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maryle

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Helas! They definitely will.

There a new interview in tv guide  already hitting  big change in their relationship. 

I wonder if 6b is rumbelle coming together to help their song. What will next year story another separation or just Rumbelle in the background. 

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When everyone realized Rumple and Regina weren't coming back, they had a big celebration and put on a cloaking spell so they can never be found or contacted ever again.

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At least someone is freaking out over Emma's darkness. Keep giving a shit, Hook! You're pretty much the only one who does...

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HER GRANDMA IS EMMA! Are they being serious with this?

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I'm this close to quitting the show, tbh. I did not sign up for this Regina and Rumple fest, at the end of which, Regina will get to be hero , and Rumple will end up with Belle.

 

I'm close to quitting, too. I keep holding out hope because of a finale that aired nearly three years ago now, and I've held the show up to that standard ever since, but I need to accept the fact that the Season 3 finale was just a fluke and we'll never get anything like it again. I wish I could pretend that was the series finale and quit this show for good, but I'm too far down the rabbit hole to not finish until the bitter end.

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I'm still kind of adore the Evil Queen. I just can't get over her brutal honesty toward Regina. At this point I'll cheer for anyone who takes that "hero" down a peg.

 

I honestly don't even mind the Evil Queen. She can stay. Just, please, let Regina die instead.

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“Whether Emma and Hook are together in the winter finale isn’t the question to be asking,” responds co-creator Adam Horowitz. “The real question to ask is: Will the two of them be embarking on an epic adventure filled with romance, danger and passion in the second half of the season? And the answer is… yes.”

 

And the answer is...no. If I ever become a showrunner, I'll know exactly what not to say in interviews because of A&E. Why isn't that fan's question a legitimate question to ask? Adam is like the Wizard of Oz telling us not to pay any attention to the winter finale behind the curtain. It's a really bad sign that Adam can't even give a little bit of hope about the finale, and instead has to tell fans to look forward to a plot that probably won't even air until April. That's terrible. I've been waiting years for an AU like this, and in every single scenario I've come up with in my head, there's at least a few swashbuckling or romantic scenes with Princess Emma meeting Captain Hook. It practically writes itself. It doesn't even have to take up more than 5 minutes of screen time, but to completely ignore that possibility shows how out of tune the show runners are with their fandom. How do you give Emma a princess story line and not include blatant "The Princess Bride" shout outs? This just goes to show A&E aren't interested in Emma's fairy tale, only Regina's.

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Oh the irony. Just because you can freely change locations, it doesn't make your show flexible. The writing is extremely rigid.

They like to claim that their ADD style of writing is part of the show's DNA, but in other interviews, they discuss how they feel like they travel to too many realms and want to ground the show by keeping it in Storybrooke. So which it? Whenever they keep the story in Storybrooke, they get bored and want to go to a new land, but when they go to a new land, they claim that it takes away from the Season 1 vibe of the show and they go back to Maine. 

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KateJones

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6 hours ago, RadioGirl27 said:

I don't have any respect left for A&E as writers and showrunners, but I doubt they would kill her off permanently. That would be too stupid even for them. 

If JMo quits the show there's not a lot A&E can do about it.  Not their call. When SMG quit Buffy, it wasn't Joss Whedon's fault but the story was over. I'm getting that feeling. 

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Hookian

Hookian

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11 hours ago, Souris said:

I have had a sinking suspicion for awhile that Emma will die at the end of this season, too. I really feel like JMo is 100% over the show. It will seem like she beat the hooded figure, but as the Oracle said, the path may change but it will still happen.

JMO is not leaving the show and Emma is not gonna die. She's the main character, and JMO clearly is not done seeing as she's spending the entire summer and lots of the fall season of next year doing con appearances. 

Probably because the show is ending next season and it's like a farewell tour.

Emma's not gonna die, I'm shocked anyone believes that.

