Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[myril]

Reading the spoilers from the prem party guess it's a good thing that I have no positive expectations left at all, it's more a question if they can get even worse than I expect. I am only curious how Elizabeth Lail and Georgina Haig will be doing in their roles. 

[dassala]

The bit about "Do you remember killing her?" is definitely going to come back. I'm now on the Marian-is-fishy train. That just seems like too much of a planted line to ignore. I've read some things about Marian being Maleficent...maybe they're right?

[kili]

I've read some things about Marian being Maleficent...maybe they're right?

 

That would be a major change to the timeline. If Maleficient decided to play Marian for contrived reasons back in the EF, then she's taken out of that timeline. Regina doesn't get the apple poison recipe, so not only do we lose that canonical Snow scene, but there is no apple to try to poison Emma which does poison Henry leading to the curse being broken. Malificient is also whom Rumple uses to bring magic to Storybrooke. So you end up without a broken curse and no magic. Malificient needs to stay in the timeline.

 

I would really, really like Marian to be Marian. It's Bobby-Ewing-in-The-Shower time when you bring back a dead wife only to have her turn out to be some other evil entity (i.e. major ret-conning of the situation they set up). The writers dealt the cards, now they have to play them.  If Marian had just popped up in Storybrooke on her own, I could see her being somebody evil. But it beggars belief that somebody would kick up some Rube Goldberg plan where you get yourself arrested and paraded around town hoping that somebody else will end up in the prison next to you, rescue you from prison and decide to kidnap you to the future.

[sharky]

Yea, Marian is sounding a bit fishy indeed! And based on the spoilers, it sounds like the Snow Monster attacks all of them but somehow Marian is the only one to still be awake? Suuuuure. I never liked this idea of a triangle in the first place based on the fact that it was too fast and there is a kid involved, but if Marian turns out to be Maleficent in disguise, I could actually be down with that.

 

That would be a major change to the timeline. If Maleficient decided to play Marian for contrived reasons back in the EF, then she's taken out of that timeline. Regina doesn't get the apple poison recipe, so not only do we lose that canonical Snow scene, but there is no apple to try to poison Emma which does poison Henry leading to the curse being broken. Malificient is also whom Rumple uses to bring magic to Storybrooke. So you end up without a broken curse and no magic. Malificient needs to stay in the timeline.

Not necessarily. Perhaps she has been biding her time in Storybrooke and took advantage of the open portal before Emma and Hook got there. She knew the past, perhaps knew what was going on in Storybrooke via Sidney -- I think there is more to him than just this one appearance -- and she found another way to sneak up on Regina.

Edited September 22, 2014 by sharky

[Amerilla]

Regina and Henry's quest is dumb and makes no sense. So now Regina thinks the author of the book decides who gets happy endings? How about you make your own destiny, moron? Ugh.

 

My feeling is more like: finally. This is a show about storybook characters come to life - of couse there's a Master Storyteller writing their narrative.  They've been hinting that since S1, with August's never-explained connection to the book. It came up again in S2, with August knowing Neal was Bae and his convincing him to leave Emma. Henry's birth to Emma and Neal wasn't a matter of random chance. Looking back, you can see foreshadowing in S3 with Snow telling Emma that out happy endings aren't always what we expect them to be and with the bit about the book just appearing in Snow's closet.

 

Looking at S3 from the broadest perspective, Pan and Zelena were both trying to change destiny. Pan wanted to continue to live as a adolescent and rule Neverland forever; Zelena wanted to re-write her past. The fact that both met their ends through the Dark One's dagger has to mean something (other than "don't f**k around with Rumple"). It will be interesting if they connect some dots between the Dark One and the potential master storyteller.  

 

Since A&E are so obviously influenced by Lost, it makes sense they'd have a "god" or "protector" figure like Jacob. They're at the point in the series where they need to begin the long descent to the finale, and certainly trying to guess the identity and purpose of that figure could fill a couple of seasons. And just as a practical matter, having a omnipotent figure setting characters on their paths helps put a bandaid on some of the pussing, oozing plotholes over the years.

