how he didn't keep his promise about not looking into his father's death which snowballed into this fiasco. And Regina has absolutely no room to judge Killian. At all. In fact, Regina comes off insanely hypocritical because she's bashing Hook and calling him no good when she knows she's been keeping Graham a secret from Emma all these years.

Also, why are Snow and Regina going off on Hook when they literally just lied to Emma to trick her into coming to the bar?

Regina: What did Hook do this time?
Emma: He lied about something from his past and was afraid to tell me about it.
Snow: Ugh, who would keep a secret from you! Certainly not me or your father since we've never kidnapped a baby!
Regina: And your true friends certainly wouldn't lie to you just to get you to the bar 5 minutes ago!

And the end of this arc is going to be so cringey. 

Hook: Emma! I did the impossible and traveled across multiple realms for you...again! I'll admit, the last time I had to do this to find you in New York was a little less complicated, but I got to meet up with Ariel, Jasmine, and Aladdin again! They say hi, by the way. You should have seen it, I battled a kraken and stole its blood because that was the only way to open a portal, and then I had to sword fight Black Beard and we even ran into Jafar! But I never lost faith that I would find you again. I was so nervous that Gideon had done something to you, especially after he forced me off into another realm. Say, where's my chest? And why do you smell like booze? Weren't we switching to water?
Emma: Ummm, I told Henry to put all your stuff out to the shed and then I got drunk with your future mother-in-law and Regina and we trash talked you all night?
Hook: Bloody hell, I've only been gone for 48 hours. 
Emma: So, want to try Round 2 of the engagement?

Edited March 31, 2017 by Curio

[Mathius]

12 minutes ago, Curio said:

If anything, Snow should now be talking to David about how he didn't keep his promise about not looking into his father's death which snowballed into this fiasco.

Um, what would David's response be?  "Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"?

Quote

And Regina has absolutely no room to judge Killian. At all. In fact, Regina comes off insanely hypocritical because she's bashing Hook and calling him no good when she knows she's been keeping Graham a secret from Emma all these years.

The refusal to address Graham's death has just gotten worse and worse overtime, hasn't it?  This is a new nadir.

Quote

He also said this: No official word yet on renewal for #OnceUponATime but at the end of the script for "The Final Battle" it says "See you in season 7"

If there's STILL no official word yet, then chances don't look so good.  But I gotta lol at A&E's arrogant presumptuousness.  

Edited March 31, 2017 by Mathius

[Rumsy4]

13 minutes ago, Curio said:

Emma: So, want to try Round 2 of the engagement? I'll even let you get down on one knee this time.

Sounds about right.

[Curio]

7 minutes ago, Mathius said:

Um, what would David's response be?  "Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"?

"Hey babe, just leaving you this video to check in and say hi. Oh, by the way, Emma called off her engagement with Killian because apparently he killed your father? But what's funny is that he never would have known about that unless you researched it more...which you told me you wouldn't do. So...yeah...leave me a video explaining this please!"

[Curio]

5 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Sounds about right.

Shoot, just realized my quote is way off since Hook did actually get down on one knee the first time. It didn't even feel like he did because of...well...how it all went down.

[SiobhanJW]

21 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Yeah--but her first instinct is to dump his stuff in the shed. This is her gods-established True Love she just gave speech to about trust. This half-season has not been good for CS, right from the spring premiere. 

Oh I completely agree. It's rather ridiculous.

[Souris]

I don't know if I believe Larry's contract info. Could be true, could be false, could be somebody on the crew messing with him for whatever reason.

[oncebluethrone]

4 hours ago, cappoe said:

Jmo Colin and Lana are back for s7. Jmo is signed as part time but still a series regular and Lana and Colin are full time.

If there's a S7 it probably means JMO will miss a couple of episodes but still be in the majority of episodes. She's not recurring or guest star, she's a series regular.

Where did you get that information?

