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5 hours ago, RedVitC said:

Edit: In general I'm hoping for some more interviews. Obviously we had lots of interviews with Danielle last week, but in general it feels like there have been less interviews this year (though probably If I go back to search I'll find that it's been roughly the same amount, lol). A sizzle reel would be nice at least. Have any of the other arrowverse shows had a sizzle reel yet (I think Legends did have a trailer that covered more than one episode)?

I feel like if they haven't done a sizzle reel by now (they should have put one out before the show came back from hiatus), there isn't going to be one. Which is stupid.

Legends did have an extended trailer, but it was coming back after months off the air.

I've been wanting some interviews too. The PR this year has been lacking. I'm hoping that at least around finale time we get an interview with Eric Wallace about the direction for next season.

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Another dumb thing about putting Barry/Flash in the Snow A-plot is that they're probably not going to let him save the day anyway, it'll be Caitlin/Killer Frost (or her mom?); so what's the point?

Going to keep my expectations low and try and enjoy the West-Allens angst.

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I can't believe they had Iris be completely right about how wrong Barry was to unilaterally decide to dump Nora in the future while also being completely wrong about how working with Thawne is apparently barely worth more than a raised eyebrow.  Does she not remember that Eddie killed himself to stop him from murdering everyone?  Did the Legends not mention how he tried to rewrite the entire world?  This is a big deal!

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2 hours ago, Starry said:

Nora accessing the Negative Speed Force means that the Girl With the Red Lightning title is about her? Red lightning like Reverse Flash's.

I (and many others) were thinking it might be a new character, but this seems more likely with what we know now.

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1 hour ago, cambridgeguy said:

I can't believe they had Iris be completely right about how wrong Barry was to unilaterally decide to dump Nora in the future while also being completely wrong about how working with Thawne is apparently barely worth more than a raised eyebrow.  Does she not remember that Eddie killed himself to stop him from murdering everyone?  Did the Legends not mention how he tried to rewrite the entire world?  This is a big deal!

They didn't even have Iris bring up Eddie to Nora back in 5x7. I forgot the conversation exactly, but I know she brought up Caitlin losing Ronnie. Like Iris didn't lose her fiance that same day.

I think the writers don't care about Eddie or possibly forgot about him.

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Nora, with her dark lipstick of EVIL joins a girl gang next week:

After two episodes where he was either background or absent, Cisco's back but he's kidnapped. Great. Spin some gold for me, Carlos!

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9 hours ago, Starry said:

Nora accessing the Negative Speed Force means that the Girl With the Red Lightning title is about her? Red lightning like Reverse Flash's.

Welp. She's now the daughter he never had.

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With the title for 5.21, I wonder if they're really going to have Nora be 'evil' for two whole episodes before the finale. The pacing this season has been ridiculous.

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3 minutes ago, Trini said:

With the title for 5.21, I wonder if they're really going to have Nora be 'evil' for two whole episodes before the finale. The pacing this season has been ridiculous.

I am not sure. There are photos of Barry and Nora fighting Grace in 5.21 so she must be on the side of good by then.

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2 hours ago, Trini said:

With the title for 5.21, I wonder if they're really going to have Nora be 'evil' for two whole episodes before the finale. The pacing this season has been ridiculous.

Yep. And it'll all be fixed with Barry having to apologize to "poor hurt Nora", my bet.

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PRE-FINALE: Showrunner Todd Helbing says there is “a lot” to get done in Season 5’s final three episodes, starting on April 30 when “this new thing pops up with Cicada II that I don’t think people will see coming.” Nora, meanwhile — literally and morally singed from her dash into the Negative Speed Force — will run with rogues Weather Witch, Rag Doll and Bug-Eyed Bandit. “I don’t know if I’d say she fully ‘broke bad,’ but teaming with these criminals falls in line with where she’s at emotionally,” says the EP. On May 7, viewers will get “a lot of explanations” about Cicada II, Young Grace, and Thawne (“You will see if he’s being truthful or not”), while Cisco makes a “bold decision” that will “come to a head in the finale,” Helbing shares.