Edited September 22, 2014 by Amerilla

[Serena]

The bit about "Do you remember killing her?" is definitely going to come back. I'm now on the Marian-is-fishy train. That just seems like too much of a planted line to ignore. I've read some things about Marian being Maleficent...maybe they're right?

If she were Maleficient come back to cause trouble for Regina, why would he jump on the "Regina is an angel" train so soon? 

However, since they've condensed an half season's worth of triangle storyline in 40 minutes (and we basically called all of it), I think the only thing that remains for them to do is one of the following shocking twists: Marian is evil or Marian dies.

[Hookian]

Well hopefully one of my predictions comes true, since apparently in the premiere it's hinted that Regina did not really execute Marian. So I go back to my theory it was The Snow Queen. 

[Crimson Belle]

Isn't it more hinted that Regina killed so many hundreds or thousands of people that she wouldn't remember killing one?  Thus, it really doesn't matter whether she specifically killed Marian.  She killed thousands just like her.  She is still a genocidal, rapist maniac. 

[Serena]

Well hopefully one of my predictions comes true, since apparently in the premiere it's hinted that Regina did not really execute Marian. So I go back to my theory it was The Snow Queen. 

It's a moot point anyway. Robin apparently dos not care (he is not angry at all that she's the one who killed Marian, and he tells Regina he loves her anyway), and the reason he stays with Marian is because of his vows, not because he's realized Regina is a psycho, so it would make no difference. 

[kili]

Not necessarily. Perhaps she has been biding her time in Storybrooke and took advantage of the open portal before Emma and Hook got there.

 

That's an even crazier plan to get back at Regina. That's something a Scooby Doo villain would think up. Why not just shape-shift into a random server at Grannie's and put poison in her tea? Or go into the woods and turn Robin into a toad and run over him with your car? Or a bazillion other things that don't require two characters to follow you into the past, happen to get arrested, happen to save you and happen to kidnap you into the future. Who knows if they could even figure out how to get back? There are so many points of failure in that plan that the chance of success are slim to none.

 

Maybe if time travel was easy to do, I could see Malificient taking a flyer on some half-baked, likely to fail plan because she could just return to the current time and try again. But with it being considered by magical beings as being so impossible (despite how easy it turned out to be), why would Malificient risk it? She could have gotten stuck in the past and risked creating an unstable time loop. And if she was going to the past, instead of messing with Regina's love life, there are more powerful things Malificient could have done.

 

Super powerful Malificient decides to get back at Regina for imprisoning her as a dragon in a library by toying with her love life? Seems Malificient would be a little bit less junior high schoolish than that. What next, she sends messages from a "secret admirer" and puts whipped cream in her locker?

 

She killed thousands just like her.  She is still a genocidal, rapist maniac.

 

No. no. That's just being bold and audacious. Robin now knows for sure that his lady love killed so many people, she can't even remember any specific ones, but he's still super okay with that. It doesn't give him any pause at all. I'm beginning to think Robin is the one who is the evil one in disguise. The Disney version of Robin Hood wouldn't have been up for that.

Edited September 22, 2014 by kili

[Hookian]

It's a moot point anyway. Robin apparently dos not care (he is not angry at all that she's the one who killed Marian, and he tells Regina he loves her anyway), and the reason he stays with Marian is because of his vows, not because he's realized Regina is a psycho, so it would make no difference. 

 

Yeah I expected as much. Robin isn't the same person either and I'm glad he brought that up. Now it's only gonna be a matter of time before Marian realizes that Robin has changed and he's not the same person she fell in love with anymore. Ditto Robin to Marian but in the episode not even during the scene with Regina does Robin say he loves Marian. It's simply because he's a man of honor.

[ShadowFacts]

 

Since A&E are so obviously influenced by Lost, it makes sense they'd have a "god" or "protector" figure like Jacob. They're at the point in the series where they need to begin the long descent to the finale, and certainly trying to guess the identity and purpose of that figure could fill a couple of seasons. And just as a practical matter, having a omnipotent figure setting characters on their paths helps put a bandaid on some of the pussing, oozing plotholes over the years.

