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When everyone realized Rumple and Regina weren't coming back, they had a big celebration and put on a cloaking spell so they can never be found or contacted ever again.

Curio
Curio

At least someone is freaking out over Emma's darkness. Keep giving a shit, Hook! You're pretty much the only one who does...

Serena
Serena

HER GRANDMA IS EMMA! Are they being serious with this?

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My crack theory is the TEQ will be the one who kills David's father and then we will get a scene where Snow will actually say to David "I have to go check on Regina, she is really upset about YOUR father's death".  And then when Snow is comforting her, she will add insult to injury by absolving Regina of her own father's death. Because as we know Regina has the most pain.

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PixiePaws1

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Maybe if we get the Regina AU where she didn't cast the 1st dark curse....Zelena casts it and..not sure whose heart she'd use...

But it feels like there are going to be different paths explored around the 1st curse and leading to the unavoidable sword fight between Emma and The Hood (with whomever is under the hood differing in each version)

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10 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

There will be no consequences and it'll only last a few episodes. It's not worth it. No consequences = I don't give a flip.

It's why this show is painfully repetitive and why it's so hard to care about anything.

5 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

It seems like we're missing big chunks of the story, what with Robin, Morpheus, August and Stealthy all coming back. We thought the same with the S5 finale, and just assumed the puzzle pieces would come together. But they didn't. It never made more sense after airing and seeing everything. I believe the same thing will be happening in the next couple of episodes. It's going to be very contrived.

It smacked of rewrites and it looks like they still won't learn from their mess, just another season that's a choppy mess.

Anakerie

Anakerie

On 11/17/2016 at 5:34 PM, KAOS Agent said:

Doesn't there have to be something to the title of "Changelings"? Isn't it possible that Belle swaps out her baby with a fairy baby to protect him from Rumpel? It seems like that's the thing Rumpel does in the flashback - offers a baby to lure the Black Fairy - so maybe she comes back and offers Belle a deal. Then something the Black Fairy does causes the baby to age rapidly and return to fight Emma. Maybe he's taken to a world where time moves faster or something and the Black Fairy raises him to be evil. There's been a lot of talk about raising children to be evil this season. Maybe this actually comes to fruition with the Rumbelle baby.

OH God, not Connor.  Please not Connor.  Never, ever again. *rocks self and sobs*  

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KingOfHearts

KingOfHearts

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Sounds like Jasmine is sad about her kingdom again.  She's trying to get people (Aladdin, Emma, etc.) to think her stuff is important, but we've seen so little of anything likeable concerning Agrabah that it's hard to care. I don't give a crap about her disappearing subjects when I feel like I should. Jasmine just comes off as selfish and pushy. No matter what anyone else is going through, her problems are more important.

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Free

9 hours ago, Anakerie said:

OH God, not Connor.  Please not Connor.  Never, ever again. *rocks self and sobs*  

Of all the storylines to copy and they chose that.

1 hour ago, Rumsy4 said:

The currently two most boring charatcers on OUAT sharing a hope speech. Wonderful. :-p

And to think they were going to be 1 of the selling points of this arc along with split Reginas.

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mjgchick

mjgchick

I wish I could be excited but like others I've had that "Regina did them a favor by cursing them." W'll probably get a spoiled Emma who ends up being a terrible Princess Queen to be. She and Hook wouldn't have met. She's never have Henry (which is a blessing tbh.) and maybe Snow or David is cheating on the other or some nonsense.

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Souris

Souris

Just now, mjgchick said:

I wish I could be excited but like others I've had that "Regina did them a favor by cursing them." W'll probably get a spoiled Emma who ends up being a terrible Princess Queen to be. She and Hook wouldn't have met. She's never have Henry (which is a blessing tbh.) and maybe Snow or David is cheating on the other or some nonsense.

Exactly. I know hope springs eternal, but when was the last time this show actually delivered something satisfying, especially if it was something people were wanting to see? I think people were still writing on papyrus the last time that happened.

Given that it's TS;TW, I can conceive of nothing but disappointment and anger at whatever they come up with. It's NOT going to be happy satisfying fun times AU. Like is widely feared, there's no way I can see these writers going in any direction except that Regina casting the Dark Curse was much better for everybody than if she hadn't. Why, she was a true HERO for casting it and making their lives better! So poor heroic Regina will give up her happiness in the AU to reset the timeline and save everybody else's happy ending, thereby proving that she is the real and rightful Savior of everything. Bow down before her greatness and glory!

I also think Emma will be marrying August in the AU, or at the very least will be engaged to him.

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Kktjones

Kktjones

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I wish I could get excited - I would love to see Emma raised in a loving, happy home. But this will be the ultimate Regina whitewash b/c Henry won't exist & everyone will be miserable. I saw somewhere that on-set people were told the AU was "twisted". I don't think people are going to be happy. My guess is Emma is with August & afraid of Hook or something. I REALLY hope I'm wrong, but this season has sucked so I'm expecting the worst.