33 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

No way is JMo quitting. She doesn't seem the kind. She has stated that she loves Emma. She is most likely frustrated with the writing, but most of the main cast probably are. lol

Exactly. She's not quitting or leaving.

TBH if anyone would leave this year IMO it's Bex. The way they're treating Zelena is almost as bad as Robin last season. She'd be better off just returning for guest appearances then being wasted on 30 minutes of screentime in 9 episodes.

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Hookian

Hookian

4 minutes ago, Hookian said:

JMO is not leaving the show and Emma is not gonna die. She's the main character, and JMO clearly is not done seeing as she's spending the entire summer and lots of the fall season of next year doing con appearances. 

Probably because the show is ending next season and it's like a farewell tour.

Emma's not gonna die, I'm shocked anyone believes that.

Exactly. She's not quitting or leaving.

TBH if anyone would leave this year IMO it's Bex. The way they're treating Zelena is almost as bad as Robin last season. She'd be better off just returning for guest appearances then being wasted on 30 minutes of screentime in 9 episodes.

Unfortunately Captain Charming arc was benched till the second half of the season cause A and E decided about this Robin and AU storyline which they had to do. Stupid move on there part.

maryle

maryle

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I just watched a little teaser that Jen did for the final. The only thing she said was that Robin Hood the truth love a Regina was back. But, her usually so eloquent about her plot didn't really know was going on.

I won't project to much but she didn't have a lot to say. I kinda found funny her emphasis on Regina true love but nothing exciting.

I don't believe Jen will leave this year for many reasons( stable job helping finance her project, work with friends...) but mostly because she know Once will probably ending next year. They all know that.

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KingOfHearts

KingOfHearts

Hostage situation. Good job, EQ.

I don't understand why whenever a character is trying to avoid a prophecy, they create the circumstances anyway. Emma is marching around in Storybrooke at night with the same sword that will kill her. Why not destroy it if they're planning on trying to stop it from happening anyway? One thing I realized - Snow is still asleep. So whenever it comes to pass, Snowing's curse has to be lifted.

How is Regina going to follow Emma into the pocket universe? Is this just, "#SaveEmma"? I guess that's better than making it an AU where everything is wrong. Emma is going to have to be convinced to come back. (Perhaps without memories.)

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KingOfHearts

KingOfHearts

2 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

It's beyond stupid that the EQ knew what Emma told Aladdin. There's no explanation as to why she is omniscient. 

That's a problem with most of the villains on the show. They're omniscient except when they aren't. (Especially Hades, Pan and Rumple.)

I'll reserve judgement until the next episode. She may have done some legit eavesdropping. We just don't know yet.

PixiePaws1

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Don't forget the description in the ep blurb 'renegade genie'...Aladdin gave this twisted little inside-joke smirk when he realised where the EQ was going with her wish...he's clearly put some sort of loophole in it to foil the EQs intent....

Yeah...I'd say the sneak peeks are all the CS this ep. ...and AGAIN Killian and Charming watch on helpless while Emma gets pulled away. All that's missing is Regina saying how stupid she is and we're right back to 5x01. 

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

20 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

It's beyond stupid that the EQ knew what Emma told Aladdin. There's no explanation as to why she is omniscient. 

I could fanwank that since Emma and Aladdin were talking near the bug that EQ saw them through her mirror. In 6x08, Snow managed to rub 2 brain cells together and realized that they were being spied on through the mirror.

My whole thing with the second sneak peek is how these people are just standing around waiting for EQ to get done talking. She has the lamp in her hand while she's chatting away, and nobody is moving because of course she has to finish her speech. Emma has magic, take the stupid lamp away from her, free Jasmine. I know she's dim, but she's the closest to EQ, maybe she could tackle her to the ground where she would fall and lose the lamp. But nope, let the EQ talk and talk and talk.

The heroes are so stupid, it's a wonder they're even still alive.

I do like how Hook found out that Emma wished to not be the Savior. He's probably hating Henry right about now for the ridiculous fit he had over keeping the shears.