I don’t think Emma was ooc in the sneak peak. Emma was in pain and when she is in pain, her walls go up creating a protective box around her heart. She was putting items belonging to her true love away inside his sea chest to not only protect them but also as a way of protecting her memories of him. The only issue I had with this scene was why Emma wanted to put it in the shed, which could mean she has given up on him, but I don’t think she has. I also don’t think Snow or Regina were ooc either.  Snow was drunk, you don’t act like your normal self when drunk.  Regina’s comment about Killian being a “no good pirate” was her being snarky (very Regina) and probably slightly drunk.  Henry was possibly the only one ooc ,unless he tried to make Emma feel better and she didn’t want that at the moment, so he backed off. He was definitely concerned though. Context is everything.

[Rumsy4]

It's more and more coming across as if Emma just wants Hook to be her attractive supportive system. She doesn't truly know his character, and is oblivious to his struggles. The writing for Emma has been completely shallow and boring this season. Yes--the writing for pretty much every character has been cheapened in 6B. But the contrast between the way they're writing Emma and Killian within their relationship is bizarrely lopsided. 

6 minutes ago, Curio said:

Shoot, just realized my quote is way off since Hook did actually get down on one knee the first time. It didn't even feel like he did because of...well...how it all went down.

She'll even let him grovel the second time.

Edited March 31, 2017 by Rumsy4

[KingOfHearts]

Quote

It's more and more coming across as if Emma wants Hook to be her attractive supportive system. She doesn't truly know his character, and is oblivious to his struggles. The writing for Emma has been completely shallow and boring this season. Yes--the writing for pretty much every character has been cheapened in 6B. But the contrast between the way they're writing Emma and Killian within their relationship is bizarrely lopsided. 

It's as if S5 never happened. Hook never sacrificed his life to save everyone, Emma never went to the Underworld for him, etc. What Hook did as the Dark One was much worse, yet she forgave him almost immediately.

"Now that I have a ring on my finger, you need to be perfect! Nevermind that just a few days ago I was lying to you about a life-threatening condition."

Edited March 31, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Serena]

Okay, hold on to your hats because I'm gonna defend Regina. I don't think she was actually bashing Hook in that sneak peek. I thought she was doing the "supportive friend after break up" routine, where you're supposed to be like "He sucks, girl, and you can do so much better!". Obviously, a better reaction would have been to say "How do you feel, Emma, what can we do for you?" but I never said she was a GOOD supportive friend.

I NEED to know what the conditions on Lana's contract are, btw!! 

[Curio]

5 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

What Hook did as the Dark One was much worse, yet she forgave him almost immediately.

But at least in the Dark Hook situation, Emma forced Killian to become something he didn't want to become. She gave him no choice and she knew the situation was partially her fault. This time, Emma gave him a choice by...ummm...taking off the engagement ring, giving it back to him, hinting he should leave, and giving him a vague ultimatum, but then immediately assuming he abandoned her? Yeah, this is a mess.

[Shanna Marie]

10 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

It's as if S5 never happened. Hook never sacrificed his life to save everyone, Emma never went to the Underworld for him, etc.

Have they even mentioned the season 5 events this season? I don't even recall one flippant remark about having been dead, no mention of the Dark One stuff. Belle didn't react to him being alive when she saw him for the first time outside the Underworld. Archie didn't mention all the stuff Hook went through, including the sacrifice. David seems to have completely forgotten that Hook died for them (multiple times). You could have missed all of season 5 and have no idea that any of it happened. You know a show is bad about continuity and its own history when it apparently forgets that a character died and was miraculously resurrected.

Considering that when Hook was dead, hauled away on a stretcher with a sheet over his face, Emma refused to give up and went to the Underworld to save him by sharing half her heart, it seems odd that when he vanishes she's so quick to give up on him that she has his stuff taken out to the shed. This is the guy who gave up everything he owned to reach her, when he had no guarantee that she would be receptive, and he knew she wouldn't remember him. You'd think she'd be tearing up the town, trying to find him. Unless there's maybe a scene before this one in which someone says they saw him boarding the Nautilus -- but then what about the pile of stuff he left on the dock? He didn't seem to have taken that with him when he went to say good-bye to Nemo, and a pile of belongings on the dock would be a good sign that maybe he didn't just skip town. Or was Gideon polite enough to poof Hook's luggage on board?