SEASON FINALE (May 14): Following a showdown with Cicada II (at the very least), Helbing says “there is something we do at the end of the finale” that speaks to the timetable for Iris actually getting pregnant. And while viewers will bid adieu to at least two characters, might one of them not be Nora? “There are a couple of scenarios where you could see Jessica Parker Kennedy come back…,” says the EP. “There are many, actually.”

https://tvline.com/gallery/may-sweeps-spoilers-2019-finale-episodes-photos/#!10/godspeed-6/

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Showrunner Todd Helbing says there is “a lot” to get done in Season 5’s final three episodes, starting on April 30 when “this new thing pops up with Cicada II that I don’t think people will see coming.”

...Unless you read the synopses. This is about the metahuman-killing virus, pretty sure.

Also with "a lot" to do, it looks like we're not not getting the annual pre-finale breather/lighter/filler episode. Disappointing.
 

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On May 7, viewers will get “a lot of explanations” about Cicada II, Young Grace, and Thawne (“You will see if he’s being truthful or not”), while Cisco makes a “bold decision” that will “come to a head in the finale,” Helbing shares.

I always assume Thawne is a liar and only uses the truth if it helps him or hurts Barry. But truthful about what exactly?

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Following a showdown with Cicada II (at the very least), Helbing says “there is something we do at the end of the finale” that speaks to the timetable for Iris actually getting pregnant.

I hope it's NOT soon (next season); they clearly aren't interested in babies. We've only seen Jenna once - if there was a second time, it must not have been memorable.

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And while viewers will bid adieu to at least two characters, ...

I think Nora and Sherloque are a given; but if there's anyone else, it better not be Cisco or Joe. (Barry & Iris are obviously safe.) Anyone else can go.

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I agree that Nora and Sherloque are the obvious two departures. I don't think anyone else is going for now. I think that something weird bts was going on with Carlos this season so who knows what happens next season at the crisis. 

I can't believe that they dedicated so much story and screen time to Nora, a character that would be gone at the end of the season. This is what happens when the writers' room becomes an echo chamber, bad ideas seem like good ones because everyone is either agrees to keep their job or because of group think.

I still think that Grace and Thawne must have a connection. Maybe Thawne really didn't know Cicada's identity, but the real reason he wants to stop Cicada is because it must help him escape somehow.

Moving the crisis forward will delay Iris' pregnancy for a couple years which is why this version of Nora will be erased from existence causing Barry and Iris to eventually have their twins. Originally, I was disappointed when I realized that Iris wouldn't be pregnant any time soon, but after this disastrous Nora story, I am freaking relieved. At least, this means when Nora has future guest stints, she should have less daddy issues, act like an adult, and not behavior like a petulant teenager.

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Interesting. That actually makes me think that they're moving up the pregnancy, since originally I don't think Iris would have gotten pregnant until around 2021, making Nora about 2-3 years old when Barry disappeared depending on when exactly Iris got pregnant (Nora said she was born a few years before Barry disappeared).

I don't see why they would go oh instead of 2021 Iris will get pregnant in 2023 since for us it wouldn't really make any immediate difference since it wouldn't have been until season 7 or 8 originally anyway. Mind you, I'm not saying I necessarily want Iris to be pregnant sooner (or that I'm against it for that matter), but that's what the way this is phrased as well as them actually talking about actual pregnancy now makes me think.

But as always, who knows. We'll find out what he means soon enough.

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18 hours ago, SimoneS said:

I still think that Grace and Thawne must have a connection. Maybe Thawne really didn't know Cicada's identity, but the real reason he wants to stop Cicada is because it must help him escape somehow.

I think there must be a connection between them too; but so far the show hasn't given any clues support that idea. They still haven't answered the question of how Grace even knew about time travel, and the time sphere.

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I've gone back and forth, but right now I think Iris' pregnancy will be delayed. (At the very least, Nora(and her brother??) won't be born before the Crisis.) But yeah, the fact that Helbing is talking about it is something to consider....

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6 hours ago, Trini said:

I've gone back and forth, but right now I think Iris' pregnancy will be delayed. (At the very least, Nora(and her brother??) won't be born before the Crisis.) But yeah, the fact that Helbing is talking about it is something to consider....

You have been saying that they have no use for babies. By moving the crisis forward to 2019, they took the pressure off Iris having to be pregnant in the next two or so years . Now they can wait until the final season for her to get pregnant. 

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Yeah, I don't think Nora (and hopefully her  brother) will be born before crisis.

I guess I just think there's no dramatic storytelling juice to be gained from spending time going : instead of in 3 years, Iris will get pregnant in 5 years. Because it doesn't change much for the audience.