 

Yes, but I hope they do it better than Jacob and the Man in Black, which was so intriguing but then fell kind of flat.  I have little hope they can come up with a good retread of that concept.  I agree that the authorship of the book is very important.

[Hookian]

Yes, but I hope they do it better than Jacob and the Man in Black, which was so intriguing but then fell kind of flat.  I have little hope they can come up with a good retread of that concept.  I agree that the authorship of the book is very important.

Pretty sure the show has a good 3 or 4 seasons left especially with the new audience it's gonna garner.

[Serena]

Yeah I expected as much. Robin isn't the same person either and I'm glad he brought that up. Now it's only gonna be a matter of time before Marian realizes that Robin has changed and he's not the same person she fell in love with anymore. Ditto Robin to Marian but in the episode not even during the scene with Regina does Robin say he loves Marian. It's simply because he's a man of honor.

I hope you're right that it's only a matter of time. Hopefully Marian will wake up soon and realize that a man who would tell a mass murderer and the woman who imprisoned his wife that he loves her is not a man who's worthy of her. 

 

I can't believe how much they've fucked with Robin Hood's character. 

[Crimson Belle]

I hope you're right that it's only a matter of time. Hopefully Marian will wake up soon and realize that a man who would tell a mass murderer and the woman who imprisoned his wife that he loves her is not a man who's worthy of her. 

 

I can't believe how much they've fucked with Robin Hood's character. 

 

It explains the entire soulmates deal a lot better.  Robin is amoral, and Regina thrives off evil.  Robin is the male version of Belle.

[dassala]

That's an even crazier plan to get back at Regina.

 

This is Adam and Eddy we're talking about. ;p

 

They seem to eschew the timeline from time to time, so who knows? Regardless, Marian is a little bit off. I kept thinking that if Regina wanted to kill her to make a point to all of those villagers, she would have done it right in front of them. Why take her back and make her a prisoner just to burn her in private later?

 

I just can't imagine they would kill off Marian. That would start Robin's mourning process all over again. He'd look like a total asshat if his wife died (again) and then he went running into the arms of Regina a few days later. That's why I think she's evil.

 

I am also super curious about this hat. Will we see Yen Sid or is this just another role they're going to hang on Rumple? He is already Rumplestilskin, Peter Pan's son, Fairy Godmother, The Crocodile, The Beast, etc.

[stealinghome]

Ge'd look like a total asshat if his wife died (again) and then he went running into the arms of Regina a few days later. That's why I think she's evil.

Except Robin already looks like the biggest douche alive for not vomiting immediately when he found out his "bold and audacious" girlfriend *killed his wife* in the previous timeline and telling Regina to fuck off. Seriously, what kind of psychopath *literally* doesn't mention that and isn't even bothered by it? It tells you so much about the writing that it didn't even occur to them that Robin will look like less than pond scum for that.

Robin is so, so much worse than Belle at this point.

[Serena]

Robin is so, so much worse than Belle at this point.

Agreed. I can't believe they've managed to make Belle's behaviour look smart and understandable in comparison. At least she got a little bit pissed at him in a few episodes. Robin is literally a robot.

[Rumsy4]

Robin's "in love" with Regina. They dated for two days. It's not even remotely funny. With the line from Robin saying he had to honor his wedding vows about "until death", it's a given that Marian's going to die. As we have predicted, she will die giving her blessing. Gag-worthy.

Also, there seemed to be a hint that Robin himself has done some Dark stuff in the past. So, if he has been a serial murderer before he changed into a noble thief, that would explain everything. His insta-attraction to Regina, calling her bold & audacious, and not being revolted by the fact that he had been banging his wife's murderer.

[myril]

This is Adam and Eddy we're talking about. ;p

 

They seem to eschew the timeline from time to time, so who knows? Regardless, Marian is a little bit off. I kept thinking that if Regina wanted to kill her to make a point to all of those villagers, she would have done it right in front of them. Why take her back and make her a prisoner just to burn her in private later?