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KingOfHearts

KingOfHearts

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This line from the EQ in the second sneak peek summarizes what is wrong with this show: “This is about me. It’s always about me.”

Dang! The Evil Queen just keeps going with these truth bombs.

Why is Rumple playing nice with EQ when he has a sword in the stock room that can run her through? She and Hyde made such a big deal to him in 6x04 about how they were immortal. Was he just saving it as a trump card? If this sword can kill immortal entities, couldn't the Dagger as well since it's supposed to "leave mortal wounds" and presumably much more powerful?

The random sword is random.

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Curio

Curio

Wow, I realized they are literally just copying the Dark Hook plot from last season. An anti-hero character whose dark side is unleashed on Storybrooke? A magical sword with a red gem in the handle that is the only thing that can kill the villain? Emma attempting to run this person through with the sword? How does TS;TW always manage to recycle plots so often?

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KingOfHearts

KingOfHearts

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The curse-never-happened scenario really belonged in S4, when Emma was doubting her ability to be the Savior. That was the season where she felt the most screwed over for being who she was. Now she doesn't want to be Savior, not because of low self-esteem or fatigue from saving everyone all the time, but because of some imminent death that has nothing to do with anything. A No-Curse AU would have been much more beneficial than the Heroes and Villains AU.

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RulerofallIsurvey

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6 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

My whole thing with the second sneak peek is how these people are just standing around waiting for EQ to get done talking. She has the lamp in her hand while she's chatting away, and nobody is moving because of course she has to finish her speech. Emma has magic, take the stupid lamp away from her, free Jasmine. I know she's dim, but she's the closest to EQ, maybe she could tackle her to the ground where she would fall and lose the lamp. But nope, let the EQ talk and talk and talk.

I always wonder why no one points out to the villain, after they kill off their hostage, they are the next to go?

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Sheesh, the "script teases" are pretty much giving it all away... might as well jump right in to the Spoiler thread.  Why am I not surprised The Evil Queen immediately gets a hold of the lamp.  Aladdin and Friends didn't think of that one, eh?  Two psychos around town with quadrillion the power that we have... let's put a Genie into the Lamp!

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So, last week, we also learned that the Black Fairy is Rumplestiltskin’s mother. Are we going to see her again?
Horowitz: It’s just the beginning of seeing the Black Fairy and learning about her past and Rumple’s past.

Yes, give us more of the Black Fairy please. (But you can keep Rumple's past.)

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This season has brought back the Evil Queen, and she and Regina have had this truce since killing one will kill the other. But the truce can’t last for long, right?
Horowitz: That’s exactly right. It can’t last forever so that means a showdown is a-coming in the second half of the season and it’s going to happen sooner than people think.

So the Evil Queen is still alive and kicking in 6B, but perhaps not long.

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What about Aladdin? He’s put himself in the lamp now. What’s next for him and Jasmine?
Horowitz: We will definitely be seeing the other side of that when we return and we’ll be going to Agrabah and finding out the mysteries of what’s going on.

Blargh. We're really getting more of them in the second half? I guess it's to be expected, but I'm not thrilled at all.

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We always like to see old friends on the show. It’s part of the fun of the world.

Unless it's the countless citizens living in Offscreenville.

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How much do you monitor fan feedback to decide which characters to bring back?
Hororwitz and Kitsis: Zero!

Haha. Yeah, totally. Robin coming back will make total sense and will have nothing to do with damage control.

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Eddy: The trouble with the Internet is that everyone has a different opinion. The truth of the matter is, Adam and I worked 12 really harsh years and a lot of passes to get this show on air. So at the end of the day, we’re just going to go with what we think is best. We can’t listen to every voice on the Internet. Obviously, we love our fans and we’re inspired by our fanbase, but the truth is, this week’s episode was filmed months ago. It really doesn’t work real-time.