ETA: Jinx Souris :)

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mjgchick

mjgchick

I bet Emma is to be marrying August and maybe Hook works in the castle and Emma and him are having an affair because I think Adam will likely give CSers a bone still even if it's half assed like the rest of their stories. They love those "How many times can we get Hook and Emma to meet for the first time and fall in love." They've pretty much do that every season except for S5 I guess.

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Rumsy4

Rumsy4

There's a 99% chance that everyone will be thanking Regina for casting the Dark Curse. And Henry's existence is going to be held more important that the hundreds/thousands of people who died at Regina's hand and/or were Cursed.

However, I am still excited to see Princess Emma, and yet another CS meet cute. My expectations are soooooo low that even one little crumb will be satisfying to me. 

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KingOfHearts

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If Snow and Charming are 50-60, Regina should be 70-80. But I'm sure the writers would find a way to keep her young and glamorous.

I would think with glamour spells and whatnot, it would be easy to look young with magic. Of course, the only youth-beyond-their-years magic users we've seen have been either immortal or preserved through the curse. I don't think introducing some de-aging magic would be that radical, though. Grandma!Regina does sound terrifying.

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However, I am still excited to see Princess Emma, and yet another CS meet cute. My expectations are soooooo low that even one little crumb will be satisfying to me. 

Yeah, my expectations for the AU are still ridiculously low. There will be no consequences, so I couldn't care less. It's a Wonderful Regina seems like a last resort to do something "shocking" and "unexpected". But, again, we all saw it coming from miles away. It's been speculated for a really long time. From what I've learned, if we think it's going to happen, it's going to happen. (Especially when it comes to the pregnancies...)

Rumsy4

Rumsy4

15 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Of course, the only youth-beyond-their-years magic users we've seen have been either immortal or preserved through the curse.

Cruella and Ursula apparently kept themselves young in the Land Without Magic using Lily's baby eggshell or some nonsense. Killian and Baelfire are other exceptions as well. 

Yeah--no way is Regina going to be 70. 

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KAOS Agent

KAOS Agent

I'm not sure how uncursed Princess!Emma is going to be juxtaposed with a young Orphan!Emma and somehow the princess is going to be worse off. I guess she could turn out to be a horrible person or something, but is that worse than a loveless childhood that includes starvation, living on the streets and teen pregnancy in jail? We know Young!Emma filmed in real world clothes. I wouldn't put it past these writers to actually pretend that Emma is somehow better off abandoned as a child in this world, but I don't see them trying to do that if they are also showing some more of Emma's miserable childhood at the same time. In my mind, a Henry-less world is automatically better, so there's no way they'd ever win that argument anyway. I think given the way the Charmings like to sacrifice,  the heroes will decide to give up this new version of their lives because of Henry and Regina and possibly Captain Swan.

I wonder if Wooden Swan fans will finally get their wish and we'll get some Emma/Pinocchio action. The writers could really troll the Captain Swan fans and give us a Wooden Swan bed scene.

Hookian

Hookian

I think that August is probably Emma's fiance/or betrothed in the AU. Probably Henry's father as well. However that won't stop Emma from falling in love with her true love when he appears.

We're getting Princess Emma/Pirate Killian, Captain Ducking. Can't wait.

They definitely are not gonna age Killian though. He was in Neverland after all, all the things with Milah still happened. So if anything he was probably just in Neverland all this time wandering out to do Pan's dirty work like was stated in S3.

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1 hour ago, mjgchick said:

I bet Emma is to be marrying August and maybe Hook works in the castle and Emma and him are having an affair because I think Adam will likely give CSers a bone still even if it's half assed like the rest of their stories. They love those "How many times can we get Hook and Emma to meet for the first time and fall in love." They've pretty much do that every season except for S5 I guess.

I think the assumption needs to be that the characters progress somewhat along fairy tale lines.  I doubt that Emma and August would be marrying.  Emma would be reviewing (and probably rejecting) princes while yearning for the adventures that Snow has reminisced about.  August is probably a friend of Emma's reluctantly dragged into an opportunity to go on an adventure.  This is the classic Disney reinvention of almost every recent fairy tale (with August being the side-kick).

I expect that Pinocchio has a past history with Hook stemming from his time on Pleasure Island before becoming a real boy (and I recognize the eight kinds of wrong with that sentence but its not my fault) and that is how Emma meets Hook.

I do expect that the one thing with the AU is that Emma is going to meet the Hook that Hook was worried about her meeting in the time travel episode.  Hook will have not done the work to change his path.  So in that way they will try to spin that the cursed version is "better".  But arguably, only because there wasn't time elapsed in Emma's presence for him to decide to change.