[Curio]

21 minutes ago, Serena said:

Okay, hold on to your hats because I'm gonna defend Regina. I don't think she was actually bashing Hook in that sneak peek.

Here's the thing—I would buy that if Regina and Hook actually had a legitimate friendship. They don't. At most they tolerate each other, but most of the time it comes off as if Regina doesn't like Hook. When Regina calls Hook a "no good pirate," she honestly believes that. Regina has constantly bashed Hook in front of Emma by saying Emma is too good for Hook and also told Emma she wanted to rip Hook's throat out. This is a repeated pattern for her. The line would have been the "supportive friend" if it came from Snow, but when Regina says it, she just comes off as that mean girl who says, "Oh my god, why would you buy that sweater it's so last season...just kidding! I think it's super cute." It's like, girl, we know how you really feel.

8 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

Have they even mentioned the season 5 events this season? I don't even recall one flippant remark about having been dead, no mention of the Dark One stuff.

Nope. Not once has anyone mentioned Hook's death or his Dark One status. (I don't think Emma's Dark One status has been mentioned either.) It's the only reason why the writers think they're able to get away with this petty drama. If they mentioned everything Hook went through last season, none of this drama would hold up.

[KingOfHearts]

27 minutes ago, Curio said:

But at least in the Dark Hook situation, Emma forced Killian to become something he didn't want to become. She gave him no choice and she knew the situation was partially her fault. This time, Emma gave him a choice by...ummm...taking off the engagement ring, giving it back to him, hinting he should leave, and giving him a vague ultimatum, but then immediately assuming he abandoned her? Yeah, this is a mess.

Replying in Relationships.

Edited March 31, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Rumsy4]

36 minutes ago, Curio said:

This time, Emma gave him a choice by...ummm...taking off the engagement ring, giving it back to him, hinting he should leave, and giving him a vague ultimatum, but then immediately assuming he abandoned her? Yeah, this is a mess.

Yeah. Instead of thinking that maybe Hook did leave as she literally asked him to do to try and figure himself out (on his own on how to work on things together), she immediately assumes he left her 5ever (leaving all his important things behind), and asks her son to dump Hook's stuff in the effing shed. 

Edited March 31, 2017 by Rumsy4

[Souris]

It's all part of their propensity for having characters do whatever and then the show carrying on as if nothing has any repercussions at all. Regina murdering Graham, Snowing eggnapping Lily, Zelena raping and getting pregnant by Robin, Emma giving up on Hook after two seconds -- it's all the same symptom of their same shallow, crappy, only plot and twists matter writing.

[Curio]

I honestly don't see how a CS wedding can happen so quickly after all this drama. In 6x15, Emma is shoving Hook's belongings in the shed, Hook's future mother-in-law is drunk and wants to get Emma drunk too, Regina is bashing him in front of Emma, David is inevitably going to be pissed because he still hasn't learned about what Hook did... But in a few short episodes, everyone is going to kiss and make up and throw a blissful wedding bash?

Are all the characters seriously going to go from, "Ugh, that Hook! I always knew he was a no good pirate, you never deserved him anyways, Emma! Good on you for moving on, throw his crap in the shed," to, "Hook! We're so glad you're alive! We always knew you and Emma were right for each other!" Wtf?

[superloislane]

9 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Yeah. Instead of thinking that maybe Hook did leave as she literally asked him to do to try and figure himself out (on his own on how to work on things together), she immediately assumes he left her 5ever (leaving all his important things behind), and asks her son to dump Hook's stuff in the effing shed. 

1 hour ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

And if that's the way it actually plays out in the episode, I will be seriously ticked off, because Really?  After all the times Hook has had absolute Faith in her, after one fight and one night of separation, she's ready to Beyonce him with "to the left, to the left.  everything you own in the box to the left."

She said 'Until you're ready for that (working through things together) then we can talk' - nowhere in this does she say 'I never want to see your face again! Get out!' - she literally says they should talk when he's ready.