 

I just can't imagine they would kill off Marian. That would start Robin's mourning process all over again. He'd look like a total asshat if his wife died (again) and then he went running into the arms of Regina a few days later. That's why I think she's evil.

 

I am also super curious about this hat. Will we see Yen Sid or is this just another role they're going to hang on Rumple? He is already Rumplestilskin, Peter Pan's son, Fairy Godmother, The Crocodile, The Beast, etc.

 

Right, it's the master fan fic writers for Regina we're talking about, so they will find likely some way to get rid of Marian and still make Regina and Robin look good in their eyes, no matter how contrived.

 

Why take Marian prisoner and not kill her instantly in front of those villagers? Maybe as bait for Snow? Thinking of, that means it always has been Snow and not Regina who was responsible for Marian's death and Robin's suffering, because she didn't came running to safe Marian in the original timeline. Betrayed that poor family as she betrayed Regina. All good. And now Regina is even saving Marian's life. 

 

Why does Regina want to rewrite the book? She will only mess up her happy ending, that already is playing out for her.

Edited September 22, 2014 by katusch

[Joenigma]

 

I've read some things about Marian being Maleficent...maybe they're right?

 

Marian won't be Maleficent because that would cause too many issues in the timeline. That being said, what if Marian is actually Diablo, Maleficent's raven. While in the recent movie he was named Diaval, he had shape-shifting abilities and we see Maleficent with a black unicorn not a raven on Once. As for why Maleficent would send her raven to pose as Marian, it could be to find out the Knave's location as he stole her mirror.

[stealinghome]

Why take Marian prisoner and not kill her instantly in front of those villagers? Maybe as bait for Snow?

No, it's simply to make her execution a spectacle, and to get more people to watch it. That's Tyranny 101: you make someone's murder a publicized, public event to instill fear in your subjects.

[angelwoody]

What is the age group this show is targeting?  I mean, it's on at 8PM, so I would assume it is supposed to be OK for children and families but the twisted version of morality the writers are working into the stories is disturbing.  Villains are not supposed to get happy endings!  Good is supposed to TRIUMPH over Evil, not decide that  because Evil feels sorry for herself, had a mean mommy and bakes a mean lasagna she deserves a free pass for everything! 

Edited September 22, 2014 by angelwoody

[retrograde]

Here is another summary of the episode from someone who was at the premiere. This person appears to be less of a Regina fan, and their take on it definitely has Regina looking less like an empathetic victim. She also says that Emma straight up tells Regina she is not sorry for saving Marian's life when they're outside Granny's. So that's something.

[Serena]

I was just about to post that, because I started reading it and was feeling a bit better about the whole thing. 

They just showed a sneak peek of the CS scene we saw filmed here. 

[pezgirl7]

Ugh I'm annoyed that the person Emma and Henry were trying to call on their cellphone was... Regina. 
 
Also, this: 

LOOKS LIKE THEY CUT THE FLIRTY HOOK MOVING CLOSER SCENE

Of course they cut it. Here's another recap. This part sounds fun...

 

And I just remembered another really short part where Emma is thrown back by Elsa’s snow monster and lands on Killian. Like, chest to chest. Faces close to each other. Because he broke her fall. (YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW DIFFICULT IT IS NOT TO FANGIRL IN A THEATER.) I don’t think either of them acknowledged the awkward position at the moment though because they had to quickly get up and run for their lives.

 

[FurryFury]

Thank god Emma's not sorry for saving a life! Her character isn't completely destroyed... yet. But I'd so prefer it if her motivation for promising Regina her happy ending was fear for her loved ones, not misplaced guilt.

I'm also not that mad about Regina and the book... The book was bound to come up sooner or later, and although I'd prefer it if happened in a different way, I can live with it. As long as the story of its author isn't half-assed and full of retcons (not a chance, knowing Adam and Eddy).