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Kktjones

Kktjones

I'm also seeing spoilers in a few different places that Hook was "old" when he filmed with Emma & August in the park. So I'm thinking this is definitely not a story of CS meeting & falling in love again. Not that they couldn't do the May/December thing, but I really think they are going the way of showing how miserable everyone would be without the dark curse.

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KingOfHearts

KingOfHearts

Just now, Kktjones said:

I'm also seeing spoilers in a few different places that Hook was "old" when he filmed with Emma & August in the park. So I'm thinking this is definitely not a story of CS meeting & falling in love again. Not that they couldn't do the May/December thing, but I really think they are going the way of showing how miserable everyone would be without the dark curse.

Hook being old makes this sound even more temporary. There's no way they're going to put Captain Swan on ice for very long.

YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

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This thing looks like it happens from the end of episode 6x10 to before the end of 6x11. 

I'm not sure about this whole thing. I don't really understand how the Storybrooke spoilers fit into this and I doubt Hook is an old man. I'm dreading this AU because the Regina whitewashing will continue.

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Rumsy4

Rumsy4

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Those spoilers of Hook being old don't seem very trustworthy. So, I would take it with a grain of salt. 

I wouldn't mind a Silver Fox Killian/Princess Emma romance after reading a fic based on that idea. Hook would have had plenty of time to get over his lust for vengeance before meeting Emma. However, it is extremely unlikely that the writers will age-up either Regina or Hook. 

The main characters will somehow get their memories back in the AU and want to reset it solely to ensure Henry's existence. Which is really getting old as a reason, tbh. It will be even more heartbreaking to juxtapose wee!Emma as an orphan with Emma growing up in the EF with her parents. 

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10 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

This thing looks like it happens from the end of episode 6x10 to before the end of 6x11. 

I'm not sure about this whole thing. I don't really understand how the Storybrooke spoilers fit into this and I doubt Hook is an old man. 

Question in my mind is how the curse doesn't get cast.  Is it simply that there is a wish and Regina decides to go meet Robin that fateful night?  Does the wish get twisted into someone making a 'firstborn' (Emma?) deal with Rumple to stop the curse?

Almost any scenario leaves Rumple as a spoiler.  Rumple was behind the curse because he wanted to take his magic to the Land without Magic to find Bae.  So its possible that Storybrooke gets created at some point in the AU.  It just didn't have the vengeance on Snowing portion of the curse that led to familial separation and stopping time and memory wipes that was Regina's brand of punishment.

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

20 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

The main characters will somehow get their memories back in the AU and want to reset it solely to ensure Henry's existence. Which is really getting old as a reason, tbh. It will be even more heartbreaking to juxtapose wee!Emma as an orphan with Emma growing up in the EF with her parents. 

And that's the thing, right? I mean we're getting flashbacks of Emma growing up an orphan and in the present, it's the things she could never have because of the curse. If the writers decide to be idiots and have everyone be grateful to Regina, then I don't even know what to think. It's like self-sabotage. 

 

15 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

Question in my mind is how the curse doesn't get cast.  Is it simply that there is a wish and Regina decides to go meet Robin that fateful night?  Does the wish get twisted into someone making a 'firstborn' (Emma?) deal with Rumple to stop the curse?

How are we so sure that Regina is the one who makes the wish? I thought they set up Snow for it in 6x08 at the end of the episode when she told cursed David that she couldn't do it anymore, and they have her interacting with Jasmine who is now in possession of a lamp. It seems like there are 2 magic lamps in play as of 6x09.

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Souris

Souris

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1 hour ago, KAOS Agent said:

I wonder if Wooden Swan fans will finally get their wish and we'll get some Emma/Pinocchio action. The writers could really troll the Captain Swan fans and give us a Wooden Swan bed scene.

I wouldn't be at all surprised. I think A&E would get a giant kick out of that. This whole season has been a trolling of CS fans.

But, yes, still go stand in the corner! ;-)

42 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Those spoilers of Hook being old don't seem very trustworthy. So, I would take it with a grain of salt. 

I believe that "spoiler" sprang entirely from an Anonymous ask to somebody's Tumblr. Which doesn't mean it couldn't be true, but it certainly makes it less than trustworthy.

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Souris

Souris

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17 minutes ago, Souris said:

I believe that "spoiler" sprang entirely from an Anonymous ask to somebody's Tumblr. Which doesn't mean it couldn't be true, but it certainly makes it less than trustworthy.

Apparently there are some "on the record" Tumblrs saying it. Others say it's BS. Who knows.

Whatever it is, whether Hook is aged up or not, we know it's "twisted." So it's not going to be some cute, fun, romantic CaptainDuckling AU like waaaay too many are assuming. That is NOT how "twisted" works. Or this show, for that matter. The AU has to be a bad thing to make Regina's curse preferable.