I'm not getting why anyone is angry with Emma for thinking Hook left town...he was about to do just that! He had packed a bag and was about to leave with Nemo but what, because he changed his mind two seconds before, Emma is somehow wrong to think he was about to leave???

Even if he was going to call her to tell before he left, Hook was still going to leave Emma and the town for who knows how long even though he knows there's a guy walking around whose only goal is to kill Emma!

I'm not really getting this idea that Emma is wrong to think this when he was actually about to do it!

[Mathius]

45 minutes ago, Curio said:

Nope. Not once has anyone mentioned Hook's death or his Dark One status. (I don't think Emma's Dark One status has been mentioned either.)

Actually, it was brought up once, when Regina told Emma to promise to kill her if need be, like Regina promised when Emma gave her the DO dagger.

Other than that, the only Season 5 events mentioned have been Robin's death and Belle's pregnancy, and how they affect Regina and Rumple.

Oh yeah, and there was Rumple giving the EQ water from the River of Lost Souls that he brought back with him from the Underworld, but it was never mentioned why everyone had been down in the Underworld to begin with (because Hook had DIED.)

It's like they want to render S5 filler in order to elevate the events of S6, when in actuality the endgame S6 seems to be building to would be have been MUCH more natural coming straight off of 5B.  Everything from 5x22 and on has been the real filler, and particularly bad filler at that.

Edited March 31, 2017 by Mathius

[justmythoughts]

Oh no... Every spoiler seems to get worse! 

I am truly hoping there is no S7. I don't trust A&E to do any better. In fact they seem to be getting worse, losing track of their own writing, obssessed with Regina, wrecking Emma's character... 

No one told them a few hours after a "break up", as they seem to consider, probably going to a bar and getting drunk is not the best solution? Talking, maybe even drinking at home while being confortable (usually with icecream and /or chocolate involved) is the best way to feel better. 

The Graham secret is not only embarassing, but totally perfect for Regina: she can lie, kill the Charmings in the fake world (but not fake to others), keep hearts in her sex crypt, never apologise properly to Snow or Emma (afterall she got Henry from that) and yet be able to bash Killian and others as she is the pure image of goodness. 

By the way, if we apply Regina's way of thinking, Killian should bear no guilt, after all his past allowed him to meet Emma (and Zeus, for God sake!). But as you said the authors pretend S5 has never happened and we have the REC.

Edited March 31, 2017 by justmythoughts

[sharky]

1 minute ago, justmythoughts said:

No one told them a few hours after a "break up", as they seem to consider, probably going to a bar and getting drunk is not the best solution?

It's actually the next night at least. They break up, Emma comes home and turns the lights out, and then this is the next night. I think they're trying to be friends to Emma, but Snow White left her son at home with his comatose father and Regina still doesn't fully get this "friend" thing. It seems like something they would do, but it's obviously not thought out like a regular person.

[Curio]

6 minutes ago, superloislane said:

I'm not getting why anyone is angry with Emma for thinking Hook left town...he was about to do just that! He had packed a bag and was about to leave with Nemo but what, because he changed his mind two seconds before, Emma is somehow wrong to think he was about to leave???

It's not that people are angry at Emma for assuming Hook left town, it's the extreme jump to assuming he abandoned her. Leaving town for a little bit and abandoning are two totally different things. Emma was the one who suggested Hook should figure himself out and then come back to her, so if anything, she should have expected Hook to take a break for himself for a little bit. But the way the show is portraying Emma's reaction, it's like she's surprised he took off. If Emma took off the engagement ring and told Hook to figure his issues out, it shouldn't be surprising to her that he might take a sabbatical to rethink his life. For all she knows, he could be at the spa trying to meditate on all of this, yet she's so convinced he just up and left her for good that she's already moving his things out into the shed. It's the extreme reaction that bothers people. I was actually rooting for Hook to leave town because taking a sabbatical to figure out how to deal with the Robert situation seems pretty healthy. 

