Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[RadioGirl27]

10 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Meanwhile, the writers are just pushing the Rumpbelle and Regina stuff no one wants to see. Why the heck would you not a market a proposal? Especially one that involves one of the show's most popular couples.

Because there is a big disconnection between what Adam and Eddy think that GA (and the biggest part of the fandom) want to see and what the GA (and the biggest part of the fandom) really want to see. That is what happens when you use Twitter as your only source of feedback.  

[KAOS Agent]

I think they aren't pushing the proposal because it isn't going to happen. I assume something is going to put it off until much later in the season. The first few episodes feature the completion of the Wishverse, David, Rumpbelle and then Outlaw Queen with Aladdin/Jasmine in 6.15. So that's at least 4-5 episodes where Captain Swan aren't featured and I don't see a proposal coming as a secondary plot. I could be wrong, but I don't think it would happen outside of an Emma/Hook character-centric. Maybe in the Agrabah episode if Aladdin/Jasmine get engaged. Then we could get an Emma light bulb moment with an impulsive proposal from her beating Hook to it. 

I do think the writers could hint at big things coming for Captain Swan in the B arc. I don't think it should have anything to do with catering to individual fan groups, but you should be willing to push the stories that are coming for your characters, especially those that have been backburnered for others in the A arc.

[RadioGirl27]

18 minutes ago, KAOS Agent said:

I think they aren't pushing the proposal because it isn't going to happen.

Well, yeah, I'm pretty sure Emma is going to say no the first time. I mean, it's been 6 episodes since the last time her WALLS!!!! made an appearance. It's time for a come back.

If she says no, I hope Killian leaves in the Nautilus with Liam 2.0 and Captain Nemo and never looks back.

[PixiePaws1]

47 minutes ago, RadioGirl27 said:

 

If she says no, I hope Killian leaves in the Nautilus with Liam 2.0 and Captain Nemo and never looks back.

And i'd be ok with that if they went into their own spin off....and Emma finally stops groveling at Regina's feet and stows away on board...!

[Camera One]

1 hour ago, RadioGirl27 said:

Well, yeah, I'm pretty sure Emma is going to say no the first time. I mean, it's been 6 episodes since the last time her WALLS!!!! made an appearance. It's time for a come back.

Yep, it's not fair when she is slated for death / he is too good for her / she doesn't deserve happiness.  Hopefully, we will get to see another flashback with Cori?  Camry?  Clarice?  well whatever her name was, to remind her that she deserves happiness too!  It will be a challenge since she died, but A&E will find a way I'm sure.  Could she possibly be in the Wish Realm.  Stay tuned!

Edited December 11, 2016 by Camera One

[KingOfHearts]

1 hour ago, RadioGirl27 said:

Well, yeah, I'm pretty sure Emma is going to say no the first time. I mean, it's been 6 episodes since the last time her WALLS!!!! made an appearance. It's time for a come back.

Taking my reply to the Emma thread because it, well, doesn't concern spoilers directly.

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If she says no, I hope Killian leaves in the Nautilus with Liam 2.0 and Captain Nemo and never looks back.

This. I hope Killian gets all the kittens and rainbows in the world. Him and Zelena both.

Edited December 11, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[KAOS Agent]

If Hook does attempt to propose early in the season, I expect proposal interruptus. Hook will work to create a romantic moment and then something happens before he can pop the question or before she can answer. Whatever it is leads to Emma's "death" and we get more angst and no joy from what should have been a rare happy moment on this show. I have no faith in anything good ever happening for these characters ever again. 

[Shanna Marie]

I don't think the network leaked news of a proposal now, mostly because that would be terrible marketing. It would do them no good whatsoever, since the show won't be airing again until March. There are no ratings to drive up, no real benefit from fans getting excited. If you're going to leak news like that, you do it a week or two before the show comes back, when it might actually do some good. Even if fans got excited, the excitement will fade before the show comes back. This is when you go semi-quiet, hope the fans go off and have a nice holiday and forget about how unhappy they are, and then you start spilling news that might bring them back a week or two before the spring premiere.

[Dianthus]

Is it wrong that I'm now imagining Old Hook with a peg leg as well? It's more suffering for him, but it fits with going full pirate, as well as the survivor thing.

[sharky]

10 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

I don't think the network leaked news of a proposal now, mostly because that would be terrible marketing. It would do them no good whatsoever, since the show won't be airing again until March. There are no ratings to drive up, no real benefit from fans getting excited. If you're going to leak news like that, you do it a week or two before the show comes back, when it might actually do some good. Even if fans got excited, the excitement will fade before the show comes back. This is when you go semi-quiet, hope the fans go off and have a nice holiday and forget about how unhappy they are, and then you start spilling news that might bring them back a week or two before the spring premiere.