Whether he does or not, they're still going to be acting like Barry will disappear during crisis (they're not going to reveal that until the actual crossover). So if they're going to reveal a change it can either be:

1. that they find out Iris is pregnant earlier (she could find out before, during or shortly after crisis) because the date of crisis has changed,

or 2. that Iris and Barry don't have children at all because crisis has moved up. Because if they say Barry and Iris have children 2/3/4 years after crisis that would mean they're giving away that Barry doesn't actually disappear during crisis

I don't think it's the second option (and I would really dislike it) since Helbing mentions the timetable for actual pregnancy so it is a pregnancy we're talking about.

This is all assuming of course that crisis will take place in 2019 now. If they go with a 5 year time jump that opens up more options. And now that I think about it, this is also assuming he means that something changes. For all we know he could just be saying that they're going to indicate when it happens,not change when it happens. But that would only work if there is a 5 year time jump, because again, if crisis is in 2019 and they want to sell the 'Barry will really disappear' they won't reveal that Barry and Iris conceive children in 2021/2022.

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5 hours ago, RedVitC said:

or 2. that Iris and Barry don't have children at all because crisis has moved up. Because if they say Barry and Iris have children 2/3/4 years after crisis that would mean they're giving away that Barry doesn't actually disappear during crisis

Well, since they moved up Crisis so that Arrow can be a part of it before it ends, I don't think Barry will disappear - the show still has a few seasons left it. And I guess that's could be showing their hand; However, I think they might still do the story of Barry disappearing, but a different Crisis. (Yes, silly, but par for the course.)

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2 minutes ago, Trini said:

Well, since they moved up Crisis so that Arrow can be a part of it before it ends, I don't think Barry will disappear - the show still has a few seasons left it. And I guess that's could be showing their hand; However, I think they might still do the story of Barry disappearing, but a different Crisis. (Yes, silly, but par for the course.)

I hope not. We already had to endure Barry heading into the Speed Force. 

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25 minutes ago, BeautifulFlower said:

I'm sick of seeing some people say how Barry should've consulted with the team on sending Nora back.

The team are not Nora's parents. They don't get a say in family matters.

Yeah, I think he should have spoken privately with Iris and presented a unified front with her, but nobody needed Sherlock's or Ralph's or Caitlin's opinion.

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On 4/25/2019 at 3:22 AM, SimoneS said:

I can't believe that they dedicated so much story and screen time to Nora, a character that would be gone at the end of the season. This is what happens when the writers' room becomes an echo chamber, bad ideas seem like good ones because everyone is either agrees to keep their job or because of group think.

What scares me is how they will handle Bart Allen. If Bart's story is another carbon of Ralph's and Nora's, I may quit the show. We know Bart's hero name is Impulse. That pretty much says he'll be a lot like Nora, and I don't want to watch another retread of a young hero never learning from mistakes and destroying the time line. Ugh!!!!!!!

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8 minutes ago, adora721 said:

What scares me is how they will handle Bart Allen. If Bart's story is another carbon of Ralph's and Nora's, I may quit the show. We know Bart's hero name is Impulse. That pretty much says he'll be a lot like Nora, and I don't want to watch another retread of a young hero never learning from mistakes and destroying the time line. Ugh!!!!!!!

I figured that Nora's story was their twist on Bart Allen's comic book one. I can't believe that they will bring his character to the show after Nora.

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On 4/26/2019 at 7:04 PM, SimoneS said:

I figured that Nora's story was their twist on Bart Allen's comic book one. I can't believe that they will bring his character to the show after Nora.

I think Nora is their take on Bart Allen, too; but I can also see that if the show lasts long enough, they'd still bring in Bart. Maybe not in as big a role as Nora this season. And he'd probably actually be a kid, instead of an adult acting like one.
 

1 hour ago, RedVitC said:

For some reason I think that they might introduce Bart as Nora's twin, Barry and Iris'  son instead of Barry and Iris' grandson (if Nora ends of up having a twin ofc etc etc).

I hope not! They could of course, but I'm guessing that TPTB like Bart/Impulse more than they like Dawn and Don, so they might not mess with that... much.

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36 minutes ago, Trini said:

LOL! The episode still had problems, but they exceeded my low expectations.

My problems had to do with the Icicle plot. It felt rushed like 5x06.

