Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Curio]

7 minutes ago, cappoe said:

Confused why it's a big deal if Emma and Regina hug...they're family...literally. She's her step grandma.

It really isn't that big of a deal at the end of the day. But as someone who's desperately tired of the REC and wants Graham to finally be resolved after half a decade of waiting, and knowing we're going to have to sit through multiple episodes of angst over the whole Killian-is-too-consumed-with-guilt-about-Robert-so-he-ditches-town-for-a-while-with-Ariel-and-Jasmine, any kind of positive Charming Family/Regina interaction where Graham isn't brought up before the series ends is going to leave a bitter taste in my mouth. 

[Mathius]

20 minutes ago, oncebluethrone said:

Jaime Murray's still filming according to katmtan.

Actually, she said she isn't certain.  She was still in Vancouver a few days ago, but she's going to be in Cleveland for March 17 - 19.

Edited March 15, 2017 by Mathius

[KingOfHearts]

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It really isn't that big of a deal at the end of the day. But as someone who's desperately tired of the REC and wants Graham to finally be resolved after half a decade of waiting

Emma and Regina hug passionately.
Regina: "Oh, by the way, I killed Graham."
Emma's eyes grow big. Cut to black.

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FLASHBACK: Graham kills a village.

That's how A&E would start the reboot.

Edited March 15, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Camera One]

1 minute ago, KingOfHearts said:

.Emma and Regina hug.
Regina: "Oh, by the way, I killed Graham."

FLASHBACK: Graham kills a village.

On this show, there isn't a problem we can't solve!

Edited March 15, 2017 by Camera One

[InsertWordHere]

Graham is the real Big Bad!By saving Snow's life, he caused the Curse to be cast. It's all his fault. 

[orza]

25 minutes ago, Curio said:

It really isn't that big of a deal at the end of the day. But as someone who's desperately tired of the REC and wants Graham to finally be resolved after half a decade of waiting, and knowing we're going to have to sit through multiple episodes of angst over the whole Killian-is-too-consumed-with-guilt-about-Robert-so-he-ditches-town-for-a-while-with-Ariel-and-Jasmine, any kind of positive Charming Family/Regina interaction where Graham isn't brought up before the series ends is going to leave a bitter taste in my mouth. 

Graham was a plot device minor character who died in episode 1-7. The other characters got a plausible explanation of his death that they accepted and he stopped being relevant in the following episode. His dramatic purpose was to raise the stakes and show viewers it would not be all fluffy romance. There's no need to revisit Graham's death. That chapter was closed 5 years ago. Emma knew Graham for, what, all of two weeks. He wasn't her boyfriend or any kind of romantic partner. He just gave her a job.

[Serena]

No need to explain; we know who Graham was. And we disagree on whether revisiting his death is necessary or not. Since we're revisiting the death of Charming's father, who didn't even have a name until recently, the writers don't necessarily always do what's "necessary".

Edited March 15, 2017 by Serena

[Camera One]

I'm going to reply to that other Graham comment in the Emma thread.

16 minutes ago, InsertWordHere said:

Graham is the real Big Bad!By saving Snow's life, he caused the Curse to be cast. It's all his fault. 

That's a really good point.  I never thought of it that way.  Emma's life would have been so much better.  She would have found peace in the Existential Nirvana Realm of course.

Edited March 15, 2017 by Camera One

[InsertWordHere]

9 minutes ago, orza said:

The other characters got a plausible explanation of his death that they accepted and he stopped being relevant in the following episode.

Moving my response to the Regina thread. 

Edited March 15, 2017 by InsertWordHere

[Mathius]

15 minutes ago, Serena said:

Since we're revisiting the death of Charming's father, who didn't even have a name until recently, the writers don't necessarily always do what's "necessary".

That's just what I was gonna say.  We can do an arc based around retconning that David's dad was murdered and needing to find the culprit, but not around an actual unsolved murder that would accomplish the exact same "tearing the group apart" goal that the Evil Queen had in mind?

Edited March 15, 2017 by Mathius

[PixiePaws1]

Given the casting of this Andrew West for the finale/proposed reboot...anyone else find Rumple's:

 "Someday may we all be reunited with our sons."

Waaaay too prophetic?

[oncebluethrone]

39 minutes ago, Mathius said:

Actually, she said she isn't certain.  She was still in Vancouver a few days ago, but she's going to be in Cleveland for March 17 - 19.