At the same time, something was definitely up with the timing of that post. We saw the ring in the teaser on Sunday but the photos of the scene between Hook and David came out after that and were supposedly filmed before the finale -- which, again, can be verified by the fact that the ring showed up in the teaser. So someone was taking advantage of CS fan angst, either the network or -- perhaps more likely -- Canadagraphs. After all, didn't they say they had a huge spike in traffic when they posted those shots? I don't know if it necessarily matters who as much as it just proves that CS fans are the ones who are really bringing in the traffic and viewers and want some damn little kernel of happiness instead of all this nonsense we get every damn week. Seriously, how hard would it have been to have just a little extra CS happiness in that finale? Just a little "Emma, I will find you. I will always find you." How hard is that?

[Serena]

Why do people think ABC would ~leak news of the engagement to a random Canadian pap only a few die-hard fans know? They would give the info to Natalie Abrams in exchange for her writing a blurb on the print version of EW. 

[KingOfHearts]

Grumpy will constantly interrupt Hook's proposals and it will be this half-season's source of comic relief.

[tri4335]

I don't think ABC would leak the news. However, given the talk in the ratings thread then I could see A & E letting Candagraphs release it to generate buzz on social media to help their cause that their show is awesome!  Like I said in the writer's thread, they are not necessarily fighting for OUAT as much as they are fighting for a new gig.  The other reason is Candagraphs trying to improve traffic for his site maybe to increase his ad revenue or sell shots.

[KingOfHearts]

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A new actor is playing young Bealfire in episode 13

I really miss Dylan Schmid.

Bae/Neal has been played by 5 different actors now.

Edited December 11, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[YaddaYadda]

24 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

I really miss Dylan Schmid.

Bae/Neal has been played by 5 different actors now.

Dylan Schmid is in this Hulu original series, and the kid they cast looks a lot like what he looks like now. So the casting department is still doing really good casting parents and children. 

Are they going to give Bae dark tendencies in this episode that will be reflected in the present with Gideon?

Gideon and Hook scenes were filmed on Friday at what I'm assuming is the docks, so that should be interesting.

[Rumsy4]

Are they still trying the milk the woobie Rumple angle with young Baelfire flashbacks?? Dylan Schmidt really brought something to the role. A new actor for that part is just going to feel as fake as Rumple's redemption.

1 minute ago, YaddaYadda said:

Gideon and Hook scenes were filmed on Friday at what I'm assuming is the docks, so that should be interesting.

That ought to be good. Hook has history with one of Rumple's sons. It will be interesting to see how it goes with the other.

[KingOfHearts]

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Are they going to give Bae dark tendencies in this episode that will be reflected in the present with Gideon?

Normally, I would say that since Bae wasn't conceived from a Dark One, he shouldn't have dark tendencies. But Fairy Poppins is his grandmother, so.

Edited December 11, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Souris]

1 hour ago, Rumsy4 said:

That ought to be good. Hook has history with one of Rumple's sons. It will be interesting to see how it goes with the other.

And this one wants to kill Hook's True Love.

[maryle]

At this point another Bae flash back seem superfluous even for a probable parallel with Rumbelle newest son. 

Kinda happy about Killian and Gideon  scene because he probably has a actif role in the a plot Emma and co. against Gideon and the Gold.

But, if I am suppose to still care for a upcoming engagement between Emma and Hook and they never have scene together or fight the baddie as a team anymore.

Even if I love them, it won't happen. I will feel it is out of blue and not good for the pairing.

Edited December 12, 2016 by maryle
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[KingOfHearts]

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At this point another Bar flash back seem superfluous even for a probable parallel with Rumbelle newest son. 

It smells of retcon. Pretty much every Bae flashback since 3A has been a retcon of some sort.

[Free]

3 hours ago, tri4335 said:

I don't think ABC would leak the news. However, given the talk in the ratings thread then I could see A & E letting Candagraphs release it to generate buzz on social media to help their cause that their show is awesome!  Like I said in the writer's thread, they are not necessarily fighting for OUAT as much as they are fighting for a new gig.  The other reason is Candagraphs trying to improve traffic for his site maybe to increase his ad revenue or sell shots.

I'm not sure what else there is, they've pretty much burned themselves out throwing out characters out there.