Adam: What we like to say is, we hear our fans but we can’t listen to them. We’re very sensitive to our fans and we’re very sensitive that we’re making the show for the fans and we want them to love and enjoy it as much as we love and enjoy making it. But we can’t be taking requests.

I just can't with the overwhelming BS levels here. "Real-time" has nothing to do with it. They had that whole break between seasons to hear fans' opinions and make changes accordingly. This show is not purely their artistic vision. There's just no way in hell that they haven't bent the show based on what fans have demanded.

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Television is a unique form, because while Eddy and I created the show, it belongs to the fans. Our responsibility is to make the show to the best of our ability and hope the fans enjoy it.

So, it belongs to the fans, and they're "sensitive" to the fans, but they don't listen to the fans. I don't get it.

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Another script tease.

I kind of love the use of "vaders" as a verb in the script tease.

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KAOS Agent

KAOS Agent

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The script teases are all direct from the sneak peeks. Except for the latest one from Queen Snow, which could come from pretty much any episode featuring Snowing v the Evil Queen.  I love how the way to defeat the Evil Queen is a random magical object that appeared in the last minute of the previous episode. Shelf Falling Gauntlet meet Sword of Contrivance.  

And we have some pretty definitive information from the showrunners. I appreciate the lack of "I'd be disappointed" in the interview. I wonder if this is a bit of damage control for the fan reaction they claim they pay no attention to. If you're not happy with S6 and worried about is dragging out forever, the Evil Queen will be dealt with soon, the hooded figure thing is completely revealed in the finale, Captain Swan are totally going to Agrabah and the awesomely psychotic Black Fairy will be returning.

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Curio

Curio

Either "traveling to Agrabah" is A&E code for featuring more Agrabah flashbacks, or the main cast will all travel to Agrabah like they did with the Underworld or Camelot. It doesn't mean that CS will get their own adventure alone in Agrabah. But if they do all go to Agrabah, they better get on that soon, otherwise, it'll only take up four or five episodes of 6B at this point. That's certainly not enough to wash the taste of this Evil Queen/Regina plot out of my mouth.

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PixiePaws1

PixiePaws1

Some random musings..

Does anyone think Emma and Killian's True Love sapling back in the EF will play any future part?  I think it would be quite cool if it grew up to be the magic tree that Gepetto crafted into the wardrobe or found its way into the AU and used to create the intricately carved bed that Jen posted a pic of her sleeping in ...which gives Princess Emma odd dreams of another life.

Even given the astonishing number of abandoned plot devices, it seems to me the whole point for the seemingly pointless tracking down and, immediate destruction of Snowing's sapling, was really to signpost that back in the EF Emma's and Killian's first meeting created one, too, and that it is still alive. 

If they take the UnSavioring of Emma to the opposite..sweet seeming Princess Emma could be like those cute fluffies you see in some horror movie that look all cute and cuddly but turn out to be vicious killers with sharp teeth and claws...she could have gone all evil but pretending to be all sweet...and she'll be dead set on keeping her nice comfortable life and more than happy to kill off 'our' Emma if that's what it takes to make the AU the only reality. 

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Hookian

Hookian

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I would imagine the CS Agrabah adventure is probably starting in 15, after the Robin arc is done with.

5 hours ago, Curio said:

Either "traveling to Agrabah" is A&E code for featuring more Agrabah flashbacks, or the main cast will all travel to Agrabah like they did with the Underworld or Camelot. It doesn't mean that CS will get their own adventure alone in Agrabah. But if they do all go to Agrabah, they better get on that soon, otherwise, it'll only take up four or five episodes of 6B at this point. That's certainly not enough to wash the taste of this Evil Queen/Regina plot out of my mouth.

I don't think it'll be everyone. I think it'll be just Jaladdin and CS and I welcome that, a breather from all things Regina. Putting focus back on the main character/couple of the show finally.