Oh, I didn't catch that.

[Camera One]

I just returned from a trip to the future, and here's a interview I read while I was there.

SCHMOOZING TV REPORTER: So, how did you come up with the title of the finale "The Final Battle Part 1 & 2"?  Is it a call-back to the pilot?

EDDY: It definitely is.  If you remember from that very first episode, Rumple prophesized that "the final battle will begin".  We always planned to end the current narrative with that final battle.

ADAM: Everything we have written has led up to this battle.  We have put all the chess pieces in place so this could happen at this point in time.

TRUTHFUL TV REPORTER: You mean you didn't accidentally overturn the chess board and all the pieces are lying randomly all over the floor?

EDDY: CUT.  Get him out of here!

SCHMOOZING TV REPORTER: This season has been wonderful in that it has revisited so many aspects of Season 1, with old favorites returning like Cinderella, August, Archie and of course the ever popular Evil Queen.  Was that all a part of the plan?

EDDY: Of course.  Season 6 had always been about coming full circle.  Seeing those characters again allowed us to really put the icing on the cake and finish the show in a very satisfying way.

ADAM: It was always in the plan to close out our current narrative with the sixth season.  You probably noticed we made a real conscious effort to bring back ideas from the first season, with Emma showing Aladdin the sign she crashed into, and, uh, hmmm...

TRUTHFUL TV REPORTER: Wait a minute.  I am just reading the script for the pilot, and the line before "the final battle will begin" was "The child will find you - and the final battle will begin."  Doesn't that imply a battle immediately after Henry found Emma.

EDDY: No.  We made a real conscious effort to not indicate a time before the final battle will begin.

ADAM:  The perceptive viewers will notice that everything is planned.  What Rumple actually whispered if you go back and slow the frame rate of the pilot is "The child will find you - then Cora and Captain Hook will come to Storybrooke and then Peter Pan will take over Henry's body and then Zelena turns out to be Regina's sister and then the Snow Queen turns out to be Emma's ex-foster mother and then the Queens of Darkness who team up with Rumple who pines over Belle who dates Will from a spinoff show and then Merlin dies and tells everyone to find Nimue and then Hook dies and then Robin dies and then Hades dies and then Rumbelle procreates and then Snow teaches the third law of motion - and the final battle will begin."  It's all planned from the beginning.

Edited March 15, 2017 by Camera One

[sharky]

I mean, that's nice, @Camera One, but it really lacks some Can't Says.

[Souris]

According to set stalker, one of the people being listed as renegotiating -- their character is actually being killed off. I know everybody will assume Rumple, but I still worry about Emma.

Zelena and Jasmine shenanigans.

Edited March 16, 2017 by Souris

[Free]

1 hour ago, Souris said:

According to set stalker, one of the people being listed as renegotiating -- their character is actually being killed off. I know everybody will assume Rumple, but I still worry about Emma.

Zelena and Jasmine shenanigans.

I figured as much, it's a final battle with possibly several main characters on their way out.

[cappoe]

1 hour ago, Souris said:

According to set stalker, one of the people being listed as renegotiating -- their character is actually being killed off. I know everybody will assume Rumple, but I still worry about Emma.

Zelena and Jasmine shenanigans.

Actually if it's the final season I say Rumple or Regina.

If it's not I say Rumple.

[KingOfHearts]

S6 really doesn't feel like a "final season" at all. It's more like the run-of-the-mill filler junk.

Edited March 16, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[cappoe]

I honestly don't think Emma is dying. You don't predate a whole "you're gonna die" storyline a whole season to end with her dying. That's just horrible storytelling.

I find it way more likely Rumple is dying or Regina.

[Camera One]

3 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

S6 really doesn't feel like a "final season" at all. It's more like the run-of-the-mill filler junk.

That's why we are so getting gypped.  And I swear A&E will claim that they had it planned all along.

[Serena]

Rumple seems to be the one who would fit the most. I mean, he can decide to be brave this time and do *insert self-sacrifice here* to save Neal Do-Over, The Sequel, and die. 

[Camera One]

The danger is A&E knowing everyone will guess Rumple, and decide they should go with Emma or Snow or Charming, or probably all 3 dead is what they really want.  That would give a lot of fodder for a spinoff that only has Regina and Hook.  The only hope is in Robert Carlyle refusing to do Season 7.