[janett snakehole]

I'm not trying to say I think for sure that A&E or someone on production gave permission to leak it, just that it seems possible. Leaks like this usually stay within the fandom so it's not like it ruins the experience for the general audience. But who knows honestly. It's likely it was just the pap looking to get hits, but I wouldn't be shocked it someone sort of made it know it was okay to spoil. What I find interesting is that some of the set goers and paps have relationships with people in production and get bts information that they wouldn't have from just going to set. 

And like some have said, I imagine the proposal not happening until the later half of the season, probably the finale. Way to built suspense right? Tease it in episode 12 or 13 and then don't follow through until 21. But I would prefer it be earned and not just pop up out of nowhere in a season that hasn't focused on that relationship at all. 

[maryle]

 I am ambivalent about the proposal and if that cann happen organicallyrganuca for the pairing.

there still time in the season to have a good build up. If ep15 Aladdin and Jasmine have a cs adventure, and 16 is Hook centric with a certain focus on his relationship with Emma. Adding, with a final in which cs is together.  Some 

 A cs engagement in the end become fine for me. But, I am not sure if I am confident in the writers anymore.

[KingOfHearts]

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615 - A Wondrous Place

Gag.

They've gotten really on the nose with the song/Disney references. 

Edited December 12, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Souris]

35 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Gag.

They've gotten really on the nose with the song/Disney references. 

I'm surprised it's not "A Whole New World."

[KingOfHearts]

Just now, Souris said:

I'm surprised it's not "A Whole New World."

I guess the promo voiceover stole that one already.

[RadioGirl27]

Well, at least A&E are not writting this one. Maybe Jane Espenson &  Jerome Schwartz can make Aladdin and Jasmine some justice.

[Shanna Marie]

I had to giggle about that title because I was at a friend's birthday party last night at a karaoke room, and another friend and I sang "A Whole New World," so that line has been stuck in my head all day. And then a see the spoiler that it's an episode title. (And no, I wasn't singing it because of this show -- it's kind of become a running joke with that friend. My group has started getting together at this place every so often, and the first time, that song was already cued up when we got there, so this guy and I went ahead with singing it, and were doing pretty well, since we're both singers, and we were even harmonizing. But then someone else was messing around with the controls and cut it off midway through, so now it's become obligatory that we sing it every time.)

Oh wait, I was singing this in my head all day, and now it's an episode title? Do I need to wrap my head in tinfoil? Or would the show get better if they started reading my brain waves?

[Mathius]

Jane and Jerome are writing the episode, and they were both on OUATIW....yep, we're getting Genie-Jafar in this one.

[RadioGirl27]

If someone was wondering about Regina's better half, she seems to be back in episode 14, in time for Regina's umpteenth flashback.

Season 7 seems more and more far away. Looking at this spoilers (a Rumple flashback and a Regina flashback in the four first episodes after the break), I expect a 0.5 by episode 15.

[KingOfHearts]

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If someone was wondering about Regina's better half, she seems to be back in episode 14, in time for Regina's umpteenth flashback.

I feel like we're just spending 6B wrapping up plots from 6A. Charming's dad, the Evil Queen, Gideon, Emma's Savioritis, Aladdin, etc. Those plots were so terrible that it doesn't give me hope that we'll be getting anything new to be excited about. What the heck are they going to market? "Here's a bunch of stuff you've already seen, and OMG Black Fairy!... see her in five-to-six episodes!"

Edited December 13, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Camera One]

"We haven't made you hate Aladdin and Jasmine yet?  Well, they're back to show you a whole new world yet again... in four-or-five episodes!"

[KingOfHearts]

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Said tease was that Robin will be the major "wrinkle" in Emma and Regina getting back to the real world - assuming Regina wants to go back. 

Regina really doesn't have much of a reason to go back. In the wish realm, Zelena is absent, the Charmings are dead/gone but Henry is there, and Robin is alive. Sure, Henry thinks Regina killed his grandparents and the kingdom is terrified of her. As Disney!Ursula puts it, "But, you'll have your man."

Edited December 14, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Camera One]

So when Regina FINALLY is able to let Robin Hood go and return to Storybrooke, the Outlaw Queen fans will have real closure.  Riiiiiiiiiiiight...

[KAOS Agent]

Nope, she's going to refuse to go home until Emma can figure out a way to bring him with them. He's totally not fake like the freshly murdered Snowing. Not at all. I hate this wishverse storyline so much. I would hate it a lot less if Regina stayed there though. Stay with your fake boyfriend, Regina.