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RulerofallIsurvey

RulerofallIsurvey

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Do you think Belle and Gold’s relationship has deteriorated to the point where they can’t get back together?
Horowitz: I think in last week’s episode, we saw Gold walk right up to the line of the most reprehensible thing you can do to someone, and he didn’t do it. Even though Belle, at the end of that episode, thinks he did, but ultimately she’s going to have to learn the truth. But what’s more important is that we saw that when really faced with it, Gold couldn’t do this terrible thing to her, and despite all of his addiction to magic and power, his love of Belle is huge and strong and overpowering within him.

I just...I'm not sure I can deal with this any longer.  I'm not a Rumbelle fan, but...it boggles my mind how Horowitz can think that the most reprehensible thing Gold could do to Belle was speed up her pregnancy, and not imprison her via magic hand cuffs or on the Jolly Roger.  Sure, accelerating a woman's pregnancy though magical means is probably not the nicest thing a person could do.  I guess.  Although, I'm sure there's at least one or two women who didn't have lovely pregnancies who would disagree.  But to make a literal prisoner of someone for whom your love is "huge and strong and overpowering"?  Nah, that's not reprehensible at all!

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RadioGirl27

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Some random musings..

Does anyone think Emma and Killian's True Love sapling back in the EF will play any future part? 

This is an easy one: no. The sapling was a random magical macguffin to justify another pointless Snowing flashback. 

And if CS are the ones going to Agrabah, no way Regina is not going with them. 

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maryle

maryle

The best news. Is the fact they will focus on the Savior storyline and Emma. Now, with more her story comes more CS.  But, I guess her relationship with her parents will still be a afterthought.

Maybe, A. and E. wanted Regina arc to be in autumn instead than springs for give her the best spot. Now, Emma turn will be spring. 

Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

1 minute ago, KingOfHearts said:

So, where's that "dwarves story" A&E said we would be getting?

Didn't you notice the scene in which Emma barged into Grumpy's therapy session and Grumpy told us about how the dwarfs managed to save Dopey from being a tree, and then he went off and got his master's degree? That's a big story about the dwarfs! Okay, so it all happened offscreen, but it's probably more interesting than most of this season.

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KingOfHearts

KingOfHearts

3 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Thinking about the AU bugs the hell out of me, but what bugs me even more is that there's a however long break between 610 and 611. 

I don't see how the break is going to work. From the looks of things, there's not going to be any satisfying conclusion for the current plot threads, and 6x11 will simply be a business-as-usual continuation. We're not going to be waiting two months for the next arc, but just the next episode. That really bites.

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GreyBunny

GreyBunny

7 hours ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

Horowitz can think that the most reprehensible thing Gold could do to Belle was speed up her pregnancy, and not imprison her via magic hand cuffs or on the Jolly Roger. 

No kidding.  A speedy pregnancy sounds awesome.  Being held prisoner with an obnoxiously huge and ugly bracelet by an abusive husband, not so much.  Horowitz has a warped sense of "worst."

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KingOfHearts

KingOfHearts

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I'm not a Rumbelle fan, but...it boggles my mind how Horowitz can think that the most reprehensible thing Gold could do to Belle was speed up her pregnancy, and not imprison her via magic hand cuffs or on the Jolly Roger.  Sure, accelerating a woman's pregnancy though magical means is probably not the nicest thing a person could do. 

Replying in Relationships.

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

2 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

I don't see how the break is going to work. From the looks of things, there's not going to be any satisfying conclusion for the current plot threads, and 6x11 will simply be a business-as-usual continuation. We're not going to be waiting two months for the next arc, but just the next episode. That really bites.

I know. I mean that I have to wait for the AU to resume after the hiatus and that's what bothers me. They'll probably give the cliffhanger to Regina seeing Robin which I give no rat's ass about.

The writers have done nothing to make wanna come back after 6x10. That episode better be mind blowing, but it won't be.

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Souris

Souris

10 hours ago, Rumsy4 said:

Agree. It's more likely that all the Nevengers will go. 