[cappoe]

9 minutes ago, Camera One said:

The danger is A&E knowing everyone will guess Rumple, and decide they should go with Emma or Snow or Charming, or probably all 3 dead is what they really want.  That would give a lot of fodder for a spinoff that only has Regina and Hook.  The only hope is in Robert Carlyle refusing to do Season 7.

There's no danger in that. This show is incredibly predictable. We all knew Neal and Robin were dying multiple episodes before it happened.

[sharky]

The issue is which actor is the most logical to want to leave and that clearly seems to be Robert. I do t think we will have to wait long for an answer though -- they're filming in Steveston next week. 

[cappoe]

Plus it's horrible storyline for Emma to die because it sends the message that you cannot beat your fate in the end. So yeah my money is definitely on Rumple. Especially if his mother is the big bad, that makes it double necessary.

[KingOfHearts]

1 hour ago, Camera One said:

That's why we are so getting gypped.  And I swear A&E will claim that they had it planned all along.

I wouldn't even mind a stupid A&E-style final season. I just want it to end with the dignity knowing ahead of time it was being cancelled.

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Plus it's horrible storyline for Emma to die because it sends the message that you cannot beat your fate in the end. So yeah my money is definitely on Rumple. Especially if his mother is the big bad, that makes it double necessary.

Maybe they go to Agrabah to get the Fate Shears, but they have to trade Emma's life for someone else's, and Rumple gets the short straw. If Hook was the one to choose, that would be some poetic justice there. Or, maybe Rumple sacrifices himself to keep Gideon from killing her and going dark. I actually think that's going to happen. It would give Rumpbelle that sappy bittersweet ending the writers would want.

Edited March 16, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Camera One]

I would love a show all about Gideon.  Oooh, how about Dark Hood Swan?  Trying to kill someone is the first step to true love after all.  They were both orphans for 28 years.  They both love their hooded clothing.  All they need is a bike ride and some nicknames and the Sapling of True Love should sprout.

[Free]

2 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

S6 really doesn't feel like a "final season" at all. It's more like the run-of-the-mill filler junk.

Because it wasn't planned, it's a checklist of things A&E put in to try and wrap up the main story at the last minute, hence why it's so rushed.

[cappoe]

Reasons why it makes sense for Rumple to die.

1. Black Fairy is the villain, his mother. A parallel to Going Home. He sacrifices his life to kill his mother.

2. Rumbelle is no longer a romance. They've distanced them completely. Belle also has something worth living for should Rumple die aka her son Gideon.

3. Gideon is redeemed completely through his fathers sacrifice.

4. Rumple and Baelfire are reunited in the afterlife which is what he's always wanted. 

5. After everything he's done in this series, he's the only one that can be redeemed only through death.

6. Emma dying is a red herring. You don't promote a you're going to die storyline all season with the person actually dying. So that's why I think it'll be Rumple.

Only good things can come from Rumple's death and the most important of all with his death goes The Dark One curse.

[Curio]

7. If Rumple dies, Zelena dies as well because their hearts are magically connected.

[cappoe]

3 minutes ago, Curio said:

7. If Rumple dies, Zelena dies as well because their hearts are magically connected.

No they're not. It's only if Zelena dies, Rumple dies as well. Not the other way around.

[Curio]

3 minutes ago, cappoe said:

No they're not. It's only if Zelena dies, Rumple dies as well. Not the other way around.

Has this been established on the show? I figured it was a symmetric property of equality thing.

[cappoe]

1 minute ago, Curio said:

Has this been established on the show? I figured it was a symmetric property of equality thing.

Rumple's heart started hurting when he was choking Zelena. Which means his life is connected to her. Cause if she dies, the magic that is in his heart dies with her. There's no tie Rumple has on Zelena to make it an equal thing.

[Curio]

I'll alter my point to say this: 7. Rumple can finally kill Zelena, because if he kills her, he gets to die too.

[Souris]

Maybe they're using the specter of Emma dying to distract from everybody expecting Rumple to die.

Why are they spending time on Jasmine and Zelena in the finale? So weird.

And apparently Jen isn't filming today or tomorrow because she went back to LA yesterday.

Edited March 16, 2017 by Souris

[PixiePaws1]

1st sneak peek is up but i am work and can't link it..can someone do the honours?

[cappoe]

14 minutes ago, Souris said:

Maybe they're using the specter of Emma dying to distract from everybody expecting Rumple to die.

Why are they spending time on Jasmine and Zelena in the finale? So weird.