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7 minutes ago, Souris said:

Apparently there are some "on the record" Tumblrs saying it. Others say it's BS. 

Whatever it is, we know it's "twisted." So it's not going to be some happy, fun, romantic CaptainDuckling AU like too many are assuming. That is NOT how "twisted" works. Or that show, for this matter. The AU has to be a bad thing to make Regina's curse preferable.

I think its almost a given that this AU Hook will have no redeeming qualities, despite pre-curse flashbacks that showed signs of a conscience and a history of ignoring his better angels, because he never met Emma and never had a reason to let go of his revenge plans.  I think A&E would find it easier to get that across with a Hook more similar to the popular movie versions that are significantly older.

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PixiePaws1

PixiePaws1

Henry might still have existed in the AU if Emma had a relationship with FuckWitFire. If Henry and the arsehole both died in the AU and Emma knows he lives in the other version with the curse cast...then who knows...

Whoever made the wish may be the only one that csn undo it unless there is a time limit on tbe wish sort of a peek at what could have been rather than an actusl rewind.

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8 minutes ago, PixiePaws1 said:

Henry might still have existed in the AU if Emma had a relationship with FuckWitFire. If Henry and the arsehole both died in the AU and Emma knows he lives in the other version with the curse cast...then who knows...

Whoever made the wish may be the only one that csn undo it unless there is a time limit on tbe wish sort of a peek at what could have been rather than an actusl rewind.

I think to restore the universe that they have to go the typical route where their is a vengeful genie teaching a 'be careful what you wish for' lesson.  In that scenario the wisher is usually aware of both versions and sees the trouble their wish has caused.

I don't think this has to mean that the curse was the best gift ever.  Its kind of like time travel shows.  Familiarity is always the desired state to restore even if you end up with utopia.  There are going to be pros and cons of both.  The person who remembers the curse version is going to get it restored.  There will likely be Evil Hook, no Henry, Rumple run amok, and maybe a few deaths in the AU to drive an abort to the wish.

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Rumsy4

Rumsy4

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1 hour ago, ParadoxLost said:

So its possible that Storybrooke gets created at some point in the AU.  It just didn't have the vengeance on Snowing portion of the curse that led to familial separation and stopping time and memory wipes that was Regina's brand of punishment.

It's possible that Rumple gets Zelena to cast the Dark Curse eventually (when Emma is older). I know Zelena "loved" Rumple the most or whatever, but in this scenario, it could be Hades. heh Then, the choice would be between Regina's Dark Curse or Zelena's Dark Curse. That would be a little more palatable than choosing between Curse/no Curse.

24 minutes ago, PixiePaws1 said:

Henry might still have existed in the AU if Emma had a relationship with FuckWitFire. If Henry and the arsehole both died in the AU and Emma knows he lives in the other version with the curse cast...then who knows...

Ugh... that is another possibility. We haven't had the obligatory Bagel mention this season yet, have we?

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KingOfHearts

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It's possible that Rumple gets Zelena to cast the Dark Curse eventually (when Emma is older). I know Zelena "loved" Rumple the most or whatever, but in this scenario, it could be Hades. heh Then, the choice would be between Regina's Dark Curse or Zelena's Dark Curse. That would be a little more palatable than choosing between Curse/no Curse.

Could we get a Storybrooke with cursed personalities and Mayor Zelena? Please?

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maryle

maryle

I will be honest and I am not exciting .

It sound more a gimmick because they don't have a real Storyline that goes forward so they always replay different version of the same play.

And, that the reason for the decline in the rating.  I mean a au for two episode which consequences will be to undo the only consequences from last year (Robin dead) and make all this splitting thing more absurd.

I will enjoy seeing princess Emma and hope for something cute with CS. But, it won't last and won't change anything. 

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Free

Free

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13 minutes ago, retrograde said:

A&E sure got sick of "it's just like season 1! New characters and fairytales every week! Day to day lives!" very quickly. The Land of Untold Stories stuff seems dunzo, too. 

They weren't fooling anyone with that nonsense tbh.

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I will be honest and I am not exciting .

It sound more a gimmick because they don't have a real Storyline that goes forward so they always replay different version of the same play.

And, that the reason for the decline in the rating.  I mean a au for two episode which consequences will be to undo the only consequences from last year (Robin dead) and make all this splitting thing more absurd.

It is another gimmick and it is absurd but that's what happens when you run on empty for seasons like the writers.

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Hookian

Hookian

Even if the AU is what many think it is, with an old Killian at least it's only gonna be an episode.

I wonder if they're gonna show that for Emma, even if she grew up with her family the child of true love never gets to experience true love herself. Because Killian is her true love and she's with August whom is the person she sees as her brother. Tragicness. Not to mention, Henry may not exist.

So in the AU Emma has neither Hook nor Henry. You may as well just kill Emma, from how miserable she would be without her two true loves.

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