Also, Regina is back to filming with Henry Sr. Because we haven't explored that relationship/backstory enough. 

[Camera One]

We need to explore Regina's relationship with her parents 100 more times before Snow gets to deal with her parents getting murdered.

[Souris]

Season 6 is the TV show equivalent of fingernails on a chalkboard. 

Oh, goody, an EQ flashback! We haven't seen her in EVER so long! Jesus wept. Meanwhile, Jen has filmed like two days in the past four weeks. But, sure, the second half of the season is going to be better than the first. Riiiiiiiight.

We know Robin comes back to SB -- he was there when Emma fought Gideon.

Edited December 14, 2016 by Souris

[KingOfHearts]

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So when Regina FINALLY is able to let Robin Hood go and return to Storybrooke, the Outlaw Queen fans will have real closure.  Riiiiiiiiiiiight...

Robin's return is just beating a dead horse. Yes, yes, Outlaw Queen was mishandled, but do we need to explore the "forbidden love" angle for the umpteenth time? I really don't care that Regina is going to make dumb decisions and lose him again. Why? Because Zelena is over there crying over her baby's crib because she has no family, no friends, and no life. She's the one with the real problems and conflict. 

I have a strong feeling Regina is going to screw herself over with bringing Robin to SB, then blame the universe or someone else for it.

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 But, sure, the second half of the season is going to be better than the first. Riiiiiiiight.

Part of me wants it to be a complete and utter trainwreck. I want it to see just how bad it can get.

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Zelena's probably dead.

... If Zelena dies, I'll probably quit. I can't take another human sacrifice at the Altar of Regina.

Edited December 14, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[KAOS Agent]

Zelena's probably dead. Has she filmed at all recently? No. But at least Bex was smarter than Socha and took off to get married and enjoy a honeymoon rather than wait around for A&E to screw over her character.

Did anyone notice how clean shaven Colin was at the Trevor Project thing? That says he wasn't filming before that either. 6B looks to be the Regina and Rumpel show. I can't tell you how exciting that is. On the bright side, at least they won't be making out anymore.

[Curio]

Holy shit. Is Regina and Henry Sr going to get more seasonal screen time than Emma/Snowing again? So it appears that Snow and Charming's curse still isn't fixed, Emma is barely in any episodes, and Hook still doesn't have any plot line for himself. This is why I need a Season 7...we can't end on this shit. Please, ABC gods, give me one more odd-numbered season that focuses more on The Charmings and their Pirate Mascot (because that's generally the trend).

[Souris]

10 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Part of me wants it to be a complete and utter trainwreck. I want it to see just how bad it can get.

I think you have a far better chance of getting your wish than those who think it's going to get better and CaptainSwan will get focus and an arc.

2 minutes ago, KAOS Agent said:

Zelena's probably dead. Has she filmed at all recently? No. But at least Bex was smarter than Socha and took off to get married and enjoy a honeymoon rather than wait around for A&E to screw over her character.

Did anyone notice how clean shaven Colin was at the Trevor Project thing? That says he wasn't filming before that either. 

I certainly noticed! But it was after the show took off the entire week of Thanksgiving, so he may have just shaved for that week. But I think it probably does point to him not filming for at least a few days afterward. From what I've seen, hardly anybody filmed for 6x13 except Rumple, Gideon & Belle.

Bex was apparently in Vancouver for the recent snow, because she posted an IG video of it. And I seem to remember she snapchatted from the set at some point this month.

[KingOfHearts]

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Please, ABC gods, give me one more odd-numbered season

So Once is the opposite of the original Star Trek movies? Interesting.

Edited December 14, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Curio]

I still don't understand what they're trying to accomplish with this "Page 23" upcoming episode. The chance to explore that AU scenario should have been during the AU they already filmed and aired on TV, not some separate random one-off episode tacked on later to the story. I just don't understand the logic. How is it that A&E and the writers set up a "what if" scenario years ago with the tavern and Page 23 that would have perfectly introduced us to a Princess Emma AU, and then they didn't even use that "what if" scenario as the set up to the Princess Emma AU?

It's like they had Chekhov's gun lying in plain sight on their coffee table for two years, and every morning, A&E would drink espresso and set their cups down next to Chekhov's gun. Then, one day, A&E realized they needed a gun for something, but instead of using the perfectly capable gun that had been sitting on the coffee table in plain sight for two years, they went to the store and bought a completely useless toy water gun. A&E then became discouraged because they realized water is not as effective as real bullets, so they sat down at the coffee table with more espresso to brainstorm where to find a gun, they finally saw Chekhov's gun they bought two years ago, and decided, "Eh, we might as well shoot it one time."