And apparently Jen isn't filming today or tomorrow because she went back to LA yesterday.

Colin nor Gosh are filming either.

 

And if this finale is Rumple-centric then he's dying and IMO it makes the most sense for him to die.

Edited March 16, 2017 by cappoe

[oncebluethrone]

My bets are on Rumple dying too. But he had better stay dead.

 

On another note this is a youtube theory I found about a possible connection between the Dark Realm and Neverland. 

[cappoe]

Lots of Bobby, Giles, and Jamie filming. Sounds Rumple-centric to me.

[Souris]

Just one theory for how I could possibly see things going, with the bulk of the cast leaving except for Lana (because obviously they’d have to pry Regina out of A&E’s cold, dead hands). This could set up a Regina-centric reboot. Because let's be real, Lana isn't going anywhere.

Something happens and everybody will have to return to the EF a la “Going Home” – except, once again, for Henry, since he was born in this world. Emma will be able to stay with him because she is the Savior, but that would part her from Hook and her parents forever. (We’ll ignore that people seem to be able to travel realms at will these days; perhaps whatever happens will permanently seal the walls.)

Regina will stab and kill Emma in order to become the Savior and stay with Henry. If they’re giving Emma a happy ending, Regina will then split Hook’s heart and revive Emma with half of it, but Emma will no longer be the Savior. Everybody but Regina and Henry will return to the EF. Henry would understandably then grow up friendless and hopeless into the aged-up version, since he’ll be stuck with only Regina in his life.

[KingOfHearts]

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On another note this is a youtube theory I found about a possible connection between the Dark Realm and Neverland. 

Replying in Speculation.

[Curio]

It definitely sounds like the finale is going to be very Rumple-centric. So they're cramming in the whole Black Fairy/Rumple/Gideon/Belle drama along with finishing Jasmine and Aladdin's stuff with Jafar? I really hope this isn't the series finale...

If ABC announces this is the final season, I'm ending with the musical episode as my series finale. If Season 7 is greenlit, I might have it in me to watch the two-parter.

Edited March 16, 2017 by Curio

[cappoe]

Until I know one way or another, the series finale for me is the musical episode.

[Camera One]

I doubt it's a coincidence that "Tiger Lily" has the name Lily in it.  Will we finally get to see Emma's other BFF again soon?  Or maybe Lily had a baby with Tigger and Tiger Lily is the child.

[maryle]

With the BF confirming she will be filming instead of going to the convention.

The title of the final hitting at a Rumor terminology.

The storyline of all season with the heavy focus on Rumbelle, Rumple lign about being reunite with his son.

The tweet from the paparazzi I am in the Rumple will be the dead but he can come back in the infamous reboot for flashback and stuff.

Adding I totally picture R.C to be happy with a bittersweet end for his character I can't see the same for Jen. She definitely always seems to want a happy ending for her character and cs.

[cappoe]

Welp guys it's confirmed Rumple is dying, the guy spoiled it.

JMO may not return still but she is still in negotiations. So they do want to keep her.

[maryle]

Just saw it!!?

Honestly, I am happy they really don't know what to do with Rumple at this point.

I mean can't imagine another year of Rumbelle conflict like this year.

For jmo I don't think he knows a lot just vague gossip but happy she still negotiating. So there mutual interest.

[cappoe]

Yeah I am happy JMO is still negotiating. Though it does seem like they may pull an Elena on Emma. And we'll be going through a season long separation for CS until they're reuntied at the end of S7.

S7 better be the last.

It better be 13 episodes AT MOST

It better have all the people we're losing back for special guest stars especially JMO for an episode or two.

Not that I care because aside from Hook scenes on youtube I refuse to watch until I know CS is reunited.

It's better to write both Emma and Hook off at the end of the finale going on their honeymoon on the JR.

Let Lana stay and kill this show completely like she's done.

[Rumsy4]

Even if Rumple dies in the finale in a retread of "Going Home", that doesn't mean he can't come back for a potential Season 7 in a number of different ways (brought back to life/flashbacks only/Dark One Ghost). 

[cappoe]

Just now, Rumsy4 said:

Even if Rumple dies in the finale in a retread of "Going Home", that doesn't mean he can't come back for a potential Season 7 in a number of different ways (brought back to life/flashbacks only/Dark One Ghost). 

Please Bobby checked out of this show in S4. LOL. He's probably ready to leave.