Also, I specifically skipped any spoilers on Anna and Elsa. I want to have at least a sliver of hope there's something I could enjoy free of Regina's touch, otherwise my only reason to watch will be just to snark about it with you guys (whom am I kidding, it's already number 1 reason to watch).

[Serena]

Here's the video of the CS sneak peek

[Rumsy4]

Thanks for the link, Serena. Looks like they cut the flirty bits. I think it makes sense--it doesn't fit tonally here. At least Hook is calling Emma out on avoiding him. Nice look from mama Snow! haha

[Rumsy4]

I saw a couple of posts on tumblr connecting Yen Sid, the sorcerer from Fantasia with world-building (apparently he represented Walt Disney), Maleficent (one of Yen Sid's foes), and even Sidney Glass (because of the name). There was a suggestion that he could be the author of the storybook.

I think the last one is a good possibility. Maybe he is actually the Book--that's his Curse-form in Storybrooke. And if Regina manages to bring him back in her Quest to get rid of Marian, he could be back just in time to take his hat back from Rumple, defeat Maleficent, and be the Big Bad for S5. I'm glad we have this mystery to discuss beyond the OQ drama and Frozen.

[YaddaYadda]

Nice look from mama Snow!

 

Honestly, after watching 3x06, I think I pretty much jumped all over Snow for no reason regarding her reply to Emma after she tells her she kissed Hook.  She actually sort of smiled at that which is something I never really noticed.  I think it's whatever Emma said afterwards that prompted the whole Neal will understand thing.

[sharky]

Yea, I like that Hook calls her out. I think this is where the fast pace of the show may actually play a role -- Emma seems to be so tied up in the next crisis, the next villain, the next bond skipper, etc. that I truly don't think she totally knows how to settle down and enjoy life for a bit. I hope the writers can expand that with not only Hook but also Elsa if they go the friends route they've been talking about. After all, once this whole "crisis" is over with and people realize who Elsa really is, I think Emma should have at least a little bit of down time to breathe -- perhaps by episode 5 when we get an Emma-centric.

[retrograde]

Looks like they cut the flirty bits. I think it makes sense--it doesn't fit tonally here.

I'm not sure they "cut" them, per se -- the BTS photos of that scene were just rehearsal, so I'd guess that was added by the actors and the director told them to tone it down until the later scene.

[Serena]

I love Hook calling Emma out. It's one of my favourite parts of their relationship - he obviously thinks she hung the moon, but he can also recognize when she's reverting to bad habits and can be firm, but not condescending, in talking to her about it. He doesn't pretend she has zero flaws or turn her flaws into something else *cough*Robin*cough*, he sees her clearly (then again, Emma's flaw's are not mass murder...)

[Rumsy4]

I didn't feel like speculating whether it was originally in the script and acted but was cut, or actor improv, or simply in rehearsal. We tend to analyze things deeply here, but at the end of the day, that part was cut, no matter its origins. :-p

[patchwork]

I glad someone is finally going to look into the book mystery but ugh on it being Regina because she wants someone to write her a happy ending.

 

But now I think the people who speculated Marian got away before Regina executed her are going to be proven right. To the Show's lovely writers that would absolve Woegina of everything, making her worthy of Robin and her happy ending. Endorsed by Marian herself as she dies in their arms.  

[Rumsy4]

I agree, Serena. I bet Hook was particularly frustrated because she had let him in just the night before, but was now back to avoiding him. I think Emma gets so wrapped up in crisis-mode or with her own issues, that sometimes she doesn't think about how her actions affect people who care for her. Hopefully Emma gets some good development this season, and the friendship with Elsa will help her in that regard.

[NotBothered]

I didn't feel like speculating whether it was originally in the script and acted but was cut, or actor improv, or simply in rehearsal. We tend to analyze things deeply here, but at the end of the day, that part was cut, no matter its origins. :-p

It's the hug drama from last season, pt. 2.  I will just consider it CaptainSwan bonus pictures.