[YaddaYadda]

I think it's time they retired the Evil Queen flashbacks completely.

I'm not here for the millionth rendition of "Regina, you have to let Daniel go and forgive." I can watch 2x05 and remember that Regina hasn't forgiven anyone for Daniel or Robin for that matter. We can just ask Zelena.

Edited December 14, 2016 by YaddaYadda

[Curio]

24 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

I think it's time they retired the Evil Queen flashbacks completely.

 

How about just retire the Evil Queen. Period. I can't believe they haven't resolved this predictable split Regina plot line yet. We all know Regina is going to reabsorb her other half, so why wait until 6B to do it? We knew how this was going to end the second they introduced it in Season 5. They aren't fooling anyone with this waiting game, and the longer they take, the worse Regina looks because the obvious answer has been in front of her nose the entire time.

And if Regina doesn't reabsorb her other half, then this entire plot was an absolute waste and the final step of whitewashing Regina will be completed.

[Rumsy4]

7 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

I have a strong feeling Regina is going to screw herself over with bringing Robin to SB, then blame the universe or someone else for it.

She'll obviously blame Emma; Emma will feel guilty and push Hook away; cue close-up of Killian angst as he curls his fist on the ring he was about to propose with. In the season finale, Emma's breakthrough will be her asking him to marry her, walls down!!

7 hours ago, KAOS Agent said:

6B looks to be the Regina and Rumpel show. 

This whole season is that!! 

I had enough of Henry Sr.

2 minutes ago, Curio said:

We all know Regina is going to reabsorb her other half, so why wait until 6B to do it?

I no longer think this. They'll kill the EQ-half. Regina obviously re-grew the Darkness already. One way or the other, this arc is a waste.

[Curio]

7 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

I no longer think this. They'll kill the EQ-half. Regina obviously re-grew the Darkness already. One way or the other, this arc is a waste.

 

If that's the case, then people need to be able to call Regina out on her dark behavior. But since that rarely ever happens (you can only count on Hook and David for that anymore, and there's probably a reason those two don't interact with Regina much), I have no idea where they're going with this. I have a gut feeling they're going to kill off the EQ too, but for once, I'm hoping they go with the predictable plot we called a year ago.

Also, I swear if Emma doesn't call Regina out for being a huge hypocrite and doesn't throw Zarian in her face when she tries to bring Robin back to Storybrooke, I will riot. At most, I expect Emma to just timidly say, "Regina, do you remember what happened when I brought Marian back?" "Yeah, well, this is different. This is my True Love. Why do you deserve love and not me?" And then Emma will cave. Have a backbone, Emma! "Hey, remember when I brought back Marian because I wanted to save her life because you were about to kill her, so I was technically erasing a murder from your past, yet you yelled at me and treated me like shit because she just happened to be the wife of the guy you dated for a few weeks? And remember when you confessed to keeping Sidney hostage and plotted to murder Marian and I let that slide because I was trying to be your friend? And remember when I did all the heavy-lifting to try and repair our friendship because you were pissed off about me bringing someone to Storybrooke who didn't belong there? And remember when Marian actually turned out to be your sister and that you two were able to reconcile in the Underworld, only for you to shut her out again because you blame her for Robin's death even though that was all Hades' fault? So please tell me, why do you think bringing Robing back to Storybrooke is a good idea?"

[Rumsy4]

"You're not me."

Regina in a nutshell.

[RulerofallIsurvey]

9 hours ago, KAOS Agent said:

Also, Regina is back to filming with Henry Sr. Because we haven't explored that relationship/backstory enough. 

Wait - What?!  I missed this spoiler.  Is this true?  And if so: WTActualF?  You have got to be kidding me!  They got freakin' CLOSURE in the Underworld.  Why would we need to see another Regina/Daddy flashback now?  Geez, I might actually have to throw something at my tv if I see that.  And I don't want to throw anything at my tv.  I like my tv.  It's not my tv's fault.  

9 hours ago, Camera One said:

We need to explore Regina's relationship with her parents 100 more times before Snow gets to deal with her parents getting murdered.

Only 100 more?  Oh, you DO have Hope, don't you?  [/sarcasm]

[Curio]

Meanwhile, we still don't know who Hook's mother is. (Please be Davina "Davy" Jones or something to make up for the Brennan debacle.)