[Mathius]

4 minutes ago, Curio said:

It's not that people are angry at Emma for assuming Hook left town, it's the extreme jump to assuming he abandoned her. Leaving town for a little bit and abandoning are two totally different things. Emma was the one who suggested Hook should figure himself out and then come back to her, so if anything, she should have expected Hook to take a break for himself for a little bit. But the way the show is portraying Emma's reaction, it's like she's surprised he took off. If Emma took off the engagement ring and told Hook to figure his issues out, it shouldn't be surprising to her that he might take a sabbatical to rethink his life.

Exactly.  Yes, Hook was planning on leaving, but he also always planned on returning.  He told Nemo outright that he wasn't the man Emma deserved to marry, and that he "wanted to find that man again" through traveling on the Nautilus for a while and getting lessons on letting go of his past and moving forward from Nemo, who has mastered it already - calling back to Nemo saying the Nautilus is a place where a man can take the time to find himself.  He was never going to abandon Emma like she assumes he did (though planning to leave her when he knows Gideon is at large? DUMB.)

Edited March 31, 2017 by Mathius

[Curio]

6 minutes ago, Mathius said:

Exactly.  Yes, Hook was planning on leaving, but he also always planned on returning.  He told Nemo outright that he wasn't the man Emma deserved to marry, and that he "wanted to find that man again" through traveling on the Nautilus for a while and getting lessons on letting go of his past and moving forward from Nemo, who has mastered it already - calling back to Nemo saying the Nautilus is a place where a man can take the time to find himself.  He was never going to abandon Emma like she assumes he did (though planning to leave her when he knows Gideon is at large? DUMB.)

Replying in the episode thread.

[woolmintons]

There's an enormous difference between submarining around coastal Maine for a few days to learn about brotherhood and honor and stop hating yourself, general getting-your-shit-together (which Hook was planning on doing AND EMMA TOLD HIM TO DO) and leaving your Gods-Proven True Love 5ever no-looking-back (which Emma seems to believe).

Leaving his most treasured possessions back at their house should have been a huge red flag to her.  Imagine if they had had a huge fight when her secret came out and she gave every indication that she had left town for good (not that she would leave Henry, but humor me) and Hook walked into their bedroom to see her baby blanket and cigar box o' memories. Would he say "I'm going to shove Emma's most treasured objects, the ones she's literally carried through countless foster homes, the streets, prison and several states, into the shed," or would he take that as a sign that she's coming back when she's ready because she would NEVER leave those things behind for good?

Maybe she'll come to that realization on her own. Maybe Henry will bookend the scenes and tell her that. Maybe she'll realize that her abandonment issues are making it seem like she doesn't have faith in them, like his self-loathing made it seem like he didn't have faith in them. Maybe David will wake up and be like "I"m upset that he killed my father, but I'm more upset that he left us. That's not the person I thought he had become." But that would mean Emma got to have a conversation with one of her parents, and, well, you know how they seem to feel about those. :/

Sigh. I'm so very tired of contrived angst.

Edited March 31, 2017 by woolmintons
I apprently like using the word shed A LOT

[superloislane]

13 minutes ago, Mathius said:

Yes, Hook was planning on leaving, but he also always planned on returning.

But when would he return? How long does it take to be the man Emma deserves? A couple of days? A week? Or months? 

And as far as we can tell - he wasn't going to tell Emma he was leaving. I know that's just bad writing and they could have easily shown him looking at her number on his phone or something but everything we've seen indicates that he wasn't going to tell her.

And it's likely that Snow told Emma he had a bag at the docks so his clothes are probably gone and whatever stuff he took and she hasn't heard anything from him after this.

If I was Emma and I found out the guy who wanted to marry me was keeping something huge from me and started off what is supposed to be a massive commitment with a lie, and then when I give back the ring because a marriage shouldn't start off like that he packs his bags and leaves without saying a word even though we live together, I'd be really pissed off and I wouldn't even be nice enough to put his stuff in a box. But hey that's just me...and I don't have abandonment issues.