 

I'm happy we're getting to the book, but I've always hoped that that would be the final season mystery.  (Maybe it still will be?)  It has the potential to be a great, classic fairytale adventure where everyone gets to go on journey to find out something revelatory about themselves and their world.  I'll be really sad if it is resolved in two seconds as part of a B plot revlolving around Regina.

[YaddaYadda]

Meh, as far as I'm concerned, Robin and Regina deserve each other.  He's a flip flopping douche.  Can't really put too much into those recaps.  The first one I read said he tells her he loves her, then the others say nothing about that at all.  That's a pretty big thing to happen and not to be mentioned by anyone else. 

 

In any case, I know where my focus will be come Sunday.  The Charmings, CS and I'm starting to be mildly intrigued by the whole Frozen thing.

[sharky]

I wonder if the flirting we saw in that scene when they shot it in Vancouver was perhaps Colin playing that "get a life" line more flirtatious and they decided to go with the more serious. Remember these are the same actors that hugged in the middle of the street in Vancouver and we all freaked out -- and then it got cut. Forget the writers -- who are these editors that need to be fired?

 

Yadda -- I'm doing the same thing. Who cares about Regina doing whatever it is she is doing? Captain Swan! Frozen stuff! THERE'S GOING TO BE A BITCHIN' SNOW MONSTER!

Edited September 22, 2014 by sharky

[kili]

Also, there seemed to be a hint that Robin himself has done some Dark stuff in the past. So, if he has been a serial murderer before he changed into a noble thief, that would explain everything.

 

Maybe he's Jack the Ripper. That would explain how he thinks killing entire villages and so many people you can't remember individual deaths anymore is just being "bold and audacious". 

 

[Jack the Ripper is a real character, but he's been used in so many stories, we probably think more of the fictional portrayals than the real facts. I even read a YA book on the sinking of the Titanic and he was on there trying to kill people as the ship sank. Yikes!]

 

Why does Regina want to rewrite the book?

 

She shouldn't re-write, her quest should be to try to right what once she did wrong (Tm Quantum Leap). She can use the book as her source material since she seems to have forgotten most of her victims. That's a quest that Henry could get behind and I could applaud.

 

Besides, isn't re-writing the book kind of what Zelena wanted to do and we all know Zelena was evil...er...wicked for wanting to do that.

[Serena]

Maybe Jen and Colin just do it to fuck with us.
 

I'm happy we're getting to the book, but I've always hoped that that would be the final season mystery.  (Maybe it still will be?)  It has the potential to be a great, classic fairytale adventure where everyone gets to go on journey to find out something revelatory about themselves and their world.  I'll be really sad if it is resolved in two seconds as part of a B plot revlolving around Regina.

A&E said it was a season-long storyline, so I'm thinking/hoping it'll involve the rest of the cast, maybe in 4B. Snow needs a storyline, she can help them. Baby Snowflake can be the adventure's mascot, and they can get matching tshirts.

[KingOfHearts]

Is anyone else happy Regina didn't run to Robin to yell at him, or storm on Marian? (From what I can tell from the recap. Could be wrong.) I can kind of understand Regina wanting to "correct" the timeline at first, but it seems she changed her mind. I'm really not sure what she means by rewriting the book besides time travel. It seems she wants to add more to the story? I guess it all depends on what exactly the book does.

 

If she's just trying to change her destiny, then that's great. Can she is another question entirely. In order for that to happen, she'd have to drop her self-serving attitude. I didn't see that happen in the recap whatsoever, though. At least she didn't call herself a hero.

 

 

Thank god Emma's not sorry for saving a life! Her character isn't completely destroyed... yet. But I'd so prefer it if her motivation for promising Regina her happy ending was fear for her loved ones, not misplaced guilt.

This. It proves you can be nice without kissing up like Snow. Emma is so awesome. She knows how to be good better than her own mother. She gets all my brownie points.

Edited September 22, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[Hookian]

Better quality version of the sneak peek plus Colin's interview.