Unless I miss something, why did Icicle want an ice family? Why all of a sudden?

2 hours ago, RedVitC said:

For some reason I think that they might introduce Bart as Nora's twin, Barry and Iris'  son instead of Barry and Iris' grandson (if Nora ends of up having a twin ofc etc etc).

Yeah, I can see them doing this. I would like if Bart stays as their grandson.

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Saw this pointed out elsewhere: a reason why Eobard might be interested in Nora is because Bart is also a Thawne descendant in the comics. Don't know if they'll stick with that since Eddie died without children on the show, but it's possible they'll reference that story.

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9 hours ago, Trini said:

Saw this pointed out elsewhere: a reason why Eobard might be interested in Nora is because Bart is also a Thawne descendant in the comics. Don't know if they'll stick with that since Eddie died without children on the show, but it's possible they'll reference that story.

What does Eddie have to do with it? I never got this. Are there no other Thawne's in his family? Why does he directly have to affect the rest existence? Also, the writers really must've forgot about this man. Or they really hate him because his sacrifice was for nothing.

Who's to say Flashpoint didn't change anything around?

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17 hours ago, Trini said:

Saw this pointed out elsewhere: a reason why Eobard might be interested in Nora is because Bart is also a Thawne descendant in the comics.

I was actually thinking about this the other day. How (despite me being one of the people that mostly enjoys Nora's storyline on the show) it's kind of a missed opportunity to not have made her Barry and Iris' granddaughter instead of their daughter and have the other side of Nora's family be the Thawnes (if they didn't want to save that story for Bart). They could have used that to as an excuse for why she went to see Eobard as he would be a distant relative and it would have tied in with the whole family theme they have going on this season.

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11 hours ago, BeautifulFlower said:

What does Eddie have to do with it? I never got this. Are there no other Thawne's in his family? Why does he directly have to affect the rest existence?

They could use some other unknown Thawne, but I think it would be a missed opportunity to not have a direct connection to Eobard's family line.

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Gregory Smith directed the episode with story by Lauren Certo and teleplay by Todd Helbing & Eric Wallace

The last episode G. Smith directed for the show was "Enter Flashtime".

Certo is good; her episodes usually have a nice moment (or more) for Barry & Iris. The episodes she's credited with for Season 5 are "News Flash", "What's Past Is Prologue" (with Helbing), and "King Shark Vs. Gorilla Grodd" (with Wallace). And of course Wallace and Helbing are the showrunners.

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Barry (Grant Gustin) faces off with his oldest, and most formidable nemesis, Reverse Flash (Tom Cavanagh).

Please tell this means that Gracada/Cicada II is defeated/gone by the end of 5.21, or the beginning of the finale.

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I don't know if Reverse Flash is going to be a main villain again in Season 6, but I wish they had spent more time with him this season. They could have gotten rid of Sherloque earlier, built up RF as a growing threat, defeat both Cicadas earlier, and then have an escaped RF as the main threat for the rest of the season.

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9 minutes ago, Trini said:

Please tell this means that Gracada/Cicada II is defeated/gone by the end of 5.21, or the beginning of the finale.

I think Grace is defeated by the end of episode 21 because there were no shots of her filming on location in episode 22. I have been getting my predictions about shows wrong a lot lately, but I think that stopping or killing her might be how Thawne escapes. What I don't understand is why Thawne goes back to Barry's time, instead of running for the hills.

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4 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

One of the Flash YouTuber thinks that Carlos will be leaving since he didn't do much this season. Any update on Carlos' status?

No update. You have people reporting that he said he is returning. 

I'm waiting until the finale to see what happens.

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3 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

One of the Flash YouTuber thinks that Carlos will be leaving since he didn't do much this season. Any update on Carlos' status?

I don't think we're going to learn about any cast changes until after the finale.

If not having much to do was an indicator of who is leaving, there would have been so many people gone from the show by now.

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13 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

 I have been getting my predictions about shows wrong a lot lately, but I think that stopping or killing her might be how Thawne escapes.

It would be odd for them to not connect the two villains somehow. But even if they don't connect them directly, I'm also thinking that somehow Thawne manipulated Nora into unknowingly doing something that lets him escape.

15 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

What I don't understand is why Thawne goes back to Barry's time, instead of running for the hills.

He is petty. There will probably be another reason, but just rubbing it in Barry's face would be reason enough!

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