Probably. There will be more regulars going than just Emma and Hook. There is no way they'd give CS a solo adventure that lasted more than one ep. Adam just made it sound that way to troll and mislead CS fans. It's not going to be what CS fans hope it to be.

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KAOS Agent

KAOS Agent

Honestly though, Snow & David need to stay home and raise their baby. Belle & Rumpel have a baby/man-child and Zelena has a baby too. It makes no sense for all of them to run off to Agrabah. Who is going to take care of all those babies? I wouldn't leave my child with Blue after what seems to happen to Gideon. Ditch the flashbacks, create a Storybrooke plot for Snowing/Zelena/Regina to deal with (maybe it connects with the Black Fairy trying to steal said babies) and bring in Rumbelle. Then in the other storyline have Emma, Hook, Jasmine and Aladdin battling Jafar in Agrabah. I know, I know, that's too logical, but since they gave all these people babies, I judge them a lot for leaving them behind - doubly so when they blame Emma for their poor decision in doing so.

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Hookian

Hookian

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9 hours ago, KAOS Agent said:

Honestly though, Snow & David need to stay home and raise their baby. Belle & Rumpel have a baby/man-child and Zelena has a baby too. It makes no sense for all of them to run off to Agrabah. Who is going to take care of all those babies? I wouldn't leave my child with Blue after what seems to happen to Gideon. Ditch the flashbacks, create a Storybrooke plot for Snowing/Zelena/Regina to deal with (maybe it connects with the Black Fairy trying to steal said babies) and bring in Rumbelle. Then in the other storyline have Emma, Hook, Jasmine and Aladdin battling Jafar in Agrabah. I know, I know, that's too logical, but since they gave all these people babies, I judge them a lot for leaving them behind - doubly so when they blame Emma for their poor decision in doing so.

This is exactly what I see. There's no sense in all of them going. Emma and Hook along with Jasmine and Aladdin would be just fine. 

For now at least they're the only ones connected to an epic adventure in 5B. So they're definitely going. We jsut have to see if by episode 15 filming and beyond that the only ones missing from SB filming are Colin, Jennifer, Deniz, and Karen.

Don't forget Snowing still has the curse so I honestly doubt they'll leave one of them sleeping so the other can go to Agrabah. Rumbelle have their own issues with Gideon and Zelena and Regina can have a plot that somehow makes Zelena relevant again.

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CCTC

CCTC

I don't have a problem with Snow and David having adventures while the baby seems to magically disappear.  That is pretty standard for a baby or young child to conveniently disappear unless needed for plot or a random scene whether it is a drama, sitcom, soap etc.  I can look over that it is not the most realistic parenting, although I remember Josh Dallas joking about it in an interview when asking where was the baby.   I do have a bigger issue if Belle goes off on an adventure with Gold that leads to their reconciliation.  I guess I feel better about infant endangerment than domestic abuse (esp. if the latter is romanticized).  

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maryle

maryle

Anyway, episode 14 Is about OQ so by 15. 

They as usual should be Emma and Hook centric so I don't get the big deal if their centric is a travel to Agrabah for helping Aladdin and Jasmine. 

Two or three episode maximum. Nothing different at the last season final or today episode. 

I wish I was more exciting for the black faery but I am afraid she will mostly be there for Rumple family drama. Hoping to be wrong.

Hookian

Hookian

40 minutes ago, maryle said:

Anyway, episode 14 Is about OQ so by 15. 

They as usual should be Emma and Hook centric so I don't get the big deal if their centric is a travel to Agrabah for helping Aladdin and Jasmine. 

Two or three episode maximum. Nothing different at the last season final or today episode. 

I wish I was more exciting for the black faery but I am afraid she will mostly be there for Rumple family drama. Hoping to be wrong.

The Black Fairy is probably gonna be used as some big villain for Rumple so Belle can understand him better and then go back to him. Vomit inducing.

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