 

 

[pezgirl7]

This isn't really a spoiler, but I'm posting it here anyway. This is from ew.com:

 

Sheriff Graham would’ve appeared in the season finale, which featured Emma and Hook accidentally traveling back in time to the Enchanted Forest that was.
“We wanted a Peggy Sue Got Married moment,” Kitsis tells EW, explaining that Emma would’ve seen Graham when she was locked up in the Evil Queen’s castle.
“He would’ve been one of the guards because it would’ve been during that period,” adds Horowitz. “She would’ve seen him, and it would’ve been heartbreaking for her because she would’ve wanted to reach out to him, but knowing that—because she’s on a mission—she couldn’t. It wasn’t a big plot thing, but it was an emotional moment that we wanted to do.”

 

[Rumsy4]

Regina's first instinct on seeing Robin and Marian getting a happy ending in the book is wanting to change it, and making Sydney her slave again. Only in Regina's case would slavery be compatible with True Love and Light Magic. Why does her happiness mean more than other people's? Everyone including the writers and her victims seem to agree with that mind-boggling idea. If the book says Robin and Marian got a Happy Ending, is it stretching things? Because Robin is clearly not happy that his wife is back, and Marian is not going to be happy for long either.

I Love the idea of Robin being Jack the Ripper in the past. :-p Seriously thiugh, I do think he has a darker history which makes him sympathize with female Hitler. It's a good thing--that makes it so easy to dissociate him from the Robin Hood of legend.

Besides, Isn't editing the book like putting the cart before the horse? The book changes to reflect real life happenings & changes, not the other way about.

[Mathius]

Is anyone else happy Regina didn't run to Robin to yell at him, or storm on Marian? (From what I can tell from the recap. Could be wrong.) I can kind of understand Regina wanting to "correct" the timeline at first, but it seems she changed her mind. I'm really not sure what she means by rewriting the book besides time travel. It seems she wants to add more to the story? I guess it all depends on what exactly the book does.

Yeah, it sounds like she was planning on recasting Zelena's time spell and going back to kill Marian, but seeing the flashback in the mirror of when she captured Marian and Marian told her she's a monster because she has no love and family changed her mind. The book thing isn't time travel or even killing someone; it's trying to find who wrote it to see if they can change her fate and give her a happy ending, under the assumption that since the book magically contains all stories that happen, the person who wrote it has some form of power over the course of events.

The book changes to reflect real life happenings & changes, not the other way about.

But the person who wrote it must have had a kind of magic that could make that possible, so it isn't a stretch to think that perhaps they can make it the other way about it they so chose.

Edited September 22, 2014 by Mathius

[patchwork]

Yeah, it sounds like she was planning on recasting Zelena's time spell and going back to kill Marian, but seeing the flashback in the mirror of when she captured Marian and Marian told her she's a monster because she has no love and family changed her mind. The book thing isn't time travel or even killing someone; it's trying to find who wrote it to see if they can change her fate and give her a happy ending, under the assumption that since the book magically contains all stories that happen, the person who wrote it has some form of power over the course of events.

But the person who wrote it must have had a kind of magic that could make that possible, so it isn't a stretch to think that perhaps they can make it the other way about it they so chose.

 

The phrase 'change her fate' makes me think about the witch in Brave. I quite like the idea of Regina going on a Merida type adventure but I really doubt the show could pull their heads out of Regina's backside long enough to make it work. 

The witch being the creator/maintainer of the book could work though, she could even be one of the rare magic users of this world. 

 

The summery I read was unclear about what was going on with Sidney but I'm not liking the sound of it.  

[Serena]

The book thing makes no sense to me. Didn't we see in the finale that the books reflects what goes on? When CS change the past, the book changes too. It looks like it's simply a chronicle of what actually happened, not something that determines fate.

 

It's also annoying to me that Regina was swearing up and down for all of season 3 that Henry was her happy ending, and now that she has Henry she's changed her mind, apparently.

Edited September 22, 2014 by Serena

[Crimson Belle]

I tend to think the book is from the future somehow, and that Henry himself is the writer.