Edited March 31, 2017 by superloislane

[Vader12]

On ‎3‎/‎31‎/‎2017 at 1:28 PM, Souris said:

It's all part of their propensity for having characters do whatever and then the show carrying on as if nothing has any repercussions at all. Regina murdering Graham, Snowing eggnapping Lily, Zelena raping and getting pregnant by Robin, Emma giving up on Hook after two seconds -- it's all the same symptom of their same shallow, crappy, only plot and twists matter writing.

That eggnapping event did not count. To be fair and real here, Isaac made Snowing do this. He wrote them to do it as revealed in the 4th season finale when he was arrested. I already had a chat with Jane (one of the writers who said Isaac only made The apprentice do this) in late Jan 2017 and got her to confess that she made a mistake in not include that Isaac made Snowing do this. So the fact is, Isaac was the real culprit, only he acted through 3 innocent people with his pen to alter their lives. You got it wrong.

And Snow did not lie about the situation. She only omitted. It's different. Regina was the one who lied about Graham and Hook still Ellie's about What he really did to Ariel and never helped her find Eric.Emma was also the one who lied to her parents two times. And I wouldn't be surprised that she lied to her parents about Robert to like what Hook did to her and more importantly David. Cause this is a personal thing for him.

Edited April 2, 2017 by Vader12

[Shanna Marie]

It seems more likely that Emma would be the one clinging to the idea that maybe he's just off thinking -- like she told him to do -- or that maybe something bad happened to him while the others are telling her maybe he's showing his true colors than that she would be putting his stuff in the shed. With the others, I guess it depends on what day it is. Is this the Henry who picked out the house with Hook or the "you're not my father" Henry? Is it "hey, glad you're not dead! Hugs!" David or "you're nothing but a worthless pirate, even after you sacrificed yourself for my family"? I could imagine Henry offering to move the trunk to the shed for her and her refusing. But assuming he abandoned her is going a bit far. If she's willing to assume all this so easily, then if that's what she thought of him, she shouldn't have agreed to marry him in the first place.

This is all reminding me of my least-favorite Harlequin and Hallmark movie misunderstanding trope, where something happens that makes one character in a relationship (usually the woman) assume the worst of the other character (usually the man). Then when the truth comes out and he's done something to prove himself, all is okay and she happily takes him back, but they never address his side of it. Why would he want to get back with someone so willing to assume the worst of him? In this case, she at least has the excuse of not being able to just ask him where he went and why, but it still has to sting that she was so quick to give up on him -- giving back the ring was probably overkill rather than just working through it together with him (since they weren't going to be getting married soon anyway), sending him off alone to figure out how to work together made no sense, and then tossing his stuff in the shed and assuming he's gone forever should pretty much kill the relationship on both sides. It's hard to see how they get from here to a happy ending unless she does a quick about face, figures out that something must have gone wrong, and decides to fight for him while he's off fighting to get back to her.

[Vader12]

For those who heard and believed this gossipers about Ginny and Josh leaving, their was no such official announcement. And where he said it is not reliable or trustworthy. And like this contract thing from Larry, this is more like Gossip. And also really sounded as though he was speculating.

This link I have here seems to show that Josh and Ginny's departure is false. http://en.mediamass.net/people/ginnifer-goodwin/retirement.html

[Curio]

9 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

It's hard to see how they get from here to a happy ending unless she does a quick about face, figures out that something must have gone wrong, and decides to fight for him while he's off fighting to get back to her.

Knowing another proposal happens and based on Jen's article about the episode, we know a quick about face is what happens. It's just unfortunate that they allowed Emma to jump so quickly to shoving his things off into the shed. Hopefully there's a missing scene before this one where Gideon made up a farewell letter, Emma read the letter assuming the worst, and then decided to pack his things up. But if we jump straight from the Nautilus sneak peek to this one...it doesn't come off good at all.

[Stuffy]

15 minutes ago, Vader12 said:

For those who heard and believed this gossipers about Ginny and Josh leaving, their was no such official announcement. And where he said it is not reliable or trustworthy. And like this contract thing from Larry, this is more like Gossip. And also really sounded as though he was speculating.

This link I have here seems to show that Josh and Ginny's departure is false. http://en.mediamass.net/people/ginnifer-goodwin/retirement.html

That's a fake website. I've never understood the point of it unless it's making money from the adds. Put in any of the actors names and laugh at the headlines. 

[Mathius]

24 minutes ago, Curio said:

Knowing another proposal happens

Yeah, JMO accidentally spoiled that when she said filming "the proposal scene" was "fun" at the con, then there was an awkward pause because Colin seemed to realize that she made a mistake, and so he had to cover for her by talking about the proposal scene that had been seen already by saying "I wish Hook had told her what he did."  It definitely makes me think that Emma will be asking the proposal next time, which is why it was fun for JMO.

Quote

"She’s definitely someone that we know has existed in pure darkness for a very long time and has been the root of a lot of the darkness without us having known that she was the initiator of things"

Are they going to retcon the Black Fairy into somehow being responsible for every evil on this show?  Seriously?

Edited March 31, 2017 by Mathius

[KingOfHearts]

Quote

Are they going to retcon the Black Fairy into somehow being responsible for every evil on this show?  Seriously?

Does that make her... the First Evil? ;)

Edited March 31, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[cappoe]

In the new preview you see Emma holding a shell. So probably Ariel finds her way to Emma to let her know about what happened with Hook. Emma will probably grow suspicious but the sneak peek takes place at the beginning of the episode. Let's wait till the end of the episode.

2 hours ago, Souris said:

Here's the link to set stalker Larry's post about contracts.

He also said this: No official word yet on renewal for #OnceUponATime but at the end of the script for "The Final Battle" it says "See you in season 7" #OUAT

If that is legit, I wonder what "part time" means for Jen? Two eps? Fifteen eps? There's a big range possible there.

The writers don't care one little bit about characterization. They only care about contrived angst and drama and will screw with characterization or relationships however it takes to make it happen.

I shudder to think what they will do to CS in a S7.

Not really. Part Time means she's still a regular. She still gets regular credit. She will not get that if it's just two episodes. Based on my understanding of shows I've watched with part time actors, expect JMO to be in rougly 70-75% of all episodes in S7. She's gonna miss a couple.

Just think of her episode count as similar to Belle this season. My range is 15-18 episodes, 9-10 if they only get a 13 episode order which I could see as well.

She will be in the majority of the episodes though. Otherwise she would be guest star/recurring.

Edited March 31, 2017 by cappoe

[Souris]

24 minutes ago, Stuffy said:

That's a fake website. I've never understood the point of it unless it's making money from the adds. Put in any of the actors names and laugh at the headlines. 

Good Lord, that's one of the fakest "news" sites I've ever seen! And I've seen a bunch of them. What nonsense!

5 minutes ago, cappoe said:

Not really. Part Time means she's still a regular. She still gets regular credit. She will not get that if it's just two episodes. Based on my understanding of shows I've watched with part time actors, expect JMO to be in rougly 70-75% of all episodes in S7. She's gonna miss a couple.

Seriously, we can't take what Larry said like it's a gospel fact. And even if Jen being "part time" is true, we don't know what the contract terms for that are. We can't assume anything. We can speculate based on what's likely or common in the biz, but we simply won't know the details unless and until they announce something.

[cappoe]

Quote

Seriously, we can't take what Larry said like it's a gospel fact. And even if Jen being "part time" is true, we don't know what the contract terms for that are. We can't assume anything. We can speculate based on what's likely or common in the biz, but we simply won't know the details unless and until they announce something.

I'm sure if we get a S7 the first news that breaks out is those three returning and hopefully that S7 is the last bc ratings are already low.

[Free]

3 minutes ago, cappoe said:

I'm sure if we get a S7 the first news that breaks out is those three returning and hopefully that S7 is the last bc ratings are already low.

Agreed, the show is still in a decline even as it is, losing several characters isn't going to help that.

[Mathius]

ABC would be smart to not renew it, since it's so freaking obvious that the already bad ratings will drop